Everybody talks about capitalism, but what is it? | Kajsa Ekis Ekman | TEDxAthens
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0:10 - 0:17We heard today about inventions,
about economy and about war, -
0:17 - 0:21but there's one word that has not
been mentioned the whole day -
0:21 - 0:25and, yet, is the force
that drives all of these things. -
0:25 - 0:28Okay, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness
that's talking about God, right? -
0:28 - 0:30It's another word, "capitalism."
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0:30 - 0:32Do you know what that is?
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0:34 - 0:35What is it then?
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0:38 - 0:39I didn't hear anything.
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0:39 - 0:41See, that's the interesting thing.
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0:41 - 0:45When I went to school, I learned
that we were living in a society -
0:45 - 0:47that was governed by democracy, right?
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0:47 - 0:50And if you didn't know exactly
how many MPs were in your parliament, -
0:50 - 0:52you didn't pass the test.
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0:52 - 0:55So when I got out of school
and I looked for a job and I got a job, -
0:55 - 0:57I didn't see no democracy there.
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0:57 - 0:59The boss was ruling
like in a dictatorship! -
0:59 - 1:02When I was going to buy
my first apartment, -
1:02 - 1:04I didn't see no democracy there either.
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1:04 - 1:07When you go to the stores,
where's democracy? -
1:07 - 1:11And I realized there is another force
that's guiding society -
1:11 - 1:14that's much more powerful than democracy,
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1:14 - 1:17and this force is capitalism.
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1:17 - 1:18Now, I know what you're thinking now,
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1:18 - 1:21that I'm going to talk about
capitalism being bad and all that. -
1:21 - 1:22It's not the point.
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1:22 - 1:25The point is we have to understand
what this thing is, -
1:25 - 1:28we have to understand
the mechanisms of it. -
1:29 - 1:33I came to this point
when I came to Athens in 2011 -
1:33 - 1:35to write my book about the euro crisis.
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1:35 - 1:37This was at a time when -
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1:37 - 1:40When I landed in Athens,
Syntagma was full of tents, -
1:40 - 1:43full of people talking, having meetings
and things like that, -
1:43 - 1:45sharing experiences.
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1:45 - 1:47It was a time when the whole
European media was talking -
1:47 - 1:50about Greeks being lazy,
not working enough, -
1:50 - 1:52retiring too early and so on,
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1:52 - 1:54facts that later on have been disproven.
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1:54 - 1:58I mean, I've been an investigative
journalist for about ten years. -
1:58 - 2:02I don't think it's ever been so easy
for me to check facts. -
2:02 - 2:06I looked at the ECB,
the OECD, the ILO, Eurostat, -
2:06 - 2:10and you see that nowhere
are those facts to be proven. -
2:12 - 2:15However, when I was going around Sweden
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2:15 - 2:18and talking what were
the causes of the crisis, -
2:19 - 2:23I realized that crises today
are much more difficult to understand -
2:23 - 2:26than, say, 500 years ago.
-
2:26 - 2:27Five hundred years ago,
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2:27 - 2:30as the historian Fernand Braudel
describes really well, -
2:30 - 2:32crises were easy to explain.
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2:32 - 2:35There were too many people
and too little food. -
2:35 - 2:39When population grew at the same time
as there was a natural disaster, -
2:39 - 2:42all of a sudden people
didn't have enough to eat. -
2:42 - 2:44Today's crises look very different.
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2:44 - 2:46We have stores full of food,
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2:46 - 2:49but outside, there are people
who are hungry and begging for money. -
2:49 - 2:53So, there must be something wrong
in the mechanism. -
2:53 - 2:56Now, let me give you
a definition of capitalism. -
2:56 - 2:58A lot of people think
capitalism is free market, -
2:58 - 3:01it's free choice, it's individualism -
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3:01 - 3:02No.
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3:03 - 3:08Capitalism is production
for profit in private hands, -
3:08 - 3:10as opposed to, for example,
what's happening in China, -
3:10 - 3:12where we have state's capitalism,
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3:12 - 3:17where the state produces for profit,
but it's not owned in private hands; -
3:17 - 3:23or as opposed to production in private
hands that's not made for profit. -
3:23 - 3:27So, capitalism is when the production
of goods and services -
3:27 - 3:31is done for the sake of profit
and is in private hands. -
3:31 - 3:34Now, this is the total
opposite of a market. -
3:34 - 3:37In a market, the principle,
as Marx described, -
3:37 - 3:41is product - money - product.
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3:42 - 3:46A farmer might go to the market with eggs,
get money for the eggs, -
3:46 - 3:49and with this money,
buy some milk, right? -
3:49 - 3:52So, the money is just a tool.
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3:52 - 3:55Now, a capitalist works the other
way around, starts with money. -
3:55 - 3:58Either you take a loan
or you have money to invest. -
3:58 - 4:00You make your product
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4:00 - 4:03just to end up with more money
than you had in the beginning. -
4:03 - 4:08So, the principle is
money - product - more money, right? -
4:08 - 4:11Now, capitalism isn't
good or bad in itself. -
4:11 - 4:12It doesn't have a moral.
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4:12 - 4:17The point is it doesn't have a plan,
it doesn't have a responsibility, -
4:17 - 4:21because in every company's goal
is only that thing: -
4:21 - 4:24to end up with more money at the end.
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4:24 - 4:28It doesn't have a responsibility
for the climate, or the economy, -
4:28 - 4:31or the country, or the world.
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4:33 - 4:37Now, the point is here that capitalism
isn't the same all the time. -
4:37 - 4:39It takes many forms.
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4:39 - 4:42It can take the form
of imperialism, as we know; -
4:42 - 4:47it can take the form
of a free-market type of capitalism; -
4:47 - 4:51it can take the form of vampire capitalism
as we saw in Russia in the '90s, -
4:51 - 4:54when people were just robbing
the hell out of the economy. -
4:55 - 4:57What I'm going to try to describe here
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4:57 - 5:01is the changes that capitalism
has gone through over the last 40 years, -
5:01 - 5:04which has brought us to this period
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5:04 - 5:07where crises are happening
one after the other in the whole world. -
5:09 - 5:13Because capitalism, mind you,
doesn't always lead to crisis. -
5:13 - 5:18As the economist Andrew Kleiman has said,
you cannot blame capitalism for crisis. -
5:18 - 5:22That is as blaming
plane crashes on gravity. -
5:22 - 5:26I mean, gravity is always there, right?
But planes do not always crash. -
5:26 - 5:29And as a matter of fact,
in the post-war period, -
5:29 - 5:311945 to 1973,
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5:31 - 5:35the West didn't see a single crisis.
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5:35 - 5:39It was a time when profits went up
at the same time as salaries went up. -
5:40 - 5:43The working classes became
consuming classes for the first time -
5:43 - 5:44in big parts of the West,
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5:44 - 5:50could buy a TV, could buy cars,
could go on vacation and things like that. -
5:50 - 5:53Now, in 1973, what happened?
The oil crisis. -
5:54 - 5:59After the oil crisis, all of a sudden,
profits went down all over the West. -
5:59 - 6:01Now, of course, bearing in mind
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6:01 - 6:05that if you have a company
the point is to make profit, -
6:05 - 6:09what does a company do
when the no longer can make profit? -
6:09 - 6:11Well, one way is to go bankrupt.
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6:11 - 6:13Another way is to cut costs.
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6:14 - 6:17So, companies all over the West
started cutting costs, -
6:17 - 6:21meaning the cost of labor,
lowering salaries, -
6:21 - 6:23which of course meant
also attacking trade unions. -
6:23 - 6:27You had to do that in order
to be able to push down salaries, -
6:27 - 6:28as much as they did.
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6:28 - 6:33They got political help in the beginning
of the '80s with Regan and Thatcher, -
6:33 - 6:39who launched major attacks on trade unions
all over Britain and America. -
6:40 - 6:46Another strategy when profits
went down was financialization. -
6:46 - 6:47Now, as you might remember,
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6:47 - 6:52finance had been a very repressed part
of the economy since the Great Depression. -
6:52 - 6:56Of course, because
in the Great Depression, in 1929, -
6:56 - 7:00they saw what would happen if you had
an unregulated financial sector. -
7:01 - 7:05It led to a big bubble that then crashed,
and millions were unemployed. -
7:05 - 7:10So, after the Great Depression,
they installed regulation for finance. -
7:10 - 7:11Right?
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7:11 - 7:13Now, in the beginning of the '80s,
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7:13 - 7:17investors were pushing
for these regulations to be taken away, -
7:17 - 7:21in order to - as you remember,
the formula money - product - money - -
7:21 - 7:23to shorten this formula
and make money off of money. -
7:23 - 7:27So, just money - money;
that is the finance sector. -
7:27 - 7:32So, also in Britain and in America,
regulations were taken away. -
7:32 - 7:37So, all of a sudden, banks could lend
as much as they wanted, -
7:37 - 7:40they could have as high
interest rates as they wanted, -
7:40 - 7:43they didn't have to have a distinction
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7:43 - 7:46between the money that people
put in the bank to save -
7:46 - 7:50and the money they use for speculation.
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7:50 - 7:54[The so-called] Glass-Steagall law
was taken away as well. -
7:55 - 7:57So, this led to financial explosion,
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7:57 - 7:59and later on when new
innovations came in finance, -
7:59 - 8:02they were totally freed from regulation.
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8:02 - 8:05The third strategy was privatization.
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8:05 - 8:08Now, this is very smart,
if you think about it, for a capitalist -
8:08 - 8:12because if your product
is, like, chewing gum, -
8:12 - 8:16in a crisis, maybe that's not the first
thing that people are going to buy. -
8:16 - 8:19It doesn't matter, like,
if you make a new package, -
8:19 - 8:22or if you put a green-tea taste,
or ginger taste, -
8:22 - 8:25or mix all these different things
in your chewing gums. -
8:25 - 8:29If people don't have money, that's not
the first thing they're going to get. -
8:29 - 8:32But if you look at the important
things of life - what are these? -
8:32 - 8:38Water, electricity, communications,
health, school, education, -
8:38 - 8:39things like that -
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8:39 - 8:42The problem was you couldn't
make profit off of these -
8:42 - 8:45because these used to be
owned by the state. -
8:45 - 8:48Now, capitalists all over the West said,
"Why don't we try to get in there? -
8:48 - 8:51Because of course, if there's a crisis
people will still want water, -
8:51 - 8:53they're still going to want education."
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8:53 - 8:58So, all these sectors were privatized,
from the '80s and onwards, bit by bit. -
8:58 - 9:00And I know that people here tend to think
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9:00 - 9:04that Sweden is this kind
of social democratic paradise, -
9:04 - 9:07where everything is public
and we all get money for free. -
9:07 - 9:11Let me tell you that we have actually
gone further than most countries -
9:11 - 9:15in deregulating and privatizing things.
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9:15 - 9:17I mean, today in Sweden,
you can buy a school - -
9:17 - 9:19McDonald's can buy a school,
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9:19 - 9:22and take money off of the state,
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9:22 - 9:25put a half of it in Cayman
Islands and go bankrupt. -
9:25 - 9:28So, Sweden isn't really
what it used to be either. -
9:28 - 9:32So, these three strategies,
combined of course with the fact -
9:32 - 9:35that China and Soviet Union
later on were included -
9:35 - 9:38in the whole capitalist world economy,
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9:38 - 9:41have changed a lot of things.
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9:41 - 9:47Now, what happened was, in the US,
they managed to put salaries so low -
9:47 - 9:51that people in the US now needed to have
two, three jobs to survive. -
9:54 - 9:58How then were they
going to consume products? -
9:58 - 10:00And that's like every capitalist dilemma,
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10:00 - 10:03because what you want is of course
your workers should not earn that much, -
10:03 - 10:05so you cut costs,
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10:05 - 10:09but the workers of all the other companies
should earn a lot, ideally, -
10:09 - 10:11so they can buy your products.
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10:11 - 10:14Now, if all the companies succeed
in pushing down wages, -
10:14 - 10:16nobody is there to consume.
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10:16 - 10:20So that was a problem.
But then, what came in? The loans. -
10:20 - 10:22Remember the second strategy,
financialization. -
10:22 - 10:27So, loans came in, so now all these people
in the US working three jobs were told, -
10:27 - 10:28"Well, you can just take loans!
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10:28 - 10:31If you take loans, you can get
a new house and so on. -
10:31 - 10:33Don't worry, the interest
rate is very low." -
10:33 - 10:37Nobody saw that it went up
after two or three years. -
10:37 - 10:40So, when all that got together,
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10:40 - 10:45we had the breakdown that we had in 2008.
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10:45 - 10:50Normal people in the US had
one capitalist on [each] shoulder. -
10:50 - 10:53One of them of course is
the company owner that you work for, -
10:53 - 10:56that's, you know, taking off
of your work every day. -
10:56 - 10:57The other one was the bank.
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10:57 - 11:02When one of them wasn't paying enough
to satisfy the needs of the other one, -
11:02 - 11:03things broke down.
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11:04 - 11:06Who had to step in
and solve the whole thing? -
11:06 - 11:09The taxpayers again, these same workers.
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11:09 - 11:10Now, going back to Europe,
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11:10 - 11:16the European industrialists
had their own strategy -
11:16 - 11:19in attacking falling profits.
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11:19 - 11:25In 1983, the major European
industrialists met in Paris; -
11:25 - 11:29the initiative of the CEO of Volvo,
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11:29 - 11:32a Swedish guy - I don't know
if I should be proud - -
11:32 - 11:33Pehr Gustaf Gyllenhammar.
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11:33 - 11:35He called his colleagues
up in Europe and he said, -
11:35 - 11:38"Listen, guys, we have a problem.
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11:38 - 11:40The European industry is going bad,
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11:40 - 11:42Japan is going ahead of us,
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11:42 - 11:44the US is going ahead,
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11:44 - 11:46we need to do something."
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11:46 - 11:47So, they all met in Paris.
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11:48 - 11:51Of course these were all
like competing companies -
11:51 - 11:53that normally would have hated each other,
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11:53 - 11:56but now they decided to collaborate.
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11:56 - 12:00They said, "The problem in Europe is
we have too many different governments, -
12:00 - 12:03that decide different things, right?
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12:03 - 12:10So, we need a unit that can impose
the same rules in the same market, -
12:10 - 12:11in the whole of Europe."
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12:12 - 12:14Now, before that,
I don't know if you remember, -
12:14 - 12:16we had the European Community.
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12:16 - 12:20If you opened a newspaper in the 1970s
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12:20 - 12:22and tried to read
about the European Community, -
12:22 - 12:25there wouldn't be
anything there about it. Why? -
12:25 - 12:28Because the European Community
wasn't really that much of a thing. -
12:28 - 12:34What it was was fine words
about peace, and about brotherhood, -
12:34 - 12:36agricultural subsidies,
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12:36 - 12:38but not much more than that.
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12:38 - 12:42Now, these industrialists that met decided
to develop the European Community -
12:42 - 12:45into what is now known
as the European Union. -
12:45 - 12:48Unfortunately, they haven't
really gotten credit for it, -
12:48 - 12:50and a lot of them
are writing memoirs saying, -
12:50 - 12:52"Why are people
giving credit to politicians -
12:52 - 12:57when it was us, you know, the capitalists.
We did this. Nobody's thanking us!" -
12:58 - 13:02So, they wrote a manifesto back in 1983
called "Europe 1990," -
13:02 - 13:06that then became the basis
of the Maastricht Treaty, -
13:06 - 13:08that laid the foundation
of what is now the European Union, -
13:08 - 13:12and later transformed into the euro.
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13:13 - 13:16So, we can see
that the same thing happened -
13:16 - 13:20when the American crisis
came over to Europe, -
13:20 - 13:22mutated into euro crisis,
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13:22 - 13:26and all of a sudden the flaws
of the scheme were exposed. -
13:27 - 13:30Now, I'm realizing I only have
a couple of minutes here -
13:30 - 13:34to preach, like, a world revolution,
so I don't think that's going to happen. -
13:35 - 13:38But I want to ask you
to think of something: -
13:39 - 13:43with the crisis that we have today,
the crisis of the three Es - -
13:44 - 13:47economy, ecology and energy -
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13:48 - 13:54do you think this system will be able
to solve this crisis by itself? -
13:54 - 14:00Are there mechanisms in companies
that are taking care of these things? -
14:01 - 14:03You know, there's a famous quote:
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14:03 - 14:06"The market is a good servant,
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14:06 - 14:10but it's a bad master,
and it's a worse religion." -
14:11 - 14:13Now, I want you to think of:
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14:13 - 14:17what if we brought back democracy
as it was intended to be? -
14:17 - 14:21And some of you will tell us,
"No, of course we already have democracy." -
14:22 - 14:25Yeah, in one sense, we do,
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14:25 - 14:31but if you were to understand the full
meaning of what democracy might be, -
14:31 - 14:34not only voting every four years,
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14:34 - 14:39but having democracy
in all sectors of society, -
14:39 - 14:44democracy also in the workplace,
democracy everywhere, -
14:44 - 14:47I think there's only one thing
that cannot be democratic, -
14:47 - 14:49and that's love, unfortunately, you know.
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14:49 - 14:52It's just bound to be like that,
you can do nothing about it, -
14:52 - 14:56though you might have democracy
in your relationship once you get one. -
14:57 - 14:59But I want you to think of that.
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15:00 - 15:02Are they going to solve it?
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15:03 - 15:05And if they're not
going to solve it, who will? -
15:05 - 15:06Thank you.
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15:06 - 15:08(Applause)
- Title:
- Everybody talks about capitalism, but what is it? | Kajsa Ekis Ekman | TEDxAthens
- Description:
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In the wake of the financial meltdown and the euro crisis, a new interest in understanding capitalism has surged. So what is this system? It has the power to transform rural societies into bustling urban metropoles in only a decade, foster innovation and new technologies, but one thing the system lacks is a plan. And as we face not only economic crisis, but a much bigger climate crisis, a plan is exactly what is needed.
Kajsa Ekis Ekman was born in Stockholm 1980. She is a journalist and author of two books, "Being and being bought" about trafficking in women, and "Stolen Spring" about the eurocrisis and its consequences for Greece. Her books have been translated into several languages and she lectures around the world about crisis theory, women's rights and Latin American politics. She is a critic at Sweden's major daily Dagens Nyheter and an op-ed writer for the newspaper ETC. She is the founder of the climate action movement Klimax and the solidarity network NFG.
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