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How I defend the rule of law

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    Let me tell you a story
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    about a little girl named Naghma.
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    Naghma lived in a refugee camp
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    with her parents and her eight brothers and sisters.
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    Every morning, her father would wake up
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    in the hopes he'd be picked for construction work,
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    and on a good month he would earn 50 dollars.
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    The winter was very harsh,
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    and unfortunately, Naghma's brother died
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    and her mother became very ill.
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    In desperation, her father went to a neighbor
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    to borrow 2,500 dollars.
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    After several months of waiting,
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    the neighbor became very impatient,
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    and he demanded that he be paid back.
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    Unfortunately, Naghma's
    father didn't have the money,
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    and so the two men agreed to a jirga.
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    So simply put, a jirga is a form of mediation
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    that's used in Afghanistan's
    informal justice system.
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    It's usually presided over by religious leaders
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    and village elders,
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    and jirgas are often used in
    rural countries like Afghanistan,
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    where there's deep-seated resentment
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    against the formal system.
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    At the jirga, the men sat together
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    and they decided that the
    best way to satisfy the debt
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    would be if Naghma married
    the neighbor's 21-year-old son.
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    She was six.
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    Now, stories like Naghma's unfortunately
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    are all too common,
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    and from the comforts of our home,
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    we may look at these stories as another
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    crushing blow to women's rights.
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    And if you watched Afghanistan on the news,
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    you may have this view that it's a failed state.
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    However, Afghanistan does have a legal system,
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    and while jirgas are built on
    long-standing tribal customs,
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    even in jirgas, laws are supposed to be followed,
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    and it goes without saying
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    that giving a child to satisfy a debt
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    is not only grossly immoral, it's illegal.
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    In 2008, I went to Afghanistan
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    for a justice funded program,
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    and I went there originally
    on this nine-month program
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    to train Afghan lawyers.
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    In that nine months, I went around the country
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    and I talked to hundreds of
    people that were locked up,
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    and I talked to many businesses
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    that were also operating in Afghanistan.
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    And within these conversations,
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    I started hearing the connections
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    between the businesses and the people,
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    and how laws that were meant to protect them
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    were being underused,
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    while gross and illegal punitive
    measures were overused.
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    And so this put me on a quest for justness,
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    and what justness means to me
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    is using laws for their intended purpose,
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    which is to protect.
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    The role of laws is to protect.
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    So as a result, I decided to
    open up a private practice,
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    and I became the first foreigner to litigate
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    in Afghan courts.
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    Throughout this time, I also studied many laws,
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    I talked to many people,
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    I read up on many cases,
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    and I found that the lack of justness
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    is not just a problem in Afghanistan,
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    but it's a global problem.
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    And while I originally shied away from
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    representing human rights cases
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    because I was really concerned about how it would
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    affect me both professionally and personally,
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    I decided that the need for justness was so great
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    that I couldn't continue to ignore it.
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    And so I started representing people like Naghma
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    pro bono also.
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    Now, since I've been in Afghanistan
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    and since I've been an attorney for over 10 years,
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    I've represented from CEOs
    of Fortune 500 companies
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    to ambassadors to little girls like Naghma,
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    and with much success.
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    And the reason for my success is very simple:
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    I work the system from the inside out
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    and use the laws in the ways
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    that they're intended to be used.
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    I find that
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    achieving justness in places like Afghanistan
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    is difficult, and there's three reasons.
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    The first reason is that simply put,
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    people are very uneducated as
    to what their legal rights were,
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    and I find that this is a global problem.
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    The second issue
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    is that even with laws on the books,
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    it's often superseded or ignored
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    by tribal customs, like in the first jirga
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    that sold Naghma off.
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    And the third problem with achieving justness
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    is that even with good, existing laws on the books,
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    there aren't people or lawyers
    that are willing to fight
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    for those laws.
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    And that's what I do: I use existing laws,
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    often unused laws,
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    and I work those to the benefits of my clients.
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    We all need to create a global culture
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    of human rights
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    and be investors in a global
    human rights economy,
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    and by working in this mindset,
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    we can significantly improve justice globally.
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    Now let's get back to Naghma.
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    Several people heard about this story,
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    and so they contacted me because they wanted
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    to pay the $2,500 debt.
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    And it's not just that simple;
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    you can't just throw money at this problem
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    and think that it's going to disappear.
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    That's not how it works in Afghanistan.
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    So I told them I'd get involved,
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    but in order to get involved,
    what needed to happen
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    is a second jirga needed to be called,
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    a jirga of appeals.
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    And so in order for that to happen,
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    we needed to get the village elders together,
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    we needed to get the tribal leaders together,
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    the religious leaders.
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    Naghma's father needed to agree,
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    the neighbor needed to agree,
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    and also his son needed to agree.
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    And I thought, if I'm going to
    get involved in this thing,
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    then they also need to agree
    that I preside over it.
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    So, after hours of talking
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    and tracking them down,
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    and about 30 cups of tea,
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    they finally agreed that we could sit down
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    for a second jirga, and we did.
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    And what was different about the second jirga
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    is this time, we put the law at the center of it,
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    and it was very important for me
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    that they all understood that Naghma
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    had a right to be protected.
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    And at the end of this jirga,
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    it was ordered by the judge
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    that the first decision was erased,
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    and that the $2,500 debt was satisfied,
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    and we all signed a written order
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    where all the men acknowledged
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    that what they did was illegal,
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    and if they did it again, that
    they would go to prison.
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    Most —
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    (Applause)
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    Thanks.
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    And most importantly,
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    the engagement was terminated
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    and Naghma was free.
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    Protecting Naghma and her right to be free
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    protects us.
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    Now, with my job, there's above-average
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    amount of risks that are involved.
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    I've been temporarily detained.
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    I've been accused of running a brothel,
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    accused of being a spy.
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    I've had a grenade thrown at my office.
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    It didn't go off, though.
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    But I find that with my job,
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    that the rewards far outweigh the risks,
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    and as many risks as I take,
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    my clients take far greater risks,
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    because they have a lot more to lose
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    if their cases go unheard,
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    or worse, if they're penalized
    for having me as their lawyer.
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    With every case that I take,
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    I realize that as much as
    I'm standing behind my clients,
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    that they're also standing behind me,
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    and that's what keeps me going.
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    Law as a point of leverage
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    is crucial in protecting all of us.
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    Journalists are very vital in making sure
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    that that information is given to the public.
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    Too often, we receive information from journalists
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    but we forget how that information was given.
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    This picture is a picture of the
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    British press corps in Afghanistan.
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    It was taken a couple of years
    ago by my friend David Gill.
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    According to the Committee to Protect Journalists,
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    since 2010, there have been
    thousands of journalists
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    who have been threatened, injured,
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    killed, detained.
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    Too often, when we get this information,
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    we forget who it affects
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    or how that information is given to us.
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    What many journalists do,
    both foreign and domestic,
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    is very remarkable, especially
    in places like Afghanistan,
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    and it's important that we never forget that,
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    because what they're protecting
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    is not only our right to receive that information
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    but also the freedom of the press, which is vital
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    to a democratic society.
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    Matt Rosenberg is a journalist in Afghanistan.
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    He works for The New York Times,
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    and unfortunately, a few months ago
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    he wrote an article that displeased
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    people in the government.
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    As a result, he was temporarily detained
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    and he was illegally exiled out of the country.
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    I represent Matt,
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    and after dealing with the government,
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    I was able to get legal acknowledgment
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    that in fact he was illegally exiled,
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    and that freedom of the
    press does exist in Afghanistan,
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    and there's consequences if that's not followed.
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    And I'm happy to say that
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    as of a few days ago,
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    the Afghan government
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    formally invited him back into the country
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    and they reversed their exile order of him.
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    (Applause)
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    If you censor one journalist,
    then it intimidates others,
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    and soon nations are silenced.
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    It's important that we protect our journalists
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    and freedom of the press,
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    because that makes governments
    more accountable to us
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    and more transparent.
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    Protecting journalists and our right
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    to receive information protects us.
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    Our world is changing. We live
    in a different world now,
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    and what were once individual problems
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    are really now global problems for all of us.
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    Two weeks ago, Afghanistan had its first
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    democratic transfer of power
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    and elected president Ashraf Ghani, which is huge,
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    and I'm very optimistic about him,
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    and I'm hopeful that he'll give Afghanistan
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    the changes that it needs,
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    especially within the legal sector.
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    We live in a different world.
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    We live in a world where my
    eight-year-old daughter
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    only knows a black president.
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    There's a great possibility that our next president
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    will be a woman,
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    and as she gets older, she may question,
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    can a white guy be president?
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    (Laughter)
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    (Applause)
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    Our world is changing, and
    we need to change with it,
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    and what were once individual problems
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    are problems for all of us.
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    According to UNICEF,
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    there are currently over 280 million
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    boys and girls who are married
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    under the age of 15.
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    Two hundred and eighty million.
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    Child marriages prolong the vicious cycle
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    of poverty, poor health, lack of education.
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    At the age of 12, Sahar was married.
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    She was forced into this marriage
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    and sold by her brother.
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    When she went to her in-laws' house,
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    they forced her into prostitution.
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    Because she refused, she was tortured.
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    She was severely beaten with metal rods.
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    They burned her body.
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    They tied her up in a basement and starved her.
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    They used pliers to take out her fingernails.
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    At one point,
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    she managed to escape from this torture chamber
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    to a neighbor's house,
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    and when she went there, instead of protecting her,
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    they dragged her back
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    to her husband's house,
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    and she was tortured even worse.
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    When I met first Sahar, thankfully,
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    Women for Afghan Women
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    gave her a safe haven to go to.
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    As a lawyer, I try to be very strong
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    for all my clients,
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    because that's very important to me,
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    but seeing her,
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    how broken and very weak as she was,
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    was very difficult.
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    It took weeks for us to really get to
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    what happened to her
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    when she was in that house,
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    but finally she started opening up to me,
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    and when she opened up,
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    what I heard was
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    she didn't know what her rights were,
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    but she did know she had
    a certain level of protection
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    by her government that failed her,
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    and so we were able to talk about
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    what her legal options were.
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    And so we decided to take this case
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    to the Supreme Court.
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    Now, this is extremely significant,
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    because this is the first time
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    that a victim of domestic violence in Afghanistan
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    was being represented by a lawyer,
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    a law that's been on the
    books for years and years,
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    but until Sahar, had never been used.
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    In addition to this, we also decided
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    to sue for civil damages,
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    again using a law that's never been used,
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    but we used it for her case.
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    So there we were at the Supreme Court
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    arguing in front of 12 Afghan justices,
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    me as an American female lawyer,
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    and Sahar, a young woman
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    who when I met her couldn't
    speak above a whisper.
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    She stood up,
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    she found her voice,
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    and my girl told them that she wanted justice,
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    and she got it.
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    At the end of it all, the court unanimously agreed
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    that her in-laws should be
    arrested for what they did to her,
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    her fucking brother should also be arrested
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    for selling her —
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    (Applause) —
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    and they agreed that she did have a right
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    to civil compensation.
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    What Sahar has shown us is that we can attack
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    existing bad practices by using the laws
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    in the ways that they're intended to be used,
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    and by protecting Sahar,
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    we are protecting ourselves.
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    After having worked in Afghanistan
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    for over six years now,
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    a lot of my family and friends think
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    that what I do looks like this.
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    (Laughter)
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    But in all actuality, what I do looks like this.
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    Now, we can all do something.
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    I'm not saying we should all buy a
    plane ticket and go to Afghanistan,
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    but we can all be contributors
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    to a global human rights economy.
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    We can create a culture of transparency
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    and accountability to the laws,
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    and make governments more accountable to us,
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    as we are to them.
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    A few months ago, a South African lawyer
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    visited me in my office
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    and he said, "I wanted to meet you.
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    I wanted to see what a crazy person looked like."
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    The laws are ours,
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    and no matter what your ethnicity,
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    nationality, gender, race,
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    they belong to us,
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    and fighting for justice is not an act of insanity.
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    Businesses also need to get with the program.
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    A corporate investment in human rights
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    is a capital gain on your businesses,
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    and whether you're a business, an NGO,
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    or a private citizen, rule
    of law benefits all of us.
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    And by working together with a concerted mindset,
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    through the people, public and private sector,
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    we can create a global human rights economy
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    and all become global investors in human rights.
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    And by doing this,
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    we can achieve justness together.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
How I defend the rule of law
Speaker:
Kimberley Motley
Description:

Every human deserves protection under their country’s laws — even when that law is forgotten or ignored. Sharing three cases from her international legal practice, Kimberley Motley, an American litigator practicing in Afghanistan and elsewhere, shows how a country’s own laws can bring both justice and “justness”: using the law for its intended purpose, to protect.

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Video Language:
English
Team:
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Project:
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Duration:
15:26

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