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Hello everybody
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Thank you so much for being here on what I
hope is a very lazy day or as lazy as possible
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day for us.
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We're very happy to be able to share with
you as a community a little bit chat - show style
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for what we hope will be a relaxed and enjoyable
session really touching the spirit of community
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and many of our collective memories with our
teacher.
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We are aware that many of us have arrived
in plum village at all sorts of different
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times and today we will be hearing from some
of us who arrived in the early 1980s, in the
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1990s.
And we also want to look forward to some of
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the life spirit of the sangha currently active
and looking forward maybe to the next decade
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or two as a beloved community.
So we hope that by hearing voices from different
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sangha members we will really see the river
that Sister Dinh Nghiem was talking about
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in her Dharma talk yesterday and we will also
get a sense of the spirit of community.
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I think Plum Village has always been made
of whoever is here and i think Thay's teachings
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have also been made from whoever is here.
Thay didn't create his teachings in a vacuum
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but in relationship with his community and
Thay's teachings have also evolved over time
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and Plum Village has evolved the atmosphere
has evolved. So today we will try to hear
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a little bit what some of those earlier chapters
of plum village might have been like and to
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see that evolution.
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And I brought with me a very very big bag
of Thay's books and this is not even a quarter
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of them. But I hope from time to time to show
you a book so you can start to see a bit how
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Thay's teachings evolved over time and how
his insights and experiences in community
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and largely here in Plum Village shaped his
teachings and what he was writing about at
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the time.
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We have a wonderful truck. We have a chance
to contemplate the compost that becomes the flowers
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In Sister Dinh Nghiem's talk she mentioned
the teachings of master Tang Hoi and she was
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saying that when Thay was in Paris he had
a chance to do research in the library there
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to discover the first zen teacher who came
from Vietnam and brought zen buddhism to China
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so I just wanted to give one advertisement
for this book if you are interested in the
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roots of our tradition, it's really wonderful
to understand how deep our roots go. Book
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number one. I think I'm going to need a big
pile.
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The title is Master Tang Hoi - first zen teacher
in Vietnam and China.
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And for those of you who haven't read about
Thay's years of activism and engagement in
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the 1960s when Sister Dinh was sharing about
how much Thay did in such a short period of
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time a lot of that is recorded in Thay's journals
Fragrant Palm Leaves. For many of us I think
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it's our favorite book by Thay, very personal
so you can discover more in this book, including
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some very powerful experiences and moments
of awakening
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when Thay was in the U.S. in the early 1960s.
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Okay final one. Sister Dinh Nghiem also mentioned: "Zen Keys", "Zen Keys".
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And in French, "Cles pour le Zen".
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Which was actually the first book published
by Thay here in the west.
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And it was published first in French and then
in English and it's very interesting because
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Thay was trying to express how his kind of
zen, the zen from our tradition in Vietnam
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was different from other flavors of Zen from
Japan or other countries. So this is a very
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early attempt of Thay to describe the practices
he was seeking to develop and offer in here in the West.
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So, that's it for the books for now.
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I would like to invite our bell master Sister TrueSound, Sister Khuong Am, to invite three sounds of the bell
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and then we will welcome our first guests to the sofa who arrived here in 1983.
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[Bell]
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[Bell]
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[Bell]
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We'd like to invite Jean-Pierre and Co Linh Tue
to come up and sit on the wonderful rustic sofa.
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Before we start to hear some different stories
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maybe Jean-Pierre and Co Linh Tue, would you
like to lead us in one of the first songs
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that you remember singing here in the sangha
when you arrived?
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Dear sister. During that era, there were only poems because for a while, it was a haven for refugees.
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Thay taught in Vietnamese to the refugees. So there were only childhood poems.
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So actually, at that time there weren't any Plum Village songs yet. He taught in Vietnamese to the children.
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okay
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So we will listen to a song.
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We will sing together? But I don't know full songs ... just the start [singing in Vietnamese] ... I don't remember anymore
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[Singing in Vietnamese]
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[Singing in Vietnamese]
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[Singing in Vietnamese] ... That's enough
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Very nice very nice. So in Plum Village since
the very beginning there was music and at
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first songs from Vietnam would be
sung around Plum Village because actually
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at the beginning Plum Village was really a
community in exile not only Thay in exile
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but also sister Chan Khong other monastics
who had fled Vietnam and also other refugees
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so many people who found themselves exiled
and ended up here in France started visiting
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Thay at the center outside Paris and then
when that as Sister Dinh Nghiem explained yesterday
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when that center became too small then they
found the land here in the southwest of France
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where the land was much more affordable.
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And in the summers Thay was offering not just
a place of spiritual refuge but also a place
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of cultural refuge where the children could
learn Vietnamese and how to write, speak and
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sing in Vietnamese. Where everyone could enjoy Vietnamese food and really have a sense of home away from home.
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So maybe we can enjoy one sound of the bell and we try to
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settle so we can continue. We're sorry that
the announcement wasn't made. Our apologies
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[Bell]
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So, dear Jean-Pierre, perhaps we will start with you.
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Can you say a little about how you landed in this part
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in the Southwest of France into a community in exile?
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It wasn't really that common.
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And what did you find when you arrived?
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That went very well.
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I knew about Plum Village thanks to the Vietnamese community.
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With young people my age, students in Lyon.
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Perhaps 5, 6 years before I arrived here
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I found myself taking part in cultural festivals
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with only "boat people". There you go.
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It wasn't a big deal. I was the only one with a car. So it was very practical for transporting things,
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clothes, people ...
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in the welcoming centers.
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And one day a friend said to me:
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"Jean-Pierre, would you like to meet a Vietnamese Zen master?"
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I said, "Yes, great! I am very interested!"
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And I had the idea that I would find a relatively old man,
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with a white beard, and hair like what you find in Chinese films.
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I came here from Cantal, which is about 180km from here.
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And I found Loubes Bernac and Meyrac.
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The roads were tiny, even smaller than now.
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When I arrived, I first found a couple who lived in that first house there.
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So I met the man.
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He said to me, "But no. Plum Village is actually just there."
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But it wasn't Plum Village yet. It wasn't called that yet.
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He told me, "It's there. The Vietnamese people. They're somewhere at the back there."
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I came upon the building which is now the small meditation hall.
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I saw a Vietnamese lady who came out to meet me.
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When I said, "I am Jean-Pierre". She said, "Oh, you are Jean-Pierre, who welcomes the boat people!"
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I was very surprised, because I just arrived like that.
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No phone call, just an address, not telling anyone.
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I didn't know it, but the person who greeted me was Sister Chan Khong
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She wasn't a nun yet, but it was already her name as a member of the Order of Inter-being
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So that's how it all started.
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In the evening, I arrived in the afternoon, in the evening she said to me "Jean-Pierre, for the practice, you observe the others and imitate them."
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It was very simple. And everything was in Vietnamese
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There were no earphones, or microphone, or even someone to translate directly in my ear.
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Yes, I got used to that being in the Vietnamese community for 5, 6 years. No one translates.
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I tried to understand by observing the movements. But no one translated for me.
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But that suited me well, because I could sit somewhere, stay quietly.
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Someone would offer me a drink, something to eat. Everything went very well.
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Thank you Jean-Pierre. Wonderful. And Co Linh Tue, how was it for you when you arrived here?
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The same year, but perhaps a different approach?
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I met Jean-Pierre the same year. I was a student in a preparatory course to become a nurse.
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I boarded in a small room with a pastor.
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Between school and my room,
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there was a small pagoda,
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or more of an apartment. The venerable Nhu Tuan was there with Sister Trung Chinh.
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I went there every day to have dinner, because the pastor didn't want me to cook in the room.
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And to recite a sutra with them.
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One day Ven. Nhu Tuan said to me, "Do you want to come first in your class?"
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I said, "Of course!" "Then come with me", and she brought me here.
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I was amazed! I was born in Saigon, a cosmopolitan. I didn't know about the country side.
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Then I left Saigon when I was 14 and went to Lausanne, which is also quite a large city.
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So it was the first time I discover the country side. I loved it!
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I discovered the fields, sunflowers, the crowing of roosters...
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And rice soup with peas. I haven't eaten that before!
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And especially Thay. When I passed him, it was as if an electric current passed through me.
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He wasn't dressed as he did after receiving monastic students. He was just in jeans and a traditional short robe.
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Just to check we have this in translation - what was Thay wearing?
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When I passed him, he was coming from the Grange and I was near the bamboos.
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There were just a few bamboos. Lots of mud. There weren't trees and flowers then like now.
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Thay walked slowly, with jeans and his boots, and just a short robe - what monastics wear on the inside.
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I saw and I thought - oh, it's him, it's him.
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Then I came back 2, 3 times a year. It became my spiritual family. I came to see Thay, for the community, and for being in the country side.
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Pretty soon you started to live here, from which year?
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Afterwards, I came to live here with Thay for 3 years.
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From 1986 to 1989.
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Then one more time from 1996 to 1999.
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Then the last time in 2013 Thay asked me to become a monastic.
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He insisted, "Oh I am getting old. You have to taste the monastic life."
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Well. I obeyed.
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A good student. Thank you
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During that era, there was a lot of simplicity and not much money.
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The buildings were very simple and apparently there wasn't even heating. Is that true?
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For me, I don't know. I only came in Summer. No, there was no heating. Just the wood oven in the kitchen, that was it.
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Winter was freezing.
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There weren't even rooms.
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The rooms were just, well, down there there's a building.
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It's an ancient building for drying tobacco.
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Just a few separation walls, four bricks and a plank for a bed.
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There were no windows or necessarily doors. That was all.
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To imagine the Village at the start, you look at all that's here now, and you take out everything.
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You take out everything.
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And you keep only the places with stones.
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You can still see the stones and you keep only those places.And whatever is inside, you also take them all out.
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So my question is - what continued to draw you here if it was so simple and so humble here?
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The food.
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For me, it's more about "here".
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It's very simple for me - what brought me back here was the Vietnamese community
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Actually the meditation would not have brought me back here.
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The morning after I arrived, Thay came to see me.
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There were a few moments. Thay came to see me. We weren't not introduced to each other yet. He came up behind me,
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He put his hand on my back and pushed me towards the children.
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And he said to me, "Jean Pierre, learn to sing the songs in Vietnamese with the children."
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Like Linh Tue said, "I obeyed".
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The last day I was here, he asked me to sit down with him in front of the plum trees. The trees were already there by the road.
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He asked me, "What do you think about my village?"
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I said, "I think the people here need it.
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And you will have many people."
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So what made me come back was that.
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As Linh Tue said, Thay did not look like a monk.
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He wore trousers like everyone else, with boots, and a traditional Vietnamese (monastic) short robe.
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That was it. I did not encounter a monk. I encountered a man with a great deal of humanity.
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I don't know how to say it better.
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I felt it a very deeply. And of course he is Vietnamese, and that meant a lot to me.
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There you go. That was a motor for me - the Vietnamese community.
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That was my motor. As for meditation, it was a lot more difficult.
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The first week, my back ached.
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Just five minutes and I felt it was already an hour.
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So it wasn't great at all.
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I observed, yes I observed. But I told myself - impossible, I cannot do that!
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So it wasn't something that would have made me come back.
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Thank you. The pull of the Vietnamese community, the richness, the friendship, the gentleness, the creativity...
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Co Linh Tue, can you tell us a little what a typical day looked like back then? Was the schedule like how it is now?
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Not at all.
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Thay did not want to lose the Vietnamese culture.
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There were just Thay, and Sister Chan Khong who was still a lay person.
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We called her "Aunty Number 9".
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Thay and Aunty #9 did everything.
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The two of them did 200 turns an hour. Thay taught us how to meditate. He was there for the morning sitting.
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He held the stick of a meditation observer and gave us a smack if we fell sleepy. Like in the Japanese tradition.
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Let's wait and make sure the translator understood that bit.
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The Zen stick, for sitting meditation.
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Then we had breakfast. I'm afraid to say, it wasn't an abundant breakfast like we have now.
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We had broken dried bread that Sister Chan Khong asked for at L'Eclerc (supermarket). Out of date.
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It wasn't because Thay was poor. But they always, always thought of others.
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They sent money to help the writers,
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the elite of Vietnam, because for him the writers were the treasures of Vietnamese culture.
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Every month we prepared small packets to send to Vietnam.
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There was medicine inside so the families could sell them.
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To raise the children.
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Because in general the head of family was imprisoned by the Communist.
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So Thay wanted to help, anonymously. They didn't know who was behind it all.
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Actually I was still young and so hungry. One day I said, "Thay, I am too hungry."
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Because there wasn't enough to eat, right?
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We lived very very modestly.
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There was just one toilet in 1983. Only one shower that went with it. To take a shower one had to get up at 4 in the morning.
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But we were very happy to be by Thay's side.
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We were filled with happiness, with serenity, with peace. His presence captivated us. His personality.
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So that comes back to what you asked before - what was the motivation, the motor that brought us back here.
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Thank you. As Linh Tue had shared, Thay and Sr. Chan Khong said it wasn't possible to save everyone in Vietnam.
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They chose to focus their energy on the cultural personnels like the writers, philosophers, artists, the intellectuals...
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Thanks to these small medical packets; because it wasn't possible to directly send money;
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but the medicine was "hidden money" because they could sell it for money and buy food for their family.
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That sustained the people who were truly the treasure of Vietnamese culture.
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It was a part of all the activities of the so called social engagement for Vietnam of that time, the small packets of medicine.
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Yes the exile of boat people was very present at the time. There were many deaths on the South China Sea.
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Thay and Sister Chan Khong rented boats to save those people.
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They couldn't continue that work and had to come to France. They purchased Thenac in 1982.
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They continued their work in the spirit of saving the Vietnamese culture.
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The days unfolded a little like now. In joy, in gaity.
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Thay wanted us to practice in joy, not in suffering.
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Even if there was a great deal of suffering in our depth,
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because with the arrival of the Communists, many families including mine were broken.
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A lot of loss. Thay and Sister Chan Khong, "Aunty #9", did everything.
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Thay guided the walking meditation, tea meditation, Dharma sharing...
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Sister Chan Khong did everything
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the transport, cooking, shopping
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and even took care of the sick.
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When I caught a cold, I said, "Aunty #9, I think I'm sick." She said, "Oh, I will do the spooning massage for you."
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She took out the oil and a spoon and did spooning massage for me.
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She did everything! Spoon massage.
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Her and Thay did everything. It was only in 1988 that Sr. Chan Khong, then Sr. Chan Duc and Sr. Chan Vi. It was also a surprise for us.
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Three of us stayed back. Thay brought them to India. Before leaving they were lay and on returning they were in robes!
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Only from that moment on that Thay started to wear the long robe and receive monastic disciples.
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We have Shantum here and we will hear from him about the 1988 trip, when Thay started to have monastic disciples.
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It's such a shame because we don't have 5 hours to be together.
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And we will see a few glimpses into several periods of Plum Village history.
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To prepare the appetite ... I don't know how to say it in French ...
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To have a sense of appetite, for how we can have more conversations.
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Just to close this chapter
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Jean-Pierre, what was it that brought the greatest happiness to Thay? What was his greatest dream at that time, at the start?
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Hard to say.
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If I look back...
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If I look at Thay and I see him clearly,
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I see that his dream was only for peace to exist.
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Deeply
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And that peace could exist in each of us.
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That's very clear.
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That's what he has transmitted to us.
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Linh Tue had said that the days passed in joy.
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In songs.
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Even though the songs of bygone days are not the same as today, but that's nothing.
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Me, I am French. The French went to Vietnam and for sure didn't do only great things. But Thay received me as a child.
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He told me, "Sit down with the children."
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Today, I understand that it wasn't to learn to sing, but to learn peace.
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That's what I learned.
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Thank you so much. Thank you Jean-Pierre and Co Linh Tue. Can we offer flowers for our elder brother and sister in the community.
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Thank you so much.
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And I would like to invite Françoise and Shantum to come up to our "hot seat" or our "cool seat"
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for the next chapter, a little bit later in the 1980s.
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And maybe we can enjoy a sound of the bell
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[Bell]
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Thank you for being here. Maybe I will start with Françoise.
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In English if I may. So you came a few years on.
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What brought you here to Plum Village
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and what did you find when you got here?
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Ok. I'd moved in 79 to the Netherlands
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And I worked for the International Fellowship of Reconciliation
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And the general secretary at that time was Jim Forrest.
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From Jim I learnt about Thay because Jim was the one who had spent a lot of time with Thay
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in the 60s when Thay did all those tours in the United States to talk about the war in Vietnam
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the "American war" as it was known then,
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and the need for peace, saying - Vietnamese people did not want the war to continue, they want peace.
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It's not a question of Communism or Capitalism. They want peace.
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Jim, he passed away 10 days before Thay, that's interesting,
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he wrote a little book called "Eyes of Compassion", about all this period, which is very nice.
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I remember he came here in 82 actually, Jim,
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when he came back he said, or maybe in 83,
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he said, "I've just been to Plum Village where Thay is living. I think you should go. You might enjoy it."
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In 84 we had a council meeting, which is an international meeting.
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It was in the community of the Arc, which is not very far from here.
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We decided we needed a car to bring material. And I said, oh maybe we can make a little detour by Plum Village and... check what it is
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and so we did for three days.
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I was sold, basically.
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Jim had already given me a version of the 14 Mindfulness Trainings, the "Precept" at that time.
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Which began with "Do not" in all of them
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But, you know, having been brought up Catholic, it was not special or specific or ...
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spend time because the buddha used to go up
there to watch the sun yeah it's mentioned
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that the buddha loved the sunset there also
mahakashapa the first zen master was transmitted
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the awakening by the flower sermon but for
thai he just even the last time he came he
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just spent the whole day in a hammock spending
the enjoying himself so i think vulture peak
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has become a symbol of our our community in
fact after his illness i think when we had
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our first gathering it is called the bulger
peak gathering so when the transmission took
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place for me it was just i was just organizing
but i think that moment of seeing the uh the
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hair being shaved of chiang kong of and you
know uh stan annabelle and than men and then
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a few people taking the five of 14 trainings
on interest it was very moving because for
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me it was like i could it was a very moving
ceremony for everyone it was tears and it
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was but it was for me also it's just like
that memory is very very strong so each time
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the monastics and others come and when thai
came again and again every time everyone got
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reshaved and mrs gina being reordained in
a way on the belcher peak and it's become
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a tradition of plum village and when we talk
about plum village you know 40 years of plum
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village i don't see plum village only here
for me this is my spiritual home but i see
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plum village on balcha peak and you know in
the bay area and you know it's it's another
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dimension of plum village and so yeah i think
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to start the the monastic tradition for thai
was very important but i think for us as lay
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people he gave so much he really i think put
a lot of energy into us as lay people hoping
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that we would come up to whatever whatever
that was and in the beginning you know there
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was very strong uh sort of energy of lay people
but as the monastics started after this first
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monastic ordination and then more then slowly
slowly that tradition became stronger and
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that was what thai word thai was a monastic
he knew that the best and he was experimenting
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in the west with a lay thing which is culturally
very different for him anyway so we we used
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to come and go you know so i think i think
that moment of the monastic order starting
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on plum on vulture peak is very important
for our history because when i see this 300
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years from now i see that's i i for me it's
clear it's a fourfold sangha that's the charter
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of the tipian that's the revolution of thai
is the fourfold sangha i mean the buddha said
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it too but it's not just high but it's very
much so i think he's always encouraged us
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in that way
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yeah i'm sorry i don't know whether that's
one answer but it's not the yeah it's just
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when you watch the sunset you know you're
watching the sunset like the buddha watched
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and thai watched and you sit there for me
it's always in the footsteps of thai it's
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i call it for such a buddha but i can see
thai everywhere when i go on pilgrimage you
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know where he sat and i work out where buddha
would have sat but i know where thai's at
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and where thai's you know had his which rock
he sat under and how you know it's so he's
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imprinted in india and he's a child in india
you should see some photographs actually i
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brought a photograph of him in india it's
in your dining room that one which is with
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the mic with a broken mic i think he's like
he was like a little child like meeting his
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teacher and his eyes would light up in each
place he was like so i think here he was a
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bit of a sage you know after a while everyone
saw him but there was even when he came last
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time he was like a young boy meeting his own
teacher yeah thank you shantim and i would
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always say he was so proud of the book old
pathway clouds because he felt he was able
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to give give back the buddha his humanity
and so um through thai studies through his
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time researching in the libraries and through
tai's own practice and being in community
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it became so important for him that the buddha
is not a god but is really a human being and
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i think what all our speakers have shared
so far is thai's own humanity and tai's own
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humility and joy that really came through
thank you dear francoise and shantum we have
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i have to be a little bit vigilant with the
time so these are just taster uh words uh
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thank you for sharing your hearts and your
experience with us so we would like to offer
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you our flowers of gratitude and the conversations
can continue as the retreat continues thank
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you so much
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thank you thank you [Music] so from this period
of tai we have books like the sun my heart
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which is a very deep book and also the favorite
of many of the monastics if you haven't read
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this one this is a wonderful book
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and then we have uh being peace and really
the theme of peace in thai's writings so we
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would like to invite our next uh ones to come
up first of all we will start with sister
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gina and steffy and then we would like to
invite sister benim and bettina to join you
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so dears a ghost in muay
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so around the time that uh uh sister gina
was coming and steffy was coming in the very
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early 1990s as we as we were here tai was
really beginning to teach about the sutra
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on the full awareness of breathing so his
first commentary on this is called breathe
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you are alive and it went on towards the end
of the 1990s tai then offered a 21-day retreat
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on the 16 exercises of mindful breathing in
vermont in the us and that book is called
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the path of emancipation so you get a sense
of the sorry oh sorry this was in florida
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so uh you get it in key west so you get a
sense of the uh the ripening of ty's teachings
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about breathing but maybe we would like to
hear a little bit how sister gina appeared
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in plum village how did this happen and sister
gina was already a monastic at this time in
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the japanese soto tradition so dearsoco how
how did you get here
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part of the way on foot not by choice though
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um so i want yeah and which year was it yeah
thank you 19 the first 21 day retreat in june
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uh
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1990 1990 yeah so yes um so i was already
ordained in the japanese tradition and after
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three years in a japanese temple sotto school
in japan and i had a great need to study the
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dharma more because my japanese was not enough
not good enough to follow all the teachings
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that were given of course in japanese so i
came to the west and somewhere in one of i
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visited certain centers and in one of the
centers i found a magazine called the mindfulness
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bell number one
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yes and i opened it read it and i thought
that's where i want to go and in it it was
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the announcements in a three-week retreat
what was it what is psychology i think buddhist
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psychology in this place called plum village
merak france so i registered and um i knew
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emme so i looked up and somehow i figured
out i can't remember how that it was near
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eme which is not very far from here so that
okay i'll just go to email and then i'll go
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to this place called mirak so i fly in bordeaux
take a train you know end up in mma and then
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um realized there was no way there was no
transportation direction mirak so i looked
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in the telephone book and i looked for plumbers
from finnish property in oakland village so
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and then i looked at every entry and i then
i found um buddhist initiation something something
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something so the unified buddhist church or
something in french and i thought well i'll
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try that one there can't be many buddhist
centers it it may just be that one so i called
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and um a friendly lady lady's voice let's
put it that way answer the phone answered
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and i said well you know i'm on my way to
plum village and i am in emme and how do i
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get to where you are and she said well you're
not supposed to be there we only go to century
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i don't know where central is so she said
sorry we have no car available so i said don't
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worry i'll walk and then she said well as
soon as a car comes back we sent you away
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i said oh compassion [Laughter] and it was
a very hot day i had a backpack not too big
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and i was started to walk and sometimes i
get migraine when i haven't had enough to
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drink and it's very hot and i developed a
migraine as i walked and every time i put
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my foot down it went in my head so i walked
very carefully i mean you know the way i put
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my foot on the earth and i walked in and then
a certain point i came to a tree and i thought
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i have to sit down it was very hot and i sat
down and then a little beaten up uh cream
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renoka french car arrived and uh somebody
opened windows and said you must be centered
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sister gina i thought oh saved [Laughter]
so they turned around and then drove me to
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the lower hamlet here i was welcomed by an
western sister and then we walked to um two
-
roomers going to stay or something and she
said i have to follow my breathing when i'm
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walking and i thought does she have a migraine
too [Laughter] it was just the annabelle who
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welcomed me so
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a very very diligent um [Music] and very kind
sister as i got to know her i mean i i am
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how did i say this i perceived her as a very
kind and and diligent sister and i thought
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oh she's going to be a role model for me um
yes so that was my arrival here and then towards
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the end of the 21-day retreat could you share
a little bit about that retreat was it can
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you rem what was thai teaching was and how
did tai seem when you met him because this
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would have been the first time you met him
in person yes um so i was very impressed i
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wondered whether this teacher was touching
the earth at all it seemed to be floating
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just above the earth and and
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what really struck me was that tyra's speaking
[Music]
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using a very simple language for a very deep
teaching
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and i realized i understand the words and
i need to be careful not to think because
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i understand the words i have realized it
and that there is a life of practice and looking
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deeply and things behind those words so that
was my my my um first impression and a lot
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of gratefulness you know for a teacher like
thai able to to teach in that way and this
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would have been one of thai's first retreats
in english as well yes of course that i wasn't
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aware of [Laughter] here in plum village yes
uh it was the first uh retreat in english
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and the first 21 day retreat um and many many
people who've been here before many from different
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traditions also the japanese sotho tradition
rinzai many many different traditions came
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together here to study with thai that also
made me look ah because i only knew the subtle
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tradition and only the japanese from japanese
so i thought well this teacher offers something
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obviously that many people are looking for
and i don't mean to say all than to step over
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to to to the privileged tradition but to deepen
or understand their own tradition they were
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in better yeah and so what struck you about
the atmosphere that you found here then in
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1990 what what was i mean obviously we've
heard the buildings were very very simple
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does not look like a japanese zen temple and
what else struck you about that atmosphere
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here and what was different but also still
zen yes
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it was the most diverse group i'd encounter
on retweets
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and the atmosphere was one of i would not
have called it at that time but sister and
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brotherhood a family you know yeah although
from very different uh traditions uh different
-
nationalities that never been to a retreat
with so many different nationalities although
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the americans were i think very well represented
shantam was there i thought oh india is here
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too is that oh india is here too yes i was
very very impressed by um the diversity because
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i had not seen that before anywhere else yeah
and so you left after the 21 day retreat no
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in fact i never left [Laughter] um i i had
lived my life um moving from country to country
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i lived in 11 countries out of my own choice
not because of jobs and things like that so
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towards the end of the 30 the three-week retreat
uh one of the um sisters who lived there approached
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me and said it i said we should invite you
to stay indefinitely i thought that's that
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word is not in my dictionary
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but we'll see so that was in 1990 i'm getting
me close to indefinitely
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i'm still here quite close i'm still here
and that is because um
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it is always new in some way or another or
maybe i have learned through thai's teaching
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to look at all that is always new is never
the same it's the impermanence maybe and the
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non-self i think those that teaching really
um yeah spoke to me and speaks to me and is
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really expressed in the sangha that continues
to evolve depending who is here and how the
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atmosphere is changed by the people that are
here and so i think at the beginning of your
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era there were then the summer retreats that
were more international with international
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guests coming to the upper hamlet yes right
and the vietnamese guests were in the lower
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hamlet here really and so i think that was
one of the few times when nuns were living
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in the upper hammond and then so hosting a
very international diverse community uh up
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in the upper hamlet so then the two rivers
we start to get the sense of different rivers
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coming into the community and that international
river may be growing every summer
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yes
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and it has grown a lot that river and also
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when when you all arrived i think i said and
i saw all of you i thought ty is so happy
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because um i don't think there's one person
who can continue thai but as a sangha we can
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continue thai and and i also see the sangha
is the most precious gift that thai has offered
-
us yeah i'm very grateful so thai is very
happy as always very happy to see all of you
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here
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thank you dears ago so we have steffi here
sitting next to you and steffy you arrived
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at a similar time and would you like to share
what kind of community you found in which
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year you came
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yes it's i just can relate to the to the sangha
because margaret and i we arrived in the first
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time in september 93 and we just came here
for one week and it was in september and tai
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was on a long tour in america so thai was
not even here and what we encountered was
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a beautiful sangha and even sister gina was
not here because he was in america um and
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i remember the the moment we arrived um helga
from germany she was sitting in front of the
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person building where she was living together
with her husband carl and she was very friendly
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and she received us very openly and and it
was a small sangha and i remember as well
-
when we we did uh we got an introduction for
walking meditation by sister ellini she now
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lives in new hamlet and we were with the three
of us just sister ellie margaret and i and
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she was teaching us how to do walking meditation
and we walked through the forest and then
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in the middle of the forest we stopped there
and we sang the song being an island unto
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myself and then i fall in love um completely
with plum village after the first dharma sharing
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i think what really really touched my heart
was that we bow to each other that was really
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a completely new experience to sit in a group
and that someone really was deeply listening
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to me and margaret and i by the time we lived
in a community in holland and we had a quite
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a challenging community life there and not
so well listening to each other and we came
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to plum village be because we read an article
in a dutch newspaper and the title was the
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village of peace in france and we thought
oh that sounds good we really need peace so
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and then after this one week we decided this
is a good place we want to stay here longer
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we want to be a permanent resident of plum
village and so we organized our lives and
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we came back in the following year march 94
and we stayed on then for two years being
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part of the of the resident community of plum
village and so at this time thai the community
-
was very small just maybe a couple of dozen
guests and a couple of dozen monastics and
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i think you were sharing earlier that everyone
could fit in the small red candle hall for
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dharma talks or for meditations and so on
and would you like to share a little bit how
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tai was teaching you at that time and something
i would love to hear about what happened one
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day when you went to the upper hamlet for
a day of mindfulness and something unexpected
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unfolded oh yes something very unexpected
unfolded it was at the end of the winter retreat
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and i think it was a winter retreat 90 at
the end of 1994-95
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and entirette asked us during the winter retreat
very often please write letters i would like
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to know how the practice is going i need your
feedback i need your feedback from my talks
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and he asked us several times and then quite
at the end of the winter retreat we came up
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to the upper hamlet and the torque would take
in the small transformation hole so not in
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the big hole so you can imagine that big was
the winter retreat so we all fit it in in
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the transformation hall and then we entered
the hall and it was a completely different
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setup all no cushions only tables with shares
like in a school and i no it was it was an
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upper hand at margaret
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you would like to come sit next to me
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okay it was an upper hamlet and he was already
in the room and on each table there was a
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stack of paper with a plum village mark on
it very official you know and i was looking
-
very seriously and he said so examination
today
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and and then we all sat at the table it's
a little bit um said okay there's a final
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examination after the winter retreat you have
to sit down and then you write this examination
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take out your pencil it was really like a
very very serious teacher and then we sat
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down and he wrote 10 questions on the white
board the first was how is your sitting meditation
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how is your walking meditation how is your
eating meditation how do you practice with
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strong emotions have you practiced uh beginning
a new are you in harmony with the sangha so
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ten questions and we said oh you really could
feel a very dense uh energy and then all in
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a sudden he turned around and with this really
big smile he smiled at us and he said so uh
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you haven't wrote me a letter i have not received
enough letters so this is now my way i need
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some feedback because my teachings depend
very much on what you are sharing with me
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and so let's enjoy writing this letter to
me and then he smiled and all in a sudden
-
this energy of of being very serious with
just one smile and one sentence he dissolved
-
it and yeah you just could see that ty had
a lot of fun uh by himself to have uh put
-
us first in this place and then giving us
this relaxation and and you did all have to
-
do then sit there and actually do it yes we
did it all and then and it took two hours
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or even three hours to answer all these questions
and then and then in the next dumber talks
-
he kind of gave us a feedback on what we had
written and i know one friend she had written
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on the question how was your eating meditation
she wrote my eating meditation is good and
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then i said in the summer talk okay listen
this is not enough you can write that that
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the food is good and delicious but only writing
my eating meditation is good that's not enough
-
reflection [Laughter] so this is so wonderful
because we really get the sense of a teacher
-
really wanting to develop the practices and
the way to train his students and so you're
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part of the kind of laboratory of teachings
and practices as tai was developing all of
-
the dharma doors that he was in the 1990s
the particular way of walking meditation here
-
in plum village the particular way of offering
guided meditation which is one of the things
-
that tai has really offered the west and didn't
exist in the west before thai started to create
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these ways to combine key phrases with the
breathing and of course a relaxed way of eating
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meditation that's not as rigid as in many
buddhist traditions and so on so and i think
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tai was at this point also very excited in
all the communication practices around deep
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listening loving speech beginning anew and
also the peace treaty so i would like to invite
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bettina and sister binyum also if sister binyum
you're still here wonderful to come up we
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can have maybe could someone help bring one
more chair would be wonderful can we squeeze
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three in the sofa can we be cozy in the sofa
bettina do you think you can fit in very intimate
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sisterhood you can manage okay wonderful
-
you get the sense of the sisterhood spirit
from the 1990s in lower hamlet
-
so uh sister binyam would you like to share
a bit about your arrival here to lower hamlet
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and what community did you find in which year
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well i first arrived in 1993 as a lee person
in upper hamlet in summer retreat and was
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very very beautiful experience i fell in love
with i fell in love with blood village right
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away i had met tai already in germany on a
retreat that spring and i fell in love with
-
it there already but then with the community
here again yeah i just already when i met
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tai just from i don't know five day retreat
i think it was i felt i want to be a nun and
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i can't be what isn't done you don't even
know what a nun is you don't you can't say
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that but it was in me and i came here now
wow the free the freedom the peace peace as
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freedom not freedom doing crazy things but
the peace here and also sought away from civilization
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in a good way sort of not the stress and you
have to like this and you have to do this
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but to live from the inside was very very
very important to me
-
i didn't become a nun right away because i
didn't trust myself with this inner voice
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for a while but i came back regularly to plum
village and to thai at that time came to germany
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every year so i came to retreat with thai
and this deepened my practice my life for
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thai for plum village i had my own little
sangha at home and at some point i knew yes
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i really want and i can trust that i want
to be a nun and was in mulhat too with my
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mother who was old and sick i decided to stay
with her and let go of that dream for the
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moment but it really developed or became stronger
that i really trusted it well while i was
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with my mother four was a wish between but
then it was yes that's what i want to after
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my mother died i came to plum village in december
96 and there we had just bought or blameless
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had just bought the new hamlet i've been used
to the upper hamlet and the west hamlet and
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i almost stayed in the west hamill but everything
was in the upper hamlet under linden tree
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and then i was in the new helmet that year
was the first year of the new hamlet and no
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lay friends were allowed that time because
the nuns should first nuns before when the
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lower hamlet should sort of find their their
uh fight together again in this new place
-
and well there were lots of things to do also
i have one one not just the winter between
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sort of one year nearly a few months they're
in the new hamlet just being on their own
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to to
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to become the new hamlet sangha and that was
very good for me i could really be with the
-
nuns right away otherwise i would have been
with the lay friends and some where the nuns
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but so i could be there from the beginning
-
so the the dawn of having of some plum village
expansion um because i think there was um
-
plum village was a little bit illegal at the
beginning i think the paperwork in france
-
was quite complicated and i think in the summer
retreat of 2005-6 suddenly um i think lower
-
hamlet was shut down and that is the origin
to why new hamlet was bought because they
-
had hundreds of people we heard those numbers
from sister dinium hundreds of people coming
-
for the summer retreat and it was illegal
to have it here and there was an old i think
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it was some kind of children's home that was
up for sale and they managed to find a donor
-
to buy new hamlet so they could still have
a summer retreat so it was a last minute purchase
-
and that's the origin and then they took that
opportunity of having different environments
-
to then create a monastic environment there
in the new hamlet and sistibenium as a aspirant
-
to be was able to join that atmosphere and
then here in the lower hamlet it became a
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lay community for a couple of years and so
bettina i wonder if you would like to share
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a little bit about the effect of that here
in the lower hamlet um so when the new hamlet
-
was bought and all the sisters of laura hamlet
has been invited to move to new hamlet the
-
lower hamlet was a place where we could live
together as a lay community for up to i think
-
nearly two years 98 and there have been a
german dharma teacher couple karl enter garidel
-
who now was the indesign sangha in germany
in design center and the vietnamese dharma
-
teacher couple an huang tintri now fabloo
and sister queen yem and also juan and and
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duke have been there and we yes the daughter
and some other friends and so we've we were
-
suddenly yeah in this situation to run the
hamlet and it was a wonderful time because
-
we felt a lot of trust from the community
from thai to really make that possible and
-
it was really wonderful to do and yeah on
all levels worked together as a sangha and
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we had guests it was a normal life like in
all the other hamlets with the two days of
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mindfulness and in the beginning very exciting
the first mindfulness day the first christmas
-
festival and all that and it was a day of
a lot of a time of lot of learning and coming
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together and yeah giving a lot of empowerment
and also beautifully in this time being together
-
with a monastic community on these days and
chai was often coming on lazy days around
-
resting a little bit in his room and walking
around and asking us when he met us are you
-
lazy enough
-
and we felt really good taken care by him
by this question and showing up and yeah also
-
like you said the community was so small in
this time and we had not access to thai as
-
not monastics but he was somehow he was very
present and available and walking around and
-
a little here there and a little how it's
going there and
-
yeah he even visited us on the chat visiting
room thing it was climbing up persimmon up
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there and so it was a wonderful wonderful
time this period and what would you feel with
-
the kind of em the place the teaching that
tai was highlighting most at this time what
-
was he speaking about in the talks what was
he guiding you all on i guess it's very very
-
very personal of course what i choose to say
now i think in this year there have been a
-
lot of this basic practices like the sutra
anapanasati and a lot of living in harmony
-
together and we were not asked to have a test
but we got sometimes homeworks i remember
-
in this years like writing about what did
you do when you had a crisis did you really
-
take refuge into the buddha in you and the
sangha or did you start to judge and do all
-
these things so this kind and um for me it's
it's the most i think through all these years
-
of this big treasure of ty's teachings to
embody always inviting us to embody what he
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was talking about like to really then practice
beginning you or to really breathe when you
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are excited and so um yeah i feel very basic
living in the moment living the teachings
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and also i've had a lot of
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relaxation you know this are you lazy enough
it's for me also a sentence of this time of
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uh really we had a lot to do of course with
the hamlet but the main thing was how is the
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energy you are doing things always coming
back to what is your energy and how is your
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being and then to move out and do your activities
i thought somehow it was very fundamental
-
very basic very grounding
-
a good a good memory to have the art of being
peace and also while in action and sister
-
binyum do you have similar memories of this
time what struck you most about this special
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period in the 1990s
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well after one year i came to the lower hamlet
sister gina had been come the abbas and
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it was no longer hamlet then was it two years
from all i know it was 98 probably and then
-
they were only 12 there i think they started
with eight and then four of us came down came
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from new hamlet here and we were 12 and summer
retreat people came it was full here and 12
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of us had to do several things not just pot
washing but this and then that but i loved
-
it very much it was very beautiful for me
when you asked bettina what was the teaching
-
there all of a sudden it popped up to me i
mean thai i can't say i remember that when
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i came as a aspirant the first two winters
tai was teaching the sutras that i know he
-
just took the chanting book and and taught
sutra after sutra and i remember that sometimes
-
some in the middle of the suit were teaching
he's talked about sister so-and-so doing this
-
and that he always his teaching was very personal
he never just taught a sutra but he explained
-
then with the problem of a system it was very
very applied sutra that unknown ties uh never
-
we should never just study the sutras uh any
texts if they don't apply to our life if we
-
don't practice it there's no sense in knowing
them and when you asked patina came up in
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me that at that time tai was sort of for a
while
-
advancing the idea that every not just every
country but every big city should have a mindfulness
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practice center without monastics just lay
people and that's when
-
karl schmidt brought asked karen helga to
leave plum village to come and he bought intersign
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center in germany and they are to this day
the the dharma teachers of intersign that
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was they left here i think two thousand i'm
not totally sure 90 i ordained in february
-
98 i think they might have left 99 and i think
worldwide it's the only one that at least
-
that stayed longer but that was a big thing
for thai at that time so tai is sort of developing
-
the practices here in the community context
and setting of plan village and then really
-
inviting everyone to experiment back in their
home towns and cities and i think the 1990s
-
was also a period when a lot of sanghas started
all over europe and all over the u.s so it
-
was around this time that tai was teaching
the heart of the buddha's teachings so from
-
his research the elements that he felt were
the most important for all his students to
-
understand and this remains on amazon one
of the best-selling buddhist books in in the
-
english language
-
and it was around this time we have the book
uh touching peace the art of mindful living
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in community the book of the poems the gatters
that you see posted around in the bathrooms
-
and the bedrooms these are translated from
the tradition and then really applied here
-
in plum village this book is called present
moment wonderful moment and there's a new
-
edition of that out now and thai's kind of
number one uh book next to the miracle of
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mindfulness peace is every step also came
out at this time so there was really with
-
the presence of the community around tai he's
really exploring what would a community of
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peace look like and what would practices of
peace look like
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so i think we're halfway through the books
we wish we would have more time i have two
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more sofas of people i would love just to
to bring up here and i hope we can get through
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everyone by dinner so thank you so much to
our sisters lay and monastic from the 1990s
-
thank you so much and i would like thank you
yes flowers and gratitude for you all being
-
here thank you so i would like to invite lisa
renika and jesse to come up so we will fast
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forward a little bit uh through the 2000s
[Music] and we will look at some of the ways
-
that thai's engagement and socially engaged
buddhism applied buddhism has expressed itself
-
we will be cozy on the sofa this is an intimate
sisterhood sofa
-
maybe we can listen to a sound of the bell
to refresh our hearts and our breathing and
-
arrive into this precious moment
-
[Music]
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so before this panel started i said it will
be a challenge with the time you'll have at
-
least three minutes maybe four or five but
i think we're down to three so
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um lisa you are from jerusalem and you first
encountered tai i'd i'm not sure whether it
-
was when he came to israel um but if you would
like to share a bit about his um powerful
-
trip to israel in i believe 1997 and the impact
that had
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thank you dear tai dear sangha it was remarkable
1997 he must have touched thousands of people
-
in throughout israel we had a five-day retreat
silent retreat that was really incredible
-
to have a thousand silent jews for five days
-
and as a result of his visit oh my goodness
dozens of sanghas sprang out sprung up all
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over all over israel and practice very dedicated
practices started all over the country that
-
was 1997 and at the time i was a war correspondent
for the boston globe working in jerusalem
-
and i had covered many suicide bombings and
months before they arrived one of the suicide
-
bombings ended up with me feeling incredible
love for this suicide bomber and i didn't
-
understand why and when i met tai and sister
chen kong sister chen kang explained to me
-
that my heart had discovered its buddha nature
so that was a revolution in my life and from
-
then on i [Music] i left journalism and i
became a peace activist and i helped to found
-
a peace academy in a palestinian school in
in east jerusalem which was a really remarkable
-
experience and and time [Music] and then sister
luke neem and brother fab lai and a few other
-
monastics came to do a day of mindfulness
with us in the school and then i saw what
-
teaching really was and i saw how the kids
who normally turned the classroom upside down
-
or turned upside down themselves in a really
good way and i realized that's what i want
-
to do i want to i want to work with mindfulness
with with they worked with all ages it was
-
it was a drastic change from the way the school
normally was and so i brought a team of palestinian
-
of my students here to a wake up retreat a
couple of years ago before before the pandemic
-
hit and that was that was it that was so remarkable
the first thing is palestinians are very much
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i think like the vietnamese they only want
their own cooking so they took over the kitchen
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and they cooked for 500 young people from
around the globe and they were received with
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such warmth um the monastics were so lovely
they they set up our dinner underneath the
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trees the thai planted on upper hamlet and
they had the musicians playing classical music
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and we ate maklouba it's called upside down
we ate it in silence listening to this music
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and it was it was this massive prayer for
palestine and for everybody and then at the
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end of the wake up retreat our palestinian
youngsters uh were gonna dance their their
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debka their their national dance but none
of them could dance you know so they stood
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there and they heard the music and they had
the rhythm in them but they couldn't they
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couldn't quite get the steps out and so 500
young people from around the globe rushed
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the stage and jumped up and down shouting
free free palestine free we you know we we
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can't change the world but we can change the
world but we can dance for you thank you lisa
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for this beautiful testimony and tai um as
some of you may know in 2003 hosted an incredible
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encounter with people from both palestine
and from israel practicing deeply together
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for two weeks first separately and then after
about a week or ten days of practice creating
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moments for the groups um to be able to speak
to one another of their own suffering and
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i think a lot of the sort of interventions
that tai has made at the international level
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around how dialogue is possible between warring
parties comes from tai's work of compassion
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with the israelis and palestinians and lisa's
continuing to work to bring more palestinians
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here every year and also coming this summer
so this is one way in which thai's peace work
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uh is continuing and we're very happy to support
you in that lisa thank you so much thank you
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so dear renika you would like to start about
your share your journey um which i guess both
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your personal journey and then how your own
practice has expressed itself in engaged uh
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action within the sangha and beyond thank
you um the thai de beloved community um [Music]
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so this is a journey really that um started
with both of us so it's really a journey of
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um both of our beginning of what i'm going
to say and it started at plum village 2004
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and actually i remember the conflict resolution
that happened and 2004 was like an exploration
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to oh meditation yes i've heard of meditation
it's it's part of my culture but i'm not quite
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sure what that means because it was kind of
lost because i was i grew up in england and
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there was not a lot of meditation going on
there and the things that i did understand
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was um was kind of a bit mystic so i didn't
really understand any of it so then i went
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in search for what meditation was and it's
what brought me to plum village and um on
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that year i also um recognized that there
wasn't many teachers that were not like from
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the east in the west and so that was kind
of my personal journey really to kind of explore
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that side of practice and take that home really
did speak to me in many ways um and so did
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a lot of the monastics and one of the monastics
i'd like to mention is sister jewell kyra
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jewel she's now deroged and she's doing a
lot of the practice and teachings out in the
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uh us and she was kind of like a mentor to
me in a way that she really uh
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she kind of she had an eye on on on people
like me let's put it this way and she asked
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she invited me to kind of speak about my practice
and my trainings one of the five mindfulness
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trainings in the uk and it's not something
i do it's this is really not me i do not do
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big presentations i'm pretty shy but it was
it was an opportunity to recognize that this
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wasn't just me speaking it was for my ancestors
and for the future generations like me who
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don't have access to this practice
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so that was my vision back in 2004 three and
four and um there was many barriers really
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i mean i'm going to go and talk about the
heart of london sanger is that okay okay well
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i'll just quickly say that um natasha was
part of asanga at in london heart of london
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at heart of london sanger known as natasha
then and we're very excited that she was going
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to become a monastic and we've we bid her
farewell and here she is and um part of that
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entering the sangha in london was not diverse
believe it or not even though london is a
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very diverse city it wasn't very diverse at
all and it didn't feel like um a home it wasn't
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a home for me and one of the dharma seals
as we've heard is i am home i have arrived
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and so i really wanted to create that in the
sangha so it took um quite a lot of efforts
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and a lot of stops and starts and i i found
a friend that was able to do that with me
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so i'm going to pass it on to jesse if we've
run it out of time
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thank you yeah um we met at that retreat in
2004 here and actually at that retreat was
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one of the retreats where palestinians and
israelis are invited to come and practice
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together and i remember i knew nothing about
plum village and i saw that happening and
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i thought ah okay this is what i want i want
something that's engaged with the world that
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can give me a path and yes we met here and
um i think that um something that happened
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for me is that i had enough for various causes
and conditions i had just enough awareness
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to realize what it what a challenge it would
be um to be in the sangha um as such a minority
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in that environment and um and me and renika
just clicked and we became very good friends
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and um she has built the colours of compassion
sanger in in the uk and in the in the heart
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of london to really make a home and it's been
a long journey where we we had many times
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of coming together not just us but us and
others slowly slowly slowing in organically
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to build friendships and and to um build both
awareness um with the with the white people
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in the sangha and just to slowly build that
and i know we haven't got time to tell the
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whole story so i'm not going to go into detail
but i think that um i really want to honor
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you because you've done something that i haven't
seen anywhere else i don't know if it's happening
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anywhere else but so far i haven't seen in
this tradition in europe which is to build
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that home where people can um just come and
find their solidity to be part of this sangha
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in europe yeah
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veronica would you like to share a little
bit about the joy of creating the colours
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of compassion sangha
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joy and colours of compassion are synonymous
because um we practice in the um spirit of
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honoring our ancestors and if you have together
we are one you'll book you'll see that um
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in that book there's many stories of people
um who are not white sharing their stories
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of um healing from the hurts of of the oppression
of the racial oppressions and um you know
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this is 52 of the population we're talking
about so it's it's it was really honorable
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to know that things that we could have voices
we could have that voice and also practice
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in the spirit of honoring and respecting our
own root tradition alongside this tradition
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and it had many meanings and it's very eclectic
it's not just one homogenous group so we have
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very many cultures and richness and times
of celebrating our own practices alongside
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thai's practices so it's been very joyful
to have the retreats that we did have in the
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uk led by um kyra jewell and we had three
of those it was filled out and i do believe
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that when the first um bipod poc retreat happened
um there was that was filled out to about
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500 people um in the u.s and it was all um
approved i guess by tai he he really supported
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this practice he supported these um retreats
he saw the um the amount of um healing that
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was taking place yeah thank you so much renika
jesse and lisa so we hope that uh this very
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brief testimony um can also inspire many of
us in our local sanghas to really see how
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we can support and empower the non-white members
in our sangers to have safe spaces uh to really
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ask how we can be of support how we can trust
and interest so that those spaces can take
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place and we hope here in plum village to
be able to create more such spaces for people
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of color so that we really have the representation
the diversity that is reflective of the world
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and so all of us can also and especially those
of us who have been socialized as white or
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present as white that we have a chance also
to look deeply and to really practice non-discrimination
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compassion and generosity from a real place
of deep understanding [Music] of racial inequity
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in the world and that's part of our path as
thai students and for me when we speak about
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this as a community i feel we're really honoring
the legacy of thai's friendship with dr martin
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luther king so if we see ourselves as thai
student this is also part of our work to do
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and to support so thank you so much to our
wonderful sofa here present and uh we heard
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the we heard the dinner bell but if uh if
you would like to return to your seats i would
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just like to introduce to you uli annika and
dorote if you're still here dojote
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yes please just come up briefly and i would
just like to to introduce you we wanted to
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show also the future of plum village and many
of the directions where thai's work is going
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so we have anika representing the international
wake up community dojote representing our
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happy farms which are organic vegetable farms
that thai insisted we should start developing
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here in plum village and uli from germany
representing our earth holder community uh
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and tai's teachings to bring uh love and peace
and healing to the earth so i wonder if i
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can give you each one minute with the microphone
and then we promise we'll go and serve our
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dinner so annika a few lines
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um dear tadia sanger one minute well maybe
what i can say is that
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i'm probably not representing wake up i can
only i'm happy to coordinate for wake up and
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to see that it's growing and flourishing that
the pandemic has given rise to even more
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the river growing or becoming even stronger
and wake up sanghas all over the world opening
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their doors to just everyone instead of just
functioning locally
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i've seen lian in many online meetings who
is now he's sitting here as an aspirant and
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is so engaged also with extinction rebellion
and i think showing very beautifully the the
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spirit of wake up of young people who are
happy to find belonging in a uh and empowerment
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through mindfulness through the practice um
yeah who find a home in the practice as well
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as like-minded people who want to work and
engage for a better world and i'm deeply grateful
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to tai and the sangha for having given rise
to that and it's an honor to support this
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movement and i'm sad to grow out of it soon
[Laughter] [Music] yes thank you thank you
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annika so ty started the wake up movement
in 2008 in a summer retreat i wonder was anyone
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here in that summer retreat in that moment
so you may remember this funny moment when
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tai insisted that some of us stand up and
announce the creation of young buddhists and
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non-buddhists for a healthy and compassionate
society and i had to say this so many times
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and then i had to read out this announcement
and say the ybhcs which doesn't have the same
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ring to it as the ymca so so then we came
up with the phrase the wake up movement and
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tai was inspired to do this as we heard from
sister dinimum yesterday because tai had been
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working with young people since the beginning
of his career as a monk and he knew that young
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people can practice meditation young people
can practice mindfulness and that the aspiration
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of young people to be of service in the world
when supported by a mindfulness practice can
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really help young people serve as a community
as a collective and he did that in vietnam
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with the school of youth for social service
and was experimenting with the wake up movement
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here in the west to see how young people can
practice together to be seeds of change in
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the world so thank you anikaf and we have
also jazz in the upper hamlet who on a volunteer
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basis have been supporting this incredible
network of young people and we're so grateful
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to you annika for that and for doherty so
a couple of years after starting the wake
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up movement tai wanted to see how we can have
more young people in plum village and with
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the brothers he had the idea to create vegetable
farms so that we can really come and have
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time healing with the earth our hands in the
soil nurturing the seeds in the land so dojote
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one minute about the happy farms thank you
sister um dear hall um i don't know really
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how to start um of course plum village doesn't
wait the happy farm to manifest to grow food
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and to garden but i think we are also helping
with the happy farm the monastic community
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who doesn't have the time as a gardener to
spend so much time in the garden so that's
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also one of the aspects of the happy farm
who started in her parliament in 2012 and
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i did my first retreat in 2013 and i fall
in love with the practice and with the project
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of the happy farm i think at that time i see
my first eggplant plant aubergine plant and
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i was so amazed and so amazed about yeah what
what they share about this project is not
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obviously only about growing food but it's
also um yeah the linked with all the the metaphor
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that we can find in thai stitching uh with
the seeds you know is um yeah growing um nourishing
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ourselves and all yeah all the metaphors about
nature that we can find uh on his teaching
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we try to um to be with those teaching in
the garden i often uh tell myself that the
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the happy happy farm is my meditation hall
because sometimes i miss uh some of the other
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activity with the sangha because yeah may
and june are really um busy at the garden
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and i i really enjoy just knowing that the
song i also is practicing and i'm i'm practicing
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um in the happy farm yeah it's also a place
for transmitting and to inspired of um yeah
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from where come the food and maybe we can
all start growing our own food in any scale
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and yeah that's for me so uh important and
inspiring thank you thank you and what i i
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find fascinating is how tai was still experimenting
with what a healthy community looks like and
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a healthy community grows its own vegetables
in mindfulness and a healthy community is
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a place where young people can come and touch
peace and touch meaning and i feel also that
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with the wake up movement and the happy farm
thai was also seeing what he can offer the
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young generation who will face so many challenges
ahead in the coming decades what are the skills
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the the physical skills but also the inner
resilience and learnings that the young generations
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will need to survive the challenges ahead
so i feel it's a great gift that we're experimenting
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with in the wake up movement and with our
happy farms so thank you both and uli this
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is connected also to thai's teachings on the
earth and thai gave so many teachings on the
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earth i have we'll just show some of the books
that we may recognize the first one was called
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the world we have where tai really started
raising the alarm bell he described the climate
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crisis as a bell of mindfulness in this book
and then tai went further and said we need
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to fall in love with the earth and some of
us may remember these teachings in 2011 2012
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and they became the book love letters to the
earth and then more recently and the teachings
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that i gave to young people have become this
book zen and the art of saving the planet
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where we also have all of thai's teachings
on engaged action and ecology and thai's vision
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for how the young generation can protect our
world so ali what would you like to share
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about the earth holder community
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first i want to share that i'm reading this
book you mentioned the last and it's not only
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from tai it's also from sister to dedication
she writes many interesting parts in this
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book it's very inspiring
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one motivation to leave my beloved teacher
in the japanese center edition was that i
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could not uh combine this experience so like
this like this like this i could not combine
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this meditation practice with my political
activism i could not share it with my family
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and i could not share it with my students
in the university and i was a political activist
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since i started with my studies but i was
motivated by hate by fear and [Music]
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also filled with despair
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and to encounter ties teachings about activism
in a different kind it inspired me a lot being
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active out of love being active and at the
same time caring for yourself being active
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and not opposing someone not uh
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say you are guilty and i'm right no we are
in the same boat and the ones who make the
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coal mines in australia i'm fighting they
are in me and this is uh the poem
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of thai call me by my true names is the poem
for every activist you have no opponent the
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opponent is in your heart and this is a very
very deep teaching and i'm so grateful to
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have this teacher and to have a community
that shares this concern for mother earth
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thank you thank you uli so if you haven't
yet heard about
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the earth holder sangha or the gardian de
la terre here in france they have
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a wonderful website full of resources and
we're just starting in the last couple of
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years to develop earth holder groups here
on in europe and there are many already in
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america and they do a lot of online activities
which are wonderful to join discussions presentations
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and study study groups and it's a wonderful
way to express our love for the earth as tai
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has encouraged us to do
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so voila we arrive somewhere through some
kind of arc we've had a beautiful uh journey
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and we arrive to activism engagement and love
for the earth thank you for being up here
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our final cushion sofa group you can return
to your seats thank you so much and thank
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you everyone for your patience and generous
listening we've had a journey along the river
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of
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the sangha and
i hope you have felt the spirit of community
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that shines through the people that really
make the sangha and of course there are so
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many ways to still tell the story of plum
village maybe as many people as have experienced
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plum village that's how many stories there
are so we're just presenting a brief glimpse
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of flavor of the arc of growth and especially
as told by those who've practiced here in
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the lower hamlet so we will enjoy listening
to three sounds of
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the bell to close our session thank you so
much we can enjoy feeling feeling connected
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to one another and feeling enriched by everything
we've heard
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as
we enjoy these sounds of the bell
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you