This deep-sea mystery is changing our understanding of life
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0:01 - 0:05I'm an ocean microbiologist
at the University of Tennessee, -
0:05 - 0:07and I want to tell you guys
about some microbes -
0:07 - 0:10that are so strange and wonderful
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0:10 - 0:14that they're challenging our assumptions
about what life is like on Earth. -
0:14 - 0:16So I have a question.
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0:16 - 0:19Please raise your hand
if you've ever thought it would be cool -
0:19 - 0:21to go to the bottom
of the ocean in a submarine? -
0:22 - 0:24Yes.
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0:24 - 0:26Most of you, because
the oceans are so cool. -
0:26 - 0:28Alright, now -- please raise your hand
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0:28 - 0:32if the reason you raised your hand
to go to the bottom of the ocean -
0:32 - 0:34is because it would get you
a little bit closer -
0:35 - 0:37to that exciting mud that's down there.
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0:37 - 0:38(Laughter)
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0:38 - 0:40Nobody.
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0:40 - 0:41I'm the only one in this room.
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0:41 - 0:43Well, I think about this all the time.
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0:43 - 0:46I spend most of my waking hours
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0:46 - 0:49trying to determine
how deep we can go into the Earth -
0:50 - 0:53and still find something,
anything, that's alive, -
0:53 - 0:56because we still don't know
the answer to this very basic question -
0:56 - 0:58about life on Earth.
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0:58 - 1:01So in the 1980s, a scientist
named John Parkes, in the UK, -
1:01 - 1:03was similarly obsessed,
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1:03 - 1:06and he came up with a crazy idea.
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1:06 - 1:11He believed that there was a vast,
deep, and living microbial biosphere -
1:11 - 1:13underneath all the world's oceans
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1:13 - 1:16that extends hundreds of meters
into the seafloor, -
1:16 - 1:17which is cool,
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1:17 - 1:20but the only problem
is that nobody believed him, -
1:20 - 1:23and the reason that nobody believed him
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1:23 - 1:27is that ocean sediments
may be the most boring place on Earth. -
1:27 - 1:28(Laughter)
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1:28 - 1:31There's no sunlight, there's no oxygen,
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1:31 - 1:33and perhaps worst of all,
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1:33 - 1:37there's no fresh food deliveries
for literally millions of years. -
1:37 - 1:39You don't have to have a PhD in biology
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1:39 - 1:42to know that that is a bad place
to go looking for life. -
1:42 - 1:43(Laughter)
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1:43 - 1:46But in 2002, [Steven D'Hondt] had
convinced enough people -
1:46 - 1:50that he was on to something
that he actually got an expedition -
1:50 - 1:53on this drillship,
called the JOIDES Resolution. -
1:53 - 1:56And he ran it along with
Bo Barker Jørgensen of Denmark. -
1:56 - 1:58And so they were finally able to get
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1:58 - 2:01good pristine deep subsurface samples
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2:01 - 2:04some really without contamination
from surface microbes. -
2:04 - 2:09This drill ship is capable of drilling
thousands of meters underneath the ocean, -
2:09 - 2:13and the mud comes up in sequential cores,
one after the other -- -
2:13 - 2:16long, long cores that look like this.
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2:16 - 2:19This is being carried by scientists
such as myself who go on these ships, -
2:20 - 2:23and we process the cores on the ships
and then we send them home -
2:23 - 2:25to our home laboratories
for further study. -
2:25 - 2:26So when John and his colleagues
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2:26 - 2:30got these first precious
deep-sea pristine samples, -
2:30 - 2:32they put them under the microscope,
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2:32 - 2:36and they saw images
that looked pretty much like this, -
2:36 - 2:38which is actually taken
from a more recent expedition -
2:38 - 2:40by my PhD student, Joy Buongiorno.
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2:40 - 2:43You can see the hazy stuff
in the background. -
2:43 - 2:46That's mud. That's deep-sea ocean mud,
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2:46 - 2:50and the bright green dots
stained with the green fluorescent dye -
2:50 - 2:52are real, living microbes.
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2:53 - 2:56Now I've got to tell you
something really tragic about microbes. -
2:56 - 2:58They all look the same under a microscope,
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2:58 - 3:00I mean, to a first approximation.
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3:00 - 3:04You can take the most fascinating
organisms in the world, -
3:04 - 3:07like a microbe that literally
breathes uranium, -
3:07 - 3:10and another one that makes rocket fuel,
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3:10 - 3:11mix them up with some ocean mud,
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3:11 - 3:13put them underneath a microscope,
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3:14 - 3:15and they're just little dots.
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3:15 - 3:17It's really annoying.
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3:17 - 3:19So we can't use their looks
to tell them apart. -
3:19 - 3:21We have to use DNA, like a fingerprint,
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3:21 - 3:23to say who is who.
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3:23 - 3:26And I'll teach you guys
how to do it right now. -
3:26 - 3:30So I made up some data, and I'm going
to show you some data that are not real. -
3:30 - 3:32This is to illustrate
what it would look like -
3:32 - 3:35if a bunch of species
were not related to each other at all. -
3:36 - 3:39So you can see each species
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3:39 - 3:43has a list of combinations
of A, G, C and T, -
3:43 - 3:45which are the four sub-units of DNA,
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3:45 - 3:49sort of randomly jumbled,
and nothing looks like anything else, -
3:49 - 3:51and these species
are totally unrelated to each other. -
3:51 - 3:53But this is what real DNA looks like,
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3:53 - 3:56from a gene that these species
happen to share. -
3:56 - 3:59Everything lines up nearly perfectly.
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3:59 - 4:03The chances of getting
so many of those vertical columns -
4:03 - 4:06where every species has a C
or every species has a T, -
4:06 - 4:09by random chance, are infinitesimal.
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4:09 - 4:14So we know that all those species
had to have had a common ancestor. -
4:14 - 4:16They're all relatives of each other.
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4:16 - 4:18So now I'll tell you who they are.
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4:18 - 4:21The top two are us and chimpanzees,
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4:21 - 4:25which y'all already knew were related,
because, I mean, obviously. -
4:25 - 4:26(Laughter)
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4:26 - 4:29But we're also related to things
that we don't look like, -
4:29 - 4:33like pine trees and Giardia,
which is that gastrointestinal disease -
4:33 - 4:36you can get if you don't filter
your water while you're hiking. -
4:36 - 4:41We're also related to bacteria
like E. coli and Clostridium difficile, -
4:41 - 4:45which is a horrible, opportunistic
pathogen that kills lots of people. -
4:45 - 4:49But there's of course good microbes too,
like Dehalococcoides ethenogenes, -
4:49 - 4:52which cleans up
our industrial waste for us. -
4:52 - 4:55So if I take these DNA sequences,
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4:55 - 4:58and then I use them, the similarities
and differences between them, -
4:58 - 5:00to make a family tree for all of us
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5:00 - 5:02so you can see who is closely related,
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5:02 - 5:04then this is what it looks like.
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5:04 - 5:06So you can see clearly, at a glance,
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5:06 - 5:11that things like us and Giardia
and bunnies and pine trees -
5:11 - 5:13are all, like, siblings,
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5:13 - 5:16and then the bacteria
are like our ancient cousins. -
5:16 - 5:20But we're kin to every
living thing on Earth. -
5:20 - 5:23So in my job, on a daily basis,
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5:23 - 5:27I get to produce scientific evidence
against existential loneliness. -
5:27 - 5:30So when we got these first DNA sequences,
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5:30 - 5:34from the first cruise, of pristine samples
from the deep subsurface, -
5:34 - 5:36we wanted to know where they were.
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5:36 - 5:39So the first thing that we discovered
is that they were not aliens, -
5:39 - 5:43because we could get their DNA to line up
with everything else on Earth. -
5:43 - 5:46But now check out where they go
on our tree of life. -
5:47 - 5:51The first thing you'll notice
is that there's a lot of them. -
5:51 - 5:52It wasn't just one little species
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5:52 - 5:55that managed to live
in this horrible place. -
5:55 - 5:56It's kind of a lot of things.
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5:56 - 5:58And the second thing that you'll notice,
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5:58 - 6:03hopefully, is that they're not
like anything we've ever seen before. -
6:03 - 6:06They are as different from each other
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6:06 - 6:09as they are from anything
that we've known before -
6:09 - 6:10as we are from pine trees.
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6:11 - 6:14So John Parkes was completely correct.
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6:14 - 6:19He, and we, had discovered
a completely new and highly diverse -
6:19 - 6:21microbial ecosystem on Earth
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6:21 - 6:25that no one even knew existed
before the 1980s. -
6:25 - 6:27So now we were on a roll.
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6:27 - 6:31The next step was to grow
these exotic species in a petri dish -
6:31 - 6:34so that we could
do real experiments on them -
6:34 - 6:36like microbiologists are supposed to do.
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6:36 - 6:38But no matter what we fed them,
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6:38 - 6:39they refused to grow.
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6:40 - 6:44Even now, 15 years
and many expeditions later, -
6:44 - 6:49no human has ever gotten a single one
of these exotic deep subsurface microbes -
6:49 - 6:51to grow in a petri dish.
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6:51 - 6:53And it's not for lack of trying.
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6:53 - 6:55That may sound disappointing,
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6:55 - 6:57but I actually find it exhilarating,
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6:57 - 7:01because it means there are so many
tantalizing unknowns to work on. -
7:01 - 7:04Like, my colleagues and I got
what we thought was a really great idea. -
7:04 - 7:07We were going to read their genes
like a recipe book, -
7:07 - 7:11find out what it was they wanted to eat
and put it in their petri dishes, -
7:11 - 7:13and then they would grow and be happy.
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7:13 - 7:15But when we looked at their genes,
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7:15 - 7:19it turns out that what they wanted to eat
was the food we were already feeding them. -
7:19 - 7:20So that was a total wash.
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7:20 - 7:23There was something else
that they wanted in their petri dishes -
7:23 - 7:25that we were just not giving them.
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7:26 - 7:30So by combining measurements
from many different places -
7:30 - 7:31around the world,
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7:31 - 7:35my colleagues at the University
of Southern California, -
7:35 - 7:37Doug LaRowe and Jan Amend,
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7:37 - 7:41were able to calculate that each one
of these deep-sea microbial cells -
7:41 - 7:45requires only one zeptowatt of power,
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7:45 - 7:49and before you get your phones out,
a zepto is 10 to the minus 21, -
7:49 - 7:51because I know I would want
to look that up. -
7:51 - 7:52Humans, on the other hand,
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7:52 - 7:55require about 100 watts of power.
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7:55 - 7:58So 100 watts is basically
if you take a pineapple -
7:58 - 8:05and drop it from about waist height
to the ground 881,632 times a day. -
8:05 - 8:07If you did that
and then linked it up to a turbine, -
8:07 - 8:10that would create enough power
to make me happen for a day. -
8:11 - 8:14A zeptowatt, if you put it
in similar terms, -
8:14 - 8:18is if you take just one grain of salt
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8:18 - 8:22and then you imagine
a tiny, tiny, little ball -
8:22 - 8:25that is one thousandth of the mass
of that one grain of salt -
8:25 - 8:28and then you drop it one nanometer,
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8:28 - 8:32which is a hundred times smaller
than the wavelength of visible light, -
8:32 - 8:34once per day.
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8:35 - 8:38That's all it takes
to make these microbes live. -
8:39 - 8:44That's less energy than we ever thought
would be capable of supporting life, -
8:44 - 8:47but somehow, amazingly, beautifully,
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8:47 - 8:48it's enough.
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8:49 - 8:51So if these deep-subsurface microbes
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8:51 - 8:55have a very different relationship
with energy than we previously thought, -
8:55 - 8:57then it follows that they'll have to have
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8:57 - 8:59a different relationship
with time as well, -
8:59 - 9:02because when you live
on such tiny energy gradients, -
9:02 - 9:04rapid growth is impossible.
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9:04 - 9:07If these things wanted
to colonize our throats and make us sick, -
9:07 - 9:09they would get muscled out
by fast-growing streptococcus -
9:09 - 9:12before they could even
initiate cell division. -
9:12 - 9:14So that's why we never
find them in our throats. -
9:16 - 9:20Perhaps the fact that the deep
subsurface is so boring -
9:20 - 9:22is actually an asset to these microbes.
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9:22 - 9:24They never get washed out by a storm.
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9:24 - 9:27They never get overgrown by weeds.
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9:27 - 9:30All they have to do is exist.
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9:31 - 9:35Maybe that thing that we were missing
in our petri dishes -
9:35 - 9:37was not food at all.
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9:37 - 9:38Maybe it wasn't a chemical.
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9:38 - 9:40Maybe the thing that they really want,
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9:40 - 9:43the nutrient that they want, is time.
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9:44 - 9:48But time is the one thing
that I'll never be able to give them. -
9:48 - 9:51So even if I have a cell culture
that I pass to my PhD students, -
9:51 - 9:53who pass it to their
PhD students, and so on, -
9:53 - 9:56we'd have to do that
for thousands of years -
9:56 - 9:59in order to mimic the exact conditions
of the deep subsurface, -
9:59 - 10:02all without growing any contaminants.
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10:02 - 10:03It's just not possible.
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10:04 - 10:07But maybe in a way we already have
grown them in our petri dishes. -
10:07 - 10:10Maybe they looked at all that food
we offered them and said, -
10:10 - 10:11"Thanks, I'm going to speed up so much
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10:12 - 10:14that I'm going to make
a new cell next century. -
10:14 - 10:15Ugh.
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10:15 - 10:16(Laughter)
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10:16 - 10:21So why is it that the rest
of biology moves so fast? -
10:21 - 10:23Why does a cell die after a day
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10:23 - 10:26and a human dies
after only a hundred years? -
10:26 - 10:28These seem like really
arbitrarily short limits -
10:28 - 10:31when you think about the total amount
of time in the universe. -
10:31 - 10:34But these are not arbitrary limits.
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10:34 - 10:37They're dictated by one simple thing,
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10:37 - 10:39and that thing is the Sun.
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10:40 - 10:43Once life figured out how to harness
the energy of the Sun -
10:43 - 10:44through photosynthesis,
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10:44 - 10:47we all had to speed up
and get on day and night cycles. -
10:47 - 10:50In that way, the Sun gave us
both a reason to be fast -
10:50 - 10:52and the fuel to do it.
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10:52 - 10:55You can view most of life on Earth
like a circulatory system, -
10:55 - 10:56and the Sun is our beating heart.
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10:57 - 11:00But the deep subsurface
is like a circulatory system -
11:00 - 11:02that's completely
disconnected from the Sun. -
11:02 - 11:07It's instead being driven
by long, slow geological rhythms. -
11:08 - 11:13There's currently no theoretical limit
on the lifespan of one single cell. -
11:15 - 11:19As long as there is at least
a tiny energy gradient to exploit, -
11:19 - 11:21theoretically, a single cell could live
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11:21 - 11:23for hundreds of thousands
of years or more, -
11:23 - 11:25simply by replacing
broken parts over time. -
11:26 - 11:30To ask a microbe that lives like that
to grow in our petri dishes -
11:30 - 11:35is to ask them to adapt to our frenetic,
Sun-centric, fast way of living, -
11:35 - 11:38and maybe they've got
better things to do than that. -
11:38 - 11:39(Laughter)
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11:39 - 11:44Imagine if we could figure out
how they managed to do this. -
11:44 - 11:47What if it involves some cool,
ultra-stable compounds -
11:47 - 11:49that we could use
to increase the shelf life -
11:49 - 11:52in biomedical or industrial applications?
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11:52 - 11:54Or maybe if we figure out
the mechanism that they use -
11:54 - 11:58to grow so extraordinarily slowly,
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11:58 - 12:01we could mimic it in cancer cells
and slow runaway cell division. -
12:02 - 12:03I don't know.
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12:03 - 12:06I mean, honestly, that is all speculation,
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12:06 - 12:09but the only thing I know for certain
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12:09 - 12:13is that there are
a hundred billion billion billlion -
12:13 - 12:15living microbial cells
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12:15 - 12:17underlying all the world's oceans.
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12:17 - 12:21That's 200 times more than the total
biomass of humans on this planet. -
12:22 - 12:26And those microbes have
a fundamentally different relationship -
12:26 - 12:28with time and energy than we do.
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12:28 - 12:30What seems like a day to them
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12:30 - 12:33might be a thousand years to us.
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12:33 - 12:35They don't care about the Sun,
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12:35 - 12:37and they don't care about growing fast,
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12:37 - 12:40and they probably don't give a damn
about my petri dishes ... -
12:40 - 12:41(Laughter)
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12:41 - 12:45but if we can continue to find
creative ways to study them, -
12:45 - 12:52then maybe we'll finally figure out
what life, all of life, is like on Earth. -
12:52 - 12:53Thank you.
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12:53 - 12:55(Applause)
- Title:
- This deep-sea mystery is changing our understanding of life
- Speaker:
- Karen Lloyd
- Description:
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How deep into the Earth can we go and still find life? Marine microbiologist Karen Lloyd introduces us to deep-subsurface microbes: tiny organisms that live buried meters deep in ocean mud and have been on Earth since way before animals. Learn more about these mysterious microbes, which refuse to grow in the lab and seem to have a fundamentally different relationship with time and energy than we do.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 13:08
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Natsuhiko Mizutani
2:25 - should be "So when [Steven] and his colleagues"
following the correction at 1:43 "But in 2002, [Steven D'Hondt] had convinced enough people"