1 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,080 I deal with religions 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,400 despite not having had a confessional 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,280 or even a religious upbringing 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,440 but, in fact, I mainly deal with them out of a personal interest, 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,520 and above all 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,360 because I have long been investigating the topic on a radio broadcast. 7 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,600 Of course it is always somewhat embarrassing - 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,640 and I have noticed it even these days, even last night 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,160 and then again this morning 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,880 to talk about religions to a vast and composite audience, 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,600 because among you there are for sure those whose faith is unquestioning 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,360 and whom I certainly do not wish to offend, 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,920 and also those who - with good cause - 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,800 believe that religions are a remnant of the past, 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,440 and I have no desire to contradict them, 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,520 and there are those who believe that religions are but useless foppery 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,520 and there is no point in taking an interest in them 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,680 as they are only capable of leading to violence and destruction, 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,000 and this too makes sense. 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,240 Then talking about religions 21 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,440 is complicated because in this category 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:28,160 we channel an endless series of stories and experiences. 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,520 There are religions that have gods and godless religions, 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,040 polytheistic religions and monotheistic religions, 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,560 there are religions which have disappeared and new faiths, 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,120 religions viewed as an entirely private matter 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,160 and religions as aspects of one’s identity. 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Besides, every religion is organized into an infinite space of schools, 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,600 sects, churches, derivations, etc. etc. 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,240 and then again, what do we mean by religions? 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,000 Do we mean the leaders, as they say, of the major religions, 32 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,680 or are we speaking of, 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,120 I don't know, of a street priest, 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,720 of a monk seeking refuge in his hermitage, 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,440 of a curia cardinal or a fanatical fundamentalist? 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,880 In short, there are many things that can be said. 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,600 So, for this reason I would like to suggest two paths tonight, 38 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,160 because you could lose yourself, 39 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,680 just like in front of any other human experience, 40 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:39,360 think of scientific experience, literature, society, history. 41 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,880 But, exactly, religious matters belong to the time of man and, 42 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,320 as a result, we can find some trace, at least, 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,080 of ancient wisdom, 44 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,800 which may have a meaning, perhaps, for humanity as a whole. 45 00:02:54,880 --> 00:03:00,720 The first step of this journey consists of the Veda, 46 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,600 a very ancient body of texts 47 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,800 of the Aryan peoples from the north of India, 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,280 written between 1500 49 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,040 and 1000 years the common era, 50 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,880 which gather, in fact, various forms of knowledge. 51 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Look, I just want to read out a fragment, 52 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:25,280 ‘"In the beginning there was neither non-existence nor existence. 53 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,720 There was no air then, nor yet the sky beyond. 54 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,840 What enveloped it? Where? 55 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:34,840 Who was it protecting? 56 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,680 Was there water, unfathomable and deep? 57 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,080 At that time there was neither death nor immortality, 58 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,840 there was no sign of night or day. 59 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,920 From where did this creation arise? 60 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Whether he fashioned it or not, 61 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,680 he who watches over it in the highest of heavens, he alone knows, 62 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,560 or perhaps he does not know.’ 63 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,240 Here, then, you see, this is how the thinking of man begins, 64 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,504 with questioning, 65 00:04:04,504 --> 00:04:07,360 with a sense of wonder, a desire to know, 66 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,800 but also the awareness of not knowing. 67 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,720 I think that there is something impressive 68 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,360 in this questioning and in this doubting. 69 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,880 What moved and gave rise to the great religious traditions 70 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,680 is what moved and gave rise to all human knowledge, 71 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:31,760 up to space research or the web, the wireless and so on, 72 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,640 be it science, writing artistic representation, 73 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,160 or the measuring of the human being within the universe. 74 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,040 I therefore believe that we should treasure 75 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,400 the questions of ancient wisdom, 76 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,000 because they are the same ones that infuse every kind of research 77 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,560 the human being embarks on, even in our time. 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,120 We should treasure their appearance on the world scene with, 79 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,720 you heard, a sense of wonder at being alive, 80 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,520 at being something in this life. 81 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,040 These questions must then be treasured, 82 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,400 but not fossilized as they have often been by religious institutions, 83 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,280 not codified, but forced wide open, 84 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,160 allowing for a multiplicity of answers from which to choose, 85 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,160 as each of us will choose a path because we cannot take them all, 86 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,880 but knowing that instead there are many others. 87 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,400 Only by doing so will we allow air, wind, and breath 88 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,240 to flow through those questions, 89 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,800 without suffocating them 90 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,840 in the asphyxiating enclosure of sacristies, 91 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,800 sects, extremisms, 92 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,160 with intelligence, with a critical stance, 93 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,920 always refuting ideas which are too complete in themselves, 94 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,560 opening up new horizons and new freedoms. 95 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,200 Think of how humiliating it would be, as it is sometimes is humiliating, 96 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:56,960 in the history of human beings, 97 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,520 to reduce one's freedom, 98 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,680 to reduce even the free use of thought, 99 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,880 in the name of a creed, of a belief, of a principle. 100 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,160 This has happened very often in the history of religions, 101 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,080 but the foundation of faiths lies in something else, 102 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,560 it lies in openness. 103 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:22,680 The other path that I want to suggest moves instead from a different input, 104 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,920 from a different impulse that has contributed to creating, 105 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,600 forging, shaping, giving birth to religions, 106 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,680 that is the impulse to alleviate the suffering of human beings, 107 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,800 to give meaning to pain, 108 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,840 to extinguish it wherever possible, 109 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,360 to contain the destructive forces inhabiting it, 110 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,760 to try to create a community, 111 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:51,200 to build cities, to create society, to build coexistence. 112 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,240 It is true that in history religious traditions have caused wars, 113 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:03,200 sustained violence, encouraged abuses, instigated destruction, 114 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:05,960 but this has happened and always happens, 115 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,240 it continues to happen, when we stop questioning, 116 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,280 when we believe we own the truth and stop looking for it, 117 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,480 when instead of an ungraspable, an unknowable God, 118 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,640 we build, with our own hands, an endless series of idols, 119 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,960 an endless series of golden calves. 120 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,360 And we would be well-advised to remember 121 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,240 that it is not only idolaters who construct a false image of God, 122 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,800 but that our lives are peopled with idols: 123 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,560 suffice it to think of the idol of money, of possessions, 124 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,560 of the idol that each of us is to himself. 125 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,040 "Lord, deliver me from myself," runs a poem by Fernando Pessoa. 126 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,880 So, how can we avoid turning God into an idol? 127 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,840 ‘The face of God cannot be seen,’ is written in the books of the Torah 128 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,840 and therefore it cannot be seen it means that we are not allowed to imagine God, 129 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,000 we are not allowed to make fetishes or figurines depicting Him, 130 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,520 to presume we know Him, to delude ourselves that He is on our side. 131 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,440 Mind you, this is a commandment, 132 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,160 it is the second of the commandments, 133 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,080 after "I am the Lord thy God", 134 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,160 which means that there is a God - provided He exists naturally - 135 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,240 and a God alone for all of mankind. 136 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,040 Then there is the third commandment, 137 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,920 ‘You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain,’ 138 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,800 and so, strictly speaking, 139 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,160 since man nothing true can know about God, 140 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,960 better never to pronounce His name 141 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,920 and in fact the name of God is unknowable, 142 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,720 it is contained in four unpronounceable letters 143 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,760 and think that even in the Islamic tradition there are 99 names of God, 144 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,880 but they are not nouns, they are adjectives, that is attributes; 145 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,760 then there is a hundredth name that nobody knows, 146 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,520 because only God knows it. 147 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,320 Let us consider what this means: 148 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,800 a God whose face cannot be seen, 149 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,160 whose name cannot be pronounced 150 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,800 is a God whose borders are open wide, 151 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,040 he is a God who lives in the depths of human hearts, 152 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,320 but also in the abyss of the universes. 153 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,520 However, of that God or of that something 154 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,280 to which we have given and we give the name of God, 155 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,640 there is a trace in the quests of human beings, 156 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,920 there is a written trace in human history, 157 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,400 in the strategies used to build a city of men, 158 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,400 where conflicts can be mediated, elaborated, 159 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,440 where the freedoms of the ones interlaces with the freedoms of others, 160 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,240 where a life of humanity and not of bestiality is possible. 161 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,880 Another text, 162 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,960 another statement, ‘No one has ever seen God’. 163 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,760 This is written in the Prologue to the Gospel of John 164 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,360 and yet another letter from John reads, 165 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,840 ‘No one has ever seen God’ and continues immediately afterwards, 166 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,840 "If we love one another, 167 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,680 God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us...". 168 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,040 So let's try to understand this implication here too. 169 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,720 No one has ever seen God. 170 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,240 Full stop. 171 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,680 If we love one another, 172 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,840 God remains in us and his love is perfected in us. 173 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:35,360 So what matters is not imagining God, what God is, 174 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,880 but that word which is defined as "love", 175 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,400 the love we know how to exchange, 176 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,680 the love we know how to build, the love we are capable of feeling. 177 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,080 But, let’s be honest, what an embarrassing word, 178 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,640 what an abused and debased word. 179 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:01,720 Sometimes, personally, just hearing the word makes me sick: 180 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,640 it is an abstract word, uttered rather than put into practice. 181 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,080 And let’s have no illusions about the human creature. 182 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,000 We know what we are made of, 183 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,080 we know that we are a mixture of tensions, love and hatred. 184 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,280 I like to recall the words of Pascal. 185 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,160 “What a chimera then is man. 186 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,440 What a novelty, what a monster, what a chaos, 187 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,520 what a contradiction, what a prodigy! 188 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,040 Judge of all things, an imbecile worm; 189 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,120 depository of truth and sewer of error and doubt; 190 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,760 the glory and the scum of the Universe". 191 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,080 But the human being is also capable of that love, 192 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,200 of that attention to the other, of that care, 193 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,360 of that responsibility for the other 194 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,680 that makes him human and that is what counts. 195 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,680 This is what also counts for the God of the Bible, 196 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,640 who says, through the mouths of his prophets, 197 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,600 "I hate, I despise your religious festivals; 198 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:06,600 your assemblies are a stench to me. 199 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings, 200 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,080 I will not accept them. 201 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,000 Though you bring choice fellowship offerings, I will have no regard for them. 202 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,360 Away with the noise of your songs! 203 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,000 I will not listen to the music of your harps. 204 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,240 But let justice roll on like a river, 205 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,680 righteousness like a stream that never fails!”. 206 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Honesty, justice, non-harming, the building of good things, 207 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,160 are part of the human life described in the Scriptures. 208 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,680 For this reason, I believe, 209 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,280 they should be read, studied, understood, 210 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,040 interpreted in a comment that never ends, 211 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,400 because it grows with us, 212 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,840 with each human being who approaches them, 213 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,013 just as we grow 214 00:12:53,013 --> 00:12:55,709 with the frequentation of those words 215 00:12:55,709 --> 00:12:58,080 and that continuous interpretation. 216 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,400 We will realize, then, 217 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,320 how there is a thread that unites the Scriptures and the traditions 218 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,160 of all times and all places and it is, 219 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,040 precisely, the attention to the human being. 220 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,440 You can see it in the Synoptic Gospels, 221 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,440 when someone asks Jesus what the greatest commandment is, 222 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,040 he puts together, in the story, 223 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,360 two propositions from the Old Testament, 224 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:30,320 "Love the one God" and "You shall love your neighbour as yourself". 225 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,160 He says this is a single commandment. 226 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,360 Which means that if one loves God, if someone says he loves God, 227 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,480 it is not true if he does not also love his neighbour 228 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:45,800 and if he loves his neighbour this is enough to love God too. 229 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,800 If we widen our gaze beyond the Jewish and Christian scriptures, 230 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,720 we see that in all, but really in all - 231 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,360 in all wisdom, not only the Scriptures - we find similar statements, 232 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,080 for example in the great Indian poems and in the discourses of the Buddha, 233 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,680 in the thoughts of Confucius, in the maxims of the Tao, in Jainism, 234 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,280 in Zoroastrianism, in the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, 235 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,280 in Latin wisdom, 236 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,160 up to the Declaration of Human Rights, 237 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,960 “All men endowed with reason and with conscience 238 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,200 shall assume responsibilities in a spirit of solidarity 239 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,840 towards each other and all, families, communities, nations and religions. 240 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,880 What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.” 241 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,960 This is, ultimately, the program of any religion 242 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,240 and it does not seem to be a trifling program, 243 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,080 it does not seem to be negligible. 244 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,000 This is why I believe that it is worth, today, 245 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,320 to still question the traces of the faiths, 246 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,520 I do not believe that we should get rid of religions; 247 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,960 I believe we should get rid of any dumb reading of religions, 248 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,760 of any opaque listening, with an ear obstructed by nettle, 249 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,080 as poetess Nelly Sachs says. 250 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,480 In other words, I believe that everyone should feel responsible 251 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,720 for the heritage of tradition he has inherited; 252 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,280 indeed, each of us should become that tradition 253 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,680 and take the risk of interpreting ancient texts 254 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,160 that is up to our present, 255 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,080 with respect but without subjection; 256 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,760 with awareness but also with audacity. 257 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:29,000 Regenerate, revive ancient words, reread them in the light of the present. 258 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:34,520 I want to close by reading to you a verse from Deuteronomy which says, 259 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,840 "This command I give you today is not too high for you, 260 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,520 nor beyond your reach; 261 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,920 it is not in the sky, so you can say how can I reach it; 262 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,600 nor is it beyond the sea, 263 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,120 so that you can say but whoever can ever bring it to me; 264 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,240 indeed, this word is very close to you, 265 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,320 it is in your mouth and in your heart that you may put it into practice. 266 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,200 See, today I place life and good before you, 267 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,960 death and evil, blessing and curse: 268 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:14,040 therefore choose life, so that you and your descendants may live.” 269 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,520 So it is, I think, also up to us to choose a life or at least to try. 270 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,600 I hope I have moved your beliefs at least marginally. Thank you. 271 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,960 (Applause)