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A tale of two political systems

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    Good morning.
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    My name is Eric Li, and I was born here.
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    But no, I wasn't born there.
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    This was where I was born:
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    Shanghai, at the height of the cultural revolution.
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    My grandmother tells me that she heard
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    the sound of gunfire along with my first cries.
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    When I was growing up, I was told a story
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    that explained all I ever needed to know about humanity.
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    It went like this.
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    All human societies develop in linear progression,
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    beginning with primitive society, then slave society,
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    feudalism, capitalism, socialism,
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    and finally, guess where we end up?
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    Communism!
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    Sooner or later, all of humanity,
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    regardless of culture, language, nationality,
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    will arrive at this final stage
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    of political and social development.
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    The entire world's peoples will be unified
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    in this paradise on earth
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    and live happily ever after.
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    But before we get there, we're engaged
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    in a struggle between good and evil,
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    the good of socialism against the evil of capitalism,
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    and the good shall triumph.
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    That, of course, was the meta-narrative
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    distilled from the theories of Karl Marx.
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    And the Chinese bought it.
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    We were taught that grand story day in and day out.
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    It became part of us, and we believed in it.
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    The story was a bestseller.
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    About one third of the entire world's population
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    lived under that meta narrative.
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    Then, the world changed overnight.
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    As for me, disillusioned by the failed religion of my youth,
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    I went to America and became a Berkeley hippie.
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    (Laughter)
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    Now, as I was coming of age, something else happened.
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    As if one big story wasn't enough,
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    I was told another one.
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    This one was just as grand.
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    It also claims that all human societies
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    develop in a linear progression towards a singular end.
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    This one went as follows.
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    All societies, regardless of culture,
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    be it Christian, Muslim, Confucian,
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    must progress from traditional societies
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    in which groups are the basic units
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    to modern societies in which atomized individuals
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    are the sovereign units,
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    and all these individuals are, by definition, rational,
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    and they all want one thing:
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    the vote.
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    Because they are all rational, once given the vote,
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    they produce good government
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    and live happily ever after.
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    Paradise on earth, again.
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    Sooner or later, electoral democracy will be
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    the only political system for all countries and all peoples,
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    with a free market to make them all rich.
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    But before we get there, we're engaged in a struggle
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    between good and evil.
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    (Laughter)
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    The good belongs to those who are democracies
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    and are charged with a mission of spreading it
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    around the globe, sometimes by force,
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    against the evil of those who do not hold elections.
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    George H.W. Bush: A new world order...
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    George W. Bush: ... ending tyranny in our world...
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    Barack Obama: ... a single standard for all
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    who would hold power.
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    Eric Li: Now...
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    (Laughter) (Applause)
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    This story also became a bestseller.
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    According to the Freedom House,
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    the number of democracies went from 45 in 1970
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    to 115 in 2010.
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    In the last 20 years, Western elites tirelessly
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    trotted around the globe selling this prospectus:
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    multiple parties fight for political power
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    and everyone voting on them
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    is the only path to salvation
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    to the long-suffering developing world.
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    Those who buy the prospectus are destined for success.
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    Those who do not are doomed to fail.
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    But this time, the Chinese didn't buy it.
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    Fool me once...
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    (Laughter)
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    The rest is history.
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    In just 30 years, China went from
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    one of the poorest agricultural countries in the world
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    to its second-largest economy.
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    Six hundred fifty million people
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    were lifted out of poverty.
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    Eighty percent of the entire world's poverty alleviation
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    during that period happened in China.
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    In other words, all the new and old democracies
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    put together amounted to a mere fraction
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    of what a single, one-party state did without voting.
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    See, I grew up on this stuff: food stamps.
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    Meat was rationed to a few hundred grams
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    per person per month at one point.
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    Needless to say, I ate all my grandmother's portions.
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    So I asked myself, what's wrong with this picture?
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    Here I am in my hometown,
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    my business growing leaps and bounds.
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    Entrepreneurs are starting companies every day.
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    Middle class is expanding in speed and scale
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    unprecedented in human history.
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    Yet, according to the grand story,
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    none of this should be happening.
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    So I went and did the only thing I could. I studied it.
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    Yes, China is a one-party state
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    run by the Chinese Communist Party, the Party,
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    and they don't hold elections.
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    Three assumptions are made
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    by the dominant political theories of our time.
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    Such a system is operationally rigid,
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    politically closed, and morally illegitimate.
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    Well, the assumptions are wrong.
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    The opposites are true.
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    Adaptability, meritocracy, and legitimacy
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    are the three defining characteristics
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    of China's one-party system.
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    Now, most political scientists will tell us
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    that a one-party system is inherently incapable
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    of self-correction.
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    It won't last long because it cannot adapt.
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    Now here are the facts.
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    In 64 years of running the largest country in the world,
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    the range of the party's policies has been wider
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    than any other country in recent memory,
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    from radical land collectivization to the Great Leap Forward,
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    then privatization of farmland,
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    then the Cultural Revolution,
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    then Deng Xiaoping's market reform,
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    then successor Jiang Zemin took the giant political step
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    of opening up party membership to private businesspeople,
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    something unimaginable during Mao's rule.
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    So the party self-corrects in rather dramatic fashions.
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    Institutionally, new rules get enacted
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    to correct previous dysfunctions.
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    For example, term limits.
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    Political leaders used to retain their positions for life,
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    and they used that to accumulate power
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    and perpetuate their rules.
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    Mao was the father of modern China,
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    yet his prolonged rule led to disastrous mistakes.
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    So the party instituted term limits
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    with mandatory retirement age of 68 to 70.
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    One thing we often hear is
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    political reforms have lagged far behind economic reforms
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    and China is in dire need of political reform.
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    But this claim is a rhetorical trap
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    hidden behind a political bias.
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    See, some have decided a priori
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    what kinds of changes they want to see,
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    and only such changes can be called political reform.
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    The truth is, political reforms have never stopped.
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    Compared with 30 years ago, 20 years, even 10 years ago,
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    every aspect of Chinese society,
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    how the country is governed,
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    from the most local level to the highest center,
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    are unrecognizable today.
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    Now such changes are simply not possible
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    without political reforms of the most fundamental kind.
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    Now I would venture to suggest the Party
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    is the world's leading expert in political reform.
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    The second assumption is that in a one-party state,
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    power gets concentrated in the hands of the few,
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    and bad governance and corruption follow.
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    Indeed, corruption is a big problem,
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    but let's first look at the larger context.
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    Now, this maybe be counterintuitive to you.
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    The Party happens to be one of the most meritocratic
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    political institutions in the world today.
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    China's highest ruling body, the Politburo, has 25 members.
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    In the most recent one, only five of them
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    came from a background of privilege, so-called princelings.
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    The other 20, including the President and the Premier,
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    came from entirely ordinary backgrounds.
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    In the larger central committee of 300 or more,
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    the percentage of those who were born
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    into power and wealth was even smaller.
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    The vast majority of senior Chinese leaders
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    worked and competed their way to the top.
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    Compare that with the ruling elites
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    in both developed and developing countries,
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    I think you'll find the Party being near the top
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    in upward mobility.
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    The question then is, how could that be possible
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    in a system run by one party?
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    Now we come to a powerful political institution,
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    little-known to Westerners:
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    the Party's Organization Department.
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    The Department functions like a giant
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    human resource engine that would be the envy
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    of even some of the most successful corporations.
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    It operates a rotating pyramid
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    made up of three components:
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    civil service, state-owned enterprises,
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    and social organizations like a university
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    or a community program.
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    They form separate yet integrated career paths
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    for Chinese officials.
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    They recruit college grads into entry-level positions
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    in all three tracks, and they start from the bottom,
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    called kuyen.
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    Then they could get promoted
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    through four increasingly elite ranks:
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    fuke, ke, fuchu, and chu.
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    Now these are not moves from karate kids, okay?
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    It's serious business.
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    The range of positions is wide,
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    from running health care in a village
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    to foreign investment in a city district
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    to manager in a company.
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    Once a year, the department reviews their performance.
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    They interview their superiors, their peers,
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    their subordinates. They vet their personal conduct.
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    They conduct public opinion surveys.
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    Then they promote the winners.
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    Throughout their careers, these cadres
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    can move through and out of all three tracks.
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    Over time, the good ones move beyond the four base levels
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    to the fuju and ju levels.
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    There, they enter high officialdom.
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    By that point, a typical assignment will be
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    to manage a district with population in the millions
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    or a company with hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue.
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    Just to show you how competitive the system is,
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    in 2012, there were 900,000 fuke and ke levels,
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    600,000 fuchu and chu levels,
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    and only 40,000 fuju and ju levels.
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    After the ju levels,
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    the best few move further up several more ranks,
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    and eventually make it to the Central Committee.
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    The process takes two to three decades.
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    Does patronage play a role? Yes of course.
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    But merit remains the fundamental driver.
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    In essence, the Organization Department runs
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    a modernized version of China's centuries-old
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    mentoring system.
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    China's new President, Xi Jinping,
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    is son of a former leader, which is very unusual,
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    first of his kind to make the top job.
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    Even for him, the career took 30 years.
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    He started as a village manager,
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    and by the time he entered the Politburo,
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    he had managed areas with total population
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    of 150 million people
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    and combined GDPs of 1.5 trillion U.S. dollars.
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    Now, please don't get me wrong, okay?
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    This is not a putdown of anyone. It's just a statement of fact.
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    George W. Bush, remember him?
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    This is not a putdown.
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    (Laughter)
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    Before becoming Governor of Texas,
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    or Barack Obama before running for President,
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    could not make even a small county manager
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    in China's system.
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    Winston Churchill once said that democracy
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    is a terrible system except for all the rest.
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    Well, apparently he hadn't heard of the Organization Department.
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    Now, Westerners always assume that
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    multi-party election with universal suffrage
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    is the only source of political legitimacy.
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    I was asked once, "The Party wasn't voted in by election.
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    Where is the source of legitimacy?"
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    I said, "How about competency?"
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    We all know the facts.
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    In 1949, when the Party took power,
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    China was mired in civil wars, dismembered by foreign aggression,
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    average life expectancy at that time, 41 years old.
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    Today, it's the second largest economy in the world,
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    an industrial powerhouse, and its people live
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    in increasing prosperity.
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    Pew Research polls Chinese public attitudes,
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    and here are the numbers in recent years.
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    Satisfaction with the direction of the country: 85 percent.
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    Those who think they're better off than five years ago,
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    70 percent.
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    Those who expect the future to be better,
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    a whopping 82 percent.
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    Financial Times polls global youth attitudes,
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    and these numbers, brand new, just came from last week.
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    Ninety-three percent of China's Generation Y
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    are optimistic about their country's future.
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    Now, if this is not legitimacy, I'm not sure what is.
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    In contrast, most electoral democracies around the world
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    are suffering from dismal performance.
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    I don't need to elaborate for this audience
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    how dysfunctional it is from Washington to European capitals.
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    With a few exceptions, the vast number
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    of developing countries that have adopted electoral regimes
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    are still suffering from poverty and civil strife.
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    Governments get elected, and then they fall
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    below 50 percent approval in a few months
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    and stay there and get worse until the next election.
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    Democracy is becoming a perpetual cycle
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    of elect and regret.
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    At this rate, I'm afraid it is democracy,
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    not China's one-party system, that is in danger
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    of losing legitimacy.
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    Now, I don't want to create the misimpression
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    that China's hunky-dory on the way
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    to some kind of superpowerdom.
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    The country faces enormous challenges.
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    Social and economic problems that come
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    with wrenching change like this are mind-boggling.
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    Pollution is one. Food safety. Population issues.
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    On the political front, the worst problem is corruption.
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    Corruption is widespread and undermines the system
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    and its moral legitimacy.
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    But most analysts mis-diagnose the disease.
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    They say that corruption is the result of the one-party system,
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    and therefore, in order to cure it,
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    you have to do away with the entire system.
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    But a more careful look would tell us otherwise.
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    Transparency International ranks China
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    between 70 and 80 in recent years among 170 countries,
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    and it's been moving up.
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    India, the largest democracy in the world,
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    94 and dropping.
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    For the hundred or so countries that are ranked below China,
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    more than half of them are electoral democracies.
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    So if election is the panacea for corruption,
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    how come these countries can't fix it?
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    Now, I'm a venture capitalist. I make bets.
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    It wouldn't be fair to end this talk without
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    putting myself on the line and making some predictions.
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    So here they are.
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    In the next 10 years, China will surpass the U.S.
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    and become the largest economy in the world.
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    Income per capita will be near the top
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    of all developing countries.
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    Corruption will be curbed, but not eliminated,
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    and China will move up 10 to 20 notches
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    to above 60 in T.I. ranking.
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    Economic reform will accelerate, political reform will continue,
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    and the one-party system will hold firm.
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    We live in the dusk of an era.
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    Meta-narratives that make universal claims
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    failed us in the 20th century
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    and are failing us in the 21st.
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    Meta-narrative is the cancer
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    that is killing democracy from the inside.
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    Now, I want to clarify something.
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    I'm not here to make an indictment of democracy.
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    On the contrary, I think democracy contributed
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    to the rise of the West and the creation of the modern world.
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    It is the universal claim that many Western elites
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    are making about their political system, the hubris,
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    that is at the heart of the West's current ills.
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    If they would spend just a little less time
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    on trying to force their way onto others,
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    and a little bit more on political reform at home,
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    they might give their democracy a better chance.
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    China's political model will never supplant
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    electoral democracy, because unlike the latter,
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    it doesn't pretend to be universal.
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    It cannot be exported. But that is the point precisely.
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    The significance of China's example
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    is not that it provides and alternative
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    but the demonstration that alternatives exist.
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    Let us draw to a close this era of meta-narratives.
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    Communism and democracy may both be laudable ideals,
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    but the era of their dogmatic universalism is over.
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    Let us stop telling people and our children
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    there's only one way to govern ourselves
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    and a singular future towards which
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    all societies must evolve.
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    It is wrong. It is irresponsible.
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    And worst of all, it is boring.
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    Let universality make way for plurality.
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    Perhaps a more interesting age is upon us.
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    Are we brave enough to welcome it?
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
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    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks.
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    Moderator: Eric, stay with me for a couple of minutes,
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    because I want to ask you a couple of questions.
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    I think many here and in general in Western countries
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    would agree with your statement about analysis
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    of democratic systems becoming dysfunctional,
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    but at the same time, many would kind of find
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    unsettling the thought that there is an unelected
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    authority that, without any form of oversight or consultation,
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    decides what the national interest is.
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    What is the mechanism in the Chinese model
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    that allows people to say, actually,
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    the national interest as you defined it is wrong?
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    EL: You know, Frank Fukuyama, the political scientist,
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    called the Chinese system "responsive authoritarianism."
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    It's not exactly right, but I think it comes close.
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    So I know the largest public opinion survey company
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    in China, okay?
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    Do you know who their biggest client is?
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    The Chinese government.
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    Not just from the central government,
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    the city government, the provincial government,
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    to the most local neighborhood districts.
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    They conduct surveys all the time.
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    Are you happy with the garbage collection?
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    Are you happy with the general direction of the country?
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    So there is, in China, there is a different kind of mechanism
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    to be responsive to the demands and the thinking of the people.
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    My point is, I think we should get unstuck
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    from the thinking that there's only one political system,
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    election, election, election,
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    that could make it responsive.
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    I'm not sure, actually, elections produce
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    responsive government anymore in the world.
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    (Applause)
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    Moderator: Many seem to be.
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    One of the features of a democratic system
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    is a space for civil society to express itself.
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    And you have shown figures about the support
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    that the government and the authorities have in China.
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    But then you've just mentioned other elements
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    like, you know, big challenges, and there are, of course,
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    a lot of other data that go in a different direction:
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    tens of thousands of unrests and protests
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    and environmental problems, etc.
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    So you seem to suggest the Chinese model
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    doesn't have a space outside of the Party
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    for civil society to express itself.
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    EL: There's a vibrant civil society in China,
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    whether it's environment or what-have-you.
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    But it's different. You wouldn't recognize it.
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    Because, by Western definition, a so-called civil society
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    has to be separate or even in opposition
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    to the political system,
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    but that concept is alien for Chinese culture.
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    For thousands of years, you have civil society,
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    yet they are consistent and coherent
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    and part of a political order, and I think
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    it's a big cultural different.
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    Moderator: Eric, thank you for sharing this with TED.
    EL: Thank you.
Title:
A tale of two political systems
Speaker:
Eric X. Li
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