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This deep-sea mystery is changing our understanding of life

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    I'm an ocean microbiologist
    at the University of Tennessee,
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    and I want to tell you guys
    about some microbes
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    that are so strange and wonderful
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    that they're challenging our assumptions
    about what life is like on Earth.
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    So I have a question.
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    Please raise your hand
    if you've ever thought it would be cool
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    to go to the bottom
    of the ocean in a submarine?
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    Yes.
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    Most of you, because
    the oceans are so cool.
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    Alright, now -- please raise your hand
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    if the reason you raised your hand
    to go to the bottom of the ocean
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    is because it would get you
    a little bit closer
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    to that exciting mud that's down there.
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    (Laughter)
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    Nobody.
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    I'm the only one in this room.
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    Well, I think about this all the time.
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    I spend most of my waking hours
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    trying to determine
    how deep we can go into the Earth
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    and still find something,
    anything, that's alive,
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    because we still don't know
    the answer to this very basic question
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    about life on Earth.
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    So in the 1980s, a scientist
    named John Parkes, in the UK,
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    was similarly obsessed,
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    and he came up with a crazy idea.
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    He believed that there was a vast,
    deep, and living microbial biosphere
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    underneath all the world's oceans
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    that extends hundreds of meters
    into the seafloor,
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    which is cool,
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    but the only problem
    is that nobody believed him,
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    and the reason that nobody believed him
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    is that ocean sediments
    may be the most boring place on Earth.
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    (Laughter)
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    There's no sunlight, there's no oxygen,
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    and perhaps worst of all,
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    there's no fresh food deliveries
    for literally millions of years.
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    You don't have to have a PhD in biology
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    to know that that is a bad place
    to go looking for life.
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    (Laughter)
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    But in 2002, [Steven D'Hondt] had
    convinced enough people
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    that he was on to something
    that he actually got an expedition
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    on this drillship,
    called the JOIDES Resolution.
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    And he ran it along with
    Bo Barker Jørgensen of Denmark.
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    And so they were finally able to get
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    good pristine deep subsurface samples
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    some really without contamination
    from surface microbes.
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    This drill ship is capable of drilling
    thousands of meters underneath the ocean,
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    and the mud comes up in sequential cores,
    one after the other --
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    long, long cores that look like this.
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    This is being carried by scientists
    such as myself who go on these ships,
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    and we process the cores on the ships
    and then we send them home
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    to our home laboratories
    for further study.
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    So when John and his colleagues
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    got these first precious
    deep-sea pristine samples,
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    they put them under the microscope,
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    and they saw images
    that looked pretty much like this,
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    which is actually taken
    from a more recent expedition
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    by my PhD student, Joy Buongiorno.
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    You can see the hazy stuff
    in the background.
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    That's mud. That's deep-sea ocean mud,
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    and the bright green dots
    stained with the green fluorescent dye
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    are real, living microbes.
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    Now I've got to tell you
    something really tragic about microbes.
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    They all look the same under a microscope,
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    I mean, to a first approximation.
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    You can take the most fascinating
    organisms in the world,
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    like a microbe that literally
    breathes uranium,
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    and another one that makes rocket fuel,
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    mix them up with some ocean mud,
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    put them underneath a microscope,
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    and they're just little dots.
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    It's really annoying.
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    So we can't use their looks
    to tell them apart.
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    We have to use DNA, like a fingerprint,
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    to say who is who.
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    And I'll teach you guys
    how to do it right now.
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    So I made up some data, and I'm going
    to show you some data that are not real.
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    This is to illustrate
    what it would look like
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    if a bunch of species
    were not related to each other at all.
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    So you can see each species
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    has a list of combinations
    of A, G, C and T,
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    which are the four sub-units of DNA,
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    sort of randomly jumbled,
    and nothing looks like anything else,
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    and these species
    are totally unrelated to each other.
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    But this is what real DNA looks like,
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    from a gene that these species
    happen to share.
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    Everything lines up nearly perfectly.
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    The chances of getting
    so many of those vertical columns
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    where every species has a C
    or every species has a T,
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    by random chance, are infinitesimal.
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    So we know that all those species
    had to have had a common ancestor.
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    They're all relatives of each other.
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    So now I'll tell you who they are.
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    The top two are us and chimpanzees,
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    which y'all already knew were related,
    because, I mean, obviously.
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    (Laughter)
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    But we're also related to things
    that we don't look like,
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    like pine trees and Giardia,
    which is that gastrointestinal disease
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    you can get if you don't filter
    your water while you're hiking.
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    We're also related to bacteria
    like E. coli and Clostridium difficile,
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    which is a horrible, opportunistic
    pathogen that kills lots of people.
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    But there's of course good microbes too,
    like Dehalococcoides ethenogenes,
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    which cleans up
    our industrial waste for us.
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    So if I take these DNA sequences,
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    and then I use them, the similarities
    and differences between them,
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    to make a family tree for all of us
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    so you can see who is closely related,
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    then this is what it looks like.
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    So you can see clearly, at a glance,
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    that things like us and Giardia
    and bunnies and pine trees
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    are all, like, siblings,
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    and then the bacteria
    are like our ancient cousins.
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    But we're kin to every
    living thing on Earth.
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    So in my job, on a daily basis,
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    I get to produce scientific evidence
    against existential loneliness.
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    So when we got these first DNA sequences,
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    from the first cruise, of pristine samples
    from the deep subsurface,
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    we wanted to know where they were.
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    So the first thing that we discovered
    is that they were not aliens,
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    because we could get their DNA to line up
    with everything else on Earth.
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    But now check out where they go
    on our tree of life.
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    The first thing you'll notice
    is that there's a lot of them.
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    It wasn't just one little species
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    that managed to live
    in this horrible place.
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    It's kind of a lot of things.
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    And the second thing that you'll notice,
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    hopefully, is that they're not
    like anything we've ever seen before.
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    They are as different from each other
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    as they are from anything
    that we've known before
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    as we are from pine trees.
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    So John Parkes was completely correct.
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    He, and we, had discovered
    a completely new and highly diverse
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    microbial ecosystem on Earth
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    that no one even knew existed
    before the 1980s.
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    So now we were on a roll.
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    The next step was to grow
    these exotic species in a petri dish
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    so that we could
    do real experiments on them
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    like microbiologists are supposed to do.
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    But no matter what we fed them,
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    they refused to grow.
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    Even now, 15 years
    and many expeditions later,
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    no human has ever gotten a single one
    of these exotic deep subsurface microbes
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    to grow in a petri dish.
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    And it's not for lack of trying.
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    That may sound disappointing,
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    but I actually find it exhilarating,
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    because it means there are so many
    tantalizing unknowns to work on.
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    Like, my colleagues and I got
    what we thought was a really great idea.
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    We were going to read their genes
    like a recipe book,
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    find out what it was they wanted to eat
    and put it in their petri dishes,
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    and then they would grow and be happy.
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    But when we looked at their genes,
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    it turns out that what they wanted to eat
    was the food we were already feeding them.
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    So that was a total wash.
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    There was something else
    that they wanted in their petri dishes
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    that we were just not giving them.
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    So by combining measurements
    from many different places
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    around the world,
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    my colleagues at the University
    of Southern California,
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    Doug LaRowe and Jan Amend,
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    were able to calculate that each one
    of these deep-sea microbial cells
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    requires only one zeptowatt of power,
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    and before you get your phones out,
    a zepto is 10 to the minus 21,
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    because I know I would want
    to look that up.
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    Humans, on the other hand,
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    require about 100 watts of power.
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    So 100 watts is basically
    if you take a pineapple
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    and drop it from about waist height
    to the ground 881,632 times a day.
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    If you did that
    and then linked it up to a turbine,
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    that would create enough power
    to make me happen for a day.
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    A zeptowatt, if you put it
    in similar terms,
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    is if you take just one grain of salt
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    and then you imagine
    a tiny, tiny, little ball
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    that is one thousandth of the mass
    of that one grain of salt
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    and then you drop it one nanometer,
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    which is a hundred times smaller
    than the wavelength of visible light,
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    once per day.
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    That's all it takes
    to make these microbes live.
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    That's less energy than we ever thought
    would be capable of supporting life,
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    but somehow, amazingly, beautifully,
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    it's enough.
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    So if these deep-subsurface microbes
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    have a very different relationship
    with energy than we previously thought,
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    then it follows that they'll have to have
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    a different relationship
    with time as well,
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    because when you live
    on such tiny energy gradients,
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    rapid growth is impossible.
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    If these things wanted
    to colonize our throats and make us sick,
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    they would get muscled out
    by fast-growing streptococcus
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    before they could even
    initiate cell division.
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    So that's why we never
    find them in our throats.
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    Perhaps the fact that the deep
    subsurface is so boring
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    is actually an asset to these microbes.
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    They never get washed out by a storm.
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    They never get overgrown by weeds.
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    All they have to do is exist.
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    Maybe that thing that we were missing
    in our petri dishes
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    was not food at all.
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    Maybe it wasn't a chemical.
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    Maybe the thing that they really want,
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    the nutrient that they want, is time.
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    But time is the one thing
    that I'll never be able to give them.
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    So even if I have a cell culture
    that I pass to my PhD students,
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    who pass it to their
    PhD students, and so on,
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    we'd have to do that
    for thousands of years
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    in order to mimic the exact conditions
    of the deep subsurface,
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    all without growing any contaminants.
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    It's just not possible.
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    But maybe in a way we already have
    grown them in our petri dishes.
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    Maybe they looked at all that food
    we offered them and said,
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    "Thanks, I'm going to speed up so much
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    that I'm going to make
    a new cell next century.
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    Ugh.
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    (Laughter)
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    So why is it that the rest
    of biology moves so fast?
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    Why does a cell die after a day
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    and a human dies
    after only a hundred years?
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    These seem like really
    arbitrarily short limits
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    when you think about the total amount
    of time in the universe.
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    But these are not arbitrary limits.
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    They're dictated by one simple thing,
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    and that thing is the Sun.
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    Once life figured out how to harness
    the energy of the Sun
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    through photosynthesis,
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    we all had to speed up
    and get on day and night cycles.
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    In that way, the Sun gave us
    both a reason to be fast
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    and the fuel to do it.
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    You can view most of life on Earth
    like a circulatory system,
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    and the Sun is our beating heart.
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    But the deep subsurface
    is like a circulatory system
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    that's completely
    disconnected from the Sun.
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    It's instead being driven
    by long, slow geological rhythms.
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    There's currently no theoretical limit
    on the lifespan of one single cell.
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    As long as there is at least
    a tiny energy gradient to exploit,
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    theoretically, a single cell could live
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    for hundreds of thousands
    of years or more,
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    simply by replacing
    broken parts over time.
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    To ask a microbe that lives like that
    to grow in our petri dishes
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    is to ask them to adapt to our frenetic,
    Sun-centric, fast way of living,
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    and maybe they've got
    better things to do than that.
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    (Laughter)
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    Imagine if we could figure out
    how they managed to do this.
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    What if it involves some cool,
    ultra-stable compounds
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    that we could use
    to increase the shelf life
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    in biomedical or industrial applications?
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    Or maybe if we figure out
    the mechanism that they use
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    to grow so extraordinarily slowly,
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    we could mimic it in cancer cells
    and slow runaway cell division.
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    I don't know.
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    I mean, honestly, that is all speculation,
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    but the only thing I know for certain
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    is that there are
    a hundred billion billion billlion
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    living microbial cells
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    underlying all the world's oceans.
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    That's 200 times more than the total
    biomass of humans on this planet.
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    And those microbes have
    a fundamentally different relationship
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    with time and energy than we do.
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    What seems like a day to them
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    might be a thousand years to us.
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    They don't care about the Sun,
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    and they don't care about growing fast,
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    and they probably don't give a damn
    about my petri dishes ...
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    (Laughter)
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    but if we can continue to find
    creative ways to study them,
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    then maybe we'll finally figure out
    what life, all of life, is like on Earth.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
This deep-sea mystery is changing our understanding of life
Speaker:
Karen Lloyd
Description:

How deep into the Earth can we go and still find life? Marine microbiologist Karen Lloyd introduces us to deep-subsurface microbes: tiny organisms that live buried meters deep in ocean mud and have been on Earth since way before animals. Learn more about these mysterious microbes, which refuse to grow in the lab and seem to have a fundamentally different relationship with time and energy than we do.

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Video Language:
English
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Duration:
13:08
  • 2:25 - should be "So when [Steven] and his colleagues"
    following the correction at 1:43 "But in 2002, [Steven D'Hondt] had convinced enough people"

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