Touching deep Native American history | Tom Dillehay | TEDxNashville
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0:21 - 0:23Good morning, everybody.
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0:23 - 0:25It's my pleasure to be
in downtown Nashville -
0:25 - 0:27after seven years.
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0:28 - 0:31I had an abstract of about 800 words
in a foreign language -
0:31 - 0:33I was going to have you read,
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0:33 - 0:35but after seeing
Tom's abstract in physics, -
0:35 - 0:37I eliminated it.
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0:39 - 0:40What I want to do is talk to you today
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0:40 - 0:44about three impacts
in my life and my career, -
0:44 - 0:46and two of those -
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0:47 - 0:49with my research teams and students -
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0:49 - 0:53have impacted certain thoughts
about society and culture, -
0:53 - 0:55past and present.
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0:55 - 1:02And the last impact relates
to me being impacted by my own work. -
1:02 - 1:04So I want to get into that,
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1:04 - 1:07but before I do, I want
to define anthropology for you -
1:07 - 1:11because most people think of it
and they think of stones and bones, -
1:11 - 1:13or, number two, somebody in a pith helmet
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1:13 - 1:16hovering over some indigenous individual -
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1:16 - 1:19it's that too, but
it's much more than that. -
1:19 - 1:21A short definition -
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1:21 - 1:26the definition of anthropology
is the totality of the human experience. -
1:27 - 1:29And that means all the way through time,
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1:29 - 1:30all the way through circumstances,
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1:30 - 1:32all the way through space.
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1:32 - 1:35There's four subdisciplines
to anthropology. -
1:35 - 1:37One's what we call "ethnography."
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1:37 - 1:39That's the person who goes out,
the ethnographer, -
1:39 - 1:42and embeds him- or herself
in the society -
1:42 - 1:46and they study that particular society
for a very long period of time - -
1:46 - 1:50all aspects of it
or some very specific parts of it. -
1:50 - 1:52Second, archeology.
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1:52 - 1:56And archeology studies
not only all the way back into time -
1:56 - 1:58long before the written word -
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1:58 - 2:03which is 1492 here, so we go back
about 15,000 years in the Americas - -
2:03 - 2:07but also modern-day studies.
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2:07 - 2:09The real definition of archaeology
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2:09 - 2:13is human behavior observed
through the use of material goods, -
2:13 - 2:16mainly trash - we play
with people's trash - -
2:17 - 2:19past and present, again.
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2:19 - 2:23A third part of it is bio-anthropology,
the study of the human body - -
2:23 - 2:29anatomy, genetics, changes
taking place in human evolution - -
2:29 - 2:30through time as well,
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2:30 - 2:33all the way back to the hominids
and the work of the Leakeys, -
2:33 - 2:36up to your, my changing bodies today.
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2:36 - 2:39And fourth, linguistics,
social linguistics: -
2:39 - 2:41How does language change?
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2:41 - 2:44What has been the impact of the computer
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2:44 - 2:48as an instrumentation, information device,
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2:48 - 2:51on society and culture as well.
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2:51 - 2:54Well, I'm primarily involved
in two kinds of those anthropologies: -
2:54 - 2:56archeology and ethnography.
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2:56 - 3:01So when I say I'm going to go
into the deep history of Native Americans, -
3:01 - 3:04it's going to be in South America,
way back in time, -
3:04 - 3:06on one of these impacts,
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3:06 - 3:10and then I'm going to talk
about living people as well, -
3:10 - 3:12in two areas where I've done some work -
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3:12 - 3:17in the Amazon basin and also
down in Patagonia, southern Chile. -
3:17 - 3:19This is a shot of the Southern Andes,
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3:19 - 3:21a shot that I took
that I'm quite proud of; -
3:21 - 3:25if you take thousands and thousands
of shots with multiple cameras like I do, -
3:25 - 3:29eventually one of them satisfies
National Geographic Society, -
3:29 - 3:31as this one did.
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3:32 - 3:34But let me talk about the first impact,
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3:34 - 3:37and that has to do
with program development. -
3:37 - 3:41When I was in my 20s -
and this gets back to Meredith's talk - -
3:41 - 3:42I had some great discoveries then,
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3:42 - 3:45and I hope that I still have some
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3:45 - 3:49in mid-career and now
in the twilight years of my career - -
3:49 - 3:52which is still a ways to go.
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3:52 - 3:55And I went into -
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3:55 - 3:58I was doing my field work
and dissertation work In Peru -
3:58 - 4:01and was contacted
by the Inter-American Foundation -
4:01 - 4:05to go to Chile to open up
departments of anthropology, in the 70s, -
4:05 - 4:09after the Augusto Pinochet
regime and dictatorship -
4:09 - 4:12had exiled or killed off
most of the social scientists -
4:12 - 4:14at most of the universities.
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4:14 - 4:18So I went as an anthropologist and founded
two departments of anthropology, -
4:18 - 4:21that are still viable today, in Chile.
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4:21 - 4:25And since then, I have gone on
to develop other academic programs -
4:25 - 4:28in other Latin American countries,
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4:28 - 4:31with colleagues
and with ex-students of mine. -
4:31 - 4:34So, it has been one
of the delights of my entire career. -
4:34 - 4:36And I'm not ranking it over the others,
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4:36 - 4:40but I think it's extremely important
that when people are in need -
4:40 - 4:41and if you have the opportunity -
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4:41 - 4:44I certainly didn't have
the skills back then, -
4:44 - 4:46I learned those in place at the time -
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4:46 - 4:50to take that opportunity to help people,
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4:50 - 4:53it's a healing experience
for them and for you as well. -
4:53 - 4:56Let me tell you a little bit
about one of those experiences I had. -
4:56 - 4:59At the time in Chile,
at the Catholic University, -
4:59 - 5:02where the first program
I helped to develop [was], -
5:02 - 5:07the deans and the rectors
were military men, -
5:07 - 5:08within their military uniforms.
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5:08 - 5:12So I showed up from Lima, Peru,
coming into Santiago, -
5:12 - 5:16and went to the dean's office, general,
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5:16 - 5:18and he said, "Well, I'm glad you're here."
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5:18 - 5:19And I had long hair and a beard,
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5:19 - 5:21and that was a negative sign
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5:21 - 5:24because that meant
you probably leaned to the left -
5:24 - 5:26and you worked with
indigenous people as well, -
5:26 - 5:30and this was a right-wing,
hard-core military individual. -
5:30 - 5:32He says, "Your office is ready for you,"
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5:32 - 5:35because he was ready to receive me.
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5:35 - 5:37And he said, "Follow me,"
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5:37 - 5:39and he picked up a cushion,
and he took it with him. -
5:39 - 5:42He said, "This cushion
is really important." -
5:42 - 5:44So I followed him, and I was thinking,
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5:44 - 5:47"What? My dog carries
its teddy bear around ... " -
5:47 - 5:51and I'm thinking, "Why does
this guy need a cushion? -
5:51 - 5:53Does he got ... "
if you don't mind me saying, -
5:53 - 5:56I was really thinking, "a bad case
of hemorrhoids or something?" -
5:56 - 5:57You know, I didn't know.
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5:57 - 6:00He takes me to his personal bathroom,
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6:00 - 6:03unfolds a table, puts it in front
of the toilet, slams the lid down, -
6:03 - 6:06puts the cushion on it,
and says, "Here's your office." -
6:06 - 6:09And I spent one year in that office,
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6:09 - 6:12running and developing
the anthropology program. -
6:12 - 6:14So I learned perseverance.
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6:14 - 6:16I learned to hang on.
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6:16 - 6:20I learned not to ever
look behind me as well. -
6:22 - 6:26And when he came and knocked on the door
and wanted to use his "office," -
6:26 - 6:28I would leave for
a considerable amount of time. -
6:30 - 6:33But that's an experience
that has stayed with me for years, -
6:33 - 6:37and in that same department
of anthropology today, 30 years later, -
6:37 - 6:42the lid to that toilet
hangs in the departmental office. -
6:43 - 6:45So, it's a moment I'm quite proud of.
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6:45 - 6:49But more than that
is still giving to programs, -
6:49 - 6:52and still working with
and developing students. -
6:52 - 6:55And I have a lot of ex-students
scattered throughout the continent, -
6:55 - 6:57South America, Latin America in general.
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6:57 - 7:00It has been a very, very
rewarding moment in my life, -
7:00 - 7:03and, perhaps, one of
the deepest meanings I've had. -
7:03 - 7:06Let me turn to a second impact,
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7:06 - 7:08and that is breaking a theory
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7:08 - 7:12that I was not only involved in
but sat at the center of, -
7:12 - 7:15that started back in the 70s
when I was in my 20s - -
7:15 - 7:17again, going back to Meredith's talk -
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7:17 - 7:20discovered a site down in Southern Chile,
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7:20 - 7:25which would be the very last arrow
on the right in South America, -
7:25 - 7:26right where that tip stops;
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7:26 - 7:28it's called Monte Verde.
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7:28 - 7:30I'll show you a few slides
of this in a moment. -
7:30 - 7:33The old theory of who
were the first Americans, -
7:33 - 7:37where did they come from,
and why is this question even important, -
7:37 - 7:40has its what's called Clovis Theory,
Clovis, New Mexico. -
7:40 - 7:41Big game hunters,
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7:41 - 7:45mainly following big game
across from Alaska - -
7:45 - 7:47see the orange and yellow lines -
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7:47 - 7:48all the way down through the Americas,
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7:48 - 7:53ending up in South America
around 11,000 to 12,000 years ago. -
7:53 - 7:56When in my 20s,
when I was living down in Chile, -
7:56 - 7:58I discovered this site,
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7:58 - 8:00and I mounted a research team
of more than 80 specialists - -
8:00 - 8:04geneticists, ecologists, entomologists,
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8:05 - 8:08sedimentologists, all these -ologists,
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8:08 - 8:10including a psychologist at one point -
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8:10 - 8:13studying the spatial makeup
of huts and things. -
8:13 - 8:15And I'll show that to you
in a few moments. -
8:15 - 8:18And we mounted this team
and studied this particular site -
8:18 - 8:20over a period of 30 years
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8:20 - 8:23and published the results
with Smithsonian Institution -
8:23 - 8:25in some large volumes.
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8:25 - 8:30But it took until about five years ago
for the theory to be accepted, -
8:30 - 8:32the Clovis theory,
which is the Clovis First theory, -
8:32 - 8:36having people coming over
around 11,000 to 12,000 years ago. -
8:36 - 8:42It was big game hunters quickly migrating
and moving their way through the Americas. -
8:42 - 8:45Where our work at Monte Verde -
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8:48 - 8:53This is the Clovis site in New Mexico,
discovered back in the 20s. -
8:53 - 8:55It's a mammoth kill site.
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8:56 - 8:59Just to show the scenario -
it's sort of an arid zone, -
8:59 - 9:05and this is the first great
"American invention," as experts had it, -
9:05 - 9:06which is called the "fluted point."
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9:06 - 9:09It has a channel, or flute,
down at the bottom, -
9:09 - 9:13which, once it penetrates
the animal, is for bloodletting. -
9:14 - 9:16That was the theory
that had been around for 70 years -
9:16 - 9:20and very difficult to break
and to buck up against the experts, -
9:20 - 9:24mainly experts from North America,
but a few in South America as well. -
9:24 - 9:28It took us multidisciplinary research
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9:28 - 9:30in excavating the Monte Verde site,
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9:30 - 9:33which is located here in southern Chile,
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9:33 - 9:36that dates back
to about 14,500 years ago, -
9:36 - 9:41putting it roughly 1,000
to 1,500 years earlier than Clovis. -
9:41 - 9:43So the question is how could it be
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9:43 - 9:46that if you had people
coming over from Asia - -
9:46 - 9:48Mongoloids, Asians -
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9:48 - 9:50going down through Alaska,
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9:50 - 9:54down through into the lower 48
and all the way down in South America, -
9:54 - 9:57why is the earliest site
down in South America? -
9:58 - 10:02People had to have been earlier
in North America. -
10:02 - 10:05Well, talking about theories
and paradigms and expertise, -
10:05 - 10:09the way the disciplines,
scientifically, are defined sometimes -
10:09 - 10:13is that when you obtain research funding,
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10:13 - 10:16you have to follow
a very strict paradigm at times. -
10:16 - 10:21And individuals who get outside
of that paradigm, that theoretical model, -
10:21 - 10:25often have extreme difficulties getting
funding and thinking about new things, -
10:25 - 10:28as Meredith was talking about as well.
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10:29 - 10:33This is a site that's located
in Central Valley, -
10:33 - 10:35incredibly beautiful.
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10:35 - 10:39I mean, there's volcanoes
everywhere, it's snow-capped, -
10:39 - 10:41it's an ecology and environment
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10:41 - 10:44very similar to
the Seattle-Vancouver area. -
10:44 - 10:47And this is Monte Verde site over here.
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10:47 - 10:51What makes this site so unusual
is that it was covered over by peat bog. -
10:51 - 10:54Some of you might have seen
in National Geographic magazine -
10:54 - 10:58some of these raisin-preserved
bodies, human bodies -
10:58 - 11:00that are under peat bogs or in ice sheets.
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11:00 - 11:04We found organic material at Monte Verde.
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11:04 - 11:07And what you see
on the two left-hand slides here -
11:07 - 11:13are the foundation remains
of long tent-like structures. -
11:13 - 11:14Found human hair,
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11:14 - 11:18found people who who were chewing
their fingernails off and throwing aside. -
11:18 - 11:19We did not find any of the humans -
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11:19 - 11:23nobody died when they were there,
so they didn't bury them in the site. -
11:23 - 11:26We found human footprints,
as you see off on the right: -
11:28 - 11:31toe impressions,
the arch impression, the heel. -
11:31 - 11:36Extremely good preservation
of animal hides, animal hair, -
11:36 - 11:38food remains, meat.
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11:38 - 11:41It's incredible - in fact, in two
of the huts that we found there, -
11:41 - 11:43there were two chunks of meat
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11:43 - 11:46that looked like
big, Wendy's hamburg patties, -
11:46 - 11:49which is interesting
and sends a signal to us -
11:49 - 11:52that these people must have had
some kind of a sharing unit - -
11:52 - 11:55you cut the meat in a certain way,
and you share it in a certain way. -
11:55 - 11:58And I don't have the time
to go into all the details on this, -
11:58 - 12:01but this site broke the Clovis theory
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12:01 - 12:05and changed the first chapter
of unwritten history -
12:05 - 12:08of humans in the New World -
Monte Verde did. -
12:08 - 12:11And since then a number
of other sites have come forward, -
12:11 - 12:14breaking the Clovis paradigm,
or the Clovis theory, -
12:14 - 12:17in North America as well.
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12:17 - 12:22We did this, again,
with a lot of perseverance, -
12:22 - 12:25a lot of interdisciplinary research,
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12:25 - 12:27and it was a personal struggle
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12:27 - 12:30where, at times in Chile
and outside of Chile, -
12:30 - 12:32I was often accused
of being a CIA agent: -
12:32 - 12:35"Nobody can find these sorts
of things," we were told. -
12:35 - 12:38Because usually what you find
in the archeological record -
12:38 - 12:41are stones and bones -
they preserve better. -
12:41 - 12:42But we found the organic remains,
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12:42 - 12:45and what you see here
are these foundations of wooden huts, -
12:45 - 12:49and this is a medicinal hut,
in the lower left-hand corner here, -
12:49 - 12:53where we found quids, or masticated cuds,
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12:53 - 12:57that people had been chewing on
and spit out and put on the floor. -
12:57 - 13:01Only of this wishbone,
or kind of a U-shaped hut. -
13:01 - 13:04They were combining a tea called "boldo,"
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13:04 - 13:08two kinds of seaweed
from the coast about 50 miles away - -
13:08 - 13:10has a high iodine content -
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13:10 - 13:12and also two other plants.
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13:12 - 13:16So it was sort of like
a pharmaceutical quid or package. -
13:16 - 13:19And it seems like
sick people went to this place. -
13:19 - 13:22We're still studying the sediment,
the floor inside the hut, -
13:22 - 13:27bringing in parasitologists
to do microscopic analyses. -
13:27 - 13:30So as I said, it's a highly
interdisciplinary project; -
13:30 - 13:31it still is going on
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13:31 - 13:35although most of the data
has been published. -
13:35 - 13:37Let me speak on a more personal note.
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13:37 - 13:39The impact here is obvious:
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13:39 - 13:44we, as I said, rewrote the first chapter
of human history in the New World. -
13:45 - 13:48These people, let me tell you
something about them. -
13:48 - 13:50You look at the skeletal remains -
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13:50 - 13:52not from Monte Verde,
but from other sites - -
13:52 - 13:57they were dying off at the age
of about 22 to 28, 30 years old. -
13:57 - 14:00You were old at the age of 25 or 30.
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14:00 - 14:04What you see are stress fractures
in the skeletal material, -
14:04 - 14:06stress fractures
from carrying heavy weight -
14:06 - 14:09at the age of, roughly,
9, 10, 11 years old. -
14:09 - 14:14I can't go into the data why we know
how old some of these early skeletons are. -
14:14 - 14:16Looking at the scar tissue
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14:16 - 14:19built up around the pubic zone
of the young females, -
14:19 - 14:20and once they reach puberty,
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14:20 - 14:24they were either aborting
or giving birth to children. -
14:25 - 14:29So, you were a full-blown,
mature working individual -
14:29 - 14:33on and through what we could call
teens and adolescent years. -
14:33 - 14:37And if you look at the skeleton material
from all over the late Ice Age period, -
14:37 - 14:40this pre-10,000, pre-11,000-year period
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14:40 - 14:43all the way down to about 8,000 years ago,
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14:43 - 14:49very few male or female skeletons
show individuals living beyond 25, 28 - -
14:49 - 14:5330 years old would be the equivalent
to about 80, 90 years for us. -
14:54 - 14:56These were the people
who laid the foundation, -
14:56 - 14:58culturally and socially,
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14:58 - 15:00for others to come,
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15:00 - 15:04not only in the Americas
but other parts of the world as well. -
15:05 - 15:07I have taken, over the past several years,
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15:07 - 15:10great pride in helping
to break this paradigm, -
15:10 - 15:13and I want to say, Meredith,
to you and to other people -
15:13 - 15:16experiencing similar kinds
of hindrances and obstacles -
15:16 - 15:20as you move forward
professionally or even personally - -
15:20 - 15:23if you're 22 years old,
you're going to outlive your critics. -
15:23 - 15:25Okay?
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15:25 - 15:29But I've had numerous opportunities
since this theory was proven -
15:29 - 15:31not only to lift
the middle finger on one hand -
15:31 - 15:34but two fingers,
simultaneously, on both hands. -
15:34 - 15:35(Laughter)
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15:37 - 15:39So, stick with it.
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15:39 - 15:42Somebody tells you "No,"
and you think and know you're right, -
15:42 - 15:44and you're working
with people - stick with it. -
15:44 - 15:47And on a personal side,
try to have options. -
15:47 - 15:51Because I had different research options
when the going got really tough here, -
15:51 - 15:52to the point that,
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15:52 - 15:54at the universities where I were,
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15:54 - 15:57there were colleagues signing letters
and sending them in, saying, -
15:57 - 15:59"You have to fire this guy.
He's off on the wrong track." -
15:59 - 16:03So we, me and my colleagues,
lived through all of that. -
16:03 - 16:07That's an impact that I think
that our research team had. -
16:07 - 16:11So, let me say something
about these early people as well. -
16:12 - 16:1799.99% of the existence of humanity
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16:17 - 16:20is associated with
these hunters and gatherers. -
16:20 - 16:22They're sophisticated;
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16:22 - 16:24they had options, they had choices;
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16:24 - 16:29they had technical sophistication,
and social organization and so forth. -
16:29 - 16:34They're not just individuals who
kind of mulled around in different places. -
16:35 - 16:38Briefly, as I conclude, I want to talk
about two living groups -
16:38 - 16:40because I work with living people:
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16:40 - 16:41Jivaro in the Amazon jungle
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16:41 - 16:44and the Mapuche
down in south-central Chile. -
16:44 - 16:47I work with shamans, religion,
with the Mapuche - -
16:47 - 16:50this a shaman in the Mapuche culture.
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16:50 - 16:53They have a completely different
mindset than we do. -
16:53 - 16:59We think in terms of profit,
goal-oriented practices and exercises; -
16:59 - 17:02we think in terms
of linear time - they don't. -
17:02 - 17:05This kind of leans back
into the talk on physics a bit. -
17:05 - 17:08They are nowhere,
but they're also everywhere, -
17:09 - 17:12because their thinking is flow-oriented.
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17:12 - 17:16They never talk about - and it's not
the only indigenous group that does this - -
17:16 - 17:19they never talk about the flow of events:
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17:19 - 17:21"When I was a child," or "When I get old."
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17:21 - 17:23They talk about events through all times,
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17:23 - 17:26and you never know if it was happening
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17:26 - 17:30during their childhood or adolescenthood
or present-day adulthood. -
17:30 - 17:33I've worked with some
of these groups, too, in the jungle. -
17:33 - 17:39And let me end on this note by saying
that they have a different idea of us too, -
17:39 - 17:44and what would we do
without Gary Larson in anthropology? -
17:44 - 17:47On occasion, in the Selva,
or the jungle in the Amazon, -
17:47 - 17:50I was out with a colleague of mine,
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17:50 - 17:54and I had not had my stomach
accustomed to the local food yet - -
17:54 - 17:57monkey meat, tapir, rodent meat as well -
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17:57 - 18:01and so I took cans of tuna fish
and a plastic knife. -
18:01 - 18:04These people lay a palm leaf out,
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18:04 - 18:08put worms on it, insects, meat,
vegetables - wild - and other things -
18:08 - 18:09and eat it.
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18:09 - 18:12But they have another leaf
where they would take a bite, -
18:12 - 18:16put their fingers in the water, clean
their fingers and then get another bite. -
18:16 - 18:19Well, one night they left us,
just simply left us. -
18:19 - 18:20We caught up with them a day later,
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18:20 - 18:24and they told us, "Look, we left
for the following reason: -
18:24 - 18:28when he opened his tuna fish can,
he put the plastic fork back in, -
18:28 - 18:31took a bite, put the fork
back in, took a bite - -
18:31 - 18:33without cleaning it each time.
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18:33 - 18:37We thought that he was
an uncivilized barbarian. -
18:37 - 18:38(Laughter)
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18:39 - 18:41Thank you very much.
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18:41 - 18:43They had an impact on me.
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18:43 - 18:44Thank you.
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18:44 - 18:47(Applause)
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With some good stories, Tom Dillehay recounts three ways his career as an anthropologist made an impact on him and on what we know about prehistory in the Americas.
Tom D. Dillehay is an internationally recognized anthropologist, known for groundbreaking and highly interdisciplinary scientific research. Many of his research projects are in South America where he focuses mainly on human migration and the resulting transformative processes that lead to political, economic, social and technological changes. His work has been featured in numerous publications and broadcast programs, including National Geographic, Scientific American, Nova, Discover, BBC, History Channel, Discovery Channel, NPR and others.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com.tedx.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 18:51
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Retired user edited English subtitles for Touching deep Native American history | Tom Dillehay | TEDxNashville | |
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Retired user edited English subtitles for Touching deep Native American history | Tom Dillehay | TEDxNashville | |
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Retired user edited English subtitles for Touching deep Native American history | Tom Dillehay | TEDxNashville | |
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Retired user edited English subtitles for Touching deep Native American history | Tom Dillehay | TEDxNashville |