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John Akomfrah in "London" - Season 10 - "Art in the Twenty-First Century" | Art21

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    ♪energetic strings♪
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    When I was younger, the dream was to go and 
    study art history and I just wanted to be
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    an art historian. Not even an artist, just an art 
    historian, and I don't know where that came from.
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    I think the first time I came here,
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    I would have been 14 and came back every month 
    until I left West London to go to university.
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    I started with the gentler one's, the Constables. 
    And Constable always feels like that for me,
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    it feels like the beginning of 
    one's initiation to painting.
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    It's a sort of fateful rendition of 
    English countryside. I get that sort
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    of familiarity with certain features of 
    the English landscape. I get all of that.
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    Turner's my guy because there there's an act of 
    will and imagination, which is at the forefront
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    with what I call his cinematic eye. It's 
    a painting, but it feels like you're
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    in the disaster.
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    Everything I love about 
    Turner from the beginning is right there.
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    When you're a kid, you're made by paintings 
    because they teach you to be a human being.
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    They didn't teach me to be a Black person, 
    but they taught me to be a human being.
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    Slowly, it dawned on me, that it's a sort of 
    temple of whiteness, everywhere you look you can
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    see it. And that whiteness is offered to you by 
    the paintings as a sort of vision of excellence.
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    It's almost like a psychoanalytic moment of 
    becoming. The very thing that you love may well
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    be also the thing that's keeping you in a state 
    of discomfort about your place in the culture.
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    And so, you have to find another way of coming at
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    the thing you love, by embellishing it with other 
    histories and other stories and other narratives.
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    I became interested in making multi 
    screen films because it seemed a
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    way of bringing disparate interests together.
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    In a project in which you've shot material 
    yourself, having archival material immediately
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    says, multiplicity or voices at work, rather than 
    a voice.
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    I'm more choreographer than creator.
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    [John] I always love this stuff.
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    — Yeah.
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    [John] Somehow you can
    just see, I don't know,
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    but weirdly you can
    see that that's 4K.
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    [Qasim] Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's
    like more detail in the lines.
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    [John] Yeah, it's just more
    detail, it's just more light.
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    [Qasim] Yeah.
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    [John] Um, oh look at that.
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    Whole range, but you can see, what's going on
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    [Qasim] Amazing, yeah.
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    [Laughs]
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    [John] Oh, oh yeah. Yeah, go back.
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    If you live as I did in London, growing up 
    as a person of color, one of the missions
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    was to understand who you were and then by 
    implication, make sense of that to everybody else.
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    That this was a feeling I shared 
    with others was really important
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    for how Black Audio Film Collective came about.
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    We came together as a group in the same 
    art college on the south coast of England.
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    We heard from friends across the 
    country that something was going on
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    in Handsworth and that we 
    should come and document it.
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    [Woman] The youths are angry.
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    Not only the unemployment
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    That is just in the background.
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    That just-- everybody feel that. Right?
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    That's not a major part.
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    It's the harassment that is
    going on with the black people in the area...
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    [John] One of the features of the 70's and 80's 
    was a spate of riots across the country.
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    The reasons why a young group of 
    Black men and women would take
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    to the street had something to do 
    with the present, of course. But,
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    it is also a kind of accumulation of all sorts 
    of other events, which leads to that point.
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    [Woman] These are for those
    to whom history has not been friendly.
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    For those who have known the
    cruelties of political becoming.
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    [John] One of the things you needed to do was to remind 
    people that the riots were simply stalked by
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    all these other history's.
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    "Handsworth Songs" was an attempt to try and do that.
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    We wanted to raise the question of 
    Black representation in filmmaking.
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    By the 90's, we felt like we'd done it.
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    We continue to be friends and allies even thought 
    we don't work together as a collective anymore.
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    Literally, a couple of months 
    ago what defined this square was
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    permanent camps of people who were pro Brexit and 
    people who were very definitely anti Brexit. And
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    of course it's all gone now. It feels like a done 
    deal, it really does and depressingly so actually.
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    Increasingly, there's a kind of 
    disenchantment with being in London.
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    Most of us who are foreign looking got 
    the narrative very early on that apart
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    from anything else, what Brexit was 
    about was saying, "We don't want you."
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    And it made you feel momentarily ruthless.
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    Now that it feels as if it's "Over,"
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    part of the accepting it is also not to 
    allow yourself to be destabilized by it.
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    The essence of all experiments, be it in politics 
    or aesthetics or narrative is that, there has to
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    be a way in which the past, present, and the 
    future can be brought into some sort of whole.
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    It is impossible to overstate 
    the significance of the sea in
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    the formation of the African 
    diaspora and Black identity.
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    "Vertigo Sea" was made up 
    of readings from "Moby Dick."
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    Accounts of enslaved Africans perishing 
    at sea and certainly, the Vietnamese
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    boat crisis' of the 70's, people trying to 
    escape from North Vietnam to come to Europe.
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    It was important that it felt episodic.
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    When I installed "Vertigo Sea" at 
    Turner Contemporary, we had a Turner,
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    and the painting we chose was "The Deluge." 
    And it was absolutely, absolutely perfect
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    for that show because it gave "Vertigo Sea" 
    a kind of godparent.
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    It felt to me important
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    that you had different voices to represent 
    the ways in which disasters come at sea.
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    ♪soft ominous synths♪
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    The shift to making "Purple" was out 
    of the desire to find a way of fusing
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    autobiography and historical insights together.
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    If you live as I did, in London in the 60's,
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    no one ever mentioned the fact that living 
    underneath a power station, which pumped a
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    million ton of carbon dioxide into the air may 
    have an adverse effect on your life. Never.
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    Battersea Power Station was working at the 
    time of the Cuban revolution, and continued
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    to work by the time Nkrumah was overthrown 
    in Ghana in '66. It was poisoning me during
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    the March on Washington. You know, all of these 
    things were happening at exactly the same time.
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    There's no causality between the March on Washington and my poisoning as a teenager.
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    But, the connective tissue is me.
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    I lived through this, I experienced this.
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    And so, by implication I am this weird 
    product of these disparate elements.
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    [Man] In the sky, those gasses
    are partially converted to
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    sulfuric and nitric acids.
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    ♪soft piano♪
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    [John] It's not true that children don't know when seismic political events take place, they do.
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    Uh, you felt it palpably.
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    I remember it very clearly that things 
    had changed in Ghana.
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    I'm of Ghanaian heritage.
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    My mom was a member of the ruling party 
    that took Ghana to independence in '57.
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    The military coup in '66 pretty much 
    meant that we had to leave Ghana,
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    because coups are a bit like death when 
    they come. It wipes out everything.
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    I was very, very happy to come here. And for a 
    good decade, this literally was paradise for me.
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    "Four Nocturnes" was my contribution to 
    the Ghana Pavilion at the Venice Biennale.
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    The brief was do something on Ghana freedom.
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    Global warming is affecting Africans. 
    Everyone on the continent is suffering.
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    Whenever you're looking at an image of 
    a young person walking across a desert,
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    it's also worth considering on the screen left 
    and right, that that desert is not history free.
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    So many young African migrants were drowned, 
    in the thousands at sea five, six years ago.
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    All of those lives were saying, "Come 
    on man, you could have been one of us."
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    So if you're not one of us, what are you 
    doing to tell people about who we are?"
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    Once you've understood that 
    you are a product of things,
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    you can't shake off realizing 
    that from across your life.
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    [Dread Scott] Those who wish to
    die free, rise with me!
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    [cheering]
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    Onto New Orleans!
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    [John] The artist Dread Scott decided 
    that he would organize the 1811
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    slavery rebellion reenactment as 
    a march, as a way of honoring the event.
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    I have known Dread for the last 15 years.
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    Generally friends or allies ask me to do
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    something, I would if I can. And, I got involved 
    because he asked as an act of solidarity.
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    If it looks like they're going to go too far 
    that way, just gently bring it across. Okay.
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    Let's roll on this now, because 
    I can see them in the distance.
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    It's a huge African diasporic event 
    that could have conceivably changed the
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    entire history of enslavement across the Americas.
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    We will now spend probably the next seven 
    months, Lara and I, trying to find a narrative
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    order to the material that we shot over the 
    two, three days. And then, we'll begin to add
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    some of this stuff to it.
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    I'd like it to call on 
    other events to help it make sense in the present.
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    If you ever see me in the field shooting, there 
    would usually be my long-time collaborator
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    David Lawson. My partner, Lina, who 
    has also a member of the collective,
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    and my son Ashitey who is now working with us. 
    And between us, we shepherd each project through.
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    The sense of belonging isn't some abstract ideal 
    Britishness or Englishness or even a Londonness.
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    It's very concrete, specific things. You make a 
    space in a corner of it that you're comfortable with,
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    with a bunch of your mates, and that's your 
    England, that's your Britain, that's your London.
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John Akomfrah in "London" - Season 10 - "Art in the Twenty-First Century" | Art21
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