Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM
-
0:07 - 0:08Good afternoon.
-
0:11 - 0:15I guess I am the only thing that stands
between you and the lunch, -
0:15 - 0:18so I am going to try and get through this
as quickly as possible. -
0:22 - 0:25My topic today is
"Сan cinema cause social change?" -
0:27 - 0:29I genuinely believe it can;
-
0:29 - 0:33while it may not effect
sweeping social changes, -
0:33 - 0:39it has the power to tell stories
and even plant images in your head. -
0:42 - 0:45Storytelling is something
that's existed since time immemorial, -
0:46 - 0:49and you know that stories have been
-
0:49 - 0:53an extremely important way
of delivering thoughts and ideas. -
0:54 - 0:56History is peppered with examples.
-
0:56 - 1:00You have the Bible, the [Bhagavad] Gita,
Qu'ran, Ramayana. -
1:00 - 1:02These are all great stories.
-
1:02 - 1:06I mean imagine if Krishna
stood on a podium like this -
1:06 - 1:12and told Arjuna what Dharma was;
think Arjuna would have fallen asleep. -
1:13 - 1:16Take it on to the battle of Kurukshetra.
-
1:16 - 1:19You have a blood strewn battlefield.
-
1:19 - 1:22You have brothers fighting each other.
-
1:22 - 1:26You have Arjuna
- a truly cinematic moment - -
1:26 - 1:30putting an arrow into his bow,
being about to unleash it -
1:30 - 1:31overcome by anguish.
-
1:31 - 1:35And boom! We have the concept of Dharma.
-
1:35 - 1:39So, stories have continuously done this,
-
1:39 - 1:43they have used imagery
to get ideas across. -
1:44 - 1:48The difference between cinema and most
of the earlier forms of storytelling -
1:48 - 1:53is very simple:
early forms were a two-step process. -
1:55 - 1:58So, when someone told a story
to another person, -
1:58 - 2:01- which was the earliest form,
a verbal form - -
2:01 - 2:07the listener had to listen and then form
an image in his or her head. -
2:08 - 2:09We moved to books.
-
2:09 - 2:12I see Ravi there;
that's what he does for a living. -
2:12 - 2:17He puts words on a page,
a reader reads it, forms an image. -
2:17 - 2:21Drama took it one step further:
tried to eliminate some of those things, -
2:21 - 2:24but still, the person had to
visualize the place. -
2:24 - 2:26And finally came movies.
-
2:26 - 2:28Today, as we know it, by and large,
-
2:28 - 2:32it's the most important
form of storytelling, -
2:32 - 2:36because it works
with the way our brain is wired. -
2:36 - 2:39We like images, we think in images;
off the ground. -
2:39 - 2:44But "Dor", again, tried to do the thing
-
2:44 - 2:46of breaking the Bollywood portrayal
of strong women, -
2:46 - 2:50which is to portray them
as these shrill, screaming vixens -
2:50 - 2:56standing and screaming
at the injustice perpetrated by society. -
2:56 - 2:59And it is ironic,
because they were reinforcing -
2:59 - 3:03the same gender inequality
that they were fighting against. -
3:04 - 3:07And with "Dor", again,
it was a very humbling experience -
3:07 - 3:10because of the offshoots that it had.
-
3:10 - 3:12My most memorable one
-
3:12 - 3:18was the fact that when the film screened
at the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C., -
3:18 - 3:23this tear-eyed woman
walked up to me and said, -
3:23 - 3:27"That's the most beautiful
lesbian love story that I've ever seen." -
3:27 - 3:28(Laughter)
-
3:28 - 3:32I am serious.
And I took that as a compliment. -
3:32 - 3:34Again, never intended.
-
3:34 - 3:38But you know, people read
what they want from a film. -
3:40 - 3:43Finally, it brings me to "Lakshmi".
-
3:45 - 3:51With "Lakshmi"
I actually had a very specific agenda, -
3:51 - 3:53no matter how many times I've said
-
3:53 - 3:57"Entertainment first,
story first, message later." -
3:57 - 4:02With "Lakshmi" I actually tried
to approach it from the reverse. -
4:02 - 4:04Once again, the reason is deliberate:
-
4:04 - 4:09to sort of jolt the audiences
from the comfort of their homes -
4:09 - 4:12and actually take them to places
where they haven't been. -
4:14 - 4:16About three and a half years ago,
-
4:16 - 4:21I was invited by Plan India
to talk at some conference, -
4:21 - 4:23which I really didn't know much about,
-
4:23 - 4:26but most of the times, we're called
-
4:26 - 4:31and just before we go on stage
we are given a little briefing sheet -
4:31 - 4:35and for these 10 minutes, we pretend
to be intelligent about the topic at hand. -
4:35 - 4:41And this was one such occasion,
so I was doing my little bit, I went; -
4:42 - 4:45they were asking for some parliament
to pass some bills. -
4:45 - 4:47So I went, I did my little bit,
-
4:47 - 4:50and when I left, I met
this rather interesting gentleman -
4:50 - 4:52and we got talking.
-
4:52 - 4:56He said that he ran
a little rescue shelter -
4:56 - 4:59in a small town in Andhra Pradesh.
-
4:59 - 5:03He said, "If you have
some time at some point, -
5:03 - 5:06I'd love for you to come down and visit."
-
5:06 - 5:08And one thing that he told me
-
5:08 - 5:11- an incident that actually
changed his life - -
5:11 - 5:13sort of triggered my interest.
-
5:13 - 5:18He said he was a journalist,
and he was covering one such event, -
5:18 - 5:22- where there was a raid and they picked up
a bunch of these sex workers -
5:22 - 5:23and they were bringing them -
-
5:23 - 5:29and the hate unleashed on them
by the public was so strong -
5:29 - 5:31- from the journalists, from the cops,
-
5:31 - 5:33and from the general public
as they walked - -
5:33 - 5:35that he couldn't fathom
-
5:35 - 5:39how one human being could have
that kind of hate for another -
5:39 - 5:42without actually knowing what they did.
-
5:42 - 5:45You know, he just said this
in broad strokes and he said, -
5:45 - 5:47"When you have the time
I'd love for you to visit." -
5:47 - 5:51So eventually, out of curiosity
more than anything else, -
5:51 - 5:53I went down there.
-
5:53 - 5:58He runs a small rescue shelter
outside Ongole in Andhra Pradhesh, -
5:58 - 6:00and I went there.
-
6:00 - 6:03There were about 45 women,
-
6:03 - 6:07and there were about
25 children in the place. -
6:07 - 6:09So I got talking with these women.
-
6:10 - 6:14And what happened over the next two days
-
6:14 - 6:18was something
that pretty much changed my life. -
6:19 - 6:22When you are in the comfort of your homes
- I'm no different - -
6:22 - 6:25and you sort of click images
on the Internet, -
6:25 - 6:28you do a little [scrolling]
and then you move on to the next one, -
6:28 - 6:31or if you are socially conscious,
then you say, -
6:31 - 6:34"OK, I am going to forward this email
to a bunch of other people." -
6:34 - 6:37Nothing wrong with that.
All of these things are very essential. -
6:37 - 6:41But when you actually
stand across from someone -
6:41 - 6:48who has gone through stuff
that I cannot even begin to describe, -
6:49 - 6:55tale after tale
of absolute inhumanity emerged. -
6:55 - 6:59I kept listening to them;
and at one point, you sort of grow numb -
6:59 - 7:02with you know, the tales
that you are hearing, -
7:02 - 7:07but at the back of my mind I kept saying,
"OK, I need to do something about this. -
7:07 - 7:11I need to shed the spotlight
because this is the topic I care about." -
7:11 - 7:14But we, filmmakers, are very fickle.
-
7:14 - 7:18There's that momentary burst
of "Oh, we want to do something," -
7:18 - 7:21then you go back,
and the next cheque is cut, -
7:21 - 7:23and you move on with your life.
-
7:23 - 7:24So this was no different.
-
7:24 - 7:27Except, I met this amazing girl,
-
7:28 - 7:31and in a very quiet voice,
-
7:32 - 7:34you know, she mumbled something.
-
7:35 - 7:38I thought I didn't hear it correctly
so I asked the guy. I said, -
7:38 - 7:40"Did I hear what she is saying?"
-
7:40 - 7:45He said, "Yeah, you have no idea
how courageous this girl is." -
7:45 - 7:49She was the first one
in the state of Andhra Pradesh -
7:49 - 7:51to take her traffickers to court.
-
7:51 - 7:55This is something
they had been struggling for years. -
7:55 - 7:59They would rescue these girls,
bring them to the shelter. -
7:59 - 8:04After few months of settling them,
trying to heal their wounds -
8:04 - 8:08both psychologically,
mentally, physically, -
8:08 - 8:11they would try to get
these girls to go to court, -
8:11 - 8:13to stand as witnesses,
-
8:13 - 8:16and none of them would have the courage
-
8:16 - 8:18because of all the social issues,
-
8:18 - 8:21they were threatened
by the mafia and all this. -
8:21 - 8:24This girl, this unassuming,
quiet little girl, -
8:24 - 8:28who just stood there in a corner,
had actually done it. -
8:28 - 8:32And that was the first case
in the state of Andhra Pradesh. -
8:32 - 8:34And that set a precedent.
-
8:34 - 8:36And then, by last count,
-
8:36 - 8:39there were 94 traffickers
who had been jailed. -
8:40 - 8:45Yeah, I mean this is a story of heroism,
and I said: "OK, that's my hook." -
8:46 - 8:52Like I keep saying, we've become so numb
in today's time, especially to images, -
8:52 - 8:53I'm talking about the power of images
-
8:53 - 8:57to change our thought processes
and sort of instil amazing ideas, -
8:57 - 9:03but we become so numb
to images that I felt, -
9:03 - 9:06instead of just giving you all statistics
-
9:06 - 9:11I would take you all down a road
which few people traveled. -
9:12 - 9:17The ones who have seen "Lakshmi",
it is an extremely hard film to watch. -
9:17 - 9:20And I am going to address the women
more than the men. -
9:22 - 9:25It is extremely disturbing.
-
9:26 - 9:29Like a lot of people have said,
there are many chunks of the movie -
9:29 - 9:33where your have your eyes
averted from the screen. -
9:33 - 9:35Again, the reason is simple.
-
9:35 - 9:40If I show you the journey
that one little girl took, -
9:41 - 9:44I think I can do a lot more
than just throwing, -
9:44 - 9:46you know, even at the beginning
of this trailer it's said -
9:46 - 9:5044,000 children are abducted,
3 million sex workers, -
9:50 - 9:52these are just numbers; all irrelevant.
-
9:52 - 9:56And that's how the journey
of "Laskhmi" started. -
9:56 - 10:01Now, with "Lakshmi", my intention,
both as a producer and director, -
10:01 - 10:03is absolutely clear.
-
10:03 - 10:06Irrespective of what happens
at the box office, -
10:06 - 10:09I want this film to travel.
-
10:09 - 10:12So, what I have done
specifically for this film -
10:12 - 10:15is, way before the release,
-
10:15 - 10:18we started showing the film
around college campuses. -
10:18 - 10:22And it has been one
of the most gratifying things -
10:22 - 10:24that I have done in my life,
-
10:24 - 10:26because the responses that we got,
-
10:26 - 10:30the kind of spread of awareness
through social media -
10:30 - 10:34and the reason that I attacked
the colleges was very simple. -
10:35 - 10:38You guys are literally the last stage
-
10:41 - 10:43before total cynicism sets in.
-
10:44 - 10:48You are still not jaded
to reject every good idea. -
10:48 - 10:50At least you will consider the idea,
-
10:50 - 10:54and if, by chance,
you end up liking it, champion it. -
10:54 - 10:59And that's why I started taking it
to college campuses. -
10:59 - 11:03In addition, we started talking to NGOs
to try and screen this. -
11:03 - 11:06Initially, I was a little hesitant
because I felt -
11:06 - 11:10that girls who have been through this
would not want to see -
11:10 - 11:12their own horror depicted on the screen.
-
11:12 - 11:14So I was little hesitant.
-
11:14 - 11:17But the response that I've gotten
from a lot of the NGOs -
11:17 - 11:21is that this will actually inspire
many more Lakshmis. -
11:21 - 11:26So this needs to be shown.
So another burst of enthusiasm. -
11:26 - 11:30And the key thing
with this whole process has been -
11:30 - 11:35I have never found a more potent tool.
-
11:35 - 11:37I used to just constantly pass it off
-
11:37 - 11:40as "Oh, this is good entertainment,
this is good entertainment," -
11:40 - 11:42but never once realized
-
11:42 - 11:46that when you sit in the dark hall
and these images play out, -
11:46 - 11:49what exactly goes on in your head
-
11:49 - 11:52is something that's
never been truly analyzed, -
11:52 - 11:56and I think that is something
worth looking and studying. -
11:56 - 12:01I want to close with a wonderful
little anecdote that happened. -
12:01 - 12:04Recently, we screened the film
in Palm Springs, -
12:04 - 12:05and it was very interesting to see
-
12:05 - 12:09an international audience
react to the film. -
12:11 - 12:15I had many
- and I am using the word carefully - -
12:15 - 12:19distraught women approach me
and, you know, say, -
12:19 - 12:23"Thank you for putting the spotlight
on a difficult topic," and blah blah blah. -
12:23 - 12:25But there was one woman
-
12:25 - 12:28who just stood next to me
and she couldn't talk, -
12:28 - 12:30and she just kept sobbing,
-
12:30 - 12:32but she kept saying
one thing over and over again. -
12:32 - 12:35She kept saying,
"I need to do something." -
12:35 - 12:37"I need to do something."
-
12:37 - 12:39And for me that was it.
-
12:39 - 12:43I was like,"I think
that's what a good film can do." -
12:43 - 12:48Good is subjective, I'll rephrase it:
that's what I think a film can do. -
12:49 - 12:52Which is inspire the need to do something.
-
12:52 - 12:53Thank you.
-
12:53 - 12:55(Applause )
- Title:
- Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM
- Description:
-
This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences.
In this talk Nagesh Kukunoor talks about his latest film 'Lakshmi', and how movie as a medium can introduce change into the society.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 13:01
![]() |
Denise RQ approved English subtitles for Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM | |
![]() |
Denise RQ edited English subtitles for Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM | |
![]() |
Denise RQ edited English subtitles for Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM | |
![]() |
Denise RQ edited English subtitles for Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM | |
![]() |
Denise RQ edited English subtitles for Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM | |
![]() |
Denise RQ edited English subtitles for Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM | |
![]() |
Denise RQ edited English subtitles for Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM | |
![]() |
Denise RQ edited English subtitles for Cinema as a medium of change in society | Nagesh Kukunoor | TEDxSITM |