Echolocation or the science of seeing with sound | Daniel Kish | TEDxObserver
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0:09 - 0:12Oh, their American accent
sounds so out of place here! -
0:13 - 0:14(Laughter)
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0:17 - 0:21I am going to set my own timepiece
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0:21 - 0:25because I can't see
the timepiece they have up here. -
0:25 - 0:31So I have a Braille PDA here
that I'm just going to set. -
0:31 - 0:34And there we are.
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0:34 - 0:38And I'll even look at it
from time to time. -
0:39 - 0:42When they first invited me here,
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0:42 - 0:46they asked if I would need
help up the stage, -
0:46 - 0:51up the stairs to the stage,
and after what you've just seen, -
0:51 - 0:54I think that would have
been quite unfitting. -
0:54 - 0:56(Laughter)
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0:59 - 1:05And about this timepiece, they also asked
how I would be able to keep track of time. -
1:05 - 1:08That was a good question!
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1:09 - 1:11This is how I do it.
It's a Braille timepiece. -
1:11 - 1:15It basically just kind of counts off
the seconds as we go. -
1:15 - 1:17You call it "a timer" here.
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1:17 - 1:20In the States, we call it
a "confidence monitor" -
1:20 - 1:22(Laughter)
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1:22 - 1:25Now what could inspire less confidence
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1:25 - 1:30than watching your time
takeaway second by second, -
1:30 - 1:35especially when they only gave you
12 minutes to sell your life story. -
1:35 - 1:39So how do I find my way?
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1:39 - 1:43Well, that's easy. That's very easy!
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1:44 - 1:47You heard me clicking.
They explained that it was a sonar. -
1:47 - 1:50The sonar is very much a concept
that we're all familiar with. -
1:50 - 1:53Bats use it. Dolphins use it.
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1:54 - 1:57And submarine technicians use it.
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1:57 - 1:59So that part is easy, I click.
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1:59 - 2:02Click ... Click ... Click.
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2:02 - 2:05That essentially asks
two questions of the environment. -
2:05 - 2:06It's a "sonar call".
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2:06 - 2:11Scientists call it a "call" or they'll say
that I'm interrogating the environment. -
2:12 - 2:18The two questions are:
"where are you?" and "what are you?" -
2:18 - 2:22So those are the two key questions
embedded in every click. -
2:22 - 2:24(Click)
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2:24 - 2:29The more clearly
we can ask those questions, -
2:30 - 2:33the more clearly will
the environment respond. -
2:34 - 2:38Now that pretty much answers the question
"how do I know where I'm going?" -
2:38 - 2:43If that was all to the story,
I could step off stage right now -
2:43 - 2:47and be done with plenty of time to spare,
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2:47 - 2:51but would you feel ... satisfied?
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2:51 - 2:54Would you feel edified if I did that?
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2:55 - 2:57Not so much!
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2:57 - 3:01So the real question
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3:01 - 3:07is "What is the point?
What is the purpose of all of this?" -
3:07 - 3:12If I were the only person who could
flap my arms and fly to the moon, -
3:12 - 3:14would it matter?
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3:14 - 3:20Really, I've been all over the world.
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3:20 - 3:25They flew me out from Los Angeles
yesterday, I arrived yesterday. -
3:26 - 3:30I was in the States for three days,
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3:30 - 3:35back from a seven week tour of Queensland
and New South Wales Australia. -
3:35 - 3:41Prior to that, I was in Austria,
Germany, Romania and Holland. -
3:42 - 3:46I've been to over,
well nearly 25 different countries, -
3:46 - 3:49half a dozen of them
in the last few months. -
3:50 - 3:52Why?
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3:52 - 3:56What would my claim to fame really be?
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3:56 - 4:01So why don't we go ahead
and show the first clip. -
4:02 - 4:05I have a clicker, just in case
no one's paying attention back there. -
4:05 - 4:07(Laughter) Okay.
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4:12 - 4:14(Video) (Clicks)
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4:23 - 4:25Lucas: Yeah!
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4:25 - 4:27(Applause)
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4:34 - 4:36Okay.
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4:36 - 4:39That's not really my claim to fame.
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4:39 - 4:42(Laughing) I did not teach this young boy
how to play basketball. -
4:42 - 4:45I can't play basketball
myself - it's worth rubbish - -
4:46 - 4:50but I taught him how to find the basket.
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4:50 - 4:53I taught him how to find his way around.
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4:53 - 4:55You heard him clicking.
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4:56 - 5:02I have developed means
of teaching people -
5:02 - 5:05how to find freedom in their lives.
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5:05 - 5:07The focus is on blind individuals,
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5:07 - 5:09but we're all blind
in one way or another. -
5:09 - 5:13We could all use a bit
of direction, myself included, -
5:13 - 5:18in how to find more freedom in our lives.
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5:18 - 5:21Now this young boy's name is Lucas.
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5:22 - 5:25Lucas was perhaps seven
or eight at the most, -
5:25 - 5:28when this film was taken.
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5:28 - 5:33His parents contacted me
when he was four years old. -
5:34 - 5:39They wanted their son who was born blind
to have more freedom in his life. -
5:39 - 5:43He would not let go
of someone's hand, okay? -
5:44 - 5:48He would trail walls, kind of feel his way
through his environment, -
5:48 - 5:53but that was about the extent
of his freedom at that time. -
5:53 - 5:55His parents wanted something simple.
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5:55 - 5:57At first, they wanted him to have a cane.
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5:57 - 6:00I've got a cane, you saw me
come up the stairs with it. -
6:00 - 6:04You saw me using it coming
onto the stage. A cane is a great stuff. -
6:04 - 6:08It will help find things, okay,
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6:08 - 6:12that would not be possible
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6:12 - 6:17or certainly would not
be comfortable without one. -
6:17 - 6:21So they could not get
the local authorities -
6:21 - 6:23to teach him how to use a cane.
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6:23 - 6:26They couldn't even get the local
authorities to provide him with a cane - -
6:26 - 6:30well, eventually they did
but not to teach him. -
6:30 - 6:34I'll use the UK as an example,
but this is happening all over the world. -
6:34 - 6:36In most parts of the world,
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6:36 - 6:39blind children aren't even
provided with a cane -
6:39 - 6:42until their; say, eight years old.
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6:44 - 6:47What is provided in some cases
prior to the age of eight -
6:47 - 6:50is what I call "dependency conditioning,"
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6:50 - 6:54systematically training
our blind individuals -
6:54 - 6:58how to be dependent on others
either to guide them -
6:58 - 7:03or to modify the environment
to be "blind friendly." -
7:03 - 7:07That is not the kind
of world that we live in, okay. -
7:07 - 7:09So the first thing I did
was I taught Lucas -
7:09 - 7:12some very simple,
very straightforward techniques -
7:12 - 7:14of how to use a cane.
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7:15 - 7:19Everyone humor me for a moment,
close your eyes please. -
7:20 - 7:24Close your eyes
for just a moment, everyone. -
7:24 - 7:31Now assuming that you tried
to open your eyes and couldn't - -
7:31 - 7:33don't open your eyes -
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7:33 - 7:37assuming that you tried to open
your eyes and couldn't, okay, -
7:37 - 7:40the lights are out, your eyes won't open,
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7:43 - 7:47but eventually you need
to find your way out of here, okay, -
7:47 - 7:50something's got to happen for you to move,
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7:50 - 7:54something's got to happen
for you to start to lead your life. -
7:55 - 8:01So on a scale of zero to ten -
zero being not at all - -
8:01 - 8:03just think about this:
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8:03 - 8:08how confident would you feel
to move around your environment? -
8:08 - 8:12How confident would you feel
to be able to get up out of your seat -
8:12 - 8:15and start finding your way
toward the door? -
8:16 - 8:18Okay?
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8:18 - 8:22Probably most of you fall
somewhere between zero and three. -
8:22 - 8:27Very few of you would probably
be thinking three, okay. -
8:28 - 8:31Some of you might know
the place better than others. -
8:31 - 8:34But imagine now, keeping your eyes closed,
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8:34 - 8:39imagine now you suddenly had a stick,
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8:40 - 8:44something no more
complicated than a stick. -
8:45 - 8:47Would you feel more confident?
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8:47 - 8:51Would you feel more comfortable
being able to get up -
8:51 - 8:54and safely find your way toward the door?
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8:54 - 8:56Raise your hand if you would,
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8:56 - 8:59if you feel like you'd feel
more comfortable. -
9:00 - 9:01Okay, let's see ...
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9:01 - 9:03(Clicks of the tongue)
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9:03 - 9:05(Laughter)
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9:06 - 9:08I heard a bunch of hands go up, okay.
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9:08 - 9:10(Laughter)
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9:10 - 9:13All right, it's that simple.
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9:14 - 9:18The use of something
as simple as a stick -
9:18 - 9:23which actually does have some technique
to it, some training behind it -
9:23 - 9:28but it's very simple and yet,
that simple sense of safety, -
9:28 - 9:31that simple sense of taking
ownership of our environment, -
9:31 - 9:36is not being provided
to our young blind children. -
9:37 - 9:42Okay, now let me give you
just a quick example -
9:42 - 9:45of a more sophisticated system
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9:45 - 9:51that works in addition to
the very simple system of the long cane. -
9:51 - 9:56I will use a flat panel
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9:58 - 10:01that I just happen to have in my backpack.
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10:02 - 10:05Okay, this isn't an advert for Apple.
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10:05 - 10:07It just happens to be
what I have available. -
10:08 - 10:10I'm going to turn my back
on the audience. -
10:10 - 10:12I know that's a no-no,
but it's got to happen. -
10:12 - 10:15If we all close our eyes again, please,
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10:15 - 10:20I'm going to give a couple of very simple
demonstrations, very simple, -
10:20 - 10:25of a system that allows
for the kinds of freedom -
10:25 - 10:29that we are able to make
available for students. -
10:29 - 10:36So I'm going to make a "shhh" sound.
It's going to be regular and consistent. -
10:36 - 10:40And I'm going to pass this "panel"
I'll call it, in front of my face, -
10:40 - 10:43so you'll hear it going by. Listen!
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10:43 - 10:45("Shhh" sound)
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10:53 - 10:56Okay, now if you open your eyes
for just a moment, -
10:56 - 10:58this is all I was doing.
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10:59 - 11:02So Lucas can learn very simply
to use the click of his tongue. -
11:02 - 11:04Click, click, click,
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11:04 - 11:07he's asking the back board
of the basket "Where are you?" -
11:07 - 11:11He can detect its edges ...
shhh ... and its surface, -
11:11 - 11:15and that's what he's learned
to aim for. It's that simple. -
11:15 - 11:18Now how does he know
how far he is away? -
11:18 - 11:22So close your eyes again, please,
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11:22 - 11:28and I'll do the same
"shhh" sound ... shhh ... -
11:28 - 11:32... but I'm going to move this panel
toward me and away from me, -
11:32 - 11:37and you'll hear the change
of the sound as I do so. -
11:37 - 11:40("Shhh" sound)
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11:51 - 11:54Okay, so you can open your eyes.
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11:54 - 11:55Same deal!
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11:55 - 12:01Lucas can hear where the backboard
is relative to his position -
12:02 - 12:07both by listening for
the position left-right wise -
12:07 - 12:09and also by listening to its distance.
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12:09 - 12:14If I'm riding a bicycle and I'm coming up
to say a large solid object -
12:14 - 12:17or maybe even not so large
of a solid object, -
12:17 - 12:21I hear that "shhh" coming.
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12:22 - 12:24The only difference is
that I'm clicking instead of shushing, -
12:24 - 12:27but the the effect
is essentially the same. -
12:28 - 12:30Okay.
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12:30 - 12:36Our interest is in making this available
for blind people everywhere, -
12:37 - 12:42and also making the point
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12:42 - 12:47that if blind people can find
their way through life -
12:47 - 12:51by using a method such as this,
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12:51 - 12:55then any of us can look at our own lives,
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12:55 - 12:59look at the darkness
that occurs in all of our lives, -
12:59 - 13:05and ask ourselves what can we do
to find our way through that darkness -
13:05 - 13:09because there's always a way.
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13:09 - 13:12And that for me is really
the most important lesson -
13:12 - 13:15of why it is that I'm up here.
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13:15 - 13:18And John, if you're moseying
up here on stage, -
13:18 - 13:21no cue subtle enough will let me
know that you're there, so ... -
13:21 - 13:23(Laughter)
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13:23 - 13:24... don't even bother!
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13:25 - 13:27(Cheers) (Applause)
- Title:
- Echolocation or the science of seeing with sound | Daniel Kish | TEDxObserver
- Description:
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The brains of people who have been blind since birth or an early age rewire themselves to adapt to the lack of vision, resulting in enhanced compensatory abilities such as a heightened sense of hearing, smell and touch, as well as cognitive functions. The brain can be train to echolocation which is how bats and beluga whales can "see". Researchers have found that when echolocators listen to the echoes of the clicks they produce with their tongue, the part of the brain normally used to see lights up.
At one year old, Daniel was diagnosed with a rare cancer called retinoblastoma, which destroys the retinas. At age 14, his eyes were removed in order to save his life. Now 46, Daniel uses sonar vision by sending sound waves from his tongue that bounce off physical objects and allows him to gauge his whereabouts and navigate the world in remarkable ways. He has dedicated himself to teaching this technique that he calls FlashSonar to a new generation of blind children in America and throughout the world, with the organisation "World Access for the Blind" that he has founded in 2000. He has also earn a Master’s degree in Developmental Psychology and another Master’s in Special Education.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
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- English
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- Duration:
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