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(Bill Knott, Executive Editor,
Adventist Review and Adventist World)
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I find myself wondering, Jonathan, at a
place like this why something as tragic
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and painful as war is so frequently
memorialized by beauty, by water,
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by light, by symbols
that seem so far away.
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Does that ever strike you as an irony?
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(Col. Jonathan McGraw, Chaplain,
Office of the Chief of Chaplains)
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Well, it does and I think
what soldiers who serve seek
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is the peace that you see
in these kinds of environments.
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Soldiers and service members
see the war as a necessary evil,
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but they seek the peace.
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For you, as you think
about the figure that
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pretty much the whole world is
thinking about, this coming weekend,
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with the release of "Hacksaw Ridge",
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what are the qualities in
Doss's life that you as a chaplain
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see worth us focusing on?
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Well, as chaplains, we
work in a secular setting.
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Part of what I see in society is this
real fragmentation of human beings,
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that what you do at work, and what
you do in your private life is separate,
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and so, human beings are more
fragmented in our society today.
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And what Desmond Doss does
is show his wholeness--
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- Okay.
- his wholeness, his body, mind,
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his heart and his spirit is one.
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And I think it just gives us all a great
opportunity to have a God talk with people.
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What's the difference
God makes in your life?
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As the stories unfold about how
Doss's comrades looked to him,
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maybe some of them thought of
him like a good luck charm,
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others genuinely
seemed to respect his faith,
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and didn't want to be in
conflict if he wasn't there,
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because they saw him as somehow a...
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I don't know,
a spiritual force in the moment.
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Then I do think that you could say there
was a supernatural sense of what occurred,
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because if you look at
what happened at Okinawa,
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of his company of a
hundred and thirty people,
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only thirty of them were pushed
off, a hundred were left up on top.
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And he stayed there, and
as they depict it in the movie--
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and we've seen it in his documentaries--
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he just asked, "Lord, give me one more."
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A living reminder, some would call it,
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of how we might expect
Jesus to act in that situation.
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That, yes, the unconcern about himself,
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the concern for other people who
are in difficult, desperate moments.
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Doss has a certain ability to
resist the pressures around him
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to conform to what everyone else is doing,
even when it comes to his own safety.
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Talk to me for a moment about
that value as an Adventist value.
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Our view of where we are in history,
is often underlying the importance of
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being distinctive, differentiating
ourselves from the culture.
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Doss seemed to do
that in a remarkable way.
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He did it while he
stayed in the culture.
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I think part of what we miss is, he
was as good a soldier as anyone else.
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The skills you needed on the battlefield--
he understood, and that's how he operated.
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But what I see with Doss
is, our focus of creation.
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That God created us in the image of God.
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And as Adventists, we take
that seriously in many ways.
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I recently heard a sermon
on Matthew 14, about Peter
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walking on the water
when Christ called him,
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and Christ asks Peter, "Why did you
doubt me?" when he began to sink.
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He trusted the power of the waves
over the power of Christ, and he began--
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and I think with Doss, we find a human
being, that what he did on that ridge,
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he totally trusted Christ's power.
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But I see something there, the
heroes and the saints through history,
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they have somehow already achieved the
sense of peace about their own circumstances,
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and thus act with what looks
like fearlessness to the rest of us.
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That is right. Whether they survive or
not, there's this sense of selflessness,
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but also I think with
Desmond, when you look at it--
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to pull seventy-five to a
hundred people off a battlefield--
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there was this clear sense that he
had no doubt that God would use him.
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Recognizing that there's somebody
out there, wounded, hurting,
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who's really in need of help at a moment--
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we don't even know who they are just yet.
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- That's right.
- And this is Doss's commitment,
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not just to buddies, but to
anyone who's out there.
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That's right.