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When I was younger, the dream was to go and
study art history and I just wanted to be
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an art historian. Not even an artist, just an art
historian, and I don't know where that came from.
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I think the first time I came here,
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I would have been 14 and came back every month
until I left West London to go to university.
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I started with the gentler one's, the Constables.
And Constable always feels like that for me,
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it feels like the beginning of
one's initiation to painting.
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It's a sort of fateful rendition of
English countryside. I get that sort
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of familiarity with certain features of
the English landscape. I get all of that.
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Turner's my guy because there there's an act of
will and imagination, which is at the forefront
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with what I call his cinematic eye. It's
a painting, but it feels like you're
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in the disaster.
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Everything I love about
Turner from the beginning is right there.
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When you're a kid, you're made by paintings
because they teach you to be a human being.
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They didn't teach me to be a Black person,
but they taught me to be a human being.
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Slowly, it dawned on me, that it's a sort of
temple of whiteness, everywhere you look you can
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see it. And that whiteness is offered to you by
the paintings as a sort of vision of excellence.
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It's almost like a psychoanalytic moment of
becoming. The very thing that you love may well
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be also the thing that's keeping you in a state
of discomfort about your place in the culture.
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And so, you have to find another way of coming at
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the thing you love, by embellishing it with other
histories and other stories and other narratives.
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I became interested in making multi
screen films because it seemed a
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way of bringing disparate interests together.
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In a project in which you've shot material
yourself, having archival material immediately
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says, multiplicity or voices at work, rather than
a voice.
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I'm more choreographer than creator.
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[John] I always love this stuff.
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— Yeah.
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[John] Somehow you can
just see, I don't know,
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but weirdly you can
see that that's 4K.
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[Qasim] Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's
like more detail in the lines.
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[John] Yeah, it's just more
detail, it's just more light.
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[Qasim] Yeah.
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[John] Um, oh look at that.
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Whole range, but you can see, what's going on
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[Qasim] Amazing, yeah.
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[Laughs]
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[John] Oh, oh yeah. Yeah, go back.
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If you live as I did in London, growing up
as a person of color, one of the missions
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was to understand who you were and then by
implication, make sense of that to everybody else.
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That this was a feeling I shared
with others was really important
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for how Black Audio Film Collective came about.
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We came together as a group in the same
art college on the south coast of England.
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We heard from friends across the
country that something was going on
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in Handsworth and that we
should come and document it.
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[Woman] The youths are angry.
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Not only the unemployment
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That is just in the background.
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That just-- everybody feel that. Right?
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That's not a major part.
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It's the harassment that is
going on with the black people in the area...
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[John] One of the features of the 70's and 80's
was a spate of riots across the country.
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The reasons why a young group of
Black men and women would take
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to the street had something to do
with the present, of course. But,
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it is also a kind of accumulation of all sorts
of other events, which leads to that point.
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[Woman] These are for those
to whom history has not been friendly.
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For those who have known the
cruelties of political becoming.
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[John] One of the things you needed to do was to remind
people that the riots were simply stalked by
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all these other history's.
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"Handsworth Songs" was an attempt to try and do that.
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We wanted to raise the question of
Black representation in filmmaking.
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By the 90's, we felt like we'd done it.
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We continue to be friends and allies even thought
we don't work together as a collective anymore.
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Literally, a couple of months
ago what defined this square was
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permanent camps of people who were pro Brexit and
people who were very definitely anti Brexit. And
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of course it's all gone now. It feels like a done
deal, it really does and depressingly so actually.
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Increasingly, there's a kind of
disenchantment with being in London.
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Most of us who are foreign looking got
the narrative very early on that apart
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from anything else, what Brexit was
about was saying, "We don't want you."
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And it made you feel momentarily ruthless.
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Now that it feels as if it's "Over,"
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part of the accepting it is also not to
allow yourself to be destabilized by it.
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The essence of all experiments, be it in politics
or aesthetics or narrative is that, there has to
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be a way in which the past, present, and the
future can be brought into some sort of whole.
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It is impossible to overstate
the significance of the sea in
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the formation of the African
diaspora and Black identity.
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"Vertigo Sea" was made up
of readings from "Moby Dick."
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Accounts of enslaved Africans perishing
at sea and certainly, the Vietnamese
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boat crisis' of the 70's, people trying to
escape from North Vietnam to come to Europe.
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It was important that it felt episodic.
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When I installed "Vertigo Sea" at
Turner Contemporary, we had a Turner,
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and the painting we chose was "The Deluge."
And it was absolutely, absolutely perfect
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for that show because it gave "Vertigo Sea"
a kind of godparent.
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It felt to me important
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that you had different voices to represent
the ways in which disasters come at sea.
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The shift to making "Purple" was out
of the desire to find a way of fusing
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autobiography and historical insights together.
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If you live as I did, in London in the 60's,
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no one ever mentioned the fact that living
underneath a power station, which pumped a
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million ton of carbon dioxide into the air may
have an adverse effect on your life. Never.
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Battersea Power Station was working at the
time of the Cuban revolution, and continued
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to work by the time Nkrumah was overthrown
in Ghana in '66. It was poisoning me during
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the March on Washington. You know, all of these
things were happening at exactly the same time.
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There's no causality between the March on Washington and my poisoning as a teenager.
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But, the connective tissue is me.
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I lived through this, I experienced this.
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And so, by implication I am this weird
product of these disparate elements.
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[Man] In the sky, those gasses
are partially converted to
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sulfuric and nitric acids.
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[John] It's not true that children don't know when seismic political events take place, they do.
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Uh, you felt it palpably.
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I remember it very clearly that things
had changed in Ghana.
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I'm of Ghanaian heritage.
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My mom was a member of the ruling party
that took Ghana to independence in '57.
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The military coup in '66 pretty much
meant that we had to leave Ghana,
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because coups are a bit like death when
they come. It wipes out everything.
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I was very, very happy to come here. And for a
good decade, this literally was paradise for me.
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"Four Nocturnes" was my contribution to
the Ghana Pavilion at the Venice Biennale.
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The brief was do something on Ghana freedom.
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Global warming is affecting Africans.
Everyone on the continent is suffering.
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Whenever you're looking at an image of
a young person walking across a desert,
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it's also worth considering on the screen left
and right, that that desert is not history free.
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So many young African migrants were drowned,
in the thousands at sea five, six years ago.
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All of those lives were saying, "Come
on man, you could have been one of us."
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So if you're not one of us, what are you
doing to tell people about who we are?"
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Once you've understood that
you are a product of things,
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you can't shake off realizing
that from across your life.
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[Dread Scott] Those who wish to
die free, rise with me!
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[cheering]
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Onto New Orleans!
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[John] The artist Dread Scott decided
that he would organize the 1811
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slavery rebellion reenactment as
a march, as a way of honoring the event.
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I have known Dread for the last 15 years.
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Generally friends or allies ask me to do
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something, I would if I can. And, I got involved
because he asked as an act of solidarity.
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If it looks like they're going to go too far
that way, just gently bring it across. Okay.
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Let's roll on this now, because
I can see them in the distance.
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It's a huge African diasporic event
that could have conceivably changed the
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entire history of enslavement across the Americas.
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We will now spend probably the next seven
months, Lara and I, trying to find a narrative
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order to the material that we shot over the
two, three days. And then, we'll begin to add
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some of this stuff to it.
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I'd like it to call on
other events to help it make sense in the present.
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If you ever see me in the field shooting, there
would usually be my long-time collaborator
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David Lawson. My partner, Lina, who
has also a member of the collective,
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and my son Ashitey who is now working with us.
And between us, we shepherd each project through.
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The sense of belonging isn't some abstract ideal
Britishness or Englishness or even a Londonness.
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It's very concrete, specific things. You make a
space in a corner of it that you're comfortable with,
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with a bunch of your mates, and that's your
England, that's your Britain, that's your London.