What your designs say about you
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0:00 - 0:03We are today talking
about moral persuasion: -
0:03 - 0:07What is moral and immoral
in trying to change people's behaviors -
0:07 - 0:09by using technology and using design?
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0:09 - 0:11And I don't know what you expect,
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0:11 - 0:13but when I was thinking about that issue,
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0:13 - 0:17I early on realized what I'm not able
to give you are answers. -
0:18 - 0:21I'm not able to tell you
what is moral or immoral, -
0:21 - 0:23because we're living
in a pluralist society. -
0:23 - 0:28My values can be radically
different from your values, -
0:28 - 0:31which means that what I consider
moral or immoral based on that -
0:31 - 0:34might not necessarily be
what you consider moral or immoral. -
0:35 - 0:38But I also realized
there is one thing that I could give you, -
0:38 - 0:41and that is what this guy
behind me gave the world -- -
0:41 - 0:42Socrates.
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0:42 - 0:43It is questions.
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0:43 - 0:46What I can do and what
I would like to do with you -
0:46 - 0:48is give you, like that initial question,
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0:48 - 0:51a set of questions
to figure out for yourselves, -
0:51 - 0:55layer by layer, like peeling an onion,
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0:55 - 1:00getting at the core of what you believe
is moral or immoral persuasion. -
1:00 - 1:04And I'd like to do that
with a couple of examples of technologies -
1:04 - 1:09where people have used game elements
to get people to do things. -
1:10 - 1:13So it's at first a very simple,
very obvious question -
1:13 - 1:14I would like to give you:
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1:14 - 1:17What are your intentions
if you are designing something? -
1:17 - 1:21And obviously, intentions
are not the only thing, -
1:21 - 1:24so here is another example
for one of these applications. -
1:24 - 1:27There are a couple of these kinds
of Eco dashboards right now -- -
1:27 - 1:29dashboards built into cars --
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1:29 - 1:31which try to motivate you
to drive more fuel-efficiently. -
1:31 - 1:33This here is Nissan's MyLeaf,
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1:33 - 1:36where your driving behavior
is compared with the driving behavior -
1:36 - 1:37of other people,
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1:38 - 1:41so you can compete for who drives a route
the most fuel-efficiently. -
1:41 - 1:43And these things are
very effective, it turns out -- -
1:43 - 1:47so effective that they motivate people
to engage in unsafe driving behaviors, -
1:47 - 1:49like not stopping at a red light,
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1:49 - 1:52because that way you have
to stop and restart the engine, -
1:52 - 1:55and that would use quite
some fuel, wouldn't it? -
1:55 - 1:59So despite this being
a very well-intended application, -
2:00 - 2:02obviously there was a side effect of that.
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2:02 - 2:04Here's another example
for one of these side effects. -
2:04 - 2:09Commendable: a site that allows parents
to give their kids little badges -
2:09 - 2:12for doing the things
that parents want their kids to do, -
2:12 - 2:13like tying their shoes.
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2:13 - 2:16And at first that sounds very nice,
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2:16 - 2:18very benign, well-intended.
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2:18 - 2:22But it turns out, if you look into
research on people's mindset, -
2:22 - 2:23caring about outcomes,
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2:23 - 2:25caring about public recognition,
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2:25 - 2:29caring about these kinds
of public tokens of recognition -
2:29 - 2:31is not necessarily very helpful
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2:31 - 2:33for your long-term
psychological well-being. -
2:33 - 2:36It's better if you care
about learning something. -
2:36 - 2:38It's better when you care about yourself
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2:38 - 2:40than how you appear
in front of other people. -
2:41 - 2:46So that kind of motivational tool
that is used actually, in and of itself, -
2:46 - 2:48has a long-term side effect,
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2:48 - 2:50in that every time we use a technology
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2:50 - 2:53that uses something
like public recognition or status, -
2:53 - 2:55we're actually positively endorsing this
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2:55 - 2:59as a good and normal thing
to care about -- -
2:59 - 3:01that way, possibly having
a detrimental effect -
3:02 - 3:05on the long-term psychological
well-being of ourselves as a culture. -
3:05 - 3:08So that's a second, very obvious question:
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3:08 - 3:10What are the effects
of what you're doing -- -
3:10 - 3:15the effects you're having
with the device, like less fuel, -
3:15 - 3:17as well as the effects
of the actual tools you're using -
3:17 - 3:19to get people to do things --
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3:19 - 3:21public recognition?
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3:21 - 3:23Now is that all -- intention, effect?
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3:24 - 3:27Well, there are some technologies
which obviously combine both. -
3:27 - 3:29Both good long-term and short-term effects
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3:29 - 3:32and a positive intention
like Fred Stutzman's "Freedom," -
3:32 - 3:35where the whole point
of that application is -- -
3:35 - 3:38well, we're usually so bombarded
with constant requests by other people, -
3:38 - 3:39with this device,
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3:39 - 3:43you can shut off the Internet
connectivity of your PC of choice -
3:43 - 3:44for a pre-set amount of time,
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3:44 - 3:46to actually get some work done.
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3:46 - 3:50And I think most of us will agree
that's something well-intended, -
3:50 - 3:52and also has good consequences.
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3:52 - 3:54In the words of Michel Foucault,
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3:54 - 3:55it is a "technology of the self."
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3:55 - 3:58It is a technology
that empowers the individual -
3:58 - 4:00to determine its own life course,
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4:00 - 4:02to shape itself.
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4:02 - 4:05But the problem is,
as Foucault points out, -
4:05 - 4:07that every technology of the self
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4:07 - 4:10has a technology of domination
as its flip side. -
4:10 - 4:15As you see in today's modern
liberal democracies, -
4:15 - 4:20the society, the state,
not only allows us to determine our self, -
4:20 - 4:21to shape our self,
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4:21 - 4:23it also demands it of us.
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4:23 - 4:25It demands that we optimize ourselves,
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4:25 - 4:27that we control ourselves,
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4:27 - 4:30that we self-manage continuously,
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4:30 - 4:33because that's the only way
in which such a liberal society works. -
4:33 - 4:38These technologies want us
to stay in the game -
4:38 - 4:41that society has devised for us.
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4:41 - 4:43They want us to fit in even better.
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4:43 - 4:45They want us to optimize
ourselves to fit in. -
4:46 - 4:49Now, I don't say that
is necessarily a bad thing; -
4:50 - 4:54I just think that this example
points us to a general realization, -
4:54 - 4:58and that is: no matter what technology
or design you look at, -
4:58 - 5:01even something we consider
as well-intended -
5:01 - 5:04and as good in its effects
as Stutzman's Freedom, -
5:04 - 5:07comes with certain values embedded in it.
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5:07 - 5:09And we can question these values.
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5:09 - 5:11We can question: Is it a good thing
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5:11 - 5:14that all of us continuously
self-optimize ourselves -
5:14 - 5:16to fit better into that society?
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5:16 - 5:18Or to give you another example:
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5:18 - 5:20What about a piece
of persuasive technology -
5:20 - 5:24that convinces Muslim women
to wear their headscarves? -
5:24 - 5:26Is that a good or a bad technology
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5:26 - 5:28in its intentions or in its effects?
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5:28 - 5:33Well, that basically depends on
the kind of values you bring to bear -
5:33 - 5:35to make these kinds of judgments.
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5:35 - 5:36So that's a third question:
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5:36 - 5:38What values do you use to judge?
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5:39 - 5:40And speaking of values:
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5:40 - 5:43I've noticed that in the discussion
about moral persuasion online -
5:43 - 5:45and when I'm talking with people,
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5:45 - 5:48more often than not,
there is a weird bias. -
5:48 - 5:51And that bias is that we're asking:
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5:51 - 5:54Is this or that "still" ethical?
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5:54 - 5:57Is it "still" permissible?
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5:57 - 5:58We're asking things like:
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5:58 - 6:00Is this Oxfam donation form,
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6:00 - 6:03where the regular monthly
donation is the preset default, -
6:03 - 6:05and people, maybe without intending it,
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6:05 - 6:09are encouraged or nudged
into giving a regular donation -
6:09 - 6:11instead of a one-time donation,
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6:11 - 6:12is that "still' permissible?
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6:12 - 6:13Is it "still" ethical?
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6:13 - 6:15We're fishing at the low end.
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6:16 - 6:18But in fact, that question,
"Is it 'still' ethical?" -
6:18 - 6:20is just one way of looking at ethics.
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6:20 - 6:25Because if you look at the beginning
of ethics in Western culture, -
6:25 - 6:28you see a very different idea
of what ethics also could be. -
6:29 - 6:33For Aristotle, ethics
was not about the question, -
6:33 - 6:35"Is that still good, or is it bad?"
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6:35 - 6:38Ethics was about the question
of how to live life well. -
6:39 - 6:41And he put that in the word "arête,"
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6:41 - 6:44which we, from [Ancient Greek],
translate as "virtue." -
6:44 - 6:46But really, it means "excellence."
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6:46 - 6:51It means living up to your own
full potential as a human being. -
6:52 - 6:53And that is an idea that, I think,
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6:53 - 6:56Paul Richard Buchanan
put nicely in a recent essay, -
6:56 - 6:58where he said,
"Products are vivid arguments -
6:58 - 7:00about how we should live our lives."
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7:01 - 7:03Our designs are not ethical or unethical
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7:03 - 7:08in that they're using ethical
or unethical means of persuading us. -
7:08 - 7:10They have a moral component
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7:10 - 7:14just in the kind of vision
and the aspiration of the good life -
7:14 - 7:16that they present to us.
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7:16 - 7:20And if you look into the designed
environment around us -
7:20 - 7:21with that kind of lens,
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7:21 - 7:23asking, "What is the vision
of the good life -
7:23 - 7:26that our products, our design,
present to us?", -
7:26 - 7:28then you often get the shivers,
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7:28 - 7:31because of how little
we expect of each other, -
7:31 - 7:35of how little we actually
seem to expect of our life, -
7:35 - 7:37and what the good life looks like.
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7:38 - 7:41So that's a fourth question
I'd like to leave you with: -
7:41 - 7:45What vision of the good life
do your designs convey? -
7:46 - 7:47And speaking of design,
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7:47 - 7:52you'll notice that I already
broadened the discussion, -
7:52 - 7:56because it's not just persuasive
technology that we're talking about here, -
7:56 - 8:00it's any piece of design
that we put out here in the world. -
8:00 - 8:02I don't know whether you know
-
8:02 - 8:05the great communication researcher
Paul Watzlawick who, back in the '60s, -
8:05 - 8:08made the argument
that we cannot not communicate. -
8:08 - 8:10Even if we choose to be silent,
we chose to be silent, -
8:10 - 8:13and we're communicating something
by choosing to be silent. -
8:13 - 8:16And in the same way
that we cannot not communicate, -
8:16 - 8:18we cannot not persuade:
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8:18 - 8:20whatever we do or refrain from doing,
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8:20 - 8:24whatever we put out there
as a piece of design, into the world, -
8:24 - 8:26has a persuasive component.
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8:26 - 8:28It tries to affect people.
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8:28 - 8:32It puts a certain vision of the good life
out there in front of us, -
8:32 - 8:33which is what Peter-Paul Verbeek,
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8:33 - 8:36the Dutch philosopher of technology, says.
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8:36 - 8:40No matter whether we as designers
intend it or not, -
8:40 - 8:42we materialize morality.
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8:42 - 8:45We make certain things
harder and easier to do. -
8:45 - 8:47We organize the existence of people.
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8:47 - 8:49We put a certain vision
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8:49 - 8:52of what good or bad or normal or usual is
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8:52 - 8:53in front of people,
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8:53 - 8:56by everything we put
out there in the world. -
8:56 - 8:59Even something as innocuous
as a set of school chairs -
8:59 - 9:01is a persuasive technology,
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9:01 - 9:06because it presents and materializes
a certain vision of the good life -- -
9:06 - 9:09a good life in which teaching
and learning and listening -
9:09 - 9:12is about one person teaching,
the others listening; -
9:12 - 9:16in which it is about
learning-is-done-while-sitting; -
9:16 - 9:18in which you learn for yourself;
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9:18 - 9:20in which you're not supposed
to change these rules, -
9:20 - 9:22because the chairs
are fixed to the ground. -
9:24 - 9:27And even something as innocuous
as a single-design chair, -
9:27 - 9:28like this one by Arne Jacobsen,
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9:28 - 9:30is a persuasive technology,
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9:30 - 9:33because, again, it communicates
an idea of the good life: -
9:33 - 9:38a good life -- a life that you,
as a designer, consent to by saying, -
9:38 - 9:42"In a good life, goods are produced
as sustainably or unsustainably -
9:42 - 9:44as this chair.
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9:44 - 9:46Workers are treated as well or as badly
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9:46 - 9:48as the workers were treated
that built that chair." -
9:49 - 9:51The good life is a life
where design is important -
9:51 - 9:54because somebody obviously took
the time and spent the money -
9:54 - 9:56for that kind of well-designed chair;
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9:56 - 9:57where tradition is important,
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9:57 - 10:00because this is a traditional classic
and someone cared about this; -
10:00 - 10:03and where there is something
as conspicuous consumption, -
10:03 - 10:06where it is OK and normal to spend
a humongous amount of money -
10:06 - 10:07on such a chair,
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10:07 - 10:10to signal to other people
what your social status is. -
10:10 - 10:13So these are the kinds of layers,
the kinds of questions -
10:13 - 10:15I wanted to lead you through today;
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10:15 - 10:18the question of: What are the intentions
that you bring to bear -
10:18 - 10:20when you're designing something?
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10:20 - 10:23What are the effects, intended
and unintended, that you're having? -
10:23 - 10:26What are the values
you're using to judge those? -
10:26 - 10:28What are the virtues, the aspirations
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10:28 - 10:30that you're actually expressing in that?
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10:30 - 10:32And how does that apply,
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10:32 - 10:34not just to persuasive technology,
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10:34 - 10:36but to everything you design?
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10:37 - 10:38Do we stop there?
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10:39 - 10:40I don't think so.
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10:40 - 10:44I think that all of these things
are eventually informed -
10:44 - 10:46by the core of all of this,
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10:46 - 10:49and this is nothing but life itself.
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10:49 - 10:52Why, when the question
of what the good life is -
10:52 - 10:54informs everything that we design,
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10:54 - 10:57should we stop at design
and not ask ourselves: -
10:57 - 10:59How does it apply to our own life?
-
11:00 - 11:02"Why should the lamp
or the house be an art object, -
11:02 - 11:04but not our life?"
-
11:04 - 11:05as Michel Foucault puts it.
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11:05 - 11:09Just to give you a practical
example of Buster Benson. -
11:09 - 11:11This is Buster setting up
a pull-up machine -
11:11 - 11:14at the office of his new
start-up, Habit Labs, -
11:14 - 11:17where they're trying to build
other applications like "Health Month" -
11:17 - 11:18for people.
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11:18 - 11:20And why is he building a thing like this?
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11:20 - 11:22Well, here is the set of axioms
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11:22 - 11:26that Habit Labs, Buster's start-up,
put up for themselves -
11:26 - 11:29on how they wanted to work
together as a team -
11:29 - 11:31when they're building
these applications -- -
11:31 - 11:33a set of moral principles
they set themselves -
11:33 - 11:34for working together --
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11:34 - 11:35one of them being,
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11:36 - 11:39"We take care of our own health
and manage our own burnout." -
11:39 - 11:42Because ultimately,
how can you ask yourselves -
11:42 - 11:46and how can you find an answer
on what vision of the good life -
11:46 - 11:50you want to convey and create
with your designs -
11:50 - 11:51without asking the question:
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11:51 - 11:55What vision of the good life
do you yourself want to live? -
11:56 - 11:57And with that,
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11:58 - 11:59I thank you.
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11:59 - 12:03(Applause)
- Title:
- What your designs say about you
- Speaker:
- Sebastian Deterding
- Description:
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What does your chair say about what you value? Designer Sebastian Deterding shows how our visions of morality and what the good life is are reflected in the design of objects around us.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 12:23
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The English transcript was updated on 10/17/2016.