Brain activity revealed through your skin: stress, sleep and seizures | Rosalind Picard | TEDxNatick
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0:16 - 0:17This story begins
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0:17 - 0:23when my students at MIT
and I were building new technology -
0:23 - 0:27to help people understand
the emotions of others. -
0:27 - 0:30We were working with people
on the autism spectrum -
0:30 - 0:31like this little boy here,
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0:31 - 0:35and we created technology
to read facial expressions, -
0:35 - 0:39which you can get in your phone today
thanks to the work of Affectiva. -
0:39 - 0:41But while we were creating this,
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0:41 - 0:45and I was talking with one
of my friends with autism, -
0:45 - 0:49who actually talked by typing,
she said to me, -
0:50 - 0:52"Roz, you've got it wrong.
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0:52 - 0:56Our biggest problem is not
understanding other people's emotions, -
0:56 - 0:59it's you understanding our emotions."
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1:00 - 1:02And at first I thought,
"Oh dear, it's me." -
1:03 - 1:06And indeed, I have room to improve.
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1:06 - 1:09But it turns out
we all have room to improve. -
1:09 - 1:10And as I asked her,
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1:10 - 1:14"Well, what are the emotions
that we're missing, -
1:14 - 1:17that you most wish we could understand?"
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1:17 - 1:22She said, "There's huge anxiety
and stress that we're experiencing. -
1:22 - 1:26Many times, the environment,
the lights, the sounds, the smells -
1:26 - 1:29are driving us crazy,
and we're about to explode, -
1:29 - 1:33and yet on the outside we may look
just like we're shutting down. -
1:34 - 1:36So we're being misread."
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1:36 - 1:40And I realized we had built technology
in our lab years before -
1:40 - 1:44that measures something
called electrodermal activity. -
1:44 - 1:47That's a big word that is referring
to a general phenomenon -
1:47 - 1:53whereby your skin becomes more conductive
when you get more nervous, -
1:53 - 1:56when your sympathetic nervous system,
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1:56 - 2:00your autonomic - sounds like automatic,
but it's autonomic nervous system - -
2:00 - 2:05that controls your heart beating,
your lungs breathing, -
2:05 - 2:08all of these parts
of your body automatically. -
2:08 - 2:11When the sympathetic branch of that
goes high in fight or flight -
2:11 - 2:16or with general excitement,
it can make your hands sweaty. -
2:16 - 2:19And even when you don't feel sweaty,
it can make electrical changes -
2:19 - 2:22that we can sense
on the surface of the skin. -
2:23 - 2:27Now, this was traditionally done
with wires and electrodes in the lab, -
2:27 - 2:29and that was not very portable.
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2:29 - 2:32At the Media Lab, we developed ways
to measure it from the wrist, -
2:32 - 2:35and the ankles,
and other places on the body. -
2:36 - 2:41The first time that I saw
the skin conductance data 24/7 -
2:41 - 2:44was this picture from an MIT student.
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2:44 - 2:49What you see here are
seven days of data, 24 hours a day. -
2:50 - 2:53If we zoom in, you'll see
that there are places -
2:53 - 2:55where the skin conductance
is going really high, -
2:55 - 2:58where, again, there's more excitement,
or more emotional load, -
2:58 - 3:00or more cognitive load.
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3:00 - 3:03In this case we see MIT homework sets
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3:03 - 3:05(Laughter)
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3:05 - 3:06caused quite a lot of activation.
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3:07 - 3:12Now, to my utter surprise,
sleep also caused a lot of activation, -
3:12 - 3:14which was not what I expected.
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3:14 - 3:16In fact, sleep is often
the biggest peak of the day. -
3:16 - 3:18And the reason for this
is still a mystery. -
3:18 - 3:21But some of the things
you're going to hear shortly, -
3:21 - 3:25I think, are about to give us
more insight into this mystery. -
3:26 - 3:29And also I have to admit,
to the embarrassment of we MIT professors, -
3:29 - 3:32the low point every day
was classroom activity. -
3:32 - 3:33(Laughter)
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3:36 - 3:40Once we got the data continuously,
not in the lab but in real life, -
3:40 - 3:42we started learning all kinds of things,
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3:42 - 3:45and there were a number
of very exciting surprises, -
3:45 - 3:47and I'm going to tell you
the story of one of them. -
3:47 - 3:48And this one happened
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3:48 - 3:51when a young man working
as an undergrad in my lab -
3:51 - 3:54came to me at the end of the semester,
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3:54 - 3:58and he said, "Professor Picard,
could I please borrow one of those sensors -
3:58 - 4:01for my little brother?
He has autism. He can't speak. -
4:01 - 4:04And I want to see
what's stressing him out." -
4:04 - 4:07And I said, "Sure. In fact,
don't just take one, take two." -
4:08 - 4:10Because it was a long winter break,
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4:10 - 4:13and they were hand built
with wires hanging out back then, -
4:13 - 4:14and they often broke.
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4:15 - 4:19So he takes the two sensors;
he puts them on his little brother. -
4:20 - 4:24And back at MIT, I go to my computer,
and I look at the screen, -
4:24 - 4:27and I see data like I just showed you
for this little boy. -
4:27 - 4:29This day looked pretty normal.
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4:30 - 4:32This day looked pretty normal.
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4:34 - 4:37I go to the next day, and my jaw drops.
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4:37 - 4:41He had put the sensors on the left
and right wrist at the same time. -
4:42 - 4:43Okay.
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4:43 - 4:47And one of the wrists,
the data had gone so high, -
4:47 - 4:49that the sensor must be broken.
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4:50 - 4:54We have stressed people out at MIT
every way I can imagine. -
4:54 - 4:56Qualifying exams.
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4:57 - 4:58Public speaking.
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4:59 - 5:03We have measured
Boston driver stress - huge peaks. -
5:04 - 5:07But nothing as big
as what I saw on this little boy. -
5:07 - 5:10And the weird thing was
it was on one side and not the other. -
5:10 - 5:12The other side wasn't responsive at all.
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5:12 - 5:13And I thought,
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5:13 - 5:16with my electrical engineering hat on:
How can this happen? -
5:16 - 5:20How can - unless the sensors are broken -
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5:20 - 5:25how can you be excited on one side
of your body and not the other? -
5:25 - 5:27This just didn't make sense.
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5:29 - 5:32After a lot of debugging
that I won't go into here, -
5:32 - 5:35I finally gave up, and I did something
I've never done before, -
5:35 - 5:38I called a student at home on vacation.
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5:38 - 5:39(Laughter)
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5:39 - 5:42"Hi. How's your Christmas going?
How's your little brother? -
5:42 - 5:47Hey, any idea what happened to him - "
and I gave him the exact date and time. -
5:48 - 5:50And he said, "I don't know,
I'll check the diary." -
5:51 - 5:53Diary?! MIT student keeps a diary?!
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5:54 - 5:55Quick prayer.
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5:55 - 5:58He comes back;
he has the exact date and time. -
5:58 - 6:01He checks it with me, and he says,
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6:01 - 6:06"That was minutes before
he had a grand mal seizure." -
6:07 - 6:10Now, I didn't know, really,
what a seizure was. -
6:10 - 6:12I started to do some research.
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6:13 - 6:16Next thing I know,
I'm on the phone with Dr. Joe Madsen, -
6:16 - 6:18head of neurosurgery
at Children's Hospital, Boston. -
6:18 - 6:20"Hi Dr. Madsen.
My name's Dr. Rosalind Picard. -
6:20 - 6:24Could you tell me, is it possible
that somebody could have -
6:24 - 6:28a huge sympathetic nervous system surge
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6:28 - 6:32many minutes before a grand mal seizure?"
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6:33 - 6:34And he says,
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6:34 - 6:36"Probably not.
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6:36 - 6:37(Laughter)
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6:38 - 6:42But, you know, we've
sometimes had patients -
6:42 - 6:47who have hair stand on end
on one arm before a seizure." -
6:48 - 6:50I said, "On one arm?"
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6:50 - 6:54And I told him that this didn't just
happen the way it usually happens, -
6:54 - 6:55it happened on only one side.
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6:55 - 6:57And he got interested,
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6:57 - 7:01and we got Institutional
Review Board approval, -
7:01 - 7:04the ethics board at the hospital,
we built a lot more sensors, -
7:04 - 7:08we enrolled families fully consented,
where they are bringing their children in -
7:08 - 7:13not only to have around-the-clock
monitoring of EEG for the brain waves, -
7:13 - 7:14ECG for the heart,
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7:14 - 7:17but now EDA, electrodermal activity,
for the skin conductance. -
7:17 - 7:20And here's an example of what we saw.
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7:20 - 7:22This is data from a 17-year-old boy,
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7:22 - 7:25and what you see
is the skin conductance here. -
7:25 - 7:26And in the middle is the sleep.
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7:26 - 7:30Those are the biggest peaks
I was showing you from the MIT student. -
7:31 - 7:33Well, those are like
little baby maple trees -
7:33 - 7:35next to the three other peaks
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7:35 - 7:38that are like redwoods
coming out of the data. -
7:38 - 7:41The other three peaks
are grand mal seizures. -
7:42 - 7:44And we found 100 percent
of grand mal seizures -
7:44 - 7:49had a significant increase in the signal
that we could measure on the wrist. -
7:50 - 7:54That signal in a grand mal
is also accompanied by convulsive motion -
7:54 - 7:58that you see under the three red lines
in the little blue boxes. -
7:58 - 8:00That shows a lot
of accelerometer activity. -
8:00 - 8:03Now, most of the sensors
on the market today -
8:03 - 8:06that people with epilepsy could use
only measure that movement, -
8:06 - 8:09and that can be confused
with brushing your teeth, -
8:09 - 8:10strumming the guitar -
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8:10 - 8:12you get a lot of false alarms.
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8:12 - 8:14But through this accidental finding,
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8:14 - 8:17we're able to combine it
with the skin conductance -
8:17 - 8:20and get a more accurate detector.
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8:21 - 8:25And we also asked:
Why are these so big and so long? -
8:25 - 8:27The seizure's only a couple of minutes.
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8:27 - 8:32And this response is lasting
much longer than a normal stress response. -
8:32 - 8:34Was it that the person
was convulsing so much -
8:34 - 8:35that they got sweaty?
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8:35 - 8:38No, it turns out it's completely unrelated
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8:38 - 8:42to the length - or strength
of the convulsions. -
8:44 - 8:48But it turns out to be related to -
it was really surprising to me - -
8:49 - 8:53I learned that while most seizures -
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8:53 - 8:55and here is brainwave activity
from a seizure; -
8:55 - 8:57on the left, you see it
kind of going crazy; -
8:57 - 9:01this is EEG traces from the scalp -
most of them end -
9:01 - 9:03and then the brain activity looks normal.
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9:03 - 9:08But here it's going flat
after the seizure. -
9:08 - 9:12And that suppression happens -
well, was observed, -
9:12 - 9:15in 100 percent of the published cases
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9:15 - 9:20where a patient happened to be wearing
an EEG when they had a seizure, -
9:20 - 9:24nobody was with them,
and they passed away after the seizure. -
9:25 - 9:28Now, fortunately,
death in epilepsy is rare. -
9:29 - 9:33But it turns out it's more common
than death from SIDS, from AIDS, -
9:33 - 9:36and from house fires in the US.
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9:36 - 9:39It's called Sudden
Unexpected Death in Epilepsy, -
9:39 - 9:42and I bet most people here
have never heard of it. -
9:42 - 9:47And yet, if you look at the statistics
of neurological disorders, -
9:47 - 9:53and here we see the years of lost life
for people with stroke -
9:53 - 9:55and ALS - Lou Gehrig's disease -
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9:55 - 9:58or multiple sclerosis
or Alzheimer's or Parkindson's, -
9:58 - 10:01SUDEP is number two on this chart.
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10:02 - 10:04It needs to be better known.
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10:09 - 10:10As I learned more about seizures,
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10:10 - 10:13I learned that they're
kind of like little electrical fires. -
10:13 - 10:15You can start like a little brush fire.
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10:15 - 10:17And it can stay localized in your brain,
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10:17 - 10:21and it can simply cause
an unusual sensory experience, -
10:21 - 10:23or déjà vu.
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10:23 - 10:27You may not see anything outwardly
that is going on differently -
10:27 - 10:30when the seizure is happening inside.
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10:31 - 10:34But the more dangerous seizures
can make you unconscious -
10:34 - 10:36and can cause these convulsions,
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10:36 - 10:39and those are called
the grand mal seizures. -
10:39 - 10:44Now, you wouldn't build a house today
without having a smoke detector. -
10:44 - 10:49And yet, SUDEP kills more people
in the US every year than house fires, -
10:49 - 10:51and patients are sent home
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10:51 - 10:54not only without some kind
of equivalent of a smoke detector, -
10:54 - 11:00but without even the ability to talk
to a lot of people about what's going on. -
11:00 - 11:04So that led to this short clip
I'm going to show you next. -
11:05 - 11:08(Video) Rosalind Picard: Our device
is designed to detect unexpected seizures. -
11:08 - 11:12Embrace is designed to save lives
for a lot of people with epilepsy. -
11:12 - 11:14Seizures can seriously hurt
or even kill people, -
11:14 - 11:17and we need an alert to intervene.
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11:18 - 11:22One in 26 people in the US
will develop epilepsy at some point -
11:22 - 11:23during their lifetime.
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11:23 - 11:26Everybody with epilepsy
should be able to have a device -
11:26 - 11:29that alerts a friend
or a family member to come help -
11:29 - 11:31at the time that they might need it.
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11:31 - 11:33(Music)
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11:33 - 11:34(Video ends)
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11:34 - 11:36(Applause)
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11:36 - 11:38Thanks to the teamwork of Empatica
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11:38 - 11:40in partnership
with the Epilepsy Foundation -
11:40 - 11:45and the ability of new
crowdsourcing sites like Indiegogo -
11:45 - 11:47to reach the public,
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11:47 - 11:50this project was fully funded.
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11:50 - 11:56And, for the first time I've ever seen
in crowdfunding of a cool new technology, -
11:56 - 12:00not only were devices able to be gotten
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12:00 - 12:03to people who could afford one,
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12:03 - 12:06but through the partnership
with the Epilepsy Foundation -
12:06 - 12:07and some generous anonymous donors,
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12:07 - 12:12we were able to give a device -
for each one that was purchased - -
12:12 - 12:16to a child and a family
who could not afford a $200 device. -
12:16 - 12:18Now, I've told you a quick story here,
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12:18 - 12:20but we're not over yet.
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12:20 - 12:25This story started with trying to help
understand and communicate emotion better -
12:25 - 12:30in an individual with autism
and express the anxiety. -
12:30 - 12:32Today, thanks to
the hard work of Empatica, -
12:32 - 12:36I'm able to wear a device
that measures my autonomic stress. -
12:37 - 12:40It can gently vibrate
and tell me that it's going up, privately. -
12:41 - 12:46Or, if I choose, I can have the signal
sent to somebody who I care about, -
12:46 - 12:48who I know I can trust.
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12:48 - 12:52It reminds me of when the director
of the Media Lab said years ago, -
12:52 - 12:54"Roz, when are you going
to build me the mood ring -
12:54 - 12:57that tells me my wife's mood
before I go home?" -
12:57 - 12:59(Laughter)
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13:01 - 13:05Well, now we can tell somebody
a little bit more about the stress -
13:05 - 13:07contributing to your mood.
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13:08 - 13:10The same device can also now -
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13:10 - 13:16has the potential to help people
with autism communicate what's going on -
13:16 - 13:19even when they can't do it verbally.
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13:19 - 13:24And the device also has the ability
to run an algorithm on board -
13:24 - 13:30that can detect those unusual events
that might be a grand mal seizure, -
13:30 - 13:34and bring an alert so that somebody
can come and check on you. -
13:35 - 13:37Because we've learned
that when somebody is there, -
13:37 - 13:40SUDEP is a lot less likely to happen.
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13:40 - 13:42And the person who comes there
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13:42 - 13:46may not have to do anything more
than simply say the name, -
13:46 - 13:49or turn the person over,
or ask if they're okay. -
13:49 - 13:54Simply touching or stimulating a person
very gently after a grand mal seizure -
13:54 - 13:59and helping them get in a safe position
could help them take that next breath -
13:59 - 14:04and help that seizure
not be the terminal kind. -
14:07 - 14:10Now, as I was telling about this work
to one of my friends, -
14:10 - 14:12he said to me,
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14:13 - 14:15"Oh, Roz, I have epilepsy."
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14:15 - 14:17"What?! You have epilepsy?
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14:17 - 14:19You've been my friend for 20 years
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14:19 - 14:22and you've never told me
you have epilepsy? -
14:22 - 14:24Why didn't you tell me?"
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14:25 - 14:26And he said,
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14:26 - 14:30"Well, I just have felt uncomfortable
telling anybody that I have seizures, -
14:30 - 14:32and I don't have them very frequently."
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14:35 - 14:37Epilepsy is stigmatized,
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14:37 - 14:39and that needs to change.
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14:40 - 14:44And we can do that here today,
we can begin that process of change. -
14:44 - 14:46And to begin that process of change,
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14:46 - 14:49I'm going to introduce you
to somebody very special. -
14:50 - 14:52First a word or two of background.
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14:54 - 14:58Imagine being 13 years old
and lying on this surgical table -
14:58 - 15:00with your head under that big lamp.
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15:00 - 15:04Now, fortunately, the surgeon at the end
is Dr. Joe Madsen, who's amazing. -
15:05 - 15:08But he's about to cut
a big hole in your skull -
15:08 - 15:11and go into your brain deep
with sharp objects -
15:11 - 15:13and reconfigure some things.
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15:14 - 15:17I don't know about you, but I would
not want to volunteer for this. -
15:17 - 15:20This is a very scary surgery.
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15:20 - 15:24And this is Bailey Dwyer on the right,
who has just gone through this surgery -
15:24 - 15:26and is recovering nicely.
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15:27 - 15:29Bailey's very brave,
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15:29 - 15:33and she's also very courageous
and generous in another way. -
15:34 - 15:38I know this looks like a teenager
dressing up for Halloween as a zombie, -
15:38 - 15:39right?
-
15:39 - 15:43It's really cool to put on the fake blood
and the gauze and all that stuff. -
15:43 - 15:45But this is the real thing.
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15:45 - 15:48Bailey has wires
coming out of her head here -
15:48 - 15:52that go not just
under the surface of the skin, -
15:52 - 15:54they go deep into the brain,
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15:54 - 15:59into the regions of the brain involved
in memory, emotion, attention, -
15:59 - 16:01and other vital processes.
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16:01 - 16:03And Bailey graciously volunteered
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16:03 - 16:07to not only have
what she needed to have done, -
16:07 - 16:10but to participate
in scientific experiments -
16:10 - 16:13that enable all of us
to benefit from and learn -
16:13 - 16:17more about how these
deep regions of the brain operate, -
16:17 - 16:20how they map to other things
we can measure on the surface of the body, -
16:20 - 16:24and how we can use this information
to help lots of other people. -
16:24 - 16:27People like Bailey are my heroes.
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16:27 - 16:33And I want you to join me right now
in welcoming to our stage Bailey Dwyer. -
16:33 - 16:35(Applause)
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16:51 - 16:54Bailey Dwyer: First,
thank you, Roz, for introducing me. -
16:54 - 16:59I'll start by saying my name is Bailey
and I'm a junior at Brookline High School. -
16:59 - 17:03When I was in eighth grade,
I had two brain surgeries for my epilepsy. -
17:05 - 17:12I currently do softball
and am studying for my SATs. -
17:12 - 17:14When I had my brain surgery,
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17:14 - 17:17I was scared to tell anyone
of why I would be away -
17:17 - 17:21because I was worried
about how they would stereotype me. -
17:21 - 17:24It's important to educate people
on what epilepsy is -
17:24 - 17:27and get rid of the stigma around it.
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17:27 - 17:31By raising the issue
and telling people what it is -
17:31 - 17:35will not only raise awareness
but save many lives. -
17:35 - 17:36Thank you.
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17:36 - 17:38(Applause)
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17:48 - 17:51Roz Picard: Bailey,
you drove here today too, right? -
17:51 - 17:52BD: I did, yes
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17:52 - 17:53RP: Yes!
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17:56 - 17:59What does it say
about our culture today -
17:59 - 18:02when a young high school student
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18:02 - 18:04cannot tell his or her friends
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18:04 - 18:09about why they're going away
from school for a while -
18:09 - 18:12to have major brain surgery?
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18:12 - 18:15We can change that. You can change that.
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18:15 - 18:18And all you have to do
when you leave here today -
18:18 - 18:21is chat about it, talk to people about it.
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18:21 - 18:23Ask your friends if they have epilepsy.
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18:23 - 18:26Tell them what you learned
about here today. -
18:27 - 18:31In doing this, together,
we can destigmatize this, -
18:31 - 18:34we can help people get better treatment,
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18:35 - 18:40and by doing this,
you may also help to save a life. -
18:40 - 18:41Thank you!
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18:42 - 18:44(Applause)
- Title:
- Brain activity revealed through your skin: stress, sleep and seizures | Rosalind Picard | TEDxNatick
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While using a wristband to measure stress in a person who could not speak, Rosalind Picard, a scientist and professor at the MIT Media Lab, measured an unusual signal on the surface of the skin -- revealing unexpected connections between electrical activity deep in the brain and changes that show up on the wrist during stress, sleep, seizures, and dangerous periods following seizures, which can lead to sudden unexpected death in epilepsy, called SUDEP. You might help save a life by learning about these findings and sharing them with people you know.
Rosalind Picard is a professor at the MIT Media Lab. She is credited with starting the field of Affective Computing, giving computers emotional intelligence. She also developed the first wearables that sense affective data and can help people with epilepsy, autism, and too much stress in their lives. Her inventions have led to start-up companies such as Affectiva and Empatica.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
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