How meditation can reshape our brains | Sara Lazar | TEDxCambridge
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0:12 - 0:13Good morning.
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0:13 - 0:16So when I was in graduate school, I was a runner,
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0:16 - 0:18and a friend and I decided that we're going to run the Boston Marathon.
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0:19 - 0:21And so we started training and we overtrained,
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0:21 - 0:23and I developed knee and back problems.
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0:23 - 0:25So I went to see a physical therapist,
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0:25 - 0:27and they told me that I had to stop running
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0:27 - 0:28and instead I should just stretch.
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0:28 - 0:32As I was leaving the physical therapist office,
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0:32 - 0:35I saw an ad for a vigorous yoga class
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0:35 - 0:38that promised not only to promote flexibility,
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0:38 - 0:42but also to promote strength and cardiorespiratory fitness.
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0:42 - 0:44So I thought, oh, well, this is a great way
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0:44 - 0:47that I can stretch, but also remain in shape,
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0:47 - 0:50and maybe I could even still run the Boston Marathon.
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0:50 - 0:54So I went to the yoga class and I really enjoyed it,
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0:54 - 0:58except when the teacher would make all sorts of claims,
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0:58 - 1:01you know, all sorts of medical claims, but also claims about, oh, yes,
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1:01 - 1:03it will help you...
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1:03 - 1:06You'll increase your compassion and open your heart and I was just like...
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1:06 - 1:09I remember my eyes would roll and...
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1:09 - 1:12I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, I am here to stretch.
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1:12 - 1:14(Laughter)
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1:15 - 1:17But what was interesting was that after a couple of weeks
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1:17 - 1:18I started noticing some of these changes,
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1:18 - 1:22I started noticing that I was calmer and I was better able
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1:22 - 1:26to handle difficult situations, and indeed, I was feeling more compassionate
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1:27 - 1:28and open-hearted towards other people,
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1:28 - 1:31and I was better able to see things from other people's point of view.
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1:31 - 1:34And, you know, I was like, hm, how could this be,
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1:34 - 1:36how could this be?
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1:36 - 1:40And, I thought, well maybe, you know, it's just a placebo response, right?
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1:40 - 1:42She told me I will feel this, so maybe that's why I was feeling it.
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1:42 - 1:46So I decided to do a literature search to see if there's any research on this.
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1:46 - 1:49And low and behold, there was quite a bit
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1:49 - 1:55showing both yoga and meditation are extremely effective for decreasing stress
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1:55 - 1:59they're also very good for reducing symptoms associated with numerous diseases
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1:59 - 2:02including depression, anxiety, pain, and insomnia.
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2:02 - 2:07And there's a couple of very good studies demonstrating it can actually
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2:07 - 2:11improve your ability to pay attention, and most interestingly, I thought
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2:11 - 2:14virtually every study has shown that people are just happier.
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2:14 - 2:17They report they're more satisfied with their life, and they have a higher quality of life.
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2:17 - 2:20And so, this was interesting to me.
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2:20 - 2:25And so I decided to switch and start doing this sort of research.
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2:25 - 2:28So as a neuroscientists, you know, how could this be happening?
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2:28 - 2:32How can something as silly as a yoga posture
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2:32 - 2:33or sitting and watching your breath.
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2:33 - 2:37How can that lead to all these sorts of different types of changes?
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2:37 - 2:42So, what we know is that whenever you engage in a behavior over and over again,
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2:42 - 2:45that this can lead to changes in your brain.
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2:45 - 2:47And this is what's referred to as neuroplasticity.
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2:47 - 2:51And what this just means is that your brain is plastic and that
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2:51 - 2:55the neurons can change how they talk to each other with experience.
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2:55 - 3:00And so, there's a couple of studies demonstrating
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3:00 - 3:03that you can actually detect this, using machines like the MRI machine.
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3:03 - 3:05The first study was with juggling.
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3:05 - 3:07They took people who had never ever juggled before,
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3:07 - 3:09and they scanned them, and then they taught them how to juggle,
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3:09 - 3:12and they said, "Keep practicing for three months."
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3:12 - 3:15And they brought them back after three months, and they scanned them the second time,
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3:15 - 3:18and they found that they can actually detect with the MRI machine
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3:18 - 3:20changes in the amount of Grey matter in the brain of these people
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3:20 - 3:23in areas that are important for detecting visual motion.
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3:23 - 3:28So, I thought, OK, three months, you know...
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3:28 - 3:33Can meditation change brain structure too?
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3:33 - 3:36Something as simple as, you know, as juggling.
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3:36 - 3:37What about meditation?
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3:37 - 3:39So the first study we did,
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3:39 - 3:42we recruited a bunch of people from the Boston area,
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3:42 - 3:44and these were not monks or meditation teachers,
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3:44 - 3:46they're just average Joes who on average practice meditation
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3:46 - 3:48about 30-40 minutes a day,
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3:48 - 3:50and we put them in a scanner,
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3:50 - 3:52and we compared them to a group of people who were demographically matched,
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3:52 - 3:54but who don't meditate.
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3:54 - 3:56And what we found is this:
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3:56 - 3:58That there were indeed several regions of the brain
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3:58 - 4:02that had more Grey matter in the meditators compared to the controls.
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4:02 - 4:05One of the regions I'm going to point out to you
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4:05 - 4:07is here in the front of the brain, it's the area that's important
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4:07 - 4:09for working memory and executive decision making
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4:09 - 4:11and what was interesting about it
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4:11 - 4:14was when we actually plotted the data versus their ages.
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4:14 - 4:18So here in the red square, that's the controls.
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4:18 - 4:20And this is something you see actually,
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4:20 - 4:22it's been well documented that as we get older,
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4:22 - 4:24not just there, but across most of our cortex,
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4:24 - 4:26it actually shrinks as we get older.
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4:26 - 4:28And this is part of the reason why as we get older,
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4:28 - 4:35it's harder to figure things out and to remember things.
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4:35 - 4:37And what was interesting was that in this one region,
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4:37 - 4:42the 50 year old meditators had the same amount of cortex as the 25 year olds,
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4:42 - 4:46suggesting that meditation practice may actually slow down or prevent
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4:46 - 4:51the natural age-related decline in cortical structure.
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4:51 - 4:53So now, the critics, and there were many critics,
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4:53 - 4:57said, well, you know, meditators, they're weird.
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4:57 - 5:00Maybe they were just like that before they started practicing, right?
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5:00 - 5:03A lot of them were vegetarian, so maybe it had something to do with their diet,
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5:03 - 5:05or something else with their lifestyle, you know.
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5:05 - 5:07Couldn't possible be the meditation, it's something else, right?
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5:07 - 5:12And to be fair, you know, that could be true.
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5:12 - 5:14This first study could not address that.
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5:14 - 5:17So we did a second study.
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5:18 - 5:21In this study, what we did is, we took people who had never meditated before,
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5:21 - 5:25and we put them in the scanner, and then we put them through
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5:25 - 5:28an eight-week meditation-based stress reduction program
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5:28 - 5:31where they were told to meditate every day for 30 to 40 minutes.
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5:31 - 5:33And then we scanned them again at the end of the eight weeks,
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5:33 - 5:35and this is what we found.
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5:35 - 5:40So what you see is that several areas became larger.
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5:40 - 5:42In this slide we can see the
hippocampus, -
5:42 - 5:47and in the graph, the controls are in blue and the meditation subjects
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5:47 - 5:50are in red, and what we see is that the
hippocampus, -
5:50 - 5:53this is the area that's important for learning and memory,
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5:53 - 5:58it's also important for emotion regulation and it was interesting it was less
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5:58 - 6:01Grey matter in this region in people who had depression and PTSD.
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6:01 - 6:05Another region we identified was the temporo-parietal junction
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6:05 - 6:07which is here above your ear,
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6:07 - 6:11it's important for perspective taking and empathy and compassion.
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6:11 - 6:14And again, these are both functions which people report changing when
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6:14 - 6:18they start practicing meditation and yoga.
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6:18 - 6:21Another region we identified was the amygdala.
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6:21 - 6:23And the amygdala is the fight-or-flight part of your brain.
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6:23 - 6:26And here we actually found a decrease in gray matter.
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6:26 - 6:29And what was interesting was that the change in Grey matter
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6:29 - 6:30was correlated with the change in stress.
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6:30 - 6:33So the more stress reduction people reported,
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6:33 - 6:36the smaller the amygdala became.
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6:36 - 6:41And this was really interesting, because it's sort of opposite and parallel
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6:41 - 6:43of what some animal studies have shown.
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6:43 - 6:46So colleagues using rodents,
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6:46 - 6:50they took rodents who were just happy, normal rodents,
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6:50 - 6:52and they had them in their cage, and they measured
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6:52 - 6:55their amygdala, and then they put them through a ten- day stress regimen.
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6:55 - 6:58And at the end of the ten days, they measured their amygdala,
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6:58 - 7:02and this exact same analogous part of the rat brain grew.
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7:02 - 7:06So we found a decrease with stress, they found an increase with stress.
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7:06 - 7:10What was interesting was that then they left the animals alone,
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7:10 - 7:13and three weeks later they went back and tested them again.
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7:13 - 7:16And three weeks later, that same part of the amygdala was still large,
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7:16 - 7:19and the animals, even though they were in their original cages
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7:19 - 7:22where they were happy, were still acting stressed out,
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7:22 - 7:25so they, you know, they were cowering in the corner,
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7:25 - 7:28and they just weren't exploring the space the way they had before.
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7:28 - 7:33And so, this is the exact opposite of what we saw at the humans,
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7:33 - 7:36because with the humans nothing has changed with their environment.
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7:36 - 7:38They still had their stressful jobs,
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7:38 - 7:40all the difficult problems were still being difficult,
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7:40 - 7:42and the economy still sucked,
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7:42 - 7:47but yeah, their amygdala got smaller, and they were reporting less stress.
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7:47 - 7:50And so, together these really show that the change in the amygdala
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7:50 - 7:54is not responding to the change in the environment, but rather it's representing
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7:54 - 8:00the change in the people's reaction or relationship to their environment.
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8:02 - 8:05And then the other thing that the study shows is that,
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8:06 - 8:10it wasn't just the people were saying, "Oh, I feel better."
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8:10 - 8:14Or that it was a placebo response, or that they're trying to please us,
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8:14 - 8:17but there was actually a neurobiological reason why they're saying they
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8:17 - 8:19felt less stressed.
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8:19 - 8:22And so the idea that I'd like to share with all of you today is that meditation
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8:22 - 8:23can literally change your brain.
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8:23 - 8:25Thank you.
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8:25 - 8:26(Applause)
- Title:
- How meditation can reshape our brains | Sara Lazar | TEDxCambridge
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This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED conferences.
Neuroscientist Sara Lazar's amazing brain scans show meditation can actually change the size of key regions of our brain, improving our memory and making us more empathetic, compassionate, and resilient under stress. - Video Language:
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Retired user
There's a typo at 00:28 'physical' instead of 'phzsical'
Retired user
02:25 Another mistake, quite an important one: the speaker is saying "as a neuro scientist" but the English text is reading "nurse scientist"
Denise RQ
Johanna, I fixed what you commented on. Thanks!
Camille Martínez
Also,
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and a friend and I decided that (we were) going to run the Boston Marathon.
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As I was leaving the (therapist's) office,
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And (lo) and behold, there was quite a bit
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changes in the amount of (grey) matter in the brain of these people
(there are a few other instances of 'grey' being capitalized in 'grey matter,' though it shouldn't be)
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Couldn't (possibly) be the meditation, it's something else, right?
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it's also important for emotion regulation and (what's interesting is there's less)
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And here we actually found a decrease in (grey) matter.
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So (Chatterji and) colleagues using rodents,
Denise RQ
Hi Camille, I have only fixed what Johanna mentioned.
Please feel free to fix what you have encountered, I haven't listened to the talk, thanks.