What we didn't know about penis anatomy
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0:00 - 0:02When I go to parties,
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0:02 - 0:03it doesn't usually take very long
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0:03 - 0:04for people to find out
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0:04 - 0:08that I'm a scientist and I study sex.
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0:08 - 0:12And then I get asked questions.
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0:12 - 0:16And the questions usually have a very particular format.
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0:16 - 0:17They start with the phrase,
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0:17 - 0:19"A friend told me,"
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0:19 - 0:21and then they end with the phrase,
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0:21 - 0:23"Is this true?"
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0:23 - 0:24And most of the time
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0:24 - 0:26I'm glad to say that I can answer them,
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0:26 - 0:28but sometimes I have to say,
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0:28 - 0:29"I'm really sorry,
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0:29 - 0:30but I don't know
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0:30 - 0:33because I'm not that kind of a doctor."
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0:33 - 0:35That is, I'm not a clinician,
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0:35 - 0:38I'm a comparative biologist who studies anatomy.
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0:38 - 0:41And my job is to look at lots of different species of animals
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0:41 - 0:45and try to figure out how their tissues and organs work
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0:45 - 0:46when everything's going right,
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0:46 - 0:48rather than trying to figure out
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0:48 - 0:49how to fix things when they go wrong,
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0:49 - 0:51like so many of you.
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0:51 - 0:53And what I do is I look for similarities and differences
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0:53 - 0:55in the solutions that they've evolved
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0:55 - 0:57for fundamental biological problems.
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0:57 - 0:59So today I'm here to argue
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0:59 - 1:03that this is not at all
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1:03 - 1:04an esoteric Ivory Tower activity
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1:04 - 1:06that we find at our universities,
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1:06 - 1:08but that broad study
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1:08 - 1:11across species, tissue types and organ systems
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1:11 - 1:12can produce insights
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1:12 - 1:16that have direct implications for human health.
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1:16 - 1:18And this is true both of my recent project
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1:18 - 1:20on sex differences in the brain,
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1:20 - 1:22and my more mature work
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1:22 - 1:25on the anatomy and function of penises.
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1:25 - 1:27And now you know why I'm fun at parties.
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1:27 - 1:28(Laughter)
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1:28 - 1:31So today I'm going to give you an example
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1:31 - 1:32drawn from my penis study
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1:32 - 1:34to show you how knowledge
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1:34 - 1:36drawn from studies of one organ system
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1:36 - 1:39provided insights into a very different one.
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1:39 - 1:42Now I'm sure as everyone in the audience already knows --
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1:42 - 1:45I did have to explain it to my nine-year-old late last week --
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1:45 - 1:49penises are structures that transfer sperm
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1:49 - 1:50from one individual to another.
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1:50 - 1:52And the slide behind me
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1:52 - 1:53barely scratches the surface
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1:53 - 1:55of how widespread they are in animals.
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1:55 - 1:57There's an enormous amount of anatomical variation.
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1:57 - 2:01You find muscular tubes, modified legs, modified fins,
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2:01 - 2:05as well as the mammalian fleshy, inflatable cylinder
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2:05 - 2:07that we're all familiar with --
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2:07 - 2:09or at least half of you are.
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2:09 - 2:11(Laughter)
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2:11 - 2:14And I think we see this tremendous variation
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2:14 - 2:17because it's a really effective solution
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2:17 - 2:19to a very basic biological problem,
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2:19 - 2:22and that is getting sperm in a position
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2:22 - 2:25to meet up with eggs and form zygotes.
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2:25 - 2:28Now the penis isn't actually required for internal fertiliztion,
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2:28 - 2:31but when internal fertilization evolves,
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2:31 - 2:33penises often follow.
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2:33 - 2:37And the question I get when I start talking about this most often is,
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2:37 - 2:40"What made you interested in this subject?"
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2:40 - 2:44And the answer is skeletons.
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2:44 - 2:47You wouldn't think that skeletons and penises
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2:47 - 2:49have very much to do with one another.
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2:49 - 2:51And that's because we tend to think of skeletons
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2:51 - 2:52as stiff lever systems
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2:52 - 2:54that produce speed or power.
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2:54 - 2:58And my first forays into biological research,
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2:58 - 3:00doing dinosaur paleontology as an undergraduate,
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3:00 - 3:02were really squarely in that realm.
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3:02 - 3:05But when I went to graduate school to study biomechanics,
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3:05 - 3:08I really wanted to find a dissertation project
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3:08 - 3:11that would expand our knowledge of skeletal function.
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3:11 - 3:12I tried a bunch of different stuff.
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3:12 - 3:14A lot of it didn't pan out.
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3:14 - 3:16But then one day I started thinking
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3:16 - 3:18about the mammalian penis.
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3:18 - 3:22And it's really an odd sort of structure.
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3:22 - 3:24Before it can be used for internal fertilization,
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3:24 - 3:26its mechanical behavior has to change
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3:26 - 3:28in a really dramatic fashion.
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3:28 - 3:30Most of the time it's a flexible organ.
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3:30 - 3:31It's easy to bend.
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3:31 - 3:33But before it's brought into use
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3:33 - 3:35during copulation
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3:35 - 3:36it has to become rigid,
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3:36 - 3:38it has to become difficult to bend.
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3:38 - 3:40And moreover, it has to work.
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3:40 - 3:43A reproductive system that fails to function
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3:43 - 3:47produces an individual that has no offspring,
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3:47 - 3:50and that individual is then kicked out of the gene pool.
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3:50 - 3:52And so I thought, "Here's a problem
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3:52 - 3:55that just cries out for a skeletal system --
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3:55 - 3:59not one like this one,
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3:59 - 4:02but one like this one --
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4:02 - 4:04because, functionally,
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4:04 - 4:06a skeleton is any system
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4:06 - 4:09that supports tissue and transmits forces.
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4:09 - 4:11And I already knew that animals like this earthworm,
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4:11 - 4:13indeed most animals,
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4:13 - 4:14don't support their tissues
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4:14 - 4:16by draping them over bones.
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4:16 - 4:18Instead they're more like reinforced water balloons.
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4:18 - 4:22They use a skeleton that we call a hydrostatic skeleton.
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4:22 - 4:24And a hydrostatic skeleton
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4:24 - 4:26uses two elements.
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4:26 - 4:28The skeletal support comes from an interaction
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4:28 - 4:30between a pressurized fluid
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4:30 - 4:32and a surrounding wall of tissue
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4:32 - 4:36that's held in tension and reinforced with fibrous proteins.
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4:36 - 4:39And the interaction is crucial.
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4:39 - 4:42Without both elements you have no support.
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4:42 - 4:43If you have fluid
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4:43 - 4:45with no wall to surround it
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4:45 - 4:47and keep pressure up,
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4:47 - 4:49you have a puddle.
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4:49 - 4:51And if you have just the wall
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4:51 - 4:52with no fluid inside of it to put the wall in tension,
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4:52 - 4:54you've got a little wet rag.
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4:54 - 4:57When you look at a penis in cross section,
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4:57 - 4:59it has a lot of the hallmarks
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4:59 - 5:01of a hydrostatic skeleton.
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5:01 - 5:03It has a central space
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5:03 - 5:04of spongy erectile tissue
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5:04 - 5:07that fills with fluid -- in this case blood --
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5:07 - 5:09surrounded by a wall of tissue
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5:09 - 5:13that's rich in a stiff structural protein called collagen.
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5:13 - 5:16But at the time when I started this project,
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5:16 - 5:19the best explanation I could find for penal erection
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5:19 - 5:23was that the wall surrounded these spongy tissues,
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5:23 - 5:25and the spongy tissues filled with blood
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5:25 - 5:28and pressure rose and voila! it became erect.
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5:28 - 5:32And that explained to me expansion --
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5:32 - 5:36made sense: more fluid, you get tissues that expand --
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5:36 - 5:39but it didn't actually explain erection.
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5:39 - 5:43Because there was no mechanism in this explanation
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5:43 - 5:46for making this structure hard to bend.
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5:46 - 5:48And no one had systematically looked at the wall tissue.
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5:48 - 5:51So I thought, wall tissue's important in skeletons.
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5:51 - 5:53It has to be part of the explanation.
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5:53 - 5:56And this was the point
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5:56 - 5:58at which my graduate adviser said,
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5:58 - 6:02"Whoa! Hold on. Slow down."
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6:02 - 6:05Because after about six months of me talking about this,
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6:05 - 6:07I think he finally figured out
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6:07 - 6:10that I was really serious about the penis thing.
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6:10 - 6:13(Laughter)
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6:13 - 6:15So he sat me down, and he warned me.
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6:15 - 6:17He was like, "Be careful going down this path.
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6:17 - 6:20I'm not sure this project's going to pan out."
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6:20 - 6:22Because he was afraid I was walking into a trap.
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6:22 - 6:27I was taking on a socially embarrassing question
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6:27 - 6:29with an answer that he thought
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6:29 - 6:32might not be particularly interesting.
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6:32 - 6:33And that was because
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6:33 - 6:35every hydrostatic skeleton
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6:35 - 6:37that we had found in nature up to that point
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6:37 - 6:39had the same basic elements.
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6:39 - 6:40It had the central fluid,
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6:40 - 6:42it had the surrounding wall,
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6:42 - 6:45and the reinforcing fibers in the wall
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6:45 - 6:47were arranged in crossed helices
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6:47 - 6:49around the long axis of the skeleton.
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6:49 - 6:51So the image behind me
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6:51 - 6:52shows a piece of tissue
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6:52 - 6:54in one of these cross helical skeletons
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6:54 - 6:57cut so that you're looking at the surface of the wall.
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6:57 - 6:58The arrow shows you the long axis.
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6:58 - 7:00And you can see two layers of fibers,
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7:00 - 7:02one in blue and one in yellow,
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7:02 - 7:05arranged in left-handed and right-handed angles.
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7:05 - 7:07And if you weren't just looking at a little section of the fibers,
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7:07 - 7:10those fibers would be going in helices
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7:10 - 7:12around the long axis of the skeleton --
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7:12 - 7:14something like a Chinese finger trap,
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7:14 - 7:16where you stick your fingers in and they get stuck.
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7:16 - 7:19And these skeletons have a particular set of behaviors,
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7:19 - 7:21which I'm going to demonstrate in a film.
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7:21 - 7:22It's a model skeleton
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7:22 - 7:24that I made out of a piece of cloth
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7:24 - 7:27that I wrapped around an inflated balloon.
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7:27 - 7:28The cloth's cut on the bias.
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7:28 - 7:31So you can see that the fibers wrap in helices,
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7:31 - 7:35and those fibers can reorient as the skeleton moves,
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7:35 - 7:37which means the skeleton's flexible.
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7:37 - 7:39It lengthens, shortens and bends really easily
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7:39 - 7:43in response to internal or external forces.
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7:43 - 7:44Now my adviser's concern
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7:44 - 7:46was what if the penile wall tissue
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7:46 - 7:48is just the same as any other hydrostatic skeleton.
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7:48 - 7:50What are you going to contribute?
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7:50 - 7:52What new thing are you contributing
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7:52 - 7:53to our knowledge of biology?
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7:53 - 7:57And I thought, "Yeah, he does have a really good point here."
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7:57 - 7:58So I spent a long, long time thinking about it.
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7:58 - 8:00And one thing kept bothering me,
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8:00 - 8:03and that's, when they're functioning,
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8:03 - 8:05penises don't wiggle.
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8:05 - 8:07(Laughter)
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8:07 - 8:10So something interesting had to be going on.
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8:10 - 8:13So I went ahead, collected wall tissue,
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8:13 - 8:15prepared it so it was erect,
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8:15 - 8:17sectioned it, put it on slides
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8:17 - 8:20and then stuck it under the microscope to have a look,
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8:20 - 8:25fully expecting to see crossed helices of collagen of some variety.
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8:25 - 8:27But instead I saw this.
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8:27 - 8:30There's an outer layer and an inner layer.
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8:30 - 8:33The arrow shows you the long axis of the skeleton.
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8:33 - 8:35I was really surprised at this.
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8:35 - 8:36Everyone I showed it
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8:36 - 8:38was really surprised at this.
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8:38 - 8:39Why was everyone surprised at this?
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8:39 - 8:42That's because we knew theoretically
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8:42 - 8:45that there was another way
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8:45 - 8:48of arranging fibers in a hydrostatic skeleton,
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8:48 - 8:50and that was with fibers at zero degrees
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8:50 - 8:54and 90 degrees to the long axis of the structure.
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8:54 - 8:58The thing is, no one had ever seen it before in nature.
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8:58 - 9:00And now I was looking at one.
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9:00 - 9:03Those fibers in that particular orientation
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9:03 - 9:06give the skeleton a very, very different behavior.
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9:06 - 9:07I'm going to show a model
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9:07 - 9:09made out of exactly the same materials.
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9:09 - 9:11So it'll be made of the same cotton cloth,
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9:11 - 9:15same balloon, same internal pressure.
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9:15 - 9:17But the only difference
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9:17 - 9:20is that the fibers are arranged differently.
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9:20 - 9:22And you'll see that, unlike the cross helical model,
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9:22 - 9:25this model resists extension and contraction
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9:25 - 9:27and resists bending.
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9:27 - 9:28Now what that tells us
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9:28 - 9:30is that wall tissues are doing so much more
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9:30 - 9:32than just covering the vascular tissues.
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9:32 - 9:36They're an integral part of the penile skeleton.
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9:36 - 9:38If the wall around the erectile tissue wasn't there,
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9:38 - 9:40if it wasn't reinforced in this way,
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9:40 - 9:42the shape would change,
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9:42 - 9:44but the inflated penis would not resist bending,
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9:44 - 9:46and erection simply wouldn't work.
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9:46 - 9:49It's an observation with obvious medical applications
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9:49 - 9:50in humans as well,
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9:50 - 9:53but it's also relevant in a broad sense, I think,
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9:53 - 9:56to the design of prosthetics, soft robots,
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9:56 - 9:57basically anything
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9:57 - 10:00where changes of shape and stiffness are important.
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10:00 - 10:02So to sum up:
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10:02 - 10:03Twenty years ago,
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10:03 - 10:05I had a college adviser tell me,
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10:05 - 10:07when I went to the college and said,
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10:07 - 10:08"I'm kind of interested in anatomy,"
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10:08 - 10:10they said, "Anatomy's a dead science."
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10:10 - 10:13He couldn't have been more wrong.
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10:13 - 10:15I really believe that we still have a lot to learn
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10:15 - 10:18about the normal structure and function of our bodies.
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10:18 - 10:21Not just about its genetics and molecular biology,
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10:21 - 10:25but up here in the meat end of the scale.
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10:25 - 10:26We've got limits on our time.
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10:26 - 10:28We often focus on one disease,
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10:28 - 10:30one model, one problem,
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10:30 - 10:31but my experience suggests
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10:31 - 10:33that we should take the time
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10:33 - 10:35to apply ideas broadly between systems
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10:35 - 10:37and just see where it takes us.
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10:37 - 10:41After all, if ideas about invertebrate skeletons
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10:41 - 10:42can give us insights
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10:42 - 10:44about mammalian reproductive systems,
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10:44 - 10:49there could be lots of other wild and productive connections
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10:49 - 10:51lurking out there just waiting to be found.
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10:51 - 10:53Thank you.
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10:53 - 10:56(Applause)
- Title:
- What we didn't know about penis anatomy
- Speaker:
- Diane Kelly
- Description:
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We’re not done with anatomy. We know a tremendous amount about genomics, proteomics and cell biology, but as Diane Kelly makes clear at TEDMED, there are basic facts about the human body we’re still learning. Case in point: How does the mammalian erection work?
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 11:20
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