Racism has a cost for everyone
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0:01 - 0:03I am a public policy wonk.
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0:03 - 0:08I investigate data that points to problems
in the American economy -- -
0:08 - 0:11problems like rising household debt,
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0:11 - 0:13declining wages and benefits,
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0:13 - 0:15shortfalls in public revenue.
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0:16 - 0:18And I try to pinpoint solutions
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0:18 - 0:21to make our economy
more prosperous for more people. -
0:23 - 0:26I geek out about tax policy
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0:26 - 0:28and infrastructure investments,
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0:28 - 0:30and I get really excited
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0:30 - 0:33by a gracefully designed
regulatory regime. -
0:33 - 0:35(Laughter)
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0:35 - 0:38These are the kinds of topics
that I was talking about -
0:38 - 0:44on a public television
live call-in show in August of 2016. -
0:44 - 0:46I was about halfway through the program
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0:46 - 0:48when a man called in,
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0:48 - 0:51identified as Gary from North Carolina
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0:51 - 0:52and he said ...
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0:53 - 0:56"I'm a white male, and I'm prejudiced."
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0:59 - 1:03He then went on to detail his prejudice,
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1:03 - 1:06talking about black men and gangs
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1:06 - 1:08and drugs and crime.
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1:09 - 1:12But then he said something
that I'll never forget. -
1:13 - 1:15He said, "But I want to change.
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1:16 - 1:21And I want to know what I can do
to become a better American." -
1:23 - 1:26Now remember, my career
is about economic policy, -
1:26 - 1:29as translated into dollars and cents
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1:29 - 1:31not personal thoughts and feelings.
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1:32 - 1:36But when I opened my mouth
to respond to this man on live television, -
1:36 - 1:39the most surprising words came out.
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1:39 - 1:40I said ...
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1:41 - 1:42"Thank you."
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1:43 - 1:46I thanked him for admitting his prejudice,
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1:46 - 1:48for wanting to change
and for knowing, somehow, -
1:48 - 1:51that that would make him
a better American. -
1:53 - 1:56The exchange between Gary
and me went viral. -
1:57 - 1:59It's been viewed over eight million times
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1:59 - 2:03and inspired waves
of social media commentary -
2:03 - 2:04and news coverage.
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2:05 - 2:08And I think people were surprised
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2:08 - 2:10that a black woman
would show such compassion -
2:11 - 2:12for a prejudiced white man,
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2:12 - 2:15and they were surprised
that a white man would admit his bias -
2:15 - 2:17on national television.
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2:18 - 2:22Not long after Gary and my viral moment,
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2:22 - 2:24we met in person.
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2:24 - 2:27He said that he had taken my advice.
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2:27 - 2:32He said that my words had been
like someone wiped the dust from a window -
2:32 - 2:33and let the light in.
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2:35 - 2:38Over the years,
Gary and I have become friends. -
2:38 - 2:41And Gary would tell you
that I've taught him a lot -
2:41 - 2:44about systemic racism in America
and public policy. -
2:45 - 2:47But I've learned a lot from Gary, too.
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2:48 - 2:49And the biggest lesson for me
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2:49 - 2:55has been that Gary's prejudice
has caused him to suffer. -
2:56 - 2:58Fear, anxiety, isolation.
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3:00 - 3:01And it's made me rethink
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3:01 - 3:04many of the economic problems
I've been focusing on -
3:04 - 3:06my entire career.
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3:07 - 3:08I wondered,
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3:09 - 3:14is it possible that our society's racism
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3:14 - 3:19has likewise been backfiring
on the very same people -
3:19 - 3:22set up to benefit from privilege?
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3:24 - 3:25Driven by this question,
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3:25 - 3:28I've spent the past few years
traveling the country, -
3:28 - 3:30researching and writing a book.
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3:31 - 3:33My conclusion?
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3:34 - 3:37Racism leads to bad policymaking.
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3:38 - 3:40It's making our economy worse.
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3:41 - 3:45And not just in ways
that disadvantage people of color. -
3:46 - 3:49It turns out it's not a zero sum.
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3:49 - 3:53Racism is bad for white people, too.
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3:56 - 3:58Take, for example,
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3:58 - 4:02America's underinvestment
in our public goods, -
4:02 - 4:05the things that we all need,
that we share in common -- -
4:05 - 4:08our schools and roads and bridges.
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4:08 - 4:10Our infrastructure gets a D plus
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4:10 - 4:13from the American Society
of Civil Engineers, -
4:13 - 4:17and we invest less per capita
than almost every other advanced nation. -
4:17 - 4:19But it wasn't always this way.
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4:20 - 4:22I traveled to Montgomery, Alabama,
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4:22 - 4:27and there, I saw how racism
can destroy a public good -
4:27 - 4:29and the public will to support it.
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4:30 - 4:32In the 1930s and '40s,
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4:32 - 4:36the United States went on a nationwide
building boom of public amenities -
4:36 - 4:39funded by tax dollars,
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4:39 - 4:43which in Montgomery, Alabama,
included the Oak Park pool, -
4:43 - 4:46which was the grandest one for miles.
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4:46 - 4:49You know, back then,
people didn't have air conditioners, -
4:49 - 4:53and so they spent their hot summer days
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4:53 - 4:57in a steady rotation
of sunning and splashing -
4:57 - 5:00and then cooling off
under a ring of nearby trees. -
5:01 - 5:03It was the meeting place for the town.
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5:04 - 5:07Except the Oak Park pool,
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5:07 - 5:10though it was funded
by all of Montgomery citizens, -
5:10 - 5:12was for whites only.
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5:13 - 5:17When a federal court
finally deemed this unconstitutional, -
5:17 - 5:20the reaction of the town
council was swift. -
5:20 - 5:25Effective January 1, 1959,
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5:25 - 5:29they decided they would
drain the public pool -
5:30 - 5:32rather than let black families swim, too.
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5:37 - 5:40This destruction of public goods
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5:40 - 5:43was replicated across the country
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5:43 - 5:45in towns not just in the South.
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5:46 - 5:49Towns closed their public parks,
pools and schools, -
5:49 - 5:52all in response to desegregation orders,
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5:52 - 5:54all throughout the 1960s.
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5:54 - 5:58In Montgomery, they shut down
the entire Parks Department -
5:58 - 5:59for a decade.
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5:59 - 6:01They closed the recreation centers,
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6:01 - 6:04they even sold off the animals in the zoo.
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6:07 - 6:11Today, you can walk
the grounds of Oak Park, as I did, -
6:11 - 6:13but very few people do.
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6:14 - 6:16They never rebuilt the pool.
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6:17 - 6:20Racism has a cost for everyone.
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6:23 - 6:27I remember having that same thought
on September 15, 2008, -
6:27 - 6:30when I learned the breaking news
that Lehman Brothers was collapsing. -
6:31 - 6:33Now Lehman was,
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6:33 - 6:37like the other financial firms
that would go under in the coming days, -
6:37 - 6:41done in by overexposure
to a toxic financial instrument -
6:41 - 6:44based on something
that used to be simple and safe -- -
6:44 - 6:46a 30-year fixed-rate home loan.
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6:47 - 6:51But the mortgages at the center
and the root of the financial crisis -
6:51 - 6:54had strange new terms.
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6:54 - 6:58And they were developed
and aggressively marketed for years -
6:58 - 7:02in black and brown
middle-class communities, -
7:02 - 7:05like the one that I visited
when I met a homeowner named Glenn. -
7:07 - 7:09Glenn had owned a home
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7:09 - 7:12on a leafy street in the Mount Pleasant
neighborhood of Cleveland -
7:12 - 7:14for over a decade.
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7:14 - 7:17But when I met him,
he was near foreclosure. -
7:18 - 7:20Like nearly all of his neighbors,
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7:20 - 7:21he'd received a knock on the door
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7:21 - 7:24from a broker promising
to refinance his mortgage. -
7:24 - 7:29But what the broker didn't tell him
was that this was a new kind of mortgage. -
7:29 - 7:32A mortgage with an inflated interest rate,
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7:32 - 7:34and a balloon payment
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7:34 - 7:37and a prepayment penalty
if he tried to get out of it. -
7:39 - 7:42Now, the common misperception,
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7:42 - 7:44then and still today,
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7:44 - 7:49is that people like Glenn were buying
properties they couldn't afford. -
7:50 - 7:53That they themselves were risky borrowers.
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7:54 - 7:59I saw how this stereotype
made it harder for policymakers -
7:59 - 8:02to see the crisis for what it was
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8:02 - 8:05back when we still had time to stop it.
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8:06 - 8:07But that's all it was.
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8:07 - 8:09A stereotype.
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8:09 - 8:15The majority of subprime mortgages
went to people who had good credit, -
8:15 - 8:16like Glenn.
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8:16 - 8:20And African Americans and Latinos
were three times as likely -- -
8:20 - 8:22even if they had good credit --
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8:22 - 8:25than white people,
to get sold these toxic loans. -
8:25 - 8:27The problem wasn't the borrower --
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8:27 - 8:29the problem was the loan.
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8:32 - 8:34After the crash,
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8:34 - 8:39most of the nation's big lenders,
from Wells Fargo to Countrywide, -
8:39 - 8:42would go on to be fined
for racial discrimination. -
8:43 - 8:45But that realization came too late.
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8:46 - 8:49These loans, superprofitable
for the lenders -
8:49 - 8:51but designed to fail for the borrowers,
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8:51 - 8:53spread out past the confines
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8:53 - 8:55of black and brown
neighborhoods like Glenn's -
8:55 - 8:59and into the wider,
whiter mortgage market. -
9:01 - 9:04All of the nation's big Wall Street firms
bet on these loans. -
9:04 - 9:05At its peak,
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9:05 - 9:09one out of every five mortgages
in the country was in this mold, -
9:09 - 9:11and the crisis,
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9:11 - 9:15the crisis that my colleagues
and I saw coming ... -
9:16 - 9:18would go on to cost us all.
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9:19 - 9:23Nineteen trillion in lost wealth.
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9:25 - 9:28Pensions, home equity, savings.
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9:28 - 9:32Eight million jobs vanished.
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9:34 - 9:37A home-ownership rate
that has never recovered. -
9:39 - 9:44My years of advocating in vain
for homeowners like Glenn -
9:44 - 9:46left me convinced:
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9:46 - 9:51we would not have had a financial crisis
if it weren't for racism. -
9:54 - 9:56In 2017, I traveled to Mississippi,
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9:57 - 10:02where a group of auto-factory workers
was trying to organize into a union. -
10:02 - 10:04Now the benefits they were fighting for --
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10:04 - 10:06higher pay, better health care coverage,
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10:06 - 10:08a real pension --
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10:08 - 10:10they would have helped
everybody at the plant. -
10:10 - 10:13But in person after person
that I talked to -- -
10:13 - 10:17white, black, for the union,
against the union -- -
10:17 - 10:19race kept coming up.
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10:20 - 10:23A white man named Joey put it this way.
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10:23 - 10:24He said,
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10:24 - 10:29"White workers think I ain't voting yes
if the blacks are voting yes. -
10:29 - 10:32If the blacks are for it, I'm against it."
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10:33 - 10:36A white man named Chip told me,
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10:36 - 10:39"The idea is that if you
uplift black people, -
10:39 - 10:41you're downing white people."
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10:41 - 10:44It's like the world's got
this crab-in-a-barrel mentality. -
10:45 - 10:48Now, the union vote failed.
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10:49 - 10:54Wages at the plant are still lower
than their unionized peers', -
10:54 - 10:57and people there still worry
about their health care. -
10:58 - 11:01You know, it's tempting, perhaps,
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11:01 - 11:04to focus on the prejudiced attitudes
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11:04 - 11:08of the men and the workers
that I heard in Mississippi. -
11:08 - 11:11But I'm more interested
in holding accountable -
11:11 - 11:14the people who are selling
racist ideas for their profit -
11:15 - 11:17than those who are desperate
enough to buy it. -
11:19 - 11:21My travels also took me to places
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11:21 - 11:25where I saw, however,
that it doesn't have to be this way. -
11:25 - 11:28I went to Maine,
the whitest state in the nation, -
11:28 - 11:29the oldest,
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11:29 - 11:32where there are more deaths
every year than births, -
11:32 - 11:37and I went to this dying
mill town called Lewiston -
11:37 - 11:40that is being revitalized by new people --
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11:40 - 11:43mostly African, mostly Muslim,
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11:43 - 11:45immigrants and refugees.
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11:45 - 11:47There, I met a woman named Cecile,
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11:47 - 11:51whose parents had been part
of the last wave of new people -
11:51 - 11:52to come to Lewiston.
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11:52 - 11:55These are French-Canadian millworkers
at the turn of the century. -
11:56 - 12:00Cecile is retired, but she had found
a new purpose in life, -
12:00 - 12:03by organizing Congolese refugees
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12:04 - 12:08to join with the white retirees
at the Franco Heritage Center. -
12:08 - 12:09(Laughter)
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12:09 - 12:12These men and women from the Congo
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12:12 - 12:15were helping these retirees
remember the French -
12:16 - 12:18that they hadn't spoken
since their childhoods. -
12:20 - 12:24And together, these two communities
helped each other feel at home. -
12:26 - 12:27You know, for all the political talk
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12:27 - 12:31about the newcomers
being a drain on the town, -
12:31 - 12:36a bipartisan think tank found
that the local refugee community there -
12:36 - 12:39created 40 million dollars in tax revenue,
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12:39 - 12:41and 130 million in income.
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12:41 - 12:43And I talked to the town administrator,
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12:43 - 12:46who was boasting about the fact
that Lewiston was building a new school, -
12:46 - 12:49when all the rest of towns
like theirs in Maine -
12:49 - 12:51was closing them.
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12:51 - 12:56You know, it costs us so much
to remain divided. -
12:56 - 12:58This zero-sum thinking,
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12:58 - 13:01that's what's good for one group
has to come at the expense of another, -
13:01 - 13:04it's what's gotten us into this mess.
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13:04 - 13:07I believe it's time to reject
that old paradigm -
13:07 - 13:10and realize that our fates are linked.
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13:11 - 13:15An injury to one is an injury to all.
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13:18 - 13:20You know, we have a choice.
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13:21 - 13:26Our nation was founded
on a belief in a hierarchy of human value. -
13:27 - 13:31But we are about to be a country
with no racial majority. -
13:32 - 13:36So we can keep pretending
like we're not all on the same team. -
13:37 - 13:39We can keep sabotaging our success
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13:39 - 13:42and hamstringing our own players.
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13:42 - 13:48Or we can let the proximity
of so much difference -
13:48 - 13:50reveal our common humanity.
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13:51 - 13:55And we can finally invest
in our greatest asset. -
13:56 - 13:57Our people.
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13:58 - 13:59All of our people.
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14:01 - 14:02Thank you.
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14:02 - 14:08(Applause)
- Title:
- Racism has a cost for everyone
- Speaker:
- Heather C. McGhee
- Description:
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Racism makes our economy worse -- and not just in ways that harm people of color, says public policy expert Heather C. McGhee. From her research and travels across the US, McGhee shares startling insights into how racism fuels bad policymaking and drains our economic potential -- and offers a crucial rethink on what we can do to create a more prosperous nation for all. "Our fates are linked," she says. "It costs us so much to remain divided."
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- English
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