Thorium, an alternative nuclear fuel
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0:00 - 0:03Nearly everyone in the world
is part of some community, -
0:03 - 0:05whether large or small.
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0:05 - 0:08And all of these communities
have similar needs. -
0:08 - 0:09They need light,
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0:09 - 0:10they need heat
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0:10 - 0:12they need air-conditioning.
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0:12 - 0:15People can't function very well
when it's too hot or too cold. -
0:15 - 0:19They need food to be grown or provided,
distributed and stored safely. -
0:19 - 0:24They need waste products to be collected,
removed and processed. -
0:24 - 0:27People in the community need to be able
to get from one place to another -
0:27 - 0:28as quickly as possible.
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0:28 - 0:32And a supply of energy is the basis
for all of these activities. -
0:32 - 0:35Energy in the form of electricity
provides light and air-conditioning. -
0:35 - 0:37Energy in the form of heat keeps us warm.
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0:37 - 0:40And energy in chemical
form provides fertilizer; -
0:40 - 0:43it drives farm machinery
and transportation energy. -
0:43 - 0:45Now, I spent 10 years working at NASA.
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0:45 - 0:48In the beginning of my time there in 2000,
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0:48 - 0:50I was very interested in communities.
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0:50 - 0:52But this is the kind of community
I was thinking of -- -
0:52 - 0:53a lunar community
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0:54 - 0:57It had all of the same needs
as a community on Earth would have, -
0:57 - 0:59but it had some very unique constraints.
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0:59 - 1:02And we had to think about
how we would provide energy -
1:02 - 1:03for this very unique community.
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1:03 - 1:05There’s no coal on the Moon.
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1:05 - 1:06There's no petroleum.
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1:06 - 1:08There’s no natural gas.
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1:08 - 1:09There's no atmosphere.
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1:09 - 1:11There’s no wind, either.
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1:11 - 1:13And solar power had a real problem:
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1:13 - 1:15the Moon orbits the Earth once a month.
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1:15 - 1:17For two weeks, the sun goes down,
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1:17 - 1:19and your solar panels
don't make any energy. -
1:19 - 1:23If you want to try to store
enough energy in batteries for two weeks, -
1:23 - 1:24it just simply isn't practical.
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1:24 - 1:26So nuclear energy
was really the only choice. -
1:26 - 1:30Now, back in 2000, I didn't really know
too much about nuclear power, -
1:30 - 1:31so I started trying to learn.
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1:31 - 1:35Almost all of the nuclear power
we use on Earth today uses water -
1:35 - 1:36as a basic coolant.
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1:36 - 1:39This has some advantages,
but it has a lot of disadvantages. -
1:39 - 1:43If you want to generate electricity,
you have to get the water a lot hotter -
1:43 - 1:44than you normally can.
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1:44 - 1:47At normal pressures, water will boil
at 100 degrees Celsius. -
1:47 - 1:51This isn't nearly hot enough
to generate electricity effectively. -
1:51 - 1:54So water-cooled reactors have to run
at much higher pressures -
1:54 - 1:56than atmospheric pressure.
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1:56 - 2:00Some water-cooled reactors run
at over 70 atmospheres of pressure, -
2:00 - 2:04and others have to run at as much as
150 atmospheres of pressure. -
2:04 - 2:05There's no getting around this;
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2:05 - 2:08it's simply what you have to do
if you want to generate electricity -
2:08 - 2:10using a water-cooled reactor.
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2:10 - 2:12This means you have to build
a water-cooled reactor -
2:12 - 2:13as a pressure vessel,
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2:14 - 2:16with steel walls
over 20 centimeters thick. -
2:16 - 2:18If that sounds heavy,
that's because it is. -
2:18 - 2:20Things get a lot worse
if you have an accident -
2:20 - 2:22where you lose pressure
inside the reactor. -
2:23 - 2:25If you have liquid water
at 300 degrees Celsius -
2:25 - 2:27and suddenly you depressurize it,
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2:27 - 2:29it doesn't stay liquid for very long;
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2:29 - 2:30it flashes into steam.
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2:30 - 2:34So water-cooled reactors are built
inside of big, thick concrete buildings -
2:34 - 2:36called containment buildings,
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2:36 - 2:39which are meant to hold all of the steam
that would come out of the reactor -
2:39 - 2:41if you had an accident
where you lost pressure. -
2:41 - 2:45Steam takes up about 1,000 times
more volume than liquid water, -
2:45 - 2:48so the containment building
ends up being very large, -
2:48 - 2:49relative to the size of the reactor.
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2:49 - 2:52Another bad thing happens
if you lose pressure -
2:52 - 2:53and your water flashes to steam.
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2:53 - 2:56If you don't get emergency coolant
to the fuel in the reactor, -
2:56 - 2:58it can overheat and melt.
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2:58 - 3:01The reactors we have today
use uranium oxide as a fuel. -
3:01 - 3:04It's a ceramic material
similar in performance -
3:04 - 3:07to the ceramics we use to make
coffee cups or cookware -
3:07 - 3:09or the bricks we use to line fireplaces.
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3:09 - 3:10They're chemically stable,
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3:10 - 3:12but they're not very good
at transferring heat. -
3:12 - 3:14If you lose pressure, you lose your water,
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3:14 - 3:16and soon your fuel will melt down
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3:16 - 3:19and release the radioactive
fission products within it. -
3:19 - 3:22Making solid nuclear fuel
is a complicated and expensive process. -
3:22 - 3:25And we extract less than one percent
of the energy for the nuclear fuel -
3:25 - 3:28before it can no longer
remain in the reactor. -
3:28 - 3:30Water-cooled reactors have
another additional challenge: -
3:30 - 3:33they need to be near
large bodies of water, -
3:33 - 3:35where the steam they generate
can be cooled and condensed. -
3:35 - 3:38Otherwise, they can't generate
electrical power. -
3:38 - 3:40Now, there's no lakes
or rivers on the Moon, -
3:40 - 3:43so if all of this makes it sound
like water-cooled reactors -
3:43 - 3:45aren't such a good fit
for a lunar community, -
3:45 - 3:46I would tend to agree with you.
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3:46 - 3:47(Laughter)
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3:47 - 3:51I had the good fortune to learn about
a different form of nuclear power -
3:51 - 3:53that doesn't have all these problems,
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3:53 - 3:54for a very simple reason:
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3:54 - 3:57it's not based on water-cooling,
and it doesn't use solid fuel. -
3:57 - 3:59Surprisingly, it's based on salt.
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3:59 - 4:01One day, I was at a friend's
office at work, -
4:01 - 4:04and I noticed this book on the shelf,
"Fluid Fuel Reactors." -
4:04 - 4:07I was interested
and asked him if I could borrow it. -
4:07 - 4:10Inside that book, I learned
about research in the United States -
4:10 - 4:11back in the 1950s,
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4:11 - 4:14into a kind of reactor
that wasn't based on solid fuel -
4:14 - 4:15or on water-cooling.
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4:15 - 4:17It didn't have the problems
of the water-cooled reactor, -
4:17 - 4:19and the reason why was pretty neat.
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4:19 - 4:22It used a mixture of fluoride salts
as a nuclear fuel, -
4:22 - 4:26specifically, the fluorides of lithium,
beryllium, uranium and thorium. -
4:26 - 4:28Fluoride salts are remarkably
chemically stable. -
4:28 - 4:31They do not react with air and water.
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4:31 - 4:33You have to heat them up
to about 400 degrees Celsius -
4:33 - 4:35to get them to melt.
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4:35 - 4:37But that's actually perfect
for trying to generate power -
4:37 - 4:38in a nuclear reactor.
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4:38 - 4:40Here's the real magic:
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4:40 - 4:42they don't have to operate
at high pressure. -
4:42 - 4:44And that makes the biggest
difference of all. -
4:44 - 4:48This means they don't have to be
in heavy, thick steel pressure vessels, -
4:48 - 4:50they don't have to use water for coolant
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4:50 - 4:51and there's nothing in the reactor
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4:51 - 4:54that's going to make
a big change in density, like water. -
4:54 - 4:56So the containment building
around the reactor -
4:56 - 4:58can be much smaller and close-fitting.
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4:58 - 5:01Unlike the solid fuels that can melt down
if you stop cooling them, -
5:01 - 5:03these liquid fluoride fuels
are already melted, -
5:03 - 5:05at a much, much lower temperature.
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5:05 - 5:07In normal operation,
you have a little plug here -
5:07 - 5:09at the bottom of the reactor vessel.
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5:09 - 5:12This plug is made
out of a piece of frozen salt -
5:12 - 5:14that you've kept frozen
by blowing cool gas -
5:14 - 5:15over the outside of the pipe.
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5:15 - 5:18If there's an emergency
and you lose all the power -
5:18 - 5:19to your nuclear power plant,
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5:19 - 5:21the little blower stops blowing,
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5:21 - 5:23the frozen plug of salt melts,
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5:23 - 5:25and the liquid fluoride fuel
inside the reactor -
5:25 - 5:27drains out of the vessel, through the line
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5:27 - 5:29and into another vessel
called a drain tank. -
5:29 - 5:33Inside the drain tank, it's all configured
to maximize the transfer of heat, -
5:33 - 5:36so as to keep the salt passively cooled
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5:36 - 5:37as its heat load drops over time.
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5:38 - 5:39In water-cooled reactors,
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5:39 - 5:41you generally have to provide
power to the plant -
5:41 - 5:44to keep the water circulating
and to prevent a meltdown, -
5:44 - 5:46as we saw in Japan.
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5:46 - 5:49But in this reactor,
if you lose the power to the reactor, -
5:49 - 5:52it shuts itself down all by itself,
without human intervention, -
5:52 - 5:55and puts itself in a safe
and controlled configuration. -
5:55 - 5:57Now, this was sounding pretty good to me,
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5:57 - 6:00and I was excited about the potential
of using a liquid fluoride reactor -
6:00 - 6:02to power a lunar community.
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6:02 - 6:05But then I learned about thorium,
and the story got even better. -
6:05 - 6:07Thorium is a naturally
occurring nuclear fuel -
6:07 - 6:10that is four times more common
in the Earth's crust than uranium. -
6:10 - 6:12It can be used in liquid fluoride
thorium reactors -
6:12 - 6:16to produce electrical energy, heat
and other valuable products. -
6:16 - 6:20It's so energy-dense that you could hold
a lifetime supply of thorium energy -
6:20 - 6:21in the palm of your hand.
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6:21 - 6:24Thorium is also common on the Moon
and easy to find. -
6:24 - 6:27Here's an actual map of where
the lunar thorium is located. -
6:27 - 6:30Thorium has an electromagnetic signature
that makes it easy to find, -
6:30 - 6:31even from a spacecraft.
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6:31 - 6:34With the energy generated
from a liquid fluoride thorium reactor, -
6:34 - 6:37we could recycle all of the air,
water and waste products -
6:37 - 6:38within the lunar community.
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6:38 - 6:41In fact, doing so would be
an absolute requirement for success. -
6:41 - 6:44We could grow the crops needed
to feed the members of the community -
6:44 - 6:46even during the two-week lunar night,
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6:46 - 6:48using light and power from the reactor.
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6:48 - 6:51It seemed like the liquid fluoride
thorium reactor, or LFTR, -
6:51 - 6:55could be the power source that could make
a self-sustainable lunar colony -
6:55 - 6:56a reality.
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6:56 - 6:57But I had a simple question:
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6:57 - 7:00If it was such a great thing
for a community on the Moon, -
7:00 - 7:03why not a community on the Earth,
a community of the future, -
7:03 - 7:05self-sustaining and energy-independent?
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7:05 - 7:08The same energy generation
and recycling techniques -
7:08 - 7:11that could have a powerful impact
on surviving on the Moon -
7:11 - 7:14could also have a powerful impact
on surviving on the Earth. -
7:14 - 7:16Right now, we're burning fossil fuels
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7:16 - 7:18because they're easy to find
and because we can. -
7:18 - 7:22Unfortunately, they're making some parts
of our planet look like the Moon. -
7:22 - 7:24Using fossil fuels
entangles us in conflict -
7:24 - 7:26in unstable regions of the world
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7:26 - 7:28and costs money and lives.
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7:28 - 7:31Things could be very different
if we were using thorium. -
7:31 - 7:34You see, in a LFTR, we could use thorium
about 200 times more efficiently -
7:34 - 7:36than we're using uranium now.
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7:36 - 7:39And because the LFTR is capable
of almost completely releasing -
7:39 - 7:40the energy in thorium,
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7:40 - 7:44this reduces the waste generated
over uranium by factors of hundreds, -
7:44 - 7:47and by factors of millions
over fossil fuels. -
7:47 - 7:50We're still going to need liquid fuels
for vehicles and machinery, -
7:50 - 7:54but we could generate these liquid fuels
from the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere -
7:54 - 7:56and from water, much like nature does.
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7:56 - 7:58We could generate hydrogen
by splitting water -
7:58 - 8:01and combining it with carbon
harvested from CO2 in the atmosphere, -
8:01 - 8:05making fuels like methanol,
ammonia, and dimethyl ether, -
8:05 - 8:07which could be a direct replacement
for diesel fuels. -
8:07 - 8:10Imagine carbon-neutral
gasoline and diesel, -
8:10 - 8:13sustainable and self-produced.
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8:13 - 8:14Do we have enough thorium?
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8:14 - 8:15Yes, we do.
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8:16 - 8:19In fact, in the United States, we have
over 3,200 metric tons of thorium -
8:19 - 8:21that was stockpiled 50 years ago
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8:21 - 8:24and is currently buried
in a shallow trench in Nevada. -
8:24 - 8:26This thorium, if used in LFTRs,
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8:26 - 8:30could produce almost as much energy
as the United States uses in three years. -
8:30 - 8:32And thorium is not
a rare substance, either. -
8:32 - 8:34There are many sites
like this one in Idaho, -
8:34 - 8:38where an area the size of a football field
would produce enough thorium each year -
8:38 - 8:39to power the entire world.
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8:39 - 8:41Using liquid fluoride thorium technology,
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8:41 - 8:44we could move away from
expensive and difficult aspects -
8:44 - 8:47of current water-cooled, solid-fueled
uranium nuclear power. -
8:47 - 8:50We wouldn't need large,
high-pressure nuclear reactors -
8:50 - 8:52and big containment buildings
that they go in. -
8:52 - 8:55We wouldn't need large,
low-efficiency steam turbines. -
8:55 - 8:56We wouldn't need to have
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8:56 - 8:59as many long-distance power
transmission infrastructure, -
8:59 - 9:01because thorium is
a very portable energy source -
9:01 - 9:04that can be located
near to where it is needed. -
9:04 - 9:07A liquid fluoride thorium reactor
would be a compact facility, -
9:07 - 9:09very energy-efficient and safe,
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9:09 - 9:11that would produce the energy
we need day and night, -
9:11 - 9:13and without respect to weather conditions.
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9:13 - 9:16In 2007, we used
five billion tons of coal, -
9:16 - 9:1831 billion barrels of oil
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9:18 - 9:20and five trillion cubic meters
of natural gas, -
9:20 - 9:23along with 65,000 tons of uranium
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9:23 - 9:25to produce the world's energy.
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9:25 - 9:27With thorium, we could do the same thing
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9:27 - 9:31with 7,000 tons of thorium
that could be mined at a single site. -
9:31 - 9:34If all this sounds interesting to you,
I invite you to visit our website, -
9:34 - 9:37where a growing and enthusiastic
online community of thorium advocates -
9:37 - 9:41is working to tell the world
about how we can realize a clean, safe -
9:41 - 9:43and sustainable energy future,
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9:43 - 9:45based on the energies of thorium.
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9:45 - 9:46Thank you very much.
(Applause)
- Title:
- Thorium, an alternative nuclear fuel
- Speaker:
- Kirk Sorensen
- Description:
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Kirk Sorensen shows us the liquid fuel thorium reactor -- a way to produce energy that is safer, cleaner and more efficient than current nuclear power.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 09:59
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