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Echolocation or the science of seeing with sound | Daniel Kish | TEDxObserver

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    Oh, their American accent
    sounds so out of place here!
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    (Laughter)
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    I am going to set my own timepiece
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    because I can't see
    the timepiece they have up here.
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    So I have a Braille PDA here
    that I'm just going to set.
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    And there we are.
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    And I'll even look at it
    from time to time.
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    When they first invited me here,
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    they asked if I would need
    help up the stage,
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    up the stairs to the stage,
    and after what you've just seen,
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    I think that would have
    been quite unfitting.
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    (Laughter)
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    And about this timepiece, they also asked
    how I would be able to keep track of time.
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    That was a good question!
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    This is how I do it.
    It's a Braille timepiece.
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    It basically just kind of counts off
    the seconds as we go.
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    You call it "a timer" here.
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    In the States, we call it
    a "confidence monitor"
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    (Laughter)
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    Now what could inspire less confidence
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    than watching your time
    takeaway second by second,
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    especially when they only gave you
    12 minutes to sell your life story.
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    So how do I find my way?
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    Well, that's easy. That's very easy!
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    You heard me clicking.
    They explained that it was a sonar.
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    The sonar is very much a concept
    that we're all familiar with.
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    Bats use it. Dolphins use it.
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    And submarine technicians use it.
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    So that part is easy, I click.
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    Click ... Click ... Click.
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    That essentially asks
    two questions of the environment.
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    It's a "sonar call".
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    Scientists call it a "call" or they'll say
    that I'm interrogating the environment.
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    The two questions are:
    "where are you?" and "what are you?"
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    So those are the two key questions
    embedded in every click.
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    (Click)
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    The more clearly
    we can ask those questions,
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    the more clearly will
    the environment respond.
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    Now that pretty much answers the question
    "how do I know where I'm going?"
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    If that was all to the story,
    I could step off stage right now
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    and be done with plenty of time to spare,
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    but would you feel ... satisfied?
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    Would you feel edified if I did that?
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    Not so much!
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    So the real question
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    is "What is the point?
    What is the purpose of all of this?"
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    If I were the only person who could
    flap my arms and fly to the moon,
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    would it matter?
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    Really, I've been all over the world.
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    They flew me out from Los Angeles
    yesterday, I arrived yesterday.
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    I was in the States for three days,
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    back from a seven week tour of Queensland
    and New South Wales Australia.
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    Prior to that, I was in Austria,
    Germany, Romania and Holland.
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    I've been to over,
    well nearly 25 different countries,
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    half a dozen of them
    in the last few months.
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    Why?
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    What would my claim to fame really be?
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    So why don't we go ahead
    and show the first clip.
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    I have a clicker, just in case
    no one's paying attention back there.
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    (Laughter) Okay.
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    (Video) (Clicks)
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    Lucas: Yeah!
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    (Applause)
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    Okay.
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    That's not really my claim to fame.
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    (Laughing) I did not teach this young boy
    how to play basketball.
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    I can't play basketball
    myself - it's worth rubbish -
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    but I taught him how to find the basket.
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    I taught him how to find his way around.
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    You heard him clicking.
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    I have developed means
    of teaching people
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    how to find freedom in their lives.
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    The focus is on blind individuals,
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    but we're all blind
    in one way or another.
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    We could all use a bit
    of direction, myself included,
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    in how to find more freedom in our lives.
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    Now this young boy's name is Lucas.
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    Lucas was perhaps seven
    or eight at the most,
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    when this film was taken.
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    His parents contacted me
    when he was four years old.
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    They wanted their son who was born blind
    to have more freedom in his life.
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    He would not let go
    of someone's hand, okay?
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    He would trail walls, kind of feel his way
    through his environment,
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    but that was about the extent
    of his freedom at that time.
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    His parents wanted something simple.
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    At first, they wanted him to have a cane.
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    I've got a cane, you saw me
    come up the stairs with it.
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    You saw me using it coming
    onto the stage. A cane is a great stuff.
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    It will help find things, okay,
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    that would not be possible
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    or certainly would not
    be comfortable without one.
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    So they could not get
    the local authorities
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    to teach him how to use a cane.
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    They couldn't even get the local
    authorities to provide him with a cane -
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    well, eventually they did
    but not to teach him.
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    I'll use the UK as an example,
    but this is happening all over the world.
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    In most parts of the world,
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    blind children aren't even
    provided with a cane
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    until their; say, eight years old.
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    What is provided in some cases
    prior to the age of eight
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    is what I call "dependency conditioning,"
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    systematically training
    our blind individuals
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    how to be dependent on others
    either to guide them
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    or to modify the environment
    to be "blind friendly."
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    That is not the kind
    of world that we live in, okay.
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    So the first thing I did
    was I taught Lucas
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    some very simple,
    very straightforward techniques
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    of how to use a cane.
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    Everyone humor me for a moment,
    close your eyes please.
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    Close your eyes
    for just a moment, everyone.
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    Now assuming that you tried
    to open your eyes and couldn't -
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    don't open your eyes -
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    assuming that you tried to open
    your eyes and couldn't, okay,
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    the lights are out, your eyes won't open,
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    but eventually you need
    to find your way out of here, okay,
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    something's got to happen for you to move,
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    something's got to happen
    for you to start to lead your life.
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    So on a scale of zero to ten -
    zero being not at all -
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    just think about this:
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    how confident would you feel
    to move around your environment?
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    How confident would you feel
    to be able to get up out of your seat
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    and start finding your way
    toward the door?
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    Okay?
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    Probably most of you fall
    somewhere between zero and three.
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    Very few of you would probably
    be thinking three, okay.
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    Some of you might know
    the place better than others.
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    But imagine now, keeping your eyes closed,
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    imagine now you suddenly had a stick,
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    something no more
    complicated than a stick.
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    Would you feel more confident?
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    Would you feel more comfortable
    being able to get up
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    and safely find your way toward the door?
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    Raise your hand if you would,
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    if you feel like you'd feel
    more comfortable.
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    Okay, let's see ...
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    (Clicks of the tongue)
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    (Laughter)
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    I heard a bunch of hands go up, okay.
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    (Laughter)
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    All right, it's that simple.
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    The use of something
    as simple as a stick
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    which actually does have some technique
    to it, some training behind it
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    but it's very simple and yet,
    that simple sense of safety,
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    that simple sense of taking
    ownership of our environment,
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    is not being provided
    to our young blind children.
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    Okay, now let me give you
    just a quick example
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    of a more sophisticated system
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    that works in addition to
    the very simple system of the long cane.
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    I will use a flat panel
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    that I just happen to have in my backpack.
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    Okay, this isn't an advert for Apple.
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    It just happens to be
    what I have available.
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    I'm going to turn my back
    on the audience.
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    I know that's a no-no,
    but it's got to happen.
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    If we all close our eyes again, please,
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    I'm going to give a couple of very simple
    demonstrations, very simple,
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    of a system that allows
    for the kinds of freedom
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    that we are able to make
    available for students.
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    So I'm going to make a "shhh" sound.
    It's going to be regular and consistent.
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    And I'm going to pass this "panel"
    I'll call it, in front of my face,
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    so you'll hear it going by. Listen!
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    ("Shhh" sound)
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    Okay, now if you open your eyes
    for just a moment,
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    this is all I was doing.
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    So Lucas can learn very simply
    to use the click of his tongue.
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    Click, click, click,
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    he's asking the back board
    of the basket "Where are you?"
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    He can detect its edges ...
    shhh ... and its surface,
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    and that's what he's learned
    to aim for. It's that simple.
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    Now how does he know
    how far he is away?
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    So close your eyes again, please,
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    and I'll do the same
    "shhh" sound ... shhh ...
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    ... but I'm going to move this panel
    toward me and away from me,
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    and you'll hear the change
    of the sound as I do so.
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    ("Shhh" sound)
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    Okay, so you can open your eyes.
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    Same deal!
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    Lucas can hear where the backboard
    is relative to his position
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    both by listening for
    the position left-right wise
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    and also by listening to its distance.
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    If I'm riding a bicycle and I'm coming up
    to say a large solid object
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    or maybe even not so large
    of a solid object,
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    I hear that "shhh" coming.
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    The only difference is
    that I'm clicking instead of shushing,
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    but the the effect
    is essentially the same.
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    Okay.
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    Our interest is in making this available
    for blind people everywhere,
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    and also making the point
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    that if blind people can find
    their way through life
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    by using a method such as this,
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    then any of us can look at our own lives,
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    look at the darkness
    that occurs in all of our lives,
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    and ask ourselves what can we do
    to find our way through that darkness
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    because there's always a way.
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    And that for me is really
    the most important lesson
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    of why it is that I'm up here.
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    And John, if you're moseying
    up here on stage,
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    no cue subtle enough will let me
    know that you're there, so ...
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    (Laughter)
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    ... don't even bother!
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    (Cheers) (Applause)
Title:
Echolocation or the science of seeing with sound | Daniel Kish | TEDxObserver
Description:

The brains of people who have been blind since birth or an early age rewire themselves to adapt to the lack of vision, resulting in enhanced compensatory abilities such as a heightened sense of hearing, smell and touch, as well as cognitive functions. The brain can be train to echolocation which is how bats and beluga whales can "see". Researchers have found that when echolocators listen to the echoes of the clicks they produce with their tongue, the part of the brain normally used to see lights up.

At one year old, Daniel was diagnosed with a rare cancer called retinoblastoma, which destroys the retinas. At age 14, his eyes were removed in order to save his life. Now 46, Daniel uses sonar vision by sending sound waves from his tongue that bounce off physical objects and allows him to gauge his whereabouts and navigate the world in remarkable ways. He has dedicated himself to teaching this technique that he calls FlashSonar to a new generation of blind children in America and throughout the world, with the organisation "World Access for the Blind" that he has founded in 2000. He has also earn a Master’s degree in Developmental Psychology and another Master’s in Special Education.

This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx

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