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Full Phone Call: Trump Pressures Georgia Secretary of State To Recount Election Votes | NBC News

Mark Meadows:
Mr President everybody is on the line

and just so, this is Mark Meadows the
chief of staff

just so we all are aware

on the line is secretary of state and
two other individuals,

Jordan and Mr Germany with him.

You also have the attorneys that represent
the President,

Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell
who is not the attorney of record

but has been involved,
myself and then the President.

So Mr president, i'll turn it over to you

Donald Trump: okay thank you very much.

Hello, Brad and Ryan and everybody:
we appreciate the time and the call.

So we've spent a lot of time on this and

if we could just go over some
of the numbers

i think it's pretty clear that we won,
we won very substantially Georgia,

you even see it by rally size, frankly.

Would be getting 25, 30 000 people a rally

and the competition would get
less than 100 people.

and it never made sense,
but we have a number of things,

we have at least two or three

anywhere from 250 to 300 000 ballots

were dropped mysteriously into the rolls.

Much of that had to do with Fulton County
which hasn't been checked

we think that if you check the signatures
a real check of the signatures

going back in Fulton County,
you'll find at least

a couple of hundred thousand
of forged signatures

of people with -- that who's
who have been forged

and we are quite sure
that's going to happen.

Another tremendous number --

we're going to have an accurate number
over the next two days,

with certified accountants --
but an accurate number uh will be given,

but it's in the 50s of thousands,
and that's people that went to vote

and they were told they can't vote

because they've already been voted for

and it's a very sad thing. ***

they walked out complaining but they the

the numbers large will have it

for you but it's very it's much more

than the uh number

of 11 779 that's

the the current margin is only 11

779 brad i think i think you agree with

that

right that's that's something i think

everyone at least that's the number that

everyone agrees on

but that's the difference uh in the

votes

but we've had uh hundreds of thousands

of ballots that we're

uh we're we're able to actually we'll

get you a pretty accurate number you

don't need much of a number because the

number that

in theory i lost by the margin would be

11

seventy nine uh but you also have uh

substantial uh numbers of people

thousands and thousands who went to the

voting place on november third

were told they couldn't vote we're told

they couldn't vote because a ballot had

been put in

on their name and uh you know that's

uh very very very very sad we had

um i believe it's about 4502 voters

who voted uh but who weren't on the

voter registration list so it's 5

4 502 who voted but they

were not on the voter registration role

which they had to be

uh you had 18 325 vacant address voters

they had no

the address was vacant uh and they're

not allowed to be

counted that's 18 325.

uh smaller number you had 904 who

uh only voted uh where they had just a

po a post office box number

and they had a post office box number

and that's

not allowed we had uh

at least 18 000 that's on tape we had

them counted

very painstakingly 18 000 voters

uh having to do with ruby freeman that's

she's a vote scammer

a professional vote scammer and hustler

ruby freeman uh that is uh that was the

tape that's been shown all over the

world that makes everybody look bad

uh you me and everybody else where they

got uh

number one they they said they said very

clearly and and

it's been reported that they said there

was a major water main break

everybody fled the area

and then they came back ruby friedman

her daughter and a few people

there were no republican poll watchers

actually there were no democrat poll

watchers i guess they were them

but there were no democrats either and

there was no law enforcement

late in the morning they went early in

the morning they went to uh

the table with the black robe the black

shield and they pulled out the votes

those votes were put there a number of

hours before the table was put there i

think it was

brad you would know it was probably uh

eight hours or seven hours before and

then it was

stuffed with uh votes they weren't in an

official

voter box they were in what looked to be

uh

suitcases or trunks suitcases but

they weren't in uh in voter boxes

uh the minimum number it could be

because we watched it and

they they watched it certified uh

in slow motion instant replay if you can

believe it but had slow motion and it

was magnified many times over

and the minimum it was was 18 000

ballots

all for biden um you had

out-of-state voters uh they voted in uh

georgia but they were from out of state

of 4925.

uh you had absentee ballot sent to

uh their vacant they were absentee

ballots sent to vacant addresses

uh they had nothing on them about

addresses that's 2326.

um and you had dropboxes

uh which is very bad your dropbox

boxes that were picked up we have uh

photographs and

we have uh affidavits for many people i

don't know if you saw the hearings but

but you have dropboxes where the box was

picked up and not delivered for three

days

so all sorts of things could have

happened to that box including

you know putting in the votes that you

wanted so there are many

infractions and the bottom line is

many many times the 11 779

margin that they said we lost by

uh we had vast i mean you have

the state is in turmoil uh over this

and i know you would like to get to the

bottom of it although i saw you on

television today and you said uh

that you found nothing wrong i mean you

know i and i didn't lose the state bread

uh people have have been saying

that it was the highest vote ever there

was no way a lot of the

the political people said that there's

no way they beat me and they beat me

they

they beat me in the poll as you know

every single state

we want every state we want every state

house in the country

we held the senate which is shocking to

people although we'll see what happens

tomorrow or

in a few days uh and we uh we won the

house

but we won every single state house and

we won

congress which was supposed to lose 15

seats and they gained

i think 16 or 17 or something i think

there's now a difference of five

there was supposed to be a difference

substantially more but politicians in

every state but politicians in georgia

have given affidavits and are going to

that

that there was no way they beat me in

the in the election

uh that the people came out in fact they

were expecting to lose

and then they ended up winning by a lot

because of the coattails

and they said there's no way that

they've done many polls prior to the

election there was no way that they won

uh ballots were dropped in massive

numbers

and we're trying to get to those numbers

and we will have them they'll take a

period of time

certified uh but but uh

but they're massive numbers and far

greater than the 11

779

the other thing dead people so dead

people voted

and i think uh the the number is in the

pro

close to 5 000 people and they went to

uh obituaries they went to

all sorts of methods to come up with an

accurate number and a minimum

is close to about 5 000 voters the

bottom line is when you end it all up

and then you start adding you know 300

000 of fake ballots

then the other thing they said is in

fulton county in other areas

and this may or may not seem because

this just came up this morning

that they are burning their ballots that

they are shredding

shredding ballots and removing equipment

they're changing the equipment on the uh

on the dominion machines and you know

that that's not legal and they

supposedly shred and i think they said

300 pounds of

3 000 pounds of balance and that just

came

to us as a report today and

uh you know it's uh it's a very sad

situation

but uh but brad uh if you took

the minimum numbers were where many

times above the 11 000 779

and many of those numbers are certified

or they will be certified but they are

certified

those are numbers that are there that

exist and that uh

that beat the margin uh the margin of

loss

it be they beat it i mean by a lot

and people should be happy to have an

accurate count

instead of an election where there's

turbo i mean there's turmoil in georgia

and other places you're not the only one

i mean we have uh

other states that i believe will be

flipping to us very shortly

and uh but this is this is something

that's uh you know as an example i think

in

in detroit and i think there's a section

a good section of your state actually

which

we're not sure so we're not going to

report it yet but uh

in detroit we had 100 i think it was 139

uh of the people voted

uh that's not too good in pennsylvania

they had uh well over 200 000 more votes

than they had people voting

and uh that was that doesn't play too

well

and the legislature there is which is

republican is

extremely activist and angry but i mean

there were other things also that were

almost as bad as that but but uh

they had as an example in michigan a

trem tremendous number of dead people

that voted i think it was

i think market was 18 000. oh some

some unbelievably high number much

higher than yours you were

you were in the 4 to 5 000 category and

that was checked out

uh laboriously by going through uh

uh versus by going through the obituary

columns in the newspapers

so i guess with all of it being said

brad

it's the bottom line and provisional

ballots uh again

you know you'll have to tell me about

the provisional ballots but we have

uh a lot of people that were complaining

that they weren't able to vote because

they were already voted for and

these are great people and you know they

were

shell-shocked i don't know if you call

that provisional ballots in some states

we had a lot of provisional ballot

uh situations where people were given a

provisional ballot because when they

walked into november 3rd they were

already voting for

voted for so that's it i mean we have uh

many many times the number of uh of

votes necessary to win the state

and we won the state and we want it very

substantially and

easily and we're we're getting we have

much of this is a very cert you know

they're certified

uh far more certified than we need but

we're getting additional numbers

certified too

and we're getting uh pictures of

dropboxes being delivered

and delivered late and delivered three

days later in some cases

plus we have many affidavits to that

effect

so mr president if i if i might be able

to jump in and i'll give brad a chance

uh uh mr secretary uh

one of obviously uh

there is uh there are allegations where

we believe

that not every vote or fair vote

and legal vote was was counted

and that's at odds with the

representation from the secretary of

state's office

what i'm hopeful for is is there some

way that we can

we can find uh some kind of agreement to

to uh to look at this a little bit more

fully

as you know the president mentioned

fulton county

but in some of these areas where there

seems to be

a difference of where

the facts seem to lead and so mr

secretary i was

hopeful that you know in a spirit of

cooperation and compromises or there's

something that

we can at least have a discussion to

look at some of these allegations

to to find a path forward that's less

litigious

well uh i've listened to

what the president has just said

president trump

uh we've had several lawsuits

and we've had to respond in court to the

lawsuits and the contentions

um we don't agree that you have one we

don't

i didn't agree about the 200 000 number

that you mentioned

and i go through that point by point

what we have done

is we gave our state senate about one

and a half hours of of our time going

through the election

issue by issue and then on the state

house

uh the government affairs committee we

gave them about two and a half hours of

our time

going back point by point on all the

issues of

contention and then uh just a few days

ago we met with

our u.s congressman republican

congressman

and we gave them about two hours of our

time uh talking about this past election

uh going back primarily what you're

what you've talked about here focused in

on primarily i believe is the absolute

about process

i don't believe that you're really

questioning the uh

the dominion machines because we did a

hand re-tally

a 100 re-tally of all the

ballots and compared that to what the

machine said and it came up with

virtually the same result

then we did the recount we got virtually

the same results so

i guess we could probably take that off

the table i don't think there's

an issue about that um i think

well not that there's not an issue

but because i we have a big issue with

dominion

and other states and perhaps in yours

but we have we haven't felt we needed to

go there

and just to you know maybe put a little

different spin on what mark is saying

mark meadows um yeah we'd

like to go further but we don't really

need to we have all the votes we need

you know we want to say

if you took these are the most minimal

numbers the numbers that i gave you

those are

numbers that are certified your absentee

ballots sent to vacant

addresses your your out-of-state voters

four thousand nine twenty-five you know

when you add them up

it's many more time it's many times the

eleven thousand

seven seventy-nine number so we could go

through we have not

gone through your dominion so we can't

give them blessing i mean

in other states we think we found

tremendous corruption with dominion

machines but we'll have to see

but but we we only lost

the safe by 11 by by that number 11 000

votes and uh 779 so

with that being said uh with just what

we have

and you know with just what we have

we're giving you minimum

minimum numbers we're doing the most

conservative numbers possible

we're many times many many times above

the

the margin and so we don't really have

to mark i don't think we have to go

through

right because because what's the

difference between

winning the election by two two votes

and winning it by

a half a million votes i think you

probably did win it by half of it

you know one of the things that happened

brad is we have other people coming in

now from alabama

and from south carolina and from other

states

and they're saying it's impossible for

you to have lost georgia

we want you know in alabama we set a

record got the highest vote ever

in uh georgia we set a record

with a massive amount of votes and they

say it's not possible

to have lost georgia and i could tell

you by our rallies i could tell you by

the rally i'm having on monday night the

place they already have lines of people

standing out front waiting

it's just not possible to have lost

georgia it's not possible

when i heard it was close i said there's

no way

but they dropped a lot of votes in there

late at night you know that brett

and that's what we are working on very

very stringently

but regardless of those votes with all

of it being said

we lost by uh 11 essentially 11 000

votes

and we have many more votes already

calculated

and certified too so i just don't know

you know

mark i don't know what's the purpose i i

won't give dominion a pass because we

found too many bad things but

we don't need dominion or anything else

we have we have all we have won this

election

in georgia based on all of this and

there's there's nothing wrong with

with saying that brad you know i mean

having the having a correct

if the people of georgia are angry and

these numbers are going to be repeated

on monday night

along with others that we're going to

have by that time which are much more

substantial even

and the people of georgia are angry the

people of the country are angry

and there's nothing wrong with saying

that you know uh

that you've recalculated because uh

the two thousand two thirty six and

absentee ballots i mean

they're all exact numbers that were were

done by accounting firms law firms etc

and even if you cut them in half cut

them in half and cut them in half again

it's more votes than we need

well mr president the challenge that you

have is the data you have is wrong

uh we we talked to the congressmen

and they were surprised but they uh i

guess there was a person named mr raynor

that came to these meetings and

presented data

and he said that there was dead people i

believe it was upward of five thousand

the actual number

were two two two people that were dead

that voted

and so that's wrong that was two well

plato how do you respond to that i mean

you tell me what

well i i would say mr secretary one of

the things that we have requested

and we did what we said was and if you

look at

this if you read our petition it says

that we took the name and birth years

and you know we had certain information

available to us

we have asked from your office for

records that only you

have and so we said there's a universe

of people who have the same name and

same birth year and died

but we don't have the records that you

have

and one of the things that we have been

suggesting

formally and informally for

weeks now is to try is for you to make

available

to us the records that would be

necessary

even before you do that even before you

do that

and not even including that that's why i

hardly even included that number

although in one state we have a

tremendous amount of dead people so i

don't know i'm sure we do in georgia too

i'm sure we do in georgia too but um

is that we're so far ahead

we're so far ahead of these numbers even

the phony ballots of

uh of ruby freeman known scammer

you know the internet you know what was

trending on the internet

where's ruby because they thought you'd

be in jail

where's ruby um it's uh

it's crazy it's crazy that was the

minimum number is 18 000

for ruby but they think it's probably

about 56 000. but the minimum number is

18 000. on the ruby

freeman night where she ran back in

there when everybody was gone and stuff

she stuffed the ballot boxes let's face

it brad i mean

they did it in slow motion replay

magnified right

she stuffed the ballot boxes they were

stuffed

like nobody's ever seen them stuffed

before so there's a term for it when

it's a machine instead of a ballot box

but

uh she stuffed the machine she stuffed

the ballot each

each ballot went three times they were

showing

here's ballot number one here it is the

second the third time

next ballot i mean look brad this is

we we have a new tape that we're going

to release it's devastating

and by the way that one event that one

event

is much more than the 11 000 votes that

we're talking about

it's uh you know that one event was a

a disaster uh it's it's just you know

but it was

it it was something that uh it can't be

disputed

yet again we have a version that you

haven't seen but it's

uh it's it's uh magnified

it's magnified and you can see every

everything

and she put for some reason they put it

in three times

each ballot and i don't know why but you

know why i don't know why three times

why not five times right

but uh yeah go ahead you're you're

talking about

the state farm video and i think it's

extremely unfortunate

that rudy giuliani or his people they

sliced and diced that video and took it

out of context

so the next day we brought in wsb tv and

we let them

show to see the full run of tape and

what you'll see

the events that transpired are nowhere

near what was pre

was uh projected by where were the poll

watchers brad there were no poll

watchers there there were no democrats

or republicans there was no security

there

it was late in the evening late in the

early in the morning

and there was nobody else in the room

where were the pole watches and

why did they say a water main broke

which they did and which is reported in

in the newspapers they said they left

they ran out because of a water main

break and there was no water main

there was nothing there was no break

there was no water main break

um but where if you if you take out

everything where were the republican

poll watchers even where were the

democrat paul watchers because there

were none

and then you say well they left their

station

you know if you look at the tape and

this was it this was reviewed by

professional

police and and detectives and and other

people

uh when they left in a rush everybody

left in a rush

because of the water main but everybody

left in a rush

these people left their station when

they came back

they didn't go to their station they

went

to the apron wrapped around the table

under which were thousands and thousands

of ballots

in a box that was not as an official or

a sealed box

and then they took those and they went

back to a different station

so if they would have come back they

would have walked

to their station and they would have

continued to work

but they couldn't do the even that

because that's illegal because they had

no

republican poll watchers and remember

her reputation is

is is she's known all over the internet

brett she's known all over it i'm

telling you where's

where's ruby was one of the hot items on

the

ruby they knew her where's ruby uh

so brad you know this there can be no

justification for that

and i i you know i give everybody the

benefit of the doubt

but that was and and brad why did they

put the uh votes in three times you know

they put them in three times mr

president they did not put that

we we can we did an audit of that and

we've proved conclusively that they were

not scanned three times

where was everybody else at that late

time in the morning

where was everybody where were the

republicans where were the security

guards

where were the people that were there

just a little while before

when everyone ran out of the room how

come how come we had no security in the

room

why did they run to the bottom of the

table

why did they run there and just open the

skirt and

rip out the uh and rip out the votes i

mean

brad and they were sitting there i think

for five hours or something like that

the most but they just all happened to

run back and go

you know brad yeah mr president we'll

send you the link from wsb that doesn't

i don't care about a link i don't need

it i have a lot of much better brand i

have a much

better list i will tell you i've seen

the tape

the full tape so has alex we've watched

it

and what we saw and what we've confirmed

in the timing is that they made

everybody leave

we have sworn after david saying that

and then they continue then they begin

to

process ballots and our estimate is

that there are roughly 18 000 ballots we

don't know that

if you know that it was 18 000 ballots

but they used each one

three times well i don't

but nobody can make a case for that

brett nobody i mean look that's

you'd have to be a child to think

anything other than that

just a child i mean you have you never

trump

attorneys how many ballots which is

right

then we had gti certainly investigate

that

we had our this is ryan germany we had

our law enforcement officers

talk to everyone uh who was who was

there after that event came to light

the gbi was with them as well as fbi

agents

well there's there's no way they could

buy then they're incompetent

they're they're either dishonest okay

there's only two answers dishonesty or

incompetence

there's just no way look there's no way

and on the other side

i said too there's no way i mean there's

no way that these things could have been

you know you have all these different

people that that voted but they don't

live in georgia anymore

uh what was that number clay that was a

pretty good number too

yeah the number who had registered out

of state

after they moved from georgia um

and so they they had a date when they

moved from georgia

they registered to vote out of state and

then it's like

4 500 i don't have that right in front

of me and then they came back in and

they voted

and voted no that was a large number

though it was in the 20s

and uh you know the point is going

through

each of those as well and and those

numbers that we got um

that miss mitchell was just saying

they're not accurate everyone we've been

through

are people that lived in georgia moved

to a different state

but then moved back to georgia

legitimately and in many cases

how many people do that i mean they

moved out and then they said how to help

with it i'll move back and you know

it doesn't sound like a very normal like

you mean they moved out

and what they missed it so much that

they wanted to move back in you know

it's like

it's great well and then this is they

moved back in years ago this was not

like something just before the election

so there's something about that data

that it's just not accurate well i don't

know we i mean

all i know is that it is it is certified

and

they moved out of georgia and they voted

it didn't say they moved back in plato

did it

no but i mean we look we're looking at

the voter register

again if you have additional records

we've been asking for that

but you haven't shared any of that with

us you just

keep saying you've been a lot of it you

don't need to be shared i mean to be

honest they should share it

they should share it because you want to

get to an honest election i won this

election by hundreds of thousands of

votes

there's no way i lost georgia there's no

way we won by hundreds of thousands of

votes

i'm just going by small numbers when you

add them up there many times the eleven

thousand but

but i won that state by hundreds of

thousands of us

now do you think it's possible that they

uh shredded

ballots in uh fulton county because

that's what the rumor is

and also that dominion took out machines

uh that dominion is really moving fast

to get rid of their

uh machinery do you know anything about

that

because that's illegal ryan germany no

dominion has not

um moved any machinery out of fulton

county we're having well but no but

but if they move have they have they

moved

the inner parts of the machines and

replaced them with other parts

no is yours ryan

i'm sure i'm sure mr president what

about what about the uh

what about the ballots the shredding of

the ballast

have they been shredding ballots no the

only investigation that we have into

that they have not been shredding any

ballots

there was an issue in cobb county where

they were doing normal

uh you know office shredding getting rid

of old stuff

and we investigated death but this is

stuff from you know past elections

it doesn't pass the smell test though

because we hear they're shredding

thousands and thousands of ballots

uh and now what they're saying oh we're

just cleaning up the office

you know i don't think that plays

mr president the problem you have with

social media they can

people can say you know no this isn't

social media this is trump media

it's not social media it's it's it's

really not it's not social media

i don't care about social but i couldn't

care less social media

is big tech big tech is on your side you

know i don't even know why you have a

side because

you should want to have an accurate

election

and you're a republican we believe but

we do have an accurate election

no i know you don't no no you know you

don't have

you don't have not even close you got

you're off by hundreds of thousands of

votes

and just on the small numbers you're off

on these numbers

and these numbers can't be just well why

won't

okay so you send us into cobb county for

uh signature verification right you send

this into cop county which we didn't

want to go into

uh and you said it would be open to the

public and we could have our

so we had our experts there they weren't

allowed into the room but we didn't want

cobb county we wanted fulton county

and you wouldn't give it to us now why

aren't we doing

signature and why can't it be open to

the public and why can't we have

professionals do it

instead of rank amateurs that will never

find anything and and don't want to find

anything they don't want to find you

know they don't want to find anything

someday you'll tell me the reason why

because i don't understand your

reasoning but someday you'll tell me the

reason why

but why don't you we chose

what sorry go ahead yeah why did

why okay so why did you do cop counting

we didn't even request we requested

fulton county not cobb county

we chose cobb county because that was

the only county where there's been any

evidence submitted

that the signature verification was not

properly done no but but

i told you but we're not we're not

saying that we are

we're the agreed party fulton county

look

stacy in my opinion stacy is as

dishonest as they come

she has outplayed you at every heart at

everything

she got you to sign a totally

unconstitutional

uh agreement which which is a disastrous

agreement

you can't check signatures you can't do

it i can't imagine

you're allowed to do harvesting i guess

in that agree that agreement is a

disaster for

for this country and but she got you

somehow to sign that thing

and she is a she's outsmarted you at

every step and i i hate to imagine

what's gonna happen

on monday or tuesday but it's very scary

to people

you know where the ballots flow in out

of nowhere it's very scary to people

that consent decree is a disaster it's a

disaster

a a very good lawyer who examined it

said they've never seen anything like it

and uh service thing is still illegal in

the state of georgia

and that settlement agreement did not

change that one

it's not a settlement agreement it's a

consent decree it even says consent

decree on it doesn't it

it uses the term consent decree it

doesn't say settlement agreement it's a

consent to create a disaster

it's a settlement agreement what's

what's written on top of it

ryan i don't i don't have it in front of

me but it was not entered by the court

it's not a court order

no it's it's called but ryan it's called

the consent decree is that right on the

paper is that right

i don't i i i don't i don't believe so

but i don't have it in front of me

okay whatever it's a disaster it's a

disaster

uh look here's the problem we can go

through

signature verification and we'll find

hundreds of thousands of signatures if

you let us do it

and the only way you can do it as you

know is to go to the past

but you didn't do that in cobb county

you just looked at one page compared to

another

the only way you can do a signature

verification is go from

the one that signed it into in

november whatever recently and compare

compared to two years ago

four years ago six years ago you know or

or even

one and you'll find that you have many

different signatures

but in in uh fulton

where they dump to ballots you will find

that you have many that aren't even

signed

and you have many that are forgeries

okay

you know that you know that you have no

doubt about that

and you will find you will be at 11

000 779 within minutes

because fulton county is totally corrupt

and so is she totally corrupt

and they're going around

playing you and laughing at you behind

your back brad

whether you know it or not they're

laughing at you

and you've taken a state that's a

republican state

and you've made it almost impossible for

a republican to win

because of cheating because they cheated

like nobody's ever cheated before

and i don't care how long it takes me

you know we're going to have other

states coming forward pretty good

but i won't this is never given this is

we have some incredible talent

said they've never seen anything now the

problem is they need more time for the

big numbers but they are very

substantial numbers

but and i think you're going to find

that they uh by the way

a little information i think you're

going gonna find that they are shredding

ballots

because they have to get rid of the

ballots because the ballots are unsigned

the ballots are

are corrupt

and they're brand new and they don't

have seals and there's a whole thing

with the ballots but

the ballots are corrupt and you're going

to find that they are

which is totally illegal it's it's it's

more illegal for you than it is for them

because you know what they did and

you're not reporting it that's a

you know that's a criminal that's a

criminal offense

and and you know you can't let that

happen that's that's a big risk

to you and to ryan your lawyers that's a

big risk

but they are shredding ballots in my

opinion

based on what i've heard and they are

removing machinery

uh and they're moving it as fast as they

can

both of which are criminal fines and you

can't let it happen and you are letting

it happen or you know i mean

i'm notifying you that you're letting it

happen

so look all i want to do is this i just

want to find

uh 11 780

votes which is one more that we have

because we won the state and flipping

the state

is a great testament to our country

because

you know and there's this there's just

it's a testament that they can admit to

a mistake or whatever you want to call

it if it was a mistake i don't know

a lot of people think it wasn't a

mistake it was much more

uh criminal than that but it's a big

problem in georgia and it's it's not a

problem that's going away

i mean you know it's not a problem

that's going away

and and we got it this is ryan we're

looking into every one of those things

that that you mentioned

um but if you find them you've got to

say it right

there right and then i'm going

to tell you what we are seeing go ahead

good we

what we're saying is not at all

what you're describing right these are

investigators from our office these are

investigators from

uh gbi um and they're looking and

they're good

and that's not what they're seeing and

we'll keep we'll we'll keep looking

we'll keep looking at all these things

well you better check on the ballots

because they are shredding ballots bro

i'm just telling you ryan they're

shredding ballots

and uh you should look at that very

carefully because that's so illegal

you know you may not even believe it

because it's so bad but but

they're shredding ballots because they

think we're going to eventually get

there because we'll eventually get into

fulton

you know it's in my opinion it's my

opinion it's never too late

so oh so oh little double uh

so um so that's the story

fellas i look we need only 11 000 votes

we have far

more than that as it stands now we'll

have

more and more uh and

do you have provisional ballots at all

uh brad

provisional ballots provisional ballots

are

allowed you know by state law sure but

you have them i mean are they counted or

did you just hold them back because they

you know in other words how many

provisional ballots do you have in the

state

we'll get you that number because uh

most of them are made out to the name

trump

because these are people that were

scammed when they came in

and we have thousands of people that

have testified or that want to testify

when they came in they were proudly

going to vote on november 3rd

and they were told i'm sorry you've

already been voted for

you've already voted the women men

started screaming no i proudly voted

till november third they said i'm sorry

but you already been voted for and you

have a ballot

and these people are beside themselves

so they went out and they filled in a

provisional ballot

putting the name trump on it and what

about that batch of military ballots

that came in and even though i won the

military by a lot

it was a hundred percent trump do you

know i mean 100

biden do you know about that a large

group of ballots came in i think it was

the fulton county

and they just happened to be a hundred

percent for trump even though

even though trump won the military by a

lot

you know a tremendous amount but these

ballots were 100

forbidden and you know about that a very

substantial number came in

all for bud

does anybody know about it i know about

it but we were never

well okay clean away i'm not asking you

tolena honestly

i'm asking i'm asking brad you know

about the military ballots that we have

confirmed now do you know about the

military ballots that came in that were

uh a hundred percent i mean a hundred

percent for biden do you know about that

and i don't know about that i do know

that um we have

when when military ballots come in it's

not just military it's also military and

overseas citizens the military

part of that does generally go

republican the overseas citizen part of

it

generally goes very democrat no but this

was

you're next yeah that's okay but i get i

got like 78

in the military these ballots were all

for this this they were

they didn't tell me overseas could be

overseas too but i get votes overseas

too ryan you know in all fairness

no they came in a large batch came in

and it was

quote uh 100 for biden

and that is criminal you know that's

criminal

okay that's another criminal that's

another of the many criminal events

many criminal events here um

i don't know look brad i gotta get i

have to find

twelve thousand votes and i have them

times

a lot and therefore i won the state

that's before we go to the next step

which is in the process of right now

you know and i watched you this morning

and you said

uh well there was no criminality but i i

mean all of this stuff is

is very dangerous stuff when you talk

about no criminality i think it's very

dangerous

for you to say that i just i just don't

know why

you don't want to have the votes counted

as they are like even you when you went

and did that check and i was surprised

because you know i didn't consider

the check and we found a few thousand

votes that were

against me i was actually surprised

because the way that check was done

all you you're doing is we you know

recertifying

existing votes and you know

you were given votes and you just

counted them up and you still found

three thousand that were bad

that was sort of surprising that came

down three or five

i don't know a lot it was still a lot of

votes but but

you have to go back to check from past

years

with respect to uh signatures

and if you check with fulton county

you'll have hundreds of thousands

because they dumped

ballots into fulton county and the other

county next to it

so what so what are we going to do here

folks i only need 11 000 votes

fellas i need 11 000 votes give me a

break

uh you know we have that in spades

already

or we can keep it going but that's not

fair to the voters of georgia because

they're going to see what happened

and they're going to see what happened i

mean i'll

i'll take on anybody you want with

regard to ruby freeman and her lovely

daughter

a very lovely young lady i'm sure but

ruby friedman i i will take freeman

i will take on anybody you want and the

the minimum

there were 18 000 ballots but they used

them three times so that's

you know a lot of votes uh

and that one event and they were all

dividing by the way that's the other

thing we didn't say

you know the uh ruby friedman one thing

i forgot to say which was the most

important

you know that every single ballot she

did went to biden you know that right

do you know that by the way brett

every single ballot that she did through

the machine

at uh early early in the morning

went to biden did you know that ryan

that's not accurate mr president huh

what is accurate

the numbers that we are showing are

accurate

um no about ruby freeman about about

early in the morning ryan when the woman

took the you know when the whole gang

took the stuff out of the

from under the table right do you know

that though do you know who those

ballots you know who they were made out

to do you know who they were voting for

no not specifically did you ever check

we we we did what i described the orange

no no no did you ever check the ballots

that were scammed by ruby freeman known

a known uh political operative uh

balloter did you ever check who those

votes were for

we've looked into that situation that

you described no they were 100

forbidden

100 percent there wasn't a trump vote in

the whole group

why don't you want to find this right

what's wrong with you i heard that i

heard

your lawyer is very difficult actually

but i'm sure you're a good lawyer

you have a nice last name but but i'm

just curious

why wouldn't why why do you keep

fighting this thing

it just doesn't make sense we're way

over the

17779 right

we're way over that number and

just if you took just ruby freeman

we're over that number by five five or

six times when you multiply it out times

three

uh and every single ballot went to

biden and

and you didn't know that but now you

know it

so so tell me brad what are we going to

do

we won the election and it's not fair to

take it away from us like this

and it's going to be very costly in many

ways

and i think you have to say that you're

going to re-examine it and

you can re-examine it but but re-examine

it with people that

want to find answers not people that

don't want to find answers

for instance i'm hearing ryan and he's

probably

i'm sure a great lawyer and everything

but he's making statements about

those ballots that he doesn't know but

he's making him with such

he he did make him with surety but now i

think he's less sure because the answer

is they all went to biden

and that alone wins us the election

by a lot you know

mr president you have people that submit

information

and we have our people that submit

information

and then it comes before the court and

the court then has to make a

determination

we have to stand by our numbers we

believe our numbers are right

why do you say that though i don't know

i mean sure we can play this game with

the courts

but why do you say that first of all

they don't even assign us a judge

they don't even assign us a judge uh

but why wouldn't you if hey brad

why wouldn't you want to check out ruby

freeman

and why wouldn't you want to say hey if

if in fact

president trump is right about that then

he wins the state of georgia just that

one incident alone without going through

hundreds of thousands of drop ballots

you just say you stick by you i mean

i've been watching you for

you know you don't care about anything

your numbers are right

but your numbers aren't right they're

really wrong and they're really wrong

brad

and i know this phone call's going

nowhere other than

other than ultimately you know

look ultimately i win okay because mr

secretary

you guys are so wrong and you've treated

this you've treated the population of

georgia so badly

you between you and your governor who

wouldn't who was down at 21

he was down 21 points and like a schmuck

i

endorsed him and got he got elected but

uh

i will tell you he's a disaster and

he'll never

i can't imagine the people are so angry

in georgia i can't imagine

he's ever getting elected again i'll

tell you that much right now

but but why wouldn't you want to find

the right answer brad instead of

keep saying that the numbers are right

because those numbers are so wrong

mr secretary mr president i mean one of

the things that

we have been alex can talk about this

we've talked about it

and i don't know whether the information

has been conveyed to

your office but i think what the

president's saying

what we've been trying to do is to say

look the court is not

acting on our petition they haven't even

assigned a judge

but the people of georgia and the people

of america have a right to know

the answers and you have data and

records that we don't have access to

and you keep telling us and making

public statements

that you've investigated this and you

know nothing to see here

but we don't know about that all we know

is what you tell us

what i don't understand is why it

wouldn't be in everyone's best interest

to um to try to

get to the bottom compare the numbers

you know if you say

because if to try to be able to get to

the truth and that we because

we don't have any way of confirming

what you're telling us you tell us that

you've had an investigation of the state

farm arena

i i don't have any report i've never

seen a reported investigation i don't

know what that is

i've been pretty involved in this i

don't know and that's just

one of like 25 categories

and it doesn't even and and as i as the

president said we haven't even

gotten into the dominion issue that's

not part of our case it's not part of

we we just didn't feel as though we had

any way

to be able to develop no we do have a

way but i don't want to get into it

have we found a way in other states

later excuse me but we don't need it

because we're only down 11 000 votes so

we don't even need it

i personally think they're corrupt as

hell but we don't need that

because all we have to do later is find

11 000 plus votes

so we don't need that i'm not looking to

to shake up the whole world we want

georgia easily

we want to buy hundreds of thousands of

votes but if you go by

basic simple numbers we want it easily

easily

so we're not giving uh dominion a pass

on the record

right exactly but we just don't you know

we don't need dominion because we have

so many other votes

that we don't need to prove it any more

than we already have

mr president this is kurt hillberg if i

might

come back here for a moment um ryan uh i

would like to suggest

that just four categories that have

already been mentioned by the president

uh that have actually hard numbers of 24

149 votes that were counted illegally

that in and of itself is sufficient to

change the results or place the outcome

in doubt

um we would like to just sit down with

your office and we can do it through

purposes of compromise compromising

settlement just like this phone call

just to deal with that limited category

of votes

and if you were able to establish that

our numbers are not accurate

then fine however we believe that they

are accurate we've had

now three to four separate experts look

at these numbers

these numbers are based upon the usb and

certified certified accountants looked

at them

correct and this is just based on usps

data and your own secretary of state

data

so that's what we would entreat and ask

you to do to sit down with us

in a compromise and settlements you know

proceeding and actually go through the

registered voter ids and the

registrations

and if you can convince us that that 24

149 is inaccurate then fine

but we we tend to believe that that is

you know obviously more than 11

779 that's sufficient to change the

results entirely in and of itself so

what would you say to that mr germany

kurt um i'm happy to

i'll give with our lawyers and we'll set

that up um

that number is not accurate and i think

we can show you for all the ones we've

looked at

uh why it's not uh and so if that

that would be helpful i'm happy to keep

with our lawyers and set that up with

you guys

well let me kurt you think that is an

accurate number

that was based on the information given

to you by the secretary of state's

department right

that that is correct that that

information is the minimum most

conservative data

based upon the usps data and the

secretary of state's office data

that has been made publicly available we

do not have the internal numbers from

the secretary of state

yet we have asked for it six times i've

sent a letter over to mr anolewitz

several times uh requesting this

information and it's been rebuffed every

single time so

it stands to reason that if the

information is not worth company

forthcoming there's something to hide

that's the problem that we have

well that's not the case there are

things that that you guys are

are entitled to get and there's things

that under law we are not allowed

to give out well you have to well under

law you're not allowed to give

faulty election results okay you're not

allowed to do that and that's what

you've done

this is a faulty election result and

honestly

this should go very fast you should meet

tomorrow because you have a big election

election coming up and because of what

you've done to the president you know

the people of uh

georgia know that this was a scam and

because of what you've done to the

president a lot of people aren't going

out to vote

and a lot of republicans are going to

vote negative because they hate what you

did to the president

okay they hate him and they're going to

vote and if you would be

respected if really respected if this

thing could be straightened out

before the election you have a big

election coming up on tuesday

and therefore i think that it really is

important that you meet tomorrow and

work out on these numbers

because i know brad that if if you think

we're right i think you're going to say

and and i'm not looking to blame anybody

i'm not blaming i'm just saying that

you know you know under new counts and

under new uh

views of of the election results we won

the election

it's all you know it's very simple we

won the election

as the governor of major states and the

surrounding states said

there is no way you lost georgia as the

georgia politicians

say there is no way you lost georgia

nobody everyone knows i want to buy

hundreds of thousands of votes

but i'll tell you it's going to have a

big impact on tuesday if you guys don't

get this thing straightened out fast

well mr president this is mark let me uh

let me just it sounds like we've got

uh two different sides agreeing that

we can look at those those areas and

and i assume that we can do that within

the next 24

to 48 hours to go ahead and get that

reconciled so that we can look at the

two claims

and making sure that we get the access

to the secretary of state's data

to either validate or invalidate the

claims that have been made is that

correct

so that's that's not what i said um i'm

happy to you know sit down with or have

our lawyers sit down with curtin

and and the lawyers on on that side and

explain to him hey here's

based on what we've looked at so far

here's how we know

this is wrong this is wrong this is

wrong this is wrong this is wrong

what you're saying ryan hold on let me

let me make sure so what you're saying

is you really don't want to give access

to the data

you just want to make another case on

why

the lawsuit is wrong i don't think we

i don't think we can give access to data

that's protected by law

but we can sit down with them and say

you're allowed to have a phony election

you're allowed to have a phony election

right no sir

what are you what are you going to do

the signature counts on when are you

going to do signature verification on

fulton county which you said you were

going to do and now all of a sudden

you're not doing it when are you doing

that

mr president we've announced to get to

this issue of the

personal information and privacy issue

um

is it possible that the secretary of

state could deputize the lawyers

for the president so that we could

access that information that private

information without you having any kind

of violation

well i don't want to know who it is you

guys can do it very confidentially you

can sign a confidentiality agreement

that's okay i don't need to know names

all right but we got the information on

this stuff that we're talking about

we got all that information from the

secretary of state

yeah so let me let me recommend uh ryan

if you and kurt will get together and

you know when we get off of this phone

call if you could get together

and work out uh a plan to

to address uh some of what we've we've

got with your attorneys

where we can we can actually look at the

data

uh uh for example uh mr secretary i i

can tell you you said there was only two

dead people that would vote uh i i can

promise you there are more than that uh

and that may be what your investigation

shows but i can promise you there are

more than that

but at the same time i think it's

important that we go ahead and move

expeditiously to try to do this and

resolve it as quickly as we possibly can

and uh and if that's the good next step

hopefully we can we can uh

finish this phone call and go ahead and

agree that the two of you will get

together immediately

but why don't my lawyer show you where

you got the information it'll show the

secretary of state

and you don't even have to look at any

names we don't want names we don't care

but we got that information from you

and stacy abrams is laughing about you

know she's going around saying these

guys are dumber than a rock

what she's done to this party is

unbelievable i tell you

and i only ran against her once and that

was with a guy named brian

kemp and i beat her and if i didn't run

brian wouldn't have had even a shot

either in the general or in the primary

he was dead dead at a door nail he never

thought he had a shot at either one of

them

what a schmuck i was but that's the way

it is

that's the way it is uh i would like you

to

uh uh for the attorneys or i'd like you

to

perhaps meet with ryan ideally tomorrow

because i think we should come to a

resolution of this before the election

otherwise you could have

you're going to have people just not

voting they don't want to vote they

hate the state they hate the governor

and they hate the secretary of state

i will tell you that right now and the

only people that like you are people

that will never vote

for you you know that brad right they

like you you know

they like you they can't believe what

they found they want more people like

you

so look uh can you get together tomorrow

and brad we just want the truth

it's simple and uh

and everyone's gonna look very good if

the truth comes out it's okay it takes a

little while but

let the truth come out and the truth the

real truth is i won by 400 000 votes at

least

that's the real truth but we don't need

400 000 votes we need

less than 2 000 votes and

are you guys able to meet tomorrow ryan

um i'll get with chris the lawyer who's

representing us

in the case uh and see when he can get

together with kurt

all right ryan will be in touch with

that the other attorney on this call

mr meadows thank you president trump for

your time

okay thank you brad thank you ryan thank

you thank you everybody

thank you thank you thank you very much

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