No one has ever seen God | Gabriella Caramore | TEDxLakeComo
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0:11 - 0:14I deal with religions
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0:14 - 0:18despite not having had a confessional
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0:18 - 0:23or even a religious upbringing
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0:25 - 0:28but, in fact, I mainly deal with them
out of a personal interest, -
0:29 - 0:30and above all
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0:30 - 0:35because I have long been investigating
the topic on a radio broadcast. -
0:36 - 0:39Of course it is always
somewhat embarrassing - -
0:39 - 0:42and I have noticed it
even these days, even last night -
0:42 - 0:43and then again this morning
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0:43 - 0:48to talk about religions
to a vast and composite audience, -
0:48 - 0:52because among you there are for sure
those whose faith is unquestioning -
0:52 - 0:54and whom I certainly
do not wish to offend, -
0:54 - 0:58and also those who - with good cause -
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0:58 - 1:01believe that religions
are a remnant of the past, -
1:01 - 1:03and I have no desire to contradict them,
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1:04 - 1:08and there are those who believe
that religions are but useless foppery -
1:08 - 1:11and there is no point
in taking an interest in them -
1:11 - 1:14as they are only capable
of leading to violence and destruction, -
1:14 - 1:16and this too makes sense.
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1:16 - 1:19Then talking about religions
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1:19 - 1:22is complicated because in this category
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1:23 - 1:28we channel an endless series
of stories and experiences. -
1:28 - 1:33There are religions
that have gods and godless religions, -
1:33 - 1:36polytheistic religions
and monotheistic religions, -
1:36 - 1:40there are religions
which have disappeared and new faiths, -
1:40 - 1:42religions viewed
as an entirely private matter -
1:43 - 1:46and religions as aspects
of one’s identity. -
1:49 - 1:54Besides, every religion is organized
into an infinite space of schools, -
1:54 - 1:57sects, churches, derivations, etc. etc.
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1:57 - 2:01and then again,
what do we mean by religions? -
2:01 - 2:05Do we mean the leaders,
as they say, of the major religions, -
2:05 - 2:07or are we speaking of,
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2:09 - 2:11I don't know, of a street priest,
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2:11 - 2:14of a monk seeking refuge in his hermitage,
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2:14 - 2:18of a curia cardinal
or a fanatical fundamentalist? -
2:19 - 2:22In short, there are many things
that can be said. -
2:22 - 2:27So, for this reason I would like
to suggest two paths tonight, -
2:28 - 2:30because you could lose yourself,
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2:30 - 2:34just like in front
of any other human experience, -
2:34 - 2:39think of scientific experience,
literature, society, history. -
2:39 - 2:45But, exactly, religious matters
belong to the time of man and, -
2:45 - 2:48as a result, we can find
some trace, at least, -
2:48 - 2:50of ancient wisdom,
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2:50 - 2:55which may have a meaning,
perhaps, for humanity as a whole. -
2:55 - 3:01The first step of this journey
consists of the Veda, -
3:01 - 3:03a very ancient body of texts
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3:03 - 3:06of the Aryan peoples
from the north of India, -
3:06 - 3:10written between 1500
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3:10 - 3:14and 1000 years the common era,
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3:14 - 3:17which gather, in fact,
various forms of knowledge. -
3:17 - 3:20Look, I just want to read out a fragment,
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3:21 - 3:25‘"In the beginning there was neither
non-existence nor existence. -
3:25 - 3:29There was no air then,
nor yet the sky beyond. -
3:29 - 3:33What enveloped it? Where?
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3:33 - 3:35Who was it protecting?
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3:35 - 3:39Was there water, unfathomable and deep?
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3:39 - 3:43At that time there was neither
death nor immortality, -
3:43 - 3:47there was no sign of night or day.
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3:47 - 3:50From where did this creation arise?
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3:50 - 3:52Whether he fashioned it or not,
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3:53 - 3:57he who watches over it in the highest
of heavens, he alone knows, -
3:57 - 3:59or perhaps he does not know.’
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4:00 - 4:03Here, then, you see,
this is how the thinking of man begins, -
4:03 - 4:05with questioning,
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4:05 - 4:07with a sense of wonder, a desire to know,
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4:07 - 4:10but also the awareness of not knowing.
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4:10 - 4:13I think that there is something impressive
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4:13 - 4:16in this questioning and in this doubting.
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4:16 - 4:21What moved and gave rise
to the great religious traditions -
4:21 - 4:26is what moved and gave rise
to all human knowledge, -
4:26 - 4:32up to space research or the web,
the wireless and so on, -
4:32 - 4:35be it science, writing
artistic representation, -
4:35 - 4:39or the measuring of the human being
within the universe. -
4:39 - 4:42I therefore believe
that we should treasure -
4:42 - 4:44the questions of ancient wisdom,
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4:44 - 4:48because they are the same ones
that infuse every kind of research -
4:48 - 4:51the human being embarks on,
even in our time. -
4:51 - 4:55We should treasure their appearance
on the world scene with, -
4:55 - 4:59you heard, a sense of wonder
at being alive, -
5:00 - 5:03at being something in this life.
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5:03 - 5:05These questions must then be treasured,
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5:05 - 5:09but not fossilized as they have often been
by religious institutions, -
5:09 - 5:13not codified, but forced wide open,
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5:13 - 5:17allowing for a multiplicity
of answers from which to choose, -
5:17 - 5:21as each of us will choose a path
because we cannot take them all, -
5:21 - 5:25but knowing that instead
there are many others. -
5:25 - 5:29Only by doing so will
we allow air, wind, and breath -
5:31 - 5:32to flow through those questions,
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5:32 - 5:34without suffocating them
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5:34 - 5:37in the asphyxiating
enclosure of sacristies, -
5:37 - 5:39sects, extremisms,
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5:39 - 5:42with intelligence, with a critical stance,
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5:43 - 5:48always refuting ideas
which are too complete in themselves, -
5:48 - 5:52opening up new horizons and new freedoms.
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5:52 - 5:55Think of how humiliating it would be,
as it is sometimes is humiliating, -
5:55 - 5:57in the history of human beings,
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5:57 - 6:00to reduce one's freedom,
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6:00 - 6:03to reduce even the free use of thought,
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6:03 - 6:07in the name of a creed,
of a belief, of a principle. -
6:07 - 6:10This has happened very often
in the history of religions, -
6:10 - 6:14but the foundation of faiths
lies in something else, -
6:14 - 6:16it lies in openness.
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6:16 - 6:23The other path that I want to suggest
moves instead from a different input, -
6:23 - 6:26from a different impulse
that has contributed to creating, -
6:26 - 6:30forging, shaping,
giving birth to religions, -
6:30 - 6:34that is the impulse to alleviate
the suffering of human beings, -
6:34 - 6:36to give meaning to pain,
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6:36 - 6:39to extinguish it wherever possible,
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6:39 - 6:42to contain the destructive
forces inhabiting it, -
6:43 - 6:47to try to create a community,
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6:47 - 6:51to build cities, to create society,
to build coexistence. -
6:52 - 6:57It is true that in history
religious traditions have caused wars, -
6:57 - 7:03sustained violence, encouraged abuses,
instigated destruction, -
7:03 - 7:06but this has happened and always happens,
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7:06 - 7:09it continues to happen,
when we stop questioning, -
7:09 - 7:13when we believe we own the truth
and stop looking for it, -
7:14 - 7:19when instead of an ungraspable,
an unknowable God, -
7:20 - 7:24we build, with our own hands,
an endless series of idols, -
7:24 - 7:26an endless series of golden calves.
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7:26 - 7:28And we would be well-advised to remember
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7:28 - 7:33that it is not only idolaters
who construct a false image of God, -
7:33 - 7:37but that our lives are peopled with idols:
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7:37 - 7:41suffice it to think of the idol
of money, of possessions, -
7:42 - 7:45of the idol that each of us is to himself.
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7:45 - 7:48"Lord, deliver me from myself,"
runs a poem by Fernando Pessoa. -
7:49 - 7:53So, how can we avoid turning
God into an idol? -
7:53 - 7:58‘The face of God cannot be seen,’
is written in the books of the Torah -
7:58 - 8:02and therefore it cannot be seen it means
that we are not allowed to imagine God, -
8:02 - 8:05we are not allowed to make fetishes
or figurines depicting Him, -
8:05 - 8:09to presume we know Him, to delude
ourselves that He is on our side. -
8:09 - 8:11Mind you, this is a commandment,
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8:12 - 8:14it is the second of the commandments,
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8:14 - 8:16after "I am the Lord thy God",
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8:16 - 8:20which means that there is a God -
provided He exists naturally - -
8:20 - 8:22and a God alone for all of mankind.
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8:23 - 8:25Then there is the third commandment,
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8:26 - 8:29‘You shall not take the name
of the Lord your God in vain,’ -
8:29 - 8:31and so, strictly speaking,
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8:31 - 8:34since man nothing true can know about God,
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8:34 - 8:37better never to pronounce His name
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8:37 - 8:41and in fact the name of God is unknowable,
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8:41 - 8:44it is contained in four
unpronounceable letters -
8:44 - 8:48and think that even in the Islamic
tradition there are 99 names of God, -
8:48 - 8:52but they are not nouns,
they are adjectives, that is attributes; -
8:52 - 8:56then there is a hundredth name
that nobody knows, -
8:56 - 8:58because only God knows it.
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8:58 - 9:00Let us consider what this means:
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9:00 - 9:04a God whose face cannot be seen,
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9:04 - 9:07whose name cannot be pronounced
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9:07 - 9:10is a God whose borders are open wide,
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9:10 - 9:13he is a God who lives
in the depths of human hearts, -
9:13 - 9:15but also in the abyss of the universes.
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9:16 - 9:21However, of that God or of that something
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9:21 - 9:24to which we have given
and we give the name of God, -
9:24 - 9:28there is a trace
in the quests of human beings, -
9:28 - 9:31there is a written trace in human history,
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9:31 - 9:34in the strategies
used to build a city of men, -
9:34 - 9:38where conflicts
can be mediated, elaborated, -
9:38 - 9:43where the freedoms of the ones
interlaces with the freedoms of others, -
9:44 - 9:47where a life of humanity
and not of bestiality is possible. -
9:49 - 9:51Another text,
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9:52 - 9:55another statement,
‘No one has ever seen God’. -
9:55 - 9:58This is written in the Prologue
to the Gospel of John -
9:58 - 10:01and yet another letter from John reads,
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10:01 - 10:06‘No one has ever seen God’
and continues immediately afterwards, -
10:07 - 10:10"If we love one another,
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10:10 - 10:15God abides in us, and His love
has been perfected in us...". -
10:15 - 10:18So let's try to understand
this implication here too. -
10:20 - 10:23No one has ever seen God.
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10:23 - 10:24Full stop.
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10:24 - 10:27If we love one another,
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10:27 - 10:30God remains in us
and his love is perfected in us. -
10:30 - 10:35So what matters is not
imagining God, what God is, -
10:35 - 10:41but that word which is defined as "love",
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10:43 - 10:45the love we know how to exchange,
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10:45 - 10:49the love we know how to build,
the love we are capable of feeling. -
10:49 - 10:53But, let’s be honest,
what an embarrassing word, -
10:53 - 10:57what an abused and debased word.
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10:58 - 11:02Sometimes, personally,
just hearing the word makes me sick: -
11:02 - 11:07it is an abstract word,
uttered rather than put into practice. -
11:07 - 11:11And let’s have no illusions
about the human creature. -
11:11 - 11:13We know what we are made of,
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11:13 - 11:17we know that we are a mixture
of tensions, love and hatred. -
11:18 - 11:20I like to recall the words of Pascal.
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11:20 - 11:22“What a chimera then is man.
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11:22 - 11:25What a novelty,
what a monster, what a chaos, -
11:26 - 11:29what a contradiction, what a prodigy!
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11:29 - 11:33Judge of all things, an imbecile worm;
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11:33 - 11:38depository of truth
and sewer of error and doubt; -
11:38 - 11:41the glory and the scum of the Universe".
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11:42 - 11:45But the human being
is also capable of that love, -
11:45 - 11:48of that attention
to the other, of that care, -
11:48 - 11:50of that responsibility for the other
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11:50 - 11:54that makes him human
and that is what counts. -
11:54 - 11:57This is what also counts
for the God of the Bible, -
11:58 - 12:01who says, through the mouths
of his prophets, -
12:01 - 12:04"I hate, I despise
your religious festivals; -
12:04 - 12:07your assemblies are a stench to me.
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12:08 - 12:11Even though you bring me
burnt offerings and grain offerings, -
12:11 - 12:12I will not accept them.
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12:12 - 12:16Though you bring choice fellowship
offerings, I will have no regard for them. -
12:16 - 12:19Away with the noise of your songs!
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12:19 - 12:22I will not listen
to the music of your harps. -
12:22 - 12:26But let justice roll on like a river,
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12:26 - 12:30righteousness like a stream
that never fails!”. -
12:30 - 12:35Honesty, justice, non-harming,
the building of good things, -
12:35 - 12:38are part of the human life
described in the Scriptures. -
12:38 - 12:40For this reason, I believe,
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12:40 - 12:42they should be read, studied, understood,
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12:42 - 12:47interpreted in a comment that never ends,
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12:47 - 12:49because it grows with us,
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12:49 - 12:52with each human being who approaches them,
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12:52 - 12:53just as we grow
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12:53 - 12:56with the frequentation
of those words -
12:56 - 12:58and that continuous interpretation.
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12:59 - 13:00We will realize, then,
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13:00 - 13:04how there is a thread that unites
the Scriptures and the traditions -
13:04 - 13:07of all times and all places and it is,
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13:07 - 13:10precisely, the attention
to the human being. -
13:10 - 13:12You can see it in the Synoptic Gospels,
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13:13 - 13:15when someone asks Jesus
what the greatest commandment is, -
13:16 - 13:19he puts together, in the story,
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13:19 - 13:22two propositions from the Old Testament,
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13:25 - 13:30"Love the one God" and "You shall love
your neighbour as yourself". -
13:30 - 13:33He says this is a single commandment.
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13:33 - 13:37Which means that if one loves God,
if someone says he loves God, -
13:37 - 13:40it is not true if he does not
also love his neighbour -
13:41 - 13:46and if he loves his neighbour
this is enough to love God too. -
13:46 - 13:51If we widen our gaze beyond
the Jewish and Christian scriptures, -
13:51 - 13:54we see that in all, but really in all -
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13:55 - 13:59in all wisdom, not only the Scriptures -
we find similar statements, -
13:59 - 14:03for example in the great Indian poems
and in the discourses of the Buddha, -
14:03 - 14:08in the thoughts of Confucius,
in the maxims of the Tao, in Jainism, -
14:08 - 14:11in Zoroastrianism, in the sayings
of the Prophet Muhammad, -
14:12 - 14:14in Latin wisdom,
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14:14 - 14:18up to the Declaration of Human Rights,
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14:18 - 14:21“All men endowed with reason
and with conscience -
14:21 - 14:25shall assume responsibilities
in a spirit of solidarity -
14:25 - 14:30towards each other and all, families,
communities, nations and religions. -
14:30 - 14:35What you do not want done to yourself,
do not do to others.” -
14:35 - 14:38This is, ultimately,
the program of any religion -
14:38 - 14:40and it does not seem
to be a trifling program, -
14:40 - 14:42it does not seem to be negligible.
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14:42 - 14:45This is why I believe
that it is worth, today, -
14:45 - 14:47to still question
the traces of the faiths, -
14:47 - 14:51I do not believe that we should
get rid of religions; -
14:51 - 14:55I believe we should get rid
of any dumb reading of religions, -
14:55 - 14:59of any opaque listening,
with an ear obstructed by nettle, -
14:59 - 15:01as poetess Nelly Sachs says.
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15:01 - 15:04In other words, I believe
that everyone should feel responsible -
15:05 - 15:09for the heritage of tradition
he has inherited; -
15:09 - 15:12indeed, each of us
should become that tradition -
15:12 - 15:16and take the risk
of interpreting ancient texts -
15:16 - 15:18that is up to our present,
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15:18 - 15:21with respect but without subjection;
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15:21 - 15:24with awareness but also with audacity.
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15:24 - 15:29Regenerate, revive ancient words,
reread them in the light of the present. -
15:29 - 15:35I want to close by reading to you
a verse from Deuteronomy which says, -
15:35 - 15:40"This command I give you today
is not too high for you, -
15:40 - 15:42nor beyond your reach;
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15:42 - 15:46it is not in the sky,
so you can say how can I reach it; -
15:46 - 15:48nor is it beyond the sea,
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15:48 - 15:51so that you can say
but whoever can ever bring it to me; -
15:53 - 15:55indeed, this word is very close to you,
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15:55 - 15:59it is in your mouth and in your heart
that you may put it into practice. -
16:00 - 16:04See, today I place
life and good before you, -
16:04 - 16:09death and evil, blessing and curse:
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16:09 - 16:14therefore choose life, so that you
and your descendants may live.” -
16:14 - 16:19So it is, I think, also up to us to choose
a life or at least to try. -
16:19 - 16:23I hope I have moved your beliefs
at least marginally. Thank you. -
16:23 - 16:24(Applause)
- Title:
- No one has ever seen God | Gabriella Caramore | TEDxLakeComo
- Description:
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Gabriella Caramore teaches "Religion and communication" at Università La Sapienza di Roma, and curates several documentaries and radio shows, including one on religious culture called "Uomini e profeti" [Men and Prophets],
From TEDxLakeComo stage, Gabriella makes a case that "we shoud not get rid of religions. We should get rid of a bad reading of religions".This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.
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- Video Language:
- Italian
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- Duration:
- 16:30
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