Slavery in Italy? A DW Documentary
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0:01 - 0:02The foreman pushes you.
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0:02 - 0:04He sees tomatoes on the ground
and screams, -
0:05 - 0:06"Pick them up!"
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0:10 - 0:16If there are any left over he gets angry,
he pushes and slaps you. -
0:17 - 0:21He hurts you, he doesn't respect you.
That is slavery. -
0:22 - 0:24Slavery, not just exploitation.
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0:27 - 0:31Exploitation is unfair wages, but if they
push you, -
0:31 - 0:35if you work in the full sun,
if you can't speak out, -
0:35 - 0:40you don't have papers and you sleep in
ghettos - that's slavery. -
0:40 - 0:43Modern day slavery does not require
chains. -
0:44 - 0:46What is happening here is slavery.
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0:48 - 0:54Slavery in Italy
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0:55 - 0:58A report by
Katrin Sandmann and Fritz Schapp -
1:02 - 1:07Yvan Sagnet refers to the over 400,000
african and eastern-workers -
1:07 - 1:11that work in the Italian agriculture
industry as slaves. -
1:12 - 1:14This man from Cameroon used to be
one of them. -
1:15 - 1:19Today, I fight for their rights
against mafia-like unfair competition, -
1:19 - 1:22abuse of power and exploitation
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1:26 - 1:30Sañe wants to send the exploiters
to prison and put an end -
1:30 - 1:33to the inhumane living condiitons
of these workers. -
1:37 - 1:40These are typical living conditions
for the immigrants. -
1:42 - 1:48They use the fireplace for everything as
there's no power, light or running water. -
1:48 - 1:50Nothing at all.
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1:53 - 1:57But they improvise; they use the fireplace
to heat and cook. -
1:58 - 2:02This is used as a table.
There's not even any oil. -
2:03 - 2:05And these are the plates they eat off.
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2:18 - 2:21Look, there are eight mattresses.
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2:23 - 2:2540 people may sleep here.
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2:27 - 2:28See them?
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2:28 - 2:31They put 40 people in this room.
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2:45 - 2:48Plaster may fall on them as
they sleep -
2:49 - 2:51and it's too cold.
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2:52 - 2:55There's no glass in the windows. They're
covered with a metal sheet. -
2:59 - 3:01The immigrants have to buy
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3:01 - 3:03almost everything they need to survive
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3:03 - 3:06from intermediaries called foremen.
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3:07 - 3:10Sometimes they come from the same
countries as the workers. -
3:11 - 3:14For a rotten mattress, they ask
for 10 euros. -
3:20 - 3:27Italians live in that yellow house.
No foreigners, Italians. -
3:28 - 3:30But they get on with the foremen.
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3:31 - 3:35It's the only house in the area with
running water and power. -
3:36 - 3:40The ones who live here have to go there
to charge their phones, for example. -
3:41 - 3:42Because there's nothing here.
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3:43 - 3:48And they charge 50 cents for each charge
and €1 or €1.50 to have a wash. -
3:56 - 4:00It makes me cry. I am so disgusted
when I see that there are -
4:00 - 4:04people who have to live in these
conditions in 21st century Italy. -
4:08 - 4:11It's horrible, it's dreadful, and everyone
knows it. -
4:13 - 4:17Everyone knows it but they don't care
because it's about immigrants. -
4:19 - 4:21They treat immigrants like animals.
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4:22 - 4:23They only want them to work so
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4:23 - 4:27the farmers' and politicians' businesses
make money. -
4:27 - 4:29They aren't considered human.
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4:32 - 4:35This is Italy, welcome to Italy.
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4:47 - 4:52The immigrants that live here are totally
controlled by the foremen -
4:52 - 4:55who are organised like a kind of mafia.
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4:55 - 4:59When the farmers need labour
for the fields, -
4:59 - 5:03they call the intermediaries who abuse
their power -
5:03 - 5:06to exploit and control the migrants.
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5:09 - 5:12And they can do it because they live
alongside them in the ghettos. -
5:21 - 5:25The regions of Apulia and Basilicata in
the south of Italy -
5:25 - 5:28are the country's biggest vegetable
producers. -
5:28 - 5:3330% of Italian tomatoes are harvested
in Apulia alone. -
5:34 - 5:39The large ghettos are often found
in the isolated areas -
5:39 - 5:41which surround the fields.
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5:44 - 5:48Cities of misery grow there.
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5:50 - 5:55If we go in, we'll have to use a hidden
camera. Put the big camera down. -
6:05 - 6:10The foremen don't like camaras.
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6:10 - 6:13They'd show their illegal business.
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6:18 - 6:24And the immigrants are ashamed to be seen
living in the ghettos. -
6:24 - 6:26They are ashamed to be recorded.
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6:26 - 6:29They'd be ashamed if peopleback home
could see them like this. -
6:30 - 6:35Because every time they speak to friends
and family, they tell a completely -
6:35 - 6:39different story, where they are lawyers
or work in an office. -
6:39 - 6:42They lie simply because they're ashamed
to admit -
6:42 - 6:44what their life is really like.
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6:50 - 6:53During the harvest, more than
3,000 people live here. -
6:53 - 6:56Most of them are from Africa.
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6:56 - 7:01They are people who arrived on the
coasts of Italy decades ago, -
7:01 - 7:05the immigrants who Europe has been
abandoning to Italy for years. -
7:05 - 7:08Some have papers. Others are illegal.
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7:12 - 7:16The Italian government looks the other way
because without cheap labour, -
7:16 - 7:19the harvests would go to waste.
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7:20 - 7:24There's rubbish everywhere,
it attracts flies and mosquitos. -
7:27 - 7:31In these ghettos, there's neither
rubbish collection nor laws. -
7:31 - 7:36This land, where the strongest rule,
is dangerous for Yvan. -
7:36 - 7:40He suspects this is where the
death threats are coming from. -
7:40 - 7:45The foremen who live here know
that he's their most determined enemy. -
7:45 - 7:51Yvan has spent years gathering proof of
their illegal behaviour in these fields. -
7:51 - 7:55He's looking for witnesses and
identifying criminals. -
7:55 - 7:58That's why he knows many of the
inhabitants and their stories, -
7:58 - 8:01like the one of this man from Sudan.
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8:01 - 8:03He fled to Italy 20 years ago.
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8:14 - 8:18His European dream ended in a hut
where he sells second hand clothes. -
8:21 - 8:24His customers are refugees from
all around the world. -
8:28 - 8:32Suddenly a man approaches Yvan.
He's a foreman. -
8:37 - 8:42He exaggerates his nervousness, but
he urges us to leave. -
8:49 - 8:52We want to put an end to these ghettos
once and for all. -
8:53 - 8:58We demand structures, water, light
kitchens, decent bedrooms, -
8:59 - 9:02and my dream is to achieve all this
with NOCAP. -
9:11 - 9:17Roma. Yvan Sagnet lives and works in the
city centre, near the Vatican. -
9:23 - 9:27Here in his apartment, he founded NOCAP,
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9:27 - 9:31a certification system for
ethically-produced food. -
9:35 - 9:40NOCAP is based on article 4 of the
universal declaration of human rights, -
9:40 - 9:45which says "No one shall be held
in slavery or servitude; -
9:45 - 9:50slavery and the slave trade shall be
prohibited in all their forms." -
9:57 - 10:01NOCAP is an organisation that says "no"
to the foreman system, -
10:02 - 10:05and opposes it with a labelling system.
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10:07 - 10:12We put these labels on products from all
the farmers who don't exploit -
10:12 - 10:18their workers, after checking that
they respect the workers' rights. -
10:24 - 10:29We have started a collaboration with
an association of small farmers -
10:29 - 10:32called "Altra-Agricultura".
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10:33 - 10:35There are sixty thousand producers.
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10:38 - 10:41That's how we've started with a small
and solid base. -
10:47 - 10:52Yvan's commitment to human rights and
his bravery when it comes to calling out -
10:52 - 10:55and reporting the mafioso structures
in agriculture -
10:55 - 10:57is valued by the Italian president,
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10:57 - 11:02Sergio Matarella, who awarded him a
a knighthood in 2017. -
11:08 - 11:11It was a great moment in my life.
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11:11 - 11:15It was an amazing moment, because I
received recognition from a country -
11:15 - 11:17of which I don't have citizenship.
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11:18 - 11:22I'm not Italian, I'm still Camaroonian
at the moment. -
11:22 - 11:26And receiving an award from Italy made
me so happy. -
11:29 - 11:34[Singing in Italian]
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11:34 - 11:39In 2017, Yvan is a father. It's a year
full of happiness. -
11:39 - 11:42But it is overshadowed by death threats.
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11:42 - 11:47His enemies know that Yvan is ready to
take them to the supreme court. -
11:51 - 11:55Verónica, his wife,
fears the consequences. -
11:56 - 12:00[Singing in Italian]
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12:01 - 12:04Unfortunately, the death threats indicate
how well he's doing his job, -
12:04 - 12:08how much he's obstructing the
interests of the powerful. -
12:08 - 12:11And naturally, as his family,
that worries us. -
12:16 - 12:20Especially when he goes to the places
those death threats come from. -
12:22 - 12:26We pray that he can achieve
what he wants without coming to harm. -
12:36 - 12:40Yvan has proved that he's very brave
and tenacious, -
12:40 - 12:44and he's shown us that it's possible
to change things, little by little, -
12:44 - 12:47by working hard and making sacrifices.
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12:47 - 12:50And he has my support in that battle
he fights every day. -
12:56 - 13:01In 2017, Yvan arrived in Italy,
the country he'd admired since childhood, -
13:01 - 13:04not to fight, but to study.
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13:05 - 13:07It was all going well until he failed
an exam -
13:07 - 13:09and lost his grant at Turin University.
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13:10 - 13:14His desperate search for work led
him to Nardó, in the south, -
13:14 - 13:16to the tomato harvest.
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13:25 - 13:29Yvan Sagnet arrived at this station on
10 July 2011, -
13:29 - 13:32and something happened that changed
his life forever. -
13:37 - 13:42Today, this 33 year-old is returning
to the outskirts of the place -
13:42 - 13:47where, at the time, there were thousands
of African workers in dome tents, -
13:47 - 13:51under plastic covers or outdoors.
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13:59 - 14:03This was incredibly dirty and
it was very hot, -
14:03 - 14:06and I asked God, "What is this? Where have
I ended up?" -
14:12 - 14:16I'd been living in a normal environment
in Turin, -
14:16 - 14:20where I was living in normal house,
a student residence -
14:20 - 14:24with a bath, my own room, a bed.
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14:24 - 14:29And suddenly I found myself in a place
sleeping on a mattress outdoors. -
14:38 - 14:40While exploring the terrain, Yvan
discovers that -
14:40 - 14:43there are harvest workers here again.
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14:47 - 14:52There aren't many, but their conditions
are no better than back then. -
15:09 - 15:13Three days after he arrived, he met
a foreman called Meki. -
15:14 - 15:19He was from Sudan. A big strong guy.
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15:22 - 15:26Yvan spent four days in the fields
under Meki's brutal control. -
15:26 - 15:30He was paid one euro for every
100 kilos of tomatoes picked. -
15:31 - 15:34He earnt a total of 14 kilos on day one.
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15:34 - 15:39From that, he had to pay 10 to Meki for
transport, food and water. -
15:42 - 15:46After a 14-hour day under the hot sun
and being beaten, -
15:46 - 15:48he was left with four euros.
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15:54 - 15:58That's it. And it would be even worse
if you got ill. -
15:58 - 16:03I remember a co-worker who fainted
suddenly because of the sun. -
16:03 - 16:07It was too hot. He fell to the floor.
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16:08 - 16:10Damn, it was really hard.
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16:13 - 16:18I was next to him when he fell and I asked
him what happened, what should I do. -
16:18 - 16:21I went to find water and
poured it on him. -
16:25 - 16:28I told the foreman he needed to go
to hospital. -
16:28 - 16:31But there wasn't one nearby.
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16:33 - 16:36The nearest hospital was a long way away.
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16:37 - 16:45And the foreman answered: "Leave him.
If you want him to go to hospital, -
16:45 - 16:48I'll charge you 50 euros
for the transport." -
16:48 - 16:52That isn't even exploitation.
It's slavery. -
16:56 - 17:00The man barely survived the collapse
in the field. -
17:02 - 17:10I worked for five days and on the fifth,
we said "Enough. We're exhausted. -
17:10 - 17:14We want a contract. We want our
rights to be recognised. -
17:14 - 17:17We're fed up of being
treated like slaves." -
17:25 - 17:29Yvan called for a strike, the first
among the workers. -
17:30 - 17:32The men from the ghetto follow him.
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17:33 - 17:36The local TV channel, Telerama, reported
on the event. -
17:36 - 17:42The death threats made Yvan flee,
but his indignation made him return. -
17:42 - 17:46When three months later, the harvest was
in danger of rotting, -
17:46 - 17:51the farmers gave up and offered more
money and work contracts. -
17:52 - 17:56The govenment of Rome passed a law
against the brutal foreman system. -
17:57 - 18:03Shortly afterwards, Yvan brough the first
case against owners and supervisors. -
18:11 - 18:15Yvan has dedicated his life to the fight
for human rights, -
18:15 - 18:20and today he's fighting on several fronts:
In industrial zones, -
18:20 - 18:24in the fields, in the courts, and
increasingly at the negotiation tables. -
18:25 - 18:29Here in Basilicata, he's meeting with
some farmers. -
18:29 - 18:31And he needs speakers from among the
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18:31 - 18:34workers' direct employers.
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18:37 - 18:40The meeting was organised by Yvan's
main ally, -
18:40 - 18:42the trade unionist Gianni Fabris.
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18:44 - 18:49The production of fruit and vegetables
in Italy is on the verge of disaster. -
18:49 - 18:53Our products are subjected to
"price dumping". -
18:58 - 19:01The sellers tell the farmers
"I will pay the same -
19:01 - 19:05for your peaches as I pay for those
from Morocco or Turkey. -
19:05 - 19:09They are cheaper than yours. If you
want to sell them, that's the price." -
19:09 - 19:12This is the reality in the
Italian countryside. -
19:20 - 19:24The food industry corporations
keep the system as it is. -
19:25 - 19:29They lower the prices to the minimum,
leaving no margin for the farmers to pay -
19:30 - 19:35the workers, meaning the system dictates
they have to exploit their workers. -
19:41 - 19:45Yvan is trying to find a solution with
farmers and trade unions. -
19:50 - 19:53We need to raise awareness
and ask consumers -
19:53 - 19:56to take more social responsibility.
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19:56 - 20:00The consumer needs to be aware that for
every kilo of tomatoes they buy, -
20:00 - 20:01there is a job.
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20:03 - 20:08A job that exploits workers, or one that
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20:08 - 20:10is ethically sound.
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20:10 - 20:13If they don't rethink it, we're dead.
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20:16 - 20:20A few days later, Yvan gets a message that
cheers him up. -
20:20 - 20:25An Italian supermarket chain offered
him a first deal. -
20:26 - 20:28They committed to buying NOCAP products,
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20:28 - 20:33for a value of up to a million euros
for the first consigment. -
20:33 - 20:37A great incentive for all those who
want to work with Yvan. -
20:43 - 20:48Yvan shows us how the NOCAP
system works in Graziano. -
20:50 - 20:54Here, the farmer picks up the workers
himself and doesn't leave transport -
20:54 - 20:56in the hands of the intermediaries.
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21:05 - 21:08The vans establish the power
of the foreman. -
21:08 - 21:11They take the workers to the fields.
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21:15 - 21:17There is no public transport.
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21:17 - 21:21This means the foremen are in charge of
transporting them and abuse the situation. -
21:23 - 21:28The foremen put up to 30 people
in one vehicle with a maximum -
21:28 - 21:30of 8 passengers permitted.
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21:30 - 21:35I can assure you that a journey in those
overloaded vans is horrible. -
21:38 - 21:42Most of them have no window because
the foremen don't want the police to see -
21:42 - 21:44how many people they're carrying.
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21:44 - 21:48There's almost no air, and there
are deaths every year. -
21:56 - 22:01In August 2008, two totally packed vans
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22:01 - 22:04crashed in a few days.
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22:04 - 22:0716 African workers died.
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22:09 - 22:16I will do it differently. These lads
are workers who've come here -
22:16 - 22:17in a normal vehicle.
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22:17 - 22:20They haven't had to pay for transport.
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22:22 - 22:27As you can see, their clothes are white.
They're working clothes. -
22:27 - 22:31They also wear protective
masks and gloves. -
22:34 - 22:36We take care of occupational safety.
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22:38 - 22:44Before starting work here, everyone
signs a work contract. -
22:45 - 22:47And the salary complies
with the law. -
22:51 - 22:55In this field, they're going to pick the
last tomatoes of the season. -
22:55 - 23:00One of the workers, Tómas, from Ghana,
agrees to talk for a moment. -
23:02 - 23:07We don't usually have a contract, because
in Europe and Italy, you need -
23:07 - 23:11permits and contracts to find
a decent job. -
23:11 - 23:15That means that often we don't
leave the ghettos. -
23:17 - 23:21You believe we're bad people or that we're
not human beings. -
23:23 - 23:27Bur we are people, with a
different skin colour. -
23:27 - 23:31We have blood in our veins. We're all one.
We're all human. -
23:33 - 23:38The man in whose fields Tómas and
the others are working thinks the same. -
23:39 - 23:44Giuseppe Viniola's family have been
growing organic vegetables for 30 years. -
23:51 - 23:55Viniola signs a contract with the workers.
Like an increasing amount of farmers, -
23:55 - 24:00he's trying to leave behind the system
which, due to extreme price pressure, -
24:00 - 24:02makes him an exploiter.
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24:04 - 24:08I think the foreman system is the worst
possible error, -
24:08 - 24:13because it means you employ a workforce
which you are ultimately exploiting. -
24:13 - 24:15The tomato harvest is very hard so
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24:15 - 24:18it's essential to recognise the value
of their work. -
24:21 - 24:25That's why it's important to sign
contracts and protect the workers. -
24:25 - 24:31For the tomato harvest, we pay
€5 net per hour plus bonuses. -
24:31 - 24:35That's double the amount paid by
foreman systems. -
24:45 - 24:49We must change the system from the roots
up for the tomato harvest. -
24:49 - 24:53There are great difficulties and it's
extremely hard to fight -
24:53 - 24:54against those prices.
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24:56 - 25:01An Italian trade unionist worked out what
needs to happen to solve this. -
25:02 - 25:06If the large commercial chains were to pay
the farmers, -
25:06 - 25:12just two cents more per kilo of tomatoes,
they would have 235 million euros -
25:12 - 25:14of additional turnover.
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25:14 - 25:18This would allow them to provide the
workers with dignified -
25:18 - 25:20accomodation and working conditions.
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25:20 - 25:23And the problem with the foremen
would be resolved. -
25:28 - 25:31The end of October.
Lecce, in the south of Italy. -
25:32 - 25:36Yvan's battle against the leaders and
producers began five years ago. -
25:37 - 25:41This is where he had his biggest success.
A conviction in the first instance. -
25:42 - 25:47But now the court could also be
the setting for his worst defeat. -
25:52 - 25:55The appeal process begins today.
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25:59 - 26:06At the first hearing, nine foremen
were sentenced to 11 years in prison. -
26:09 - 26:16They were declared guilty of slavery;
nine foremen and -
26:16 - 26:19three Italian farmers were sentenced.
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26:24 - 26:29To begin with, about 50 of us testified
against those who exploited us -
26:29 - 26:31to the police.
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26:31 - 26:33We reported them all by name.
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26:33 - 26:39Today, there are only eight left
who are brave enough to testify. -
26:39 - 26:41I am the main witness.
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26:46 - 26:50Their enemies, sitting on the
accused bench, -
26:50 - 26:52defend themselves with
every means possible. -
26:54 - 26:57The farmers have a team of
expensive lawyers. -
26:57 - 26:59Yvan isn't happy.
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27:00 - 27:03"They all exploit workers.
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27:03 - 27:07I am one of their victims and I
stand by my statement. -
27:09 - 27:13If the conviction were confirmed
at the end of the appeal, -
27:13 - 27:16it would be an extraordinary success for
Yvan Sagnet, -
27:16 - 27:19although for now, it would only
be symbolic. -
27:22 - 27:25This process hasn't changed
the working conditions -
27:25 - 27:27of the workers in the fields.
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27:28 - 27:34Of course, the foreman system still
rules all over Italy. -
27:34 - 27:37And the bad living conditions of the
people in the ghettos are the same, -
27:37 - 27:40they still have no water or light.
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27:40 - 27:45I was always aware that this process
wouldn't be enough to change everything. -
27:48 - 27:53However, Yvan Sagnet believes that
the process is a milestone. -
27:57 - 28:02It's worth fighting. We live in a world
where you have to fight for your rights, -
28:02 - 28:06because if you don't fight,
nothing will ever change. -
28:06 - 28:11Change will only be achieved by fighting,
and we're ready. -
28:11 - 28:14April 2019:
The first sentence was overturned, -
28:14 - 28:19The accused were acquitted,
Yvan Sagnet will appeal against this.
- Title:
- Slavery in Italy? A DW Documentary
- Description:
-
Yvan Sagnet, from Camaroon, fights against exploitation in the fields of Italy. He worked under conditions of slavery. Today, he fights for migrants' rights and takes the criminal intermediaries to court.
- Video Language:
- Spanish
- Team:
- Captions Requested
- Duration:
- 28:26
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