Ben Knight, "The Internet's Missing Link: Tools for Turning Talk Into Action"
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0:00 - 0:04The Internet's Missing Link:
Tools for Turning Talk Into Action -
0:04 - 0:06Ben Knight
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0:06 - 0:09Personal Democracy
Forum 2014 -
0:09 - 0:16Thanks a lot Micheal and thanks everyone
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0:13 - 0:17for having me this very faraway place.
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0:17 - 0:23A few years ago I started a PhD
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0:21 - 0:26researching the evolution of
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0:23 - 0:28collective intelligence and humans.
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0:26 - 0:32I was really obsessed with this
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0:28 - 0:34one question which was why is it that
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0:32 - 0:36humans as far as we know are the only
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0:34 - 0:39species that's getting collectively more
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0:36 - 0:41and more intelligent over time ? With
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0:39 - 0:43every generation we're able to do things
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0:41 - 0:47that are more complex than the previous
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0:43 - 0:50generation. Naturally I was
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0:47 - 0:52sent to Texas and ended up working with
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0:50 - 0:54chimpanzees, teaching them to use
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0:52 - 0:58touch screens so to try and get to the
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0:54 - 1:01the bottom of this.
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0:58 - 1:03The question that i was asking every
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1:01 - 1:06night when I went home from the primate
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1:03 - 1:07Center I'd open my computer and I'd see
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1:06 - 1:10all this evidence of things going
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1:07 - 1:12seriously wrong in the world.
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1:10 - 1:15Things like ecosystem collapse,
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1:12 - 1:18out-of-control extractive economy on a
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1:15 - 1:20global scale and income inequality just
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1:18 - 1:22going through the roof and everywhere
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1:20 - 1:24you look. My initial research
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1:22 - 1:27question was pushed out by a much more
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1:24 - 1:29urgent question which is how is it that
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1:27 - 1:30if we're getting so much smarter all the
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1:29 - 1:32time
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1:30 - 1:34how is it that our biggest institutions
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1:32 - 1:37are just behaving in a way that's less and
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1:34 - 1:39less intelligent. So unintelligent
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1:37 - 1:43that it's putting the future of the
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1:39 - 1:46planet and everyone on it at risk.
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1:43 - 1:48The internet has been heralded for
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1:46 - 1:51decades now as a potentially
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1:48 - 1:53transformative force. In terms of
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1:51 - 1:55accumulating knowledge and making
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1:53 - 1:57communication instantaneous and
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1:55 - 2:00accessible at connecting people more
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1:57 - 2:01than they've ever been connected. And it
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2:00 - 2:03really does have that potential when you
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2:01 - 2:06see things like Wikipedia which we take
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2:03 - 2:09for granted every day where a group of
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2:06 - 2:11people have set up to to make the sum
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2:09 - 2:13total of all human knowledge accessible
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2:11 - 2:18to anyone anywhere. And they're doing it
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2:13 - 2:20and it's amazing. That brings up
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2:18 - 2:22another question which is
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2:20 - 2:25you know if this is the case, why has the
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2:22 - 2:28internet not helped in terms of, you know,
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2:25 - 2:30our largest institutions behaving in a
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2:28 - 2:32severely unintelligent way that's
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2:30 - 2:36putting everything at risk.
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2:32 - 2:39Well at the moment, the internet feels
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2:36 - 2:42like immensely powerful but
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2:39 - 2:43disembodied brain. You hear this metaphor
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2:42 - 2:45a lot about the internet being like this
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2:43 - 2:47distributed global brain. At the moment
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2:45 - 2:50it feels like it's sort of floating off
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2:47 - 2:53somewhere in space disconnected from the
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2:50 - 2:55distributed global body or like the
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2:53 - 2:58limbs in the physical world that are
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2:55 - 3:01deeply impacting on our environment.
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2:58 - 3:03That's where the big institutions are
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3:01 - 3:06coming. The things that really affect
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3:03 - 3:09our ecology and our living
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3:06 - 3:11conditions on a huge scale. These are
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3:09 - 3:14things without a brain. Theses are huge
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3:11 - 3:17institutions driven by self-interest and
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3:14 - 3:20without anyone really at the helm.
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3:17 - 3:22Just driven by these processes
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3:20 - 3:24that would we've put in place over decades
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3:22 - 3:26and totally disconnected from this
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3:24 - 3:27amazing wealth of collective
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3:26 - 3:32intelligence that's increasing
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3:27 - 3:34exponentially. In 2011 something
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3:32 - 3:37really interesting started happening.
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3:34 - 3:39I have been sitting in Texas getting so
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3:37 - 3:42disillusioned with the slow pace of
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3:39 - 3:45academic research, translating into
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3:42 - 3:46real-world impact that I started feeling
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3:45 - 3:48more and more guilt. I've started feeling
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3:46 - 3:50irresponsible for pouring my life into
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3:48 - 3:53this academic pursuit that was
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3:50 - 3:55interesting but just felt so slow
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3:53 - 3:56compared to the urgency of the problems
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3:55 - 4:00we're facing. So I came back to New
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3:56 - 4:02Zealand and i got involved in grassroots
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4:00 - 4:04community organizing and social justice
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4:02 - 4:06activism. I just felt this real need
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4:04 - 4:10to connect with real people in real
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4:06 - 4:13communities. Then in 2011,
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4:10 - 4:15largely through social media
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4:13 - 4:16seeing as many people
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4:15 - 4:18in this room would have experienced
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4:16 - 4:21seeing these images flooding through
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4:18 - 4:22all the new kind of social movement a
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4:21 - 4:23social movement that looked
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4:22 - 4:26distinctively different to anything I've
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4:23 - 4:28seen before. Starting in Tunisia
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4:26 - 4:30in january 2011 and then
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4:28 - 4:32spreading through to the arab spring
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4:30 - 4:33protests in Egypt and then the
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4:32 - 4:35indignados and 15M mouvements
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4:33 - 4:37in Latin America and Spain and then
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4:35 - 4:40the Occupy movement and Wall Street
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4:37 - 4:42starting in Wall Street and then spreading
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4:40 - 4:44to literally hundreds of cities around
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4:42 - 4:49the world even as far away as New
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4:44 - 4:51Zealand. So this felt to me and I'm sure
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4:49 - 4:53to many other people here like the first
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4:51 - 4:56time the internet had spoken out into
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4:53 - 5:00the real world. The first time this
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4:56 - 5:02sort of massive interconnexion had lead
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5:00 - 5:06people in really large numbers to get
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5:02 - 5:07out on the streets. And so if this is
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5:06 - 5:09the first time the Internet has really
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5:07 - 5:11spoken
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5:09 - 5:13what do you think its first word was ?
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5:11 - 5:15The internet more than anything else
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5:13 - 5:16that was seen in the last few years has
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5:15 - 5:19provided this massive infrastructure
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5:16 - 5:21immensely powerful for mobilizing huge
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5:19 - 5:24numbers of people to come together and
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5:21 - 5:25all say no at once. But then what
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5:24 - 5:27happened ?
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5:25 - 5:31We were sort of left with this
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5:27 - 5:33situation this vacuum once the
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5:31 - 5:36oppressive regime has been deposed once
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5:33 - 5:39the petition has been successful
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5:36 - 5:40the sort of once something's been
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5:39 - 5:41taken away when you mobilized in
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5:40 - 5:45opposition to something
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5:41 - 5:48how do you then transition to sustain
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5:45 - 5:51constructive collective action ? So how do
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5:48 - 5:54we get from this situation to this
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5:51 - 5:57situation how do we get from the angry
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5:54 - 6:00infant that doesn't say yes until
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5:57 - 6:03they're you know six months further down
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6:00 - 6:05the track ? And how do we sort of take
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6:03 - 6:08this mass of information that we're all
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6:05 - 6:11exchanging at an ever-increasing pace
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6:08 - 6:15and translate it into constructive
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6:11 - 6:18generative shared action ? That's
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6:15 - 6:20what a bunch of us in Wellington,
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6:18 - 6:22a bunch of technologists open source
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6:20 - 6:25developers facilitators and activists
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6:22 - 6:28have been working on for the last 18 to
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6:25 - 6:3024 months. It came out of
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6:28 - 6:33this experience of collective
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6:30 - 6:36decision-making on a large scale and
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6:33 - 6:37knowing that this was happening in
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6:36 - 6:39cities all over the world on every
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6:37 - 6:42continent that people who've never met
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6:39 - 6:44are coming together were talking they
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6:42 - 6:46were deliberating and they were
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6:44 - 6:49organizing a directly democratic way,
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6:46 - 6:51where every voice
could be heard with diverse -
6:49 - 6:53perspectives could contribute to a
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6:51 - 6:55process that would lead groups to come
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6:53 - 6:57to better outcomes than any individual
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6:55 - 6:59would buy themselves. Seeing the
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6:57 - 7:02power of that process and the potential
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6:59 - 7:05on a really large scale for it to have a
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7:02 - 7:07transformative effect. But also seeing
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7:05 - 7:09the flip side of that. Seeing the just a
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7:07 - 7:10practical constraints of needing to be
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7:09 - 7:13in the same place at the same time
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7:10 - 7:14seeing what happens to people when
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7:13 - 7:16they're in meetings for five hours and
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7:14 - 7:18nothing gets decided.
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7:16 - 7:19Or when the loudest voices in the room
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7:18 - 7:21dominate the discussion have a
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7:19 - 7:23disproportionate influence over the
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7:21 - 7:25decision-making and over the course of
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7:23 - 7:28weeks seeing the disintegration that
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7:25 - 7:32selection pressure leads to. The
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7:28 - 7:34same entrenched power structures emerged
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7:32 - 7:36from these groups that had an explicit
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7:34 - 7:39commitment to and two deep deliberative
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7:36 - 7:41Democratic inclusive process end up with
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7:39 - 7:44these emergent informal sort of
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7:41 - 7:48accidental dictatorships. We felt like
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7:44 - 7:48we're using the internet to communicate
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7:48 - 7:50every day
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7:48 - 7:53surely there's tool out there surely
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7:50 - 7:56there's some way of using that
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7:53 - 7:59infrastructure to not just talk but to
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7:56 - 8:03have discussions, then lead to
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7:59 - 8:05building a shared understanding and
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8:03 - 8:09eventually to agreed outcomes that can
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8:05 - 8:11be implemented. The platform
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8:09 - 8:14that we came up with came to be known as
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8:11 - 8:15Loomio which has got two
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8:14 - 8:18elements in the name via the idea of a
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8:15 - 8:20loom weaving disparity threads
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8:18 - 8:22together into a coherent whole. Also
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8:20 - 8:24the illumination that comes with from
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8:22 - 8:25the collective wisdom of a group of
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8:24 - 8:30people with diverse perspectives feeding
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8:25 - 8:33together. Where we're at now is
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8:30 - 8:35we've got a robust beta
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8:33 - 8:37prototype that's being used by thousands
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8:35 - 8:39of groups around the world and it looks
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8:37 - 8:42a bit like this. It's a really
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8:39 - 8:46simple user-friendly tool that allows
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8:42 - 8:50groups to have a discussion, start a
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8:46 - 8:53discussion on any topic. If the group
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8:50 - 8:56gets to a point where it makes sense to
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8:53 - 8:58try and make a decision together it
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8:56 - 9:00then anyone can put up a proposal. So a
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8:58 - 9:02good proposal is just a very clear
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9:00 - 9:06course of action I think the group
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9:02 - 9:07should do this. Like an in-person
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9:06 - 9:11group that works really well together
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9:07 - 9:13you have this flexibility where
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9:11 - 9:16you can change your position at any time.
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9:13 - 9:17So someone makes a compelling point that
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9:16 - 9:20you hadn't thought of you can go from
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9:17 - 9:22disagreeing to agreeing. This is sort of
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9:20 - 9:23taking the basic protocol the sort
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9:22 - 9:26of the name of collective
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9:23 - 9:27decision-making that was so that was
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9:26 - 9:29really spread through social media
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9:27 - 9:31around the Occupy movement and around
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9:29 - 9:34the other the other social movements and
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9:31 - 9:36the wave in 2011 and putting it into the
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9:34 - 9:39the most accessible online environment
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9:36 - 9:40that that we can design. When you
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9:39 - 9:44get to the end of the process you always
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9:40 - 9:47have a clear outcome. An actionable clear
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9:44 - 9:49outcome. This is where
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9:47 - 9:51all of these groups that are currently
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9:49 - 9:52trying to make decisions through
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9:51 - 9:55facebook trying to make decisions
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9:52 - 9:56through email these platforms that were
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9:55 - 9:58just not built for having that
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9:56 - 10:03convergence around a shared outcome that
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9:58 - 10:06works for everyone. As soon as
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10:03 - 10:10we had a prototype up and running it was
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10:06 - 10:13taken up by just such a diverse range of
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10:10 - 10:15of groups that it ended up being
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10:13 - 10:17used for things that we could never have
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10:15 - 10:20anticipated. One of the first groups
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10:17 - 10:22use in a large-scale was the same city
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10:20 - 10:24council that 12 months previously had
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10:22 - 10:27been sending us eviction notices to
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10:24 - 10:28clear us from the City Square. They used
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10:27 - 10:31it for a large-scale public consultation.
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10:28 - 10:33Just in the last little while we
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10:31 - 10:35have groups set up in a group of
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10:33 - 10:38community gardens in Bulgaria a
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10:35 - 10:40Community Hospital in Vietnam we've got
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10:38 - 10:42Bitcoin mining coops using it right
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10:40 - 10:43through two groups of twelve-year-olds
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10:42 - 10:47making decisions in their school
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10:43 - 10:50councils.
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10:47 - 10:51Something that's appealing
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10:50 - 10:53to everyone from anarchist
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10:51 - 10:55collectives through to government
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10:53 - 10:57departments feels like something that's
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10:55 - 11:02got a lot of potential for widespread
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10:57 - 11:05uptake. We've built this
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11:02 - 11:07beta version over the next six months
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11:05 - 11:09we'll be bringing out of beta to a full
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11:07 - 11:11mobile release. We've just run a
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11:09 - 11:13crowdfunding campaign that I know some
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11:11 - 11:15people in this room contributed to.
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11:13 - 11:18So we're deeply grateful for now having
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11:15 - 11:22resources to take it through to a full
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11:18 - 11:24release that can scale.
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11:22 - 11:27We're really just driving forward
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11:24 - 11:29and building with the open source
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11:27 - 11:31community something that we see as
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11:29 - 11:38public infrastructure for distributed
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11:31 - 11:42group decision making. Some of the groups
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11:38 - 11:46that are using it. Where we're at now
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11:42 - 11:50I feel in history is a really really
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11:46 - 11:53interesting place to be. And it's a
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11:50 - 11:55a really hopeful time in some ways and I
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11:53 - 11:57think that's what the the spirit of this
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11:55 - 12:00conference really captures, that we've
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11:57 - 12:02got this infrastructure with more
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12:00 - 12:06potential for liberation for inter
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12:02 - 12:08connection. For genuine distributed
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12:06 - 12:11meaningful democracy. And with the same
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12:08 - 12:13infrastructure is increasingly under
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12:11 - 12:16threat. We've got this digital Commons
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12:13 - 12:18that's increasingly being enclosed.
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12:16 - 12:22We've got all these these spaces that
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12:18 - 12:24feel public and really are not. Space
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12:22 - 12:27that feels like you can freely
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12:24 - 12:29participate when every single behavior
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12:27 - 12:30that you perform is being monetized, and
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12:29 - 12:38is being sold to the highest bidder.
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12:30 - 12:40The challenge now is to support the
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12:38 - 12:43ecosystem of tools that are developing
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12:40 - 12:45that are held publicly but held in the
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12:43 - 12:48public good that a purpose-driven not
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12:45 - 12:50profit maximizing. And they're some
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12:48 - 12:52really amazing tools coming out.
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12:50 - 12:54There's a group in Argentina called
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12:52 - 12:57"Democracy always" who've built the first
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12:54 - 13:00user-friendly platform for liquid
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12:57 - 13:04democracy for proxy voting. Really
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13:00 - 13:06impressive project. And I feel like the
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13:04 - 13:07challenge is really to to look at what's
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13:06 - 13:09already there.
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13:07 - 13:12This burgeoning sphere of publicly-held
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13:09 - 13:14Civic tech infrastructure and support it
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13:12 - 13:17and see what we can do to support other
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13:14 - 13:20projects coming up. As it's only when
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13:17 - 13:24we're all participating in meaningful
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13:20 - 13:26democracy. Democracy as a distributed
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13:24 - 13:29network of real people in real
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13:26 - 13:30communities coming together to make
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13:29 - 13:32decisions that work for everyone.
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13:30 - 13:35Only then will the public internet have
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13:32 - 13:41delivered on its real potential.
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13:35 - 13:41Thank you very much.
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