Three myths about corruption
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0:01 - 0:03Okay, this morning I'm speaking
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0:03 - 0:06on the question of corruption.
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0:06 - 0:08And corruption is defined
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0:08 - 0:14as the abuse of a position of trust
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0:14 - 0:17for the benefit of yourself -- or, in the case of our context,
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0:17 - 0:20your friends, your family or your financiers.
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0:20 - 0:24Okay? Friends, family and financiers.
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0:24 - 0:28But we need to understand what we understand about corruption,
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0:28 - 0:31and we need to understand that
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0:31 - 0:35we have been miseducated about it, and we have to admit that.
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0:35 - 0:36We have to have the courage to admit that
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0:36 - 0:39to start changing how we deal with it.
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0:39 - 0:42The first thing is that the big myth, number one,
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0:42 - 0:44is that in fact it's not really a crime.
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0:44 - 0:46When we get together with friends and family
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0:46 - 0:48and we discuss crime in our country,
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0:48 - 0:51crime in Belmont or crime in Diego or crime in Marabella,
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0:51 - 0:53nobody's speaking about corruption.
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0:53 - 0:54That's the honest truth.
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0:54 - 0:57When the Commissioner of Police comes on TV to talk about crime,
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0:57 - 0:59he isn't speaking about corruption.
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0:59 - 1:02And we know for sure when the Minister of National Security
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1:02 - 1:05is speaking about crime, he's not talking about corruption either.
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1:05 - 1:08The point I'm making is that it is a crime.
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1:08 - 1:13It is an economic crime, because we're involving the looting of taxpayers' money.
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1:13 - 1:16Public and private corruption is a reality.
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1:16 - 1:17As somebody who comes from the private sector,
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1:17 - 1:20I can tell you there's a massive amount of corruption
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1:20 - 1:23in the private sector that has nothing to do with government.
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1:23 - 1:25The same bribes and backhanders and things that take place under the table,
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1:25 - 1:28it all takes place in the private sector.
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1:28 - 1:32Today, I'm focusing on public sector corruption,
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1:32 - 1:35which the private sector also participates in.
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1:35 - 1:37The second important myth to understand --
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1:37 - 1:39because we have to destroy these myths,
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1:39 - 1:41dismantle them and destroy them and ridicule them --
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1:41 - 1:43the second important myth to understand
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1:43 - 1:46is the one that says
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1:46 - 1:49that in fact corruption is only a small problem --
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1:49 - 1:51if it is a problem, it's only a small problem,
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1:51 - 1:55that in fact it's only a little 10 or 15 percent,
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1:55 - 1:59it's been going on forever, it probably will continue forever,
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1:59 - 2:03and there's no point passing any laws, because there's little we can do about it.
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2:03 - 2:05And I want to demonstrate that that, too,
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2:05 - 2:07is a dangerous myth, very dangerous.
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2:07 - 2:09It's a piece of public mischief.
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2:09 - 2:12And I want to speak a little bit,
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2:12 - 2:14take us back about 30 years.
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2:14 - 2:16We're coming out today from Trinidad and Tobago,
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2:16 - 2:19a resource-rich, small Caribbean country,
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2:19 - 2:24and in the early 1970s we had a massive increase in the country's wealth,
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2:24 - 2:28and that increase was caused by the increase in world oil prices.
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2:28 - 2:31We call them petrodollars. The treasury was bursting with money.
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2:31 - 2:35And it's ironic, because
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2:35 - 2:37we're standing today in the Central Bank.
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2:37 - 2:39You see, history's rich in irony.
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2:39 - 2:41We're standing today in the Central Bank,
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2:41 - 2:44and the Central Bank is responsible for a lot of the things I'm going to be speaking about.
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2:44 - 2:47Okay? We're talking about irresponsibility in public office.
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2:47 - 2:50We're speaking about the fact that across the terrace,
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2:50 - 2:52the next tower is the Ministry of Finance,
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2:52 - 2:54and there's a lot of connection with us today,
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2:54 - 2:57so we're speaking within your temple today. Okay?
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2:57 - 3:02(Applause)
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3:02 - 3:04The first thing I want to talk about is that
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3:04 - 3:08when all of this money flowed into our country about 40 years ago,
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3:08 - 3:10we embarked, the government of the day embarked
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3:10 - 3:12on a series of government-to-government arrangements
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3:12 - 3:14to have rapidly develop the country.
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3:14 - 3:16And some of the largest projects in the country
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3:16 - 3:19were being constructed through government-to-government arrangements
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3:19 - 3:21with some of the leading countries in the world,
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3:21 - 3:24the United States and Britain and France and so on and so on.
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3:24 - 3:27As I said, even this building we're standing in -- that's one of the ironies --
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3:27 - 3:28this building was part of that series of complexes,
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3:28 - 3:33what they called the Twin Towers.
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3:33 - 3:36It became so outrageous, the whole situation,
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3:36 - 3:38that in fact a commission of inquiry was appointed,
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3:38 - 3:42and it reported in 1982, 30 years ago it reported --
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3:42 - 3:45the Ballah Report -- 30 years ago,
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3:45 - 3:49and immediately the government-to-government arrangements were stopped.
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3:49 - 3:51The then-Prime Minister went to Parliament
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3:51 - 3:54to give a budget speech, and he said some things that I'll never forget.
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3:54 - 3:57They went right in here. I was a young man at the time.
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3:57 - 3:58It went right into my heart.
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3:58 - 4:03And he said that, in fact — Let me see if this thing works.
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4:03 - 4:05Are we getting a, yeah?—
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4:05 - 4:07That's what he told us.
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4:07 - 4:11He told us that, in fact,
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4:11 - 4:14two out of every three dollars of our petrodollars
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4:14 - 4:17that we spent, the taxpayers' money,
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4:17 - 4:19was wasted or stolen.
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4:19 - 4:23So the 10 or 15 percent is pure mischief.
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4:23 - 4:25As we say, it's a nancy-story. Forget it.
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4:25 - 4:27That's for little children. We are big people,
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4:27 - 4:29and we're trying to deal with what's happening in our society.
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4:29 - 4:31Okay? This is the size of the problem.
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4:31 - 4:34Okay? Two thirds of the money stolen or wasted.
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4:34 - 4:38That was 30 years ago. 1982 was Ballah.
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4:38 - 4:40So what has changed?
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4:40 - 4:42I don't like to bring up embarrassing secrets
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4:42 - 4:44to an international audience, but I have to.
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4:44 - 4:48Four months ago, we suffered a constitutional outrage in this country.
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4:48 - 4:53We call it the Section 34 fiasco, the Section 34 fiasco,
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4:53 - 4:55a suspicious piece of law, and I'm going to say it like it is,
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4:55 - 4:57a suspicious piece of law
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4:57 - 4:59was passed at a suspicious time
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4:59 - 5:01to free some suspects. (Laughter)
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5:01 - 5:07And it was called, those people are called
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5:07 - 5:09the Piarco Airport accused.
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5:09 - 5:12I'm going to have my own lexicon speaking here today.
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5:12 - 5:14They are the Piarco Airport accused.
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5:14 - 5:17It was a constitutional outrage of the first order,
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5:17 - 5:21and I have labeled it the Plot to Pervert Parliament.
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5:21 - 5:24Our highest institution in our country was perverted.
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5:24 - 5:26We are dealing with perverts here
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5:26 - 5:27of an economic and financial nature.
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5:27 - 5:29Do you get how serious this problem is?
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5:29 - 5:31There was massive protest. A lot of us in this room
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5:31 - 5:34took part in the protest in different forms.
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5:34 - 5:37Most importantly, the American embassy complained,
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5:37 - 5:39so Parliament was swiftly reconvened,
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5:39 - 5:41and the law was reversed, it was repealed.
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5:41 - 5:43That's the word lawyers use. It was repealed.
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5:43 - 5:46But the point is
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5:46 - 5:50that Parliament was outwitted in the whole course of events,
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5:50 - 5:53because what really happened is that,
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5:53 - 5:56because of the suspicious passage of that law,
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5:56 - 5:58the law was actually passed into effect
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5:58 - 6:01on the weekend we celebrated our 50th anniversary of independence,
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6:01 - 6:03our jubilee of independence.
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6:03 - 6:05So that is the kind of outrage of the thing.
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6:05 - 6:08It was kind of a nasty way to get maturation, but we got it,
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6:08 - 6:10because we all understood it,
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6:10 - 6:12and for the first time that I could remember,
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6:12 - 6:15there were mass protests against this corruption.
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6:15 - 6:17And that gave me a lot of hope. Okay?
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6:17 - 6:19Those of us who are, sometimes you feel like
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6:19 - 6:23you're a little bit on your own doing some of this work.
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6:23 - 6:26That passage of the law and the repeal of the law
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6:26 - 6:30fortified the case of the Piarco Airport accused.
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6:30 - 6:35So it was one of those really superior double bluff kind of things that took place.
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6:35 - 6:37But what were they accused of?
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6:37 - 6:38What was it that they were accused of?
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6:38 - 6:41I'm being a bit mysterious for those of you out there. What were they accused of?
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6:41 - 6:43We were trying to build, or reconstruct largely,
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6:43 - 6:46an airport that had grown outdated.
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6:46 - 6:50The entire project cost about 1.6 billion dollars,
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6:50 - 6:52Trinidad and Tobago dollars,
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6:52 - 6:56and in fact, we had a lot of bid-rigging
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6:56 - 6:59and suspicious activity, corrupt activity took place.
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6:59 - 7:03And to get an idea of what it consisted of,
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7:03 - 7:06and to put it in context in relationship to this whole
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7:06 - 7:08second myth about it being no big thing,
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7:08 - 7:11we can look at this second slide here.
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7:11 - 7:15And what we have here -- I am not saying so,
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7:15 - 7:19this is the Director of Public Prosecutions in a written statement. He said so.
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7:19 - 7:24And he's telling us that for the $1.6 billion cost of the project,
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7:24 - 7:26one billion dollars has been traced
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7:26 - 7:28to offshore bank accounts.
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7:28 - 7:30One billion dollars of our taxpayers' money
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7:30 - 7:33has been located in offshore bank accounts.
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7:33 - 7:36Being the kind of suspicious person I am,
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7:36 - 7:38I am outraged at that, and I'm going to pause here,
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7:38 - 7:41I'm going to pause now and again and bring in different things.
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7:41 - 7:43I'm going to pause here and bring in something I saw
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7:43 - 7:46in November last year at Wall Street. I was at Zuccotti Park.
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7:46 - 7:51It was autumn. It was cool. It was damp. It was getting dark.
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7:51 - 7:52And I was walking around with the protesters
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7:52 - 7:57looking at the One Wall Street, Occupy Wall Street movement walking around.
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7:57 - 7:59And there was a lady with a sign, a very simple sign,
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7:59 - 8:02a kind of battered-looking blonde lady,
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8:02 - 8:04and the sign was made out of Bristol board, as we say in these parts,
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8:04 - 8:06and it was made with a marker.
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8:06 - 8:09And what it said on that sign hit me right in the center.
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8:09 - 8:13It said, "If you're not outraged, you haven't been paying attention."
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8:13 - 8:16If you're not outraged by all of this, you haven't been paying attention.
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8:16 - 8:20So listen up, because we're getting into even deeper waters.
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8:20 - 8:23My brain started thinking.
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8:23 - 8:25Well, what if --
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8:25 - 8:29because I'm suspicious like that. I read a lot of spy novels and stuff.
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8:29 - 8:30What if -- (Laughter)
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8:30 - 8:33But to make it in these wrongs,
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8:33 - 8:34you have to read a lot of spy novels
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8:34 - 8:37and follow some of that stuff, right? (Laughter)
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8:37 - 8:42But what if this wasn't the first time?
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8:42 - 8:44What if this is just the first time
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8:44 - 8:46that the so-and-sos had been caught?
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8:46 - 8:52What if it had happened before? How would I find out?
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8:52 - 8:54Now, the previous two examples I gave
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8:54 - 8:58were to do with construction sector corruption, okay?
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8:58 - 9:00And I have the privilege at this time
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9:00 - 9:04to lead the Joint Consultative Council, which is a not-for-profit.
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9:04 - 9:07We're at jcc.org.tt, and we have the -- we are the leaders
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9:07 - 9:10in the struggle to produce a new public procurement system
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9:10 - 9:13about how public money is transacted.
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9:13 - 9:15So those of you interested in finding out more about it,
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9:15 - 9:19or joining us or signing up on any of our petitions, please get involved.
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9:19 - 9:21But I'm going to segue to another thing that relates,
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9:21 - 9:24because one of my private campaigns I've been conducting
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9:24 - 9:26for over three and a half years
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9:26 - 9:29is for transparency and accountability
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9:29 - 9:32around the bailout of CL Financial.
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9:32 - 9:37CL Financial is the Caribbean's largest ever conglomerate, okay?
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9:37 - 9:40And without getting into all of the details,
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9:40 - 9:43it is said to have collapsed — I'm using my words very carefully —
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9:43 - 9:46it's said to have collapsed in January of '09,
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9:46 - 9:49which is just coming up to nearly four years.
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9:49 - 9:52In an unprecedented fit of generosity --
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9:52 - 9:55and you have to be very suspicious about these people --
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9:55 - 9:57in an unprecedented — and I'm using that word carefully —
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9:57 - 10:01unprecedented fit of generosity, the government of the day
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10:01 - 10:05signed, made a written commitment, to repay all of the creditors.
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10:05 - 10:07And I can tell you without fear of contradiction
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10:07 - 10:10that hasn't happened anywhere else on the planet.
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10:10 - 10:12Let's understand, because we lack context.
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10:12 - 10:15People are telling us it's just like Wall Street. It's not just like Wall Street.
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10:15 - 10:20Trinidad and Tobago is like a place with different laws of physics or biology or something.
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10:20 - 10:25It's not just like anywhere. (Applause)
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10:25 - 10:30It's not just like anywhere. It's not just like anywhere.
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10:30 - 10:33Here is here, and out there is out there. Okay?
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10:33 - 10:34I'm serious now.
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10:34 - 10:37Listen. They've had bailouts on Wall Street.
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10:37 - 10:39They've had bailouts in London.
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10:39 - 10:41They've had bailouts in Europe.
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10:41 - 10:44In Africa, they've had bailouts. In Nigeria, six of the major
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10:44 - 10:46commercial banks collapsed at the same time as ours, eh?
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10:46 - 10:48It's interesting to parallel how the Nigerian experience has --
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10:48 - 10:51how they've treated it, and they've treated it
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10:51 - 10:53very well compared to us.
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10:53 - 10:55Nowhere on the planet
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10:55 - 10:57have all the creditors been bailed out
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10:57 - 11:00in excess of what their statutory entitlements were.
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11:00 - 11:03Only here. So what was the reason for the generosity?
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11:03 - 11:06Is our government that generous? And maybe they are.
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11:06 - 11:08Let's look at it. Let's look into it.
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11:08 - 11:11So I started digging and writing and so and so on,
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11:11 - 11:13and that work can be found, my personal work
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11:13 - 11:16can be found at AfraRaymond.com, which is my name.
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11:16 - 11:19It's a not-for-profit blog that I run.
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11:19 - 11:21Not as popular as some of the other people, but there you go.
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11:21 - 11:24(Laughter)
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11:24 - 11:28But the point is that the bitter experience of Section 34,
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11:28 - 11:31that plot to pervert Parliament, that bitter experience
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11:31 - 11:34that took place in August,
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11:34 - 11:37when we were supposed to be celebrating our independence,
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11:37 - 11:41going into September, forced me to check myself
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11:41 - 11:43and recalculate my bearings,
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11:43 - 11:46and to go back into some of the work, some of the stuff I'd written
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11:46 - 11:48and some of the exchanges I'd had with the officials
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11:48 - 11:50to see what was really what.
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11:50 - 11:54As we say in Trinidad and Tobago, who is who and what is what?
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11:54 - 11:56Okay? We want to try to recalculate.
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11:56 - 11:58And I made a Freedom of Information application
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11:58 - 12:02in May this year to the Ministry of Finance.
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12:02 - 12:04The Ministry of Finance is the next tower over.
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12:04 - 12:06This is the other context.
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12:06 - 12:08The Ministry of Finance, we are told,
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12:08 - 12:12is subject to the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act.
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12:12 - 12:15I'm going to take you through a worked example of whether that's really so.
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12:15 - 12:18The Central Bank in which we stand this morning
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12:18 - 12:22is immune from the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act.
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12:22 - 12:24So in fact, you can't ask them anything,
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12:24 - 12:25and they don't have to answer anything.
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12:25 - 12:28That is the law since 1999.
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12:28 - 12:32So I plunged into this struggle, and I asked four questions.
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12:32 - 12:36And I'll relate the questions to you in the short form with the reply,
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12:36 - 12:38so you could understand, as I said, where we are.
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12:38 - 12:40Here is not like anywhere else.
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12:40 - 12:43Question number one:
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12:43 - 12:45I asked to see the accounts of CL Financial,
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12:45 - 12:48and if you can't show me the accounts --
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12:48 - 12:50the Minister of Finance is making statements,
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12:50 - 12:52passing new laws and giving speeches and so on.
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12:52 - 12:55What are the figures he's relying on?
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12:55 - 12:57It's like that joke: I want whatever he's drinking.
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12:57 - 12:59And they wrote back and said to me,
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12:59 - 13:01well what do you really mean?
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13:01 - 13:03So they hit my question with a question.
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13:03 - 13:06Second point: I want to see
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13:06 - 13:10who are the creditors of the group who have been repaid?
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13:10 - 13:12Let me pause here to point out to you all
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13:12 - 13:15that 24 billion dollars of our money has been spent on this.
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13:15 - 13:18That is about three and a half billion U.S. dollars
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13:18 - 13:21coming out of a small -- we used to be resource-rich --
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13:21 - 13:24Caribbean country. Okay?
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13:24 - 13:25And I asked the question,
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13:25 - 13:29who was getting that three and a half billion dollars?
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13:29 - 13:32And I want to pause again to bring up context,
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13:32 - 13:35because context helps us to get clarity understanding this thing.
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13:35 - 13:38There's a particular individual who is in the government now.
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13:38 - 13:39The name of the person doesn't matter.
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13:39 - 13:42And that person made a career
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13:42 - 13:44out of using the Freedom of Information Act
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13:44 - 13:46to advance his political cause.
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13:46 - 13:50Okay? His name isn't important.
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13:50 - 13:52I wouldn't dignify it. I'm on a point.
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13:52 - 13:54The point is, that person made a career out of using
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13:54 - 13:57the Freedom of Information Act to advance his cause.
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13:57 - 14:00And the most famous case
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14:00 - 14:03was what we came to call the Secret Scholarship Scandal,
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14:03 - 14:05where in fact there was about 60 million dollars in government money
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14:05 - 14:08that had been dispersed in a series of scholarships,
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14:08 - 14:11and the scholarships hadn't been advertised, and so and so on and so on.
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14:11 - 14:14And he was able to get the court, using that act of Parliament,
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14:14 - 14:16Freedom of Information Act,
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14:16 - 14:18to release the information,
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14:18 - 14:21and I thought that was excellent.
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14:21 - 14:24Fantastic.
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14:24 - 14:26But you see, the question is this:
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14:26 - 14:30If it's right and proper for us to use the Freedom of Information Act
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14:30 - 14:34and to use the court
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14:34 - 14:39to force a disclosure about 60 million dollars in public money,
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14:39 - 14:40it must be right and proper
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14:40 - 14:45for us to force a disclosure about 24 billion dollars.
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14:45 - 14:47You see? But the Ministry of Finance,
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14:47 - 14:49the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Finance,
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14:49 - 14:52wrote me and said to me, that information is exempt too.
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14:52 - 14:55You see? This is what we're dealing with, okay?
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14:55 - 14:57The third thing I will tell you
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14:57 - 15:00is that I also asked
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15:00 - 15:03for the directors of CL Financial,
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15:03 - 15:07whether in fact they were making filings under our Integrity in Public Life Act.
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15:07 - 15:09We have an Integrity in Public Life Act
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15:09 - 15:14as part of our framework supposed to safeguard the nation's interest.
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15:14 - 15:16And public officials are supposed to file
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15:16 - 15:22to say what it is they have in terms of assets and liabilities.
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15:22 - 15:25And of course I've since discovered that they're not filing,
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15:25 - 15:28and in fact the Minister of Finance has not even asked them to file.
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15:28 - 15:33So here we have it. We have a situation where
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15:33 - 15:38the basic safeguards of integrity and accountability
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15:38 - 15:40and transparency have all been discarded.
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15:40 - 15:42I've asked the question in the legal and required fashion.
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15:42 - 15:44It's been ignored.
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15:44 - 15:47The sort of thing that motivated us around Section 34,
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15:47 - 15:50we need to continue to work on that. We can't forget it.
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15:50 - 15:54I have defined this as the single largest expenditure in the country's history.
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15:54 - 15:56It's also the single largest example
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15:56 - 16:01of public corruption according to this equation.
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16:01 - 16:04And this is my reality check.
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16:04 - 16:07Where you have an expenditure of public money
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16:07 - 16:10and it is without accountability
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16:10 - 16:11and it's without transparency,
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16:11 - 16:13it will always be equal to corruption,
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16:13 - 16:17whether you're in Russia or Nigeria or Alaska,
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16:17 - 16:21it will always be equal to corruption, and that is what we are dealing with here.
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16:21 - 16:23I'm going to continue the work
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16:23 - 16:27to press on, to get some resolution
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16:27 - 16:29of those matters at the Ministry of Finance.
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16:29 - 16:32If it is I have to go to court personally, I will do that.
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16:32 - 16:33We will continue to press on.
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16:33 - 16:35We will continue to work within JCC.
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16:35 - 16:38But I want to step back from the Trinidad and Tobago context
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16:38 - 16:39and bring something new to the table
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16:39 - 16:41in terms of an international example.
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16:41 - 16:44We had the journalist [Heather] Brooke speaking
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16:44 - 16:47about her battle against government corruption,
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16:47 - 16:52and she introduced me to this website, Alaveteli.com.
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16:52 - 16:57And Alaveteli.com is a way for us to have an open database
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16:57 - 16:59for Freedom of Information applications,
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16:59 - 17:02and speak with each other.
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17:02 - 17:04I could see what you're applying for.
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17:04 - 17:07You could see what I applied for and what replies I got.
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17:07 - 17:10We can work on it together. We need to build a collective database
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17:10 - 17:14and a collective understanding of where we are to go to the next point.
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17:14 - 17:15We need to increase the consciousness.
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17:15 - 17:19The final thing I want to say is in relation to this one,
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17:19 - 17:21which is a lovely website from India
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17:21 - 17:23called IPaidABribe.com.
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17:23 - 17:25They have international branches,
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17:25 - 17:28and it's important for us to tune into this one.
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17:28 - 17:30IPaidABribe.com is really important,
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17:30 - 17:33a good one to log on to and see.
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17:33 - 17:35I'm going to pause there. I'm going to ask you for your courage.
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17:35 - 17:37Discard the first myth; it is a crime.
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17:37 - 17:40Discard the second myth; it is a big thing.
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17:40 - 17:42It's a huge problem. It's an economic crime.
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17:42 - 17:44And let us continue working together
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17:44 - 17:46to betterment in this situation,
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17:46 - 17:50stability and sustainability in our society. Thank you.
- Title:
- Three myths about corruption
- Speaker:
- Afra Raymond
- Description:
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Trinidad and Tobago amassed great wealth in the 1970s thanks to oil. But in 1982, a shocking fact was revealed -- that 2 out of every 3 dollars earmarked for development had been wasted or stolen. This has haunted Afra Raymond for 30 years. Shining a flashlight on a continued history of government corruption, Raymond gives us a reframing of financial crime. (Filmed at TEDxPortofSpain.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 18:09
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