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How to put the power of law in people's hands

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    I want to tell you about someone.
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    I'm going to call him Ravi Nanda.
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    I'm changing his name
    to protect his safety.
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    Ravi's from a community
    of herdspeople in Gujarat
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    on the western coast of India,
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    same place my own family comes from.
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    When he was 10 years old,
    his entire community was forced to move
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    because a multinational corporation
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    constructed a manufacturing facility
    on the land where they lived.
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    Then, 20 years later,
    the same company built a cement factory
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    100 meters from where they live now.
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    India has got strong
    environmental regulations on paper,
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    but this company
    has violated many of them.
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    Dust from that factory
    covers Ravi's mustache
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    and everything he wears.
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    I spent just two days in his place,
    and I coughed for a week.
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    Ravi says that if people or animals
    eat anything that grows in his village
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    or drink the water,
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    they get sick.
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    He says children now walk
    long distances with cattle and buffalo
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    to find uncontaminated grazing land.
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    He says many of those kids
    have dropped out of school,
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    including three of his own.
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    Ravi has appealed
    to the company for years.
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    He said, "I've written so many letters
    my family could cremate me with them.
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    They wouldn't need to buy any wood."
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    (Laughter)
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    He said the company ignored
    every one of those letters,
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    and so in 2013,
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    Ravi Nanda decided to use
    the last means of protest
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    he thought he had left.
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    He walked to the gates of that factory
    with a bucket of petrol in his hands,
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    intending to set himself on fire.
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    Ravi is not alone in his desperation.
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    The UN estimates that worldwide,
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    four billion people live
    without basic access to justice.
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    These people face grave threats
    to their safety, their livelihoods,
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    their dignity.
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    There are almost always laws on the books
    that would protect these people,
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    but they've often
    never heard of those laws,
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    and the systems that are supposed
    to enforce those laws
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    are corrupt or broken or both.
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    We are living with a global
    epidemic of injustice,
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    but we've been choosing to ignore it.
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    Right now, in Sierra Leone,
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    in Cambodia, in Ethiopia,
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    farmers are being cajoled
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    into putting their thumbprints
    on 50-year lease agreements,
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    signing away all the land
    they've ever known for a pittance
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    without anybody even explaining the terms.
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    Governments seem to think that's OK.
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    Right now, in the United States,
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    in India, in Slovenia,
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    people like Ravi
    are raising their children
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    in the shadow of factories or mines
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    that are poisoning
    their air and their water.
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    There are environmental laws
    that would protect these people,
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    but many have never seen those laws,
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    let alone having a shot at enforcing them.
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    And the world seems
    to have decided that's OK.
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    What would it take to change that?
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    Law is supposed to be the language we use
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    to translate our dreams about justice
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    into living institutions
    that hold us together.
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    Law is supposed to be the difference
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    between a society
    ruled by the most powerful
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    and one that honors
    the dignity of everyone,
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    strong or weak.
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    That's why I told
    my grandmother 20 years ago
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    that I wanted to go to law school.
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    Grandma didn't pause.
    She didn't skip a beat.
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    She said to me, "Lawyer is liar."
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    (Laughter)
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    That was discouraging.
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    (Laughter)
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    But grandma's right, in a way.
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    Something about law
    and lawyers has gone wrong.
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    We lawyers are usually
    expensive, first of all,
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    and we tend to focus
    on formal court channels
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    that are impractical
    for many of the problems people face.
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    Worse, our profession has shrouded law
    in a cloak of complexity.
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    Law is like riot gear on a police officer.
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    It's intimidating and impenetrable,
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    and it's hard to tell
    there's something human underneath.
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    If we're going to make justice
    a reality for everyone,
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    we need to turn law
    from an abstraction or a threat
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    into something that every single person
    can understand, use, and shape.
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    Lawyers are crucial
    in that fight, no doubt,
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    but we can't leave it to lawyers alone.
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    In health care, for example,
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    we don't just rely
    on doctors to serve patients.
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    We have nurses and midwives
    and community health workers.
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    The same should be true of justice.
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    Community legal workers,
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    sometimes we call them
    community paralegals,
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    or barefoot lawyers,
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    can be a bridge.
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    These paralegals are from
    the communities they serve.
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    They demystify law,
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    break it down into simple terms,
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    and then they help people
    look for a solution.
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    They don't focus on the courts alone.
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    They look everywhere:
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    ministry departments,
    local government, an ombudsman's office.
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    Lawyers sometimes say to their clients,
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    "I'll handle it for you. I've got you."
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    Paralegals have a different message,
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    not "I'm going to solve it for you,"
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    but "We're going to solve it together,
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    and in the process,
    we're both going to grow."
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    Community paralegals
    saved my own relationship to law.
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    After about a year in law school,
    I almost dropped out.
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    I was thinking maybe I should
    have listened to my grandmother.
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    It was when I started
    working with paralegals
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    in Sierra Leone, in 2003,
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    that I began feeling hopeful
    about the law again,
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    and I have been obsessed ever since.
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    Let me come back to Ravi.
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    2013, he did reach
    the gates of that factory
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    with the bucket of petrol in his hands,
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    but he was arrested
    before he could follow through.
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    He didn't have to spend long in jail,
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    but he felt completely defeated.
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    Then, two years later, he met someone.
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    I'm going to call him Kush.
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    Kush is part of a team
    of community paralegals
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    that works for environmental justice
    on the Gujarat coast.
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    Kush explained to Ravi
    that there was law on his side.
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    Kush translated into Gujarati
    something Ravi had never seen.
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    It's called the "consent to operate."
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    It's issued by the state government,
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    and it allows the factory to run
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    only if it complies
    with specific conditions.
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    So together, they compared
    the legal requirements with reality,
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    they collected evidence,
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    and they drafted an application --
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    not to the courts,
    but to two administrative institutions,
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    the Pollution Control Board
    and the district administration.
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    Those applications started turning
    the creaky wheels of enforcement.
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    A pollution officer
    came for a site inspection,
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    and after that, the company
    started running an air filtration system
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    it was supposed to have
    been using all along.
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    It also started covering the 100 trucks
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    that come and go
    from that plant every day.
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    Those two measures
    reduced the air pollution considerably.
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    The case is far from over,
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    but learning and using law gave Ravi hope.
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    There are people like Kush
    walking alongside people like Ravi
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    in many places.
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    Today, I work with a group called Namati.
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    Namati helps convene a global network
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    dedicated to legal empowerment.
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    All together, we are over
    a thousand organizations
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    in 120 countries.
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    Collectively, we deploy
    tens of thousands of community paralegals.
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    Let me give you another example.
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    This is Khadija Hamsa.
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    She is one of five million people in Kenya
    who faces a discriminatory vetting process
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    when trying to obtain a national ID card.
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    It is like the Jim Crow South
    in the United States.
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    If you are from a certain set of tribes,
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    most of them Muslim,
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    you get sent to a different line.
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    Without an ID, you can't apply for a job.
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    You can't get a bank loan.
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    You can't enroll in university.
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    You are excluded from society.
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    Khadija tried off and on to get an ID
    for eight years, without success.
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    Then she met a paralegal
    working in her community
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    named Hassan Kassim.
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    Hassan explained to Khadija
    how vetting works,
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    he helped her gather
    the documents she needed,
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    helped prep her to go before
    the vetting community.
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    Finally, she was able to get an ID
    with Hassan's help.
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    First thing she did with it
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    was use it to apply
    for birth certificates for her children,
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    which they need in order to go to school.
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    In the United States,
    among many other problems,
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    we have a housing crisis.
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    In many cities,
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    90 percent of the landlords
    in housing court have attorneys,
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    while 90 percent of the tenants do not.
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    In New York, a new crew of paralegals --
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    they're called
    Access to Justice Navigators --
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    helps people to understand housing law
    and to advocate for themselves.
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    Normally in New York,
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    one out of nine tenants
    brought to housing court
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    gets evicted.
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    Researchers took a look at 150 cases
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    in which people had help
    from these paralegals,
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    and they found no evictions at all,
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    not one.
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    A little bit of legal empowerment
    can go a long way.
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    I see the beginnings of a real movement,
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    but we're nowhere near what's necessary.
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    Not yet.
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    In most countries around the world,
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    governments do not provide
    a single dollar of support
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    to paralegals like Hassan and Kush.
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    Most governments don't even recognize
    the role paralegals play,
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    or protect paralegals from harm.
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    I also don't want
    to give you the impression
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    that paralegals and their clients
    win every time.
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    Not at all.
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    That cement factory behind Ravi's village,
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    it's been turning off
    the filtration system at night,
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    when it's least likely
    that the company would get caught.
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    Running that filter costs money.
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    Ravi whatsapps photos
    of the polluted night sky.
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    This is one he sent to Kush in May.
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    Ravi says the air is still unbreathable.
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    At one point this year,
    Ravi went on hunger strike.
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    Kush was frustrated.
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    He said, "We can win if we use the law."
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    Ravi said, "I believe in the law, I do,
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    but it's not getting us far enough."
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    Whether it's India, Kenya,
    the United States, or anywhere else,
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    trying to squeeze justice
    out of broken systems
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    is like Ravi's case.
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    Hope and despair are neck and neck.
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    And so not only do we urgently need
    to support and protect
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    the work of barefoot lawyers
    around the world,
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    we need to change the systems themselves.
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    Every case a paralegal takes on
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    is a story about how a system
    is working in practice.
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    When you put those stories together,
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    it gives you a detailed portrait
    of the system as a whole.
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    People can use that information
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    to demand improvements
    to laws and policies.
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    In India, paralegals and clients
    have drawn on their case experience
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    to propose smarter regulations
    for the handling of minerals.
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    In Kenya, paralegals and clients
    are using data from thousands of cases
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    to argue that vetting is unconstitutional.
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    This is a different way
    of approaching reform.
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    This is not a consultant
    flying into Myanmar
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    with a template he's going
    to cut and paste from Macedonia,
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    and this is not an angry tweet.
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    This is about growing reforms
    from the experience of ordinary people
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    trying to make the rules and systems work.
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    This transformation in the relationship
    between people and law
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    is the right thing to do.
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    It's also essential for overcoming
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    all of the other
    great challenges of our times.
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    We are not going to avert
    environmental collapse
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    if the people most affected by pollution
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    don't have a say in what happens
    to the land and the water,
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    and we won't succeed in reducing poverty
    or expanding opportunity
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    if poor people can't exercise
    their basic rights.
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    And I believe we won't overcome
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    the despair that authoritarian
    politicians prey upon
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    if our systems stay rigged.
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    I called Ravi before coming here
    to ask permission to share his story.
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    I asked if there was any message
    he wanted to give people.
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    He said, "[Gujarati]."
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    Wake up.
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    "[Gujarati]."
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    Don't be afraid.
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    "[Gujarati]."
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    Fight with paper.
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    By that I think he means
    fight using law rather than guns.
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    "[Gujarati]."
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    Maybe not today, maybe not this year,
    maybe not in five years,
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    but find justice.
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    If this guy, whose entire community
    is being poisoned every single day,
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    who was ready to take his own life,
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    if he's not giving up on seeking justice,
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    then the world can't give up either.
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    Ultimately, what Ravi calls
    "fighting with paper"
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    is about forging a deeper
    version of democracy
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    in which we the people,
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    we don't just cast ballots
    every few years,
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    we take part daily in the rules
    and institutions that hold us together,
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    in which everyone,
    even the least powerful,
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    can know law, use law, and shape law.
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    Making that happen, winning that fight,
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    requires all of us.
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    Thank you guys. Thank you.
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    (Applause)
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    Kelo Kubu: Thanks, Vivek.
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    So I'm going to make a few assumptions
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    that people in this room know
    what the Sustainable Development Goals are
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    and how the process works,
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    but I want us to talk a little bit
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    about Goal 16: Peace, justice,
    and strong institutions.
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    Vivek Maru: Yeah. Anybody remember
    the Millennium Development Goals?
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    They were adopted in 2000 by the UN
    and governments around the world,
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    and they were for essential,
    laudable things.
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    It was reduce child mortality
    by two thirds, cut hunger in half,
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    crucial things.
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    But there was no mention
    of justice or fairness
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    or accountability or corruption,
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    and we have made progress
    during the 15 years
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    when those goals were in effect,
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    but we are way behind
    what justice demands,
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    and we're not going to get there
    unless we take justice into account.
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    And so when the debate started
    about the next development framework,
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    the 2030 Sustainable Development Goals,
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    our community came together
    around the world to argue
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    to argue that access to justice
    and legal empowerment
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    should be a part of that new framework.
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    And there was a lot of resistance.
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    Those things are more political,
    more contentious than the other ones,
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    so we didn't know until the night before
    whether it was going to come through.
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    We squeaked by.
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    The 16th out of 17 goals
    commits to access to justice for all,
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    which is a big deal.
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    It's a big deal, yes.
    Let's clap for justice.
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    (Applause)
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    Here's the scandal, though.
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    The day the goals were adopted,
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    most of them were accompanied
    by big commitments:
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    a billion dollars
    from the Gates Foundation
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    and the British government for nutrition;
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    25 billion in public-private financing
    for health care for women and children.
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    On access to justice,
    we had the words on the paper,
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    but nobody pledged a penny,
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    and so that is the opportunity
    and the challenge that we face right now.
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    The world recognizes more than ever before
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    that you can't have
    development without justice,
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    that people can't improve their lives
    if they can't exercise their rights,
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    and what we need to do now
    is turn that rhetoric,
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    turn that principle, into reality.
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    (Applause)
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    KK: How can we help?
    What can people in this room do?
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    VM: Great question. Thank you for asking.
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    I would say three things.
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    One is invest.
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    If you have 10 dollars,
    or a hundred dollars, a million dollars,
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    consider putting some of it
    towards grassroots legal empowerment.
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    It's important in its own right
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    and it's crucial for just about
    everything else we care about.
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    Number two,
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    push your politicians and your governments
    to make this a public priority.
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    Just like health or education,
    access to justice
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    should be one of the things
    that a government owes its people,
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    and we're nowhere close to that,
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    neither in rich countries
    or poor countries.
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    Number three is
    "be a paralegal in your own life."
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    Find an injustice
    or a problem where you live.
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    It's not hard to find, if you look.
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    Is the river being contaminated,
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    the one that passes through
    the city where you live?
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    Are there workers getting paid
    less than minimum wage
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    or who are working without safety gear?
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    Get to know the people most affected,
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    find out what the rules say,
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    see if you can use those rules
    to get a solution.
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    If it doesn't work, see if you can
    come together to improve those rules.
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    Because if we all start knowing law,
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    using law, and shaping law,
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    then we will be building
    that deeper version of democracy
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    that I believe our world
    desperately needs.
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    (Applause)
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    KK: Thanks so much, Vivek. VM: Thank you.
Title:
How to put the power of law in people's hands
Speaker:
Vivek Maru
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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
19:43

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