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I don’t quite know
how to begin these talks.
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As there are going to be
six talks and seven discussions,
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I’d like to point out, if I may,
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that we are going to think over
together our problems.
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We’re going to use reason,
clear thinking,
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and not any kind of assertive
beliefs, opinions, judgements,
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or any form of conclusion.
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And, therefore,
it becomes rather serious.
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It’s not an entertainment,
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a morning off or an afternoon,
Saturday and Sunday,
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but, rather, a serious gathering
to consider, very deeply,
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the many human conflicts, problems,
sorrows, pleasures, fears,
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and the nature of meditation
and so on.
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We’re going to go into all
these talks, into all these matters.
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But, first, I’d like to point out,
if I may,
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the speaker is not trying
to convince you of anything.
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Please believe it.
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He’s not persuading you
to think along his particular line.
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Again, please believe it.
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He’s not offering
a particular set of ideologies,
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nor beliefs, nor conclusions,
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because these have
separated the world,
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human beings, one against the other.
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So, we’re not in any way concerned
with any of those matters,
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neither belief, conclusion,
opinions or judgements.
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But we are going together,
and we mean together,
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you and the speaker,
carefully, objectively,
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to look what is happening around us,
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not romantically, not sentimentally,
but just to observe,
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without any conclusion,
without offering any opinion,
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but just to look and reason together,
think over together.
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And I think it’s very important
to understand that word ‘together.’
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Most of us are accustomed to go to
meetings or gatherings of this kind,
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either to accept what the speaker
is saying or to reject,
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one opinion or one idea
against another,
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or persuade you,
through clever argumentation,
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to follow or accept what he’s saying.
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And, therefore, we are thinking
together over these problems,
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sharing together.
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And this is really
very important to understand,
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if I may go on with it,
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because one is apt to listen as though
somebody was talking out there,
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and you’re casually
accepting or denying.
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So, it seems to me,
that’s your responsibility,
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responsibility being
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that you undertake, seriously,
to think together,
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to find out the accurate,
true solutions to these problems
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that we human beings
are tormented with.
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So, it behoves,
on the part of each one of us,
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that reasoning,
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the capacity to think
logically, sanely, wholly,
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becomes very important.
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We’re apt to think anything that’s
the product of reason, clear thinking,
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is too intellectual and,
therefore, not for each one of us.
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But on the contrary, I feel if we can
think, observe, reason together,
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putting aside our personal
conclusions, opinions, evaluations,
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what we like and what we don’t like,
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what we’re attracted to and so on,
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if we can put aside all those things,
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and are able to think together,
deeply, sanely,
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that is, objectively, wholly,
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then, I think, we shall be able
to deeply transform ourselves.
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Because, when one goes round
the world, as the speaker does,
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from India, Europe, and here,
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one sees great sorrow, wars, violence,
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all kinds of stupidities,
terrorism, killing, drugs.
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You know what is happening,
as well as I do.
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And we’re accepting these,
as though they’re inevitable.
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And, as most of us
are traditionally minded,
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we naturally and easily
put up with these things.
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Or we revolt against them.
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But that revolt is a reaction,
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like Communism is a reaction
to Capitalism, or Fascism.
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So, without revolt,
without going against something,
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and forming our own
little group or communes,
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or following a particular guru
or another guru,
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from India, or from this country,
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and they are bursting like mushrooms
all over the world, these gurus,
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unfortunately.
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But, if we could, without accepting
any kind of authority,
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because in spiritual matters
there is no authority,
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there is no guru, there is no priest,
there are no sanctions.
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And this is very important
to understand
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if we are going to go, together,
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investigating into all these problems
that we human beings have had,
-
centuries upon centuries,
generation after generation.
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So, first, if one may point out,
there is no authority here.
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We are friends,
two friends, talking over together
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our conflicts, our uncertainties,
our travail,
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the things that we human beings
go through in our life,
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and end in death, without
understanding what it is all about,
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or committed to a particular action,
thinking that it will solve
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all our human
conflicts and miseries and fears.
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When that is clearly
and definitely understood,
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that there is no authority, the
speaker has no authority whatsoever,
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though he may be sitting
on a platform,
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because that’s merely for convenience,
so that we can all see each other.
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But a little height doesn’t give him
any authority.
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And so, don’t put him into authority,
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place him into, give him authority.
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And I really mean this,
because in psychological matters
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which we are going to investigate,
very deeply together,
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there is no authority, whether
it is the European psychologists
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or the modern psychologists
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or the gurus or the books,
or the saviours, ancient or modern,
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in that field of psychology
to accept authority,
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is to deny clarity,
clear thinking, logic
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and to be sane and, therefore, whole.
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The word ‘whole’ implies
having good health,
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having sanity,
and also it implies h-o-l-y, holy.
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So, when we use the word
‘whole,’ holistic,
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it implies all that –
health, sanity, clarity,
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and that which is holy, complete.
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So, as we were saying,
in the psychological field,
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as there is no authority,
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we are putting aside
all that people have told us
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– if you can –
which is very difficult,
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and examine, step by step,
again, if we can,
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into the enormous problem
of existence, of our daily living.
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Psychologically, inwardly,
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we human beings, wherever we are,
are the world, psychologically.
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The world is us,
the world is me and I am the world.
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And that is a psychological,
absolute fact.
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Though you may have white skin,
brown skin or black skin
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or whatever it is, outwardly,
affluent, rich, prosperous,
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many cars, all the rest of it.
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Or you may be very poor,
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but inwardly, deep down,
we’re all the same.
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We suffer, we’re lonely,
we’re in sorrow, conflict,
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misery, confusion, depending
on somebody to tell us what to do,
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how to think, what to think.
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We are slaves to propaganda,
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from the various churches
and various religions, sects
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– that’s what’s happening,
all over the world,
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not only politically, by the experts,
by the governments and so on,
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but inwardly, deep down,
we are slaves to propaganda,
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we are conditioned human beings,
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whether we live in India,
America or here.
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I hope that one realises that,
not intellectually,
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not verbally,
because that has very little meaning,
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but actually see the fact of it,
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that you, living in America, with
all the riches, marvellous country,
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crazy people, drug-minded, you know,
all that’s happening in this country,
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the violence, the brutality,
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the divisive communes,
based on their beliefs and so on.
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But, when you sweep all that aside,
put all that aside,
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whether here or in India or in Europe,
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we go through the same mill of
misfortune, uncertainty, deep sorrow.
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So, we are actually,
psychologically, the world,
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and the world is you.
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Once you realise this fact,
not verbally, not ideologically,
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or as a statement of fact,
but actually, deeply feel the fact,
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realise the fact, that you are
not different from the other,
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however far away he is – inwardly –
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because he suffers enormously,
he’s terribly frightened,
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uncertain, insecure,
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both physiologically,
as well as psychologically.
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And, when you realise that,
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and in examination of that realisation
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you’re not concerned
with your little self,
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you’re concerned
with the total human being.
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You understand this?
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With the total humanity, which is you,
because you are the world.
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So, when we are talking
about these matters,
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we are concerned with the human being,
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not with Mr X or Y or somebody else,
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because he’s the total psychological
entity, as a human being,
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wherever he lives.
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I hope this is clear. This is factual.
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You may be conditioned
in a particular way,
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you may be Catholic, a Protestant,
God knows what else you are,
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Baptists and, you know, Jesus-minded
– you’re conditioned.
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And in India, it is the same,
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they are conditioned by thousands
of years of certain kinds of beliefs,
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superstitions, ideas,
gods and all the rest of it.
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But, below that conditioning,
in the depth of their human mind,
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when they’re alone,
when they are facing life,
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there is sorrow, there is pain,
there is grief, there is anxiety.
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So, you are the world
and the world is you.
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And, when one sees that
as an actual, irrevocable fact,
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then you begin to think
entirely differently,
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then you begin to observe,
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not as a person, individual
having troubles and anxieties,
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but the whole entire humanity
is having it.
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Then it gives you
an extraordinary strength.
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I don’t know if you follow all this.
It gives you extraordinary vitality.
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Then you are not alone, you are
the entire history of mankind,
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if you know how to read that book,
which is you.
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And that’s what we are going to do,
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we’re going to read, together,
the history of mankind,
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enshrined in you, as a human being.
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This is not rhetoric,
this is not a verbal explosion,
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but a serious factor
we’re deeply concerned with,
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a fact which we deny, because
we think we are so individualistic,
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we are so concerned with ourselves,
with our petty little problems,
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with our little gurus,
with our little beliefs.
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But when you realise
an extraordinary fact,
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then it gives you tremendous strength,
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a great urgency to investigate
and transform oneself
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because you are mankind.
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And, when there is
such transformation,
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you affect
the whole consciousness of man.
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I don’t know if you realise this.
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You actually affect
the whole consciousness of man
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because you are the entire humanity,
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and, when you change,
fundamentally, deeply,
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when there is
psychological revolution in you,
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then, naturally, as you are part
of that consciousness of a human being
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which is the rest of the humanity,
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the consciousness of the world
is affected.
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You see the reason of this,
the logic of this?
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Your consciousness is affected
by the various prophets,
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the various warmongers:
Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin,
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you know, all these people
have affected mankind,
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but we’re not aware of it.
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And, what we’re going to do together,
during these talks,
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is to penetrate
the layers of our consciousness,
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and investigate whether it is possible
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to transform the content
of our consciousness
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and out of that, a different dimension
of energy and clarity
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may come into being.
That’s what we’re concerned with,
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and therefore it’s a serious matter,
not to be played with.
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If you’re not interested,
if you are not serious,
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don’t waste your time coming here.
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It’s a waste of your energy,
and I really mean it,
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because this is very,
very, very serious,
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and it is voluntary, not a thing
that you are persuaded or rewarded,
-
because our conditioning
is reward and punishment.
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But, in investigating
our consciousness,
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which is the entire
consciousness of mankind,
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we are delving into ourselves,
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and from there discover,
come upon what is truth.
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Having laid that, said all that,
which is necessary,
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which is, probably,
one of the most important things,
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which is the first step
and, therefore, the last step,
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let us begin by investigating
what human beings demand,
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what human beings basically,
fundamentally, inwardly demand, ask.
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Which is, what is it that,
as a human being,
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who is the representative
of the world,
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and therefore he is the world
– psychologically –
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what is the most, innermost demand
of such a human being?
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Don’t answer me, please.
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This is a question we have put, so
that we can think about it together.
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Most human beings,
in one part of their consciousness,
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want to find both biological,
physiological,
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as well as psychological security.
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Because you must have food,
clothes and shelter.
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That’s an absolute necessity.
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But also, we want,
we demand, we crave,
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we search for psychological security.
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To be psychologically certain
about everything.
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Look into yourself, observe,
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use the speaker,
if I may point out, as a mirror.
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The words which he’s using
are merely description,
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but the description
is not the described.
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Right? Therefore,
you are looking at yourself
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and finding out what is
the innermost demand that you want,
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that human beings want.
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And this whole struggle in the world,
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both psychologically,
as well as physiologically,
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is to find security.
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No?
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The word ‘security’
means to be secure,
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your physical permanency,
physically to be well,
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physically to continue,
advance, grow, whatever it is
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– and psychologically, inwardly,
to find security,
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to find something that is permanent,
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because everything, psychologically,
if you observe very carefully,
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is very impermanent.
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Your relationships, psychologically,
are terribly uncertain.
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You may be temporarily secure
in your relationship with another,
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man, woman and all the rest of it,
temporarily.
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But that very temporary security
is the very danger
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of it being, becoming,
completely insecure.
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Do please examine it. Don’t accept it.
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We are thinking over, together,
we are reasoning.
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To see the logic, the reason,
the sanity of it,
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not because the speaker asserts it,
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not because he has some
beastly reputation,
-
because all those things
are irrelevant
-
when you are really going
into something very, very serious.
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So, one asks, is there any security,
psychologically, at all?
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That is, one seeks
psychological security in the family.
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We’ll go step by step into it
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– in the family, the family being
the wife, the children.
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There you try to find in the wife,
a relationship that will be secure,
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lasting, permanent,
permanent being relatively,
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because there is always death.
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And, not always finding it,
there are divorces, quarrels
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and all the misery, jealousies,
anger, hatred that goes on.
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You must be aware of all this,
aren’t you?
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And also, one tries to find
security in a community,
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with a group of people,
with the communes, large or small.
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One tries to find security
in the world, a nation.
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I’m an American, I’m a Hindu,
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that gives a tremendous sense
of being identified with a group
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and, therefore, secure.
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Do, please, as we said,
listen to it, not reject it.
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There may be reason behind it,
or there might not,
-
but a serious man examines,
doesn’t reject or accept.
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And so, when you try to find
security psychologically in a nation,
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and, therefore, that nation
is different from another nation,
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naturally, there is division
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and, where there is division
between nations,
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in which you have invested,
psychologically, your security,
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there are wars, there are
economic pressures, divisions.
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That’s what is actually
going on in the world. Right?
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And, if you seek security
in ideologies
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– communist ideology, the capitalist
ideology, religious ideologies,
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conclusions, images, crosses and all
the rest of it, all over the world,
-
again, that is divisive,
there is division.
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You believe in one set of ideals
which you like,
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which give you comfort,
in which you seek security,
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with a group of people who believe
the same kind of nonsense.
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And another group
believe in other things,
-
and the same thing
– people are divided.
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Religions have divided people.
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The Christians, the Buddhists,
the Hindus, the Muslims,
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you know, the Baptists, divide,
again they’re at each other,
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each believing something
extraordinary, romantic,
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which is unrealistic,
unreal, not factual.
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So, seeing all this, not as a theory,
not as something to be avoided
-
or becoming supercilious
or intellectual,
-
or being attached emotionally,
-
but seeing all this, very clearly,
-
one asks, is there
psychological security at all?
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Right? You understand my question?
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And, if there is no psychological
security, then what is a human being?
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It becomes a chaos.
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Right? He loses his identity,
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because he’s identified with America,
he’s identified with Jesus,
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he’s identified with the Buddha,
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he’s identified with a nation
and so on and so on.
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When reason, logic, says
how absurd all this is!
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Then does one go into despair or
– please listen to this –
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or, because you have observed the
fallacy of these divisive processes,
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the unreality of these fictions,
myths, fantasies which have no basis,
-
and the very perception of that,
-
is that not intelligence?
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Right? You understand...?
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Not the intelligence
of a clever, cunning mind,
-
not the intelligence
of book knowledge,
-
but the intelligence which comes
out of clear observation.
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Right?
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In that observation, which brings
about extraordinary intelligence,
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there is security,
-
therefore, that means
that very intelligence is secure.
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Have you understood this?
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No, please, you must have it,
not agree with me,
-
or say, ‘Yes, how extraordinary,
I didn’t think of that before,’
-
but it must be part of you,
it must be you that are finding it,
-
not me that have found it and tell you
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and therefore you accept it
or reject it.
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You see the difference?
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As we said at the beginning,
I’m not out to,
-
the speaker is not out
to convince you of anything
-
I’m not a propagandist –
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I don’t want you to think as I think,
because I don’t think at all.
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And I mean it.
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We’ll go into that later on,
because that is an extraordinary fact,
-
the capacity
to observe without thought,
-
therefore, in that observation,
have a tremendous insight,
-
and that insight
is supreme intelligence,
-
and that intelligence acts
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– which we’ll go into,
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when we are discussing the whole
structure and the nature of thought.
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But, as most of us
will not let go, will not,
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are so frightened to let go
and not finding security.
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You understand? I can let go,
-
one can let go being a Catholic,
Protestant, Communist,
-
all the rest of that nonsense,
very easily.
-
But, when you do let go,
when you cleanse yourself of all this,
-
either you do it as a reaction,
-
or you do it because you have
observed, intelligently, holistically,
-
with great clarity,
-
the absurdity, the fantasies,
the make-believes.
-
And, because you observe
without any distortion,
-
because you’re not out
to get something from it
-
because you’re not thinking
in terms of punishment and reward,
-
because you observe very clearly,
-
then that very clarity of perception
is intelligence.
-
In that
there is extraordinary security,
-
not that you become secure,
but intelligence is secure.
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Are we meeting each other?
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Is there a communication
between each other?
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Or is it merely
a verbal communication?
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Communication verbally is necessary,
to use the correct word
-
and, unfortunately, in America
the correct word is not being used
-
– they use any old, sloppy word
and think they convey.
-
But we’re using correct words.
-
And communication implies
not only the usage
-
and the comprehension on both sides,
-
the meaning and the significance
of the word, correctly,
-
but also it implies that we share,
share what is being said,
-
which is the responsibility
of sharing, partaking together.
-
So, we are not merely
communicating verbally,
-
but also deeply sharing the fact:
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the fact being, the absolute fact,
not relative fact,
-
the absolute fact
that there is no security
-
in anything that man has invented,
psychologically.
-
All our religions are inventions,
put together by thought.
-
All our divisive endeavours,
-
which come about when there are
beliefs, dogmas, rituals,
-
which is the whole
substance of religion,
-
when you see all this very clearly,
not as an idea, but as a fact,
-
then that very fact reveals the
extraordinary quality of intelligence,
-
in which there is complete,
whole security. Right?
-
I hope you see this fact
of intelligence now, not tomorrow.
-
Don’t go home and say,
‘I’ll think it over.’
-
When you think it over tomorrow,
you’ve already distorted it.
-
But we are thinking, together, now,
-
using our reason,
our capacity to think clearly.
-
So, communication of the fact
between you and the speaker is now,
-
not eventually,
not when it’s convenient for you.
-
Then you have lost time,
you have wasted days and months.
-
You don’t do that
when the house is on fire, you do act.
-
So, when you are concerned, as we are,
I hope, all of us together,
-
when you are concerned, deeply,
with the transformation of man,
-
because man must radically transform
-
– when I use the word ‘man,’
I’m also including the woman.
-
We are not talking about
equal rights, women and men,
-
the Women’s Liberation, and all that.
-
We are talking,
when we say ‘man,’ man – woman.
-
So, please, forgive
if I use that word ‘man.’
-
Don’t write me letters, say,
‘Why don’t you also use ‘woman’?’
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As it has been done –
-
which means
they are not really listening,
-
which means they are not,
they are still thinking partially.
-
We are thinking together,
holistically, as a whole,
-
not you and I, separate human beings,
thinking together,
-
we are looking at something, together.
-
You know, when you feel
that we are doing something together
-
there’s a great deal of care,
there’s a great deal of attention,
-
there’s a great sense
of sympathy, affection.
-
And I’m using that word
in all that sense – together.
-
So, in our consciousness,
one of the factors
-
is this demand and the search
for psychological security.
-
And, when we are seeking
psychological security in nations,
-
in beliefs, in gurus, in books,
in ideas and so on, in leaders,
-
then because it brings about division,
-
therefore, physiologically,
there are divisions
-
– Hindu, Buddhist,
different nation, Englishman,
-
American, Dutch, German,
you know – division.
-
And, therefore, when there is
psychological attachment
-
to a belief, to a nation,
-
there is insecurity, physiologically.
You understand, sir?
-
Isn’t that so? Isn’t that a fact?
-
When I’m attached to India – I’m not –
-
when I’m attached to India and all
that nonsense which represents India,
-
just the image, the romanticism,
you know, all that bilge
-
– so, when I’m attached to that,
-
I separate myself from the rest
of the world, psychologically,
-
and, therefore,
division invariably brings conflict.
-
When there is division between
man and woman – you understand?
-
You are married,
you’ve got all this misery in you.
-
When there is division,
there must be conflict, inevitably.
-
That’s an absolute law.
-
And this division is brought about
-
by the attachment
to psychological ideas.
-
Therefore, there is poverty,
-
degradation, wars,
terror in the world,
-
the world is becoming
a dangerous place to live.
-
So, is it possible then,
for a human being,
-
you, who are the world
-
– please, that is the central issue
in this matter –
-
you are the world
and the world is you.
-
And the world out there
and out here, inside,
-
traditionally,
has been conditioned to be a fragment
-
– you understand?
-
A fragment – American fragment,
Indian fragment and so on,
-
Catholic fragment – therefore,
outwardly there is no peace.
-
Right?
-
And man cannot exist without peace,
he cannot create,
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he cannot have affection,
he cannot have compassion, love.
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All right? Shall I go on?
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So, part of this consciousness of man
is the fact of the search
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and the demand and the attachment
to a fragment,
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in which he hopes to find security.
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And to transform that fragment,
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in which man has invested,
hoping to find security,
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to completely transform that,
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can only come about
when there is intelligence,
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intelligence which is perception.
I went into that.
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Right? Right, sir? Do you see it?
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And is there now, not tomorrow,
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not when you go home and
think about it – then you’re lost –
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is there now,
as you’re sitting there, listening,
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using your reason, capacity, energy,
affection, care, and attention,
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is there that transformation
taking place?
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Right, sir?
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If not, you’re not listening,
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you’re not exercising
your capacity to think clearly.
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Or you’re caught in verbal images
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or in a symbol
to which you are attached,
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because, if you let go that symbol,
you’re frightened
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and, therefore, you’re lonely
and all that begins.
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We’ll discuss fear later on.
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But, as we are listening together,
reasoning together,
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gathering our energies,
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is there that transformation,
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which is the freedom, complete freedom
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from trying to find security
in a fragment?
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You understand?
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Is there freedom?
Please ask it, demand it,
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because we’re going to go
into very complex matters.
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This is only just the beginning of it,
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because we’re going to, together
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go into this whole problem
of what is consciousness,
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and the content of consciousness.
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Without the content,
there is no consciousness. Right?
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You haven’t thought
about these matters.
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Because part of the content of your
consciousness, human consciousness,
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is this demand for security. Right?
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Security in God, which again
is a word, a symbol, a belief,
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security in a nation, security
in a group, security in a commune,
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security in the wife, the children,
security in ideas, you know.
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That’s part of our consciousness.
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That consciousness
has been put together
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through millennia upon millennia,
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which we call ‘evolution.’
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A fragment cannot evolve,
it will always remain a fragment.
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I wonder if you see this.
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A fragment cannot become the whole.
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So... What time is it, if I may ask?
Audience: Five to twelve.
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K: You mean to say
I’ve talked an hour and a half?
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A: No, an hour.
K: Ah, an hour. Right.
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Can you bear some more of it?
A: Yes.
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K: No, I’m not at all sure. Please...
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Because if you have listened
for an hour,
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with great care, with attention,
with sustained affection,
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do you know what that means?
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Then you are the universe.
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No, madam, no questions now.
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We’ll discuss these things...
on Tuesday.
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So, part of our consciousness,
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which is the human consciousness
of the world,
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a fragment of that consciousness
is the demand and the search
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for psychological security.
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And that’s one of the fragments
of the content of our consciousness.
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Therefore, the content
makes for consciousness.
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See the truth of it, the reason of it.
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Part of one’s consciousness says,
‘I am an American,
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I am a Buddhist,
I am this, I am that.’
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Or I’ve identified myself
with something or other.
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And this identification is the demand
or the desire to find security
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– that security,
either temporarily or permanently.
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There is no permanent security.
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And if there is temporary security,
then that leads to havoc,
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as we pointed out.
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So, can you,
as you have listened for an hour,
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with your heart and mind,
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can you actually be aware
of the fact that you’re free of it?
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If you’re not, either you haven’t
exercised your capacity to reason
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or to listen to somebody who says,
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‘Do please, for God’s sake,
look at this.’
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And you won’t look.
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And if you don’t look,
nobody’s going to persuade you,
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certainly not the speaker.
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Persuasion, propaganda, threats,
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offering you reward or punishment
will never help you to look.
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If you look under compulsion,
it is distorted.
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So can you, as a human being,
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after talking over together,
for an hour,
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see this extraordinary fact
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and, seeing the fact
and the reality of it,
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free part of that consciousness
of the fragment
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which is the demand,
the search for security?
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Therefore, the mind then becomes
extraordinarily awakened.
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You understand?
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It can then
go into the problem of fear
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– which we will tomorrow
and so on –
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into the enormous content
of our consciousness.
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And, ultimately, the question is:
can the content be completely emptied?
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You understand, sir?
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Emptied so that –
empty, not something else.
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That means, reward.
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So, we’ll stop today,
if you don’t mind,
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because we’ve talked for an hour,
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and to listen for an hour about
serious things is quite difficult
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– probably you’re not used
to this kind of thing.
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I can go on but not you.
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So, if you don’t mind, we’ll stop
and meet again tomorrow morning.