The coming crisis in antibiotics
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0:01 - 0:04The first patient to ever be
treated with an antibiotic -
0:04 - 0:06was a policeman in Oxford.
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0:06 - 0:08On his day off from work,
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0:08 - 0:11he was scratched by a rose thorn
while working in the garden. -
0:11 - 0:15That small scratch became infected.
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0:15 - 0:17Over the next few days,
his head was swollen -
0:17 - 0:19with abscesses,
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0:19 - 0:21and in fact his eye was so infected
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0:21 - 0:23that they had to take it out,
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0:23 - 0:26and by February of 1941,
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0:26 - 0:28this poor man was on the verge of dying.
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0:28 - 0:32He was at Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford,
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0:32 - 0:34and fortunately for him,
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0:34 - 0:35a small team of doctors
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0:35 - 0:37led by a Dr. Howard Florey
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0:37 - 0:39had managed to synthesize
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0:39 - 0:42a very small amount of penicillin,
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0:42 - 0:44a drug that had been discovered
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0:44 - 0:4612 years before by Alexander Fleming
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0:46 - 0:50but had never actually been
used to treat a human, -
0:50 - 0:52and indeed no one even
knew if the drug would work, -
0:52 - 0:56if it was full of impurities
that would kill the patient, -
0:56 - 0:58but Florey and his team figured
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0:58 - 1:00if they had to use it,
they might as well use it -
1:00 - 1:02on someone who was going to die anyway.
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1:02 - 1:06So they gave Albert Alexander,
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1:06 - 1:09this Oxford policeman, the drug,
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1:09 - 1:11and within 24 hours,
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1:11 - 1:13he started getting better.
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1:13 - 1:17His fever went down,
his appetite came back. -
1:17 - 1:20Second day, he was doing much better.
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1:20 - 1:22They were starting to
run out of penicillin, -
1:22 - 1:24so what they would do
was run with his urine -
1:24 - 1:27across the road to re-synthesize
the penicillin from his urine -
1:27 - 1:29and give it back to him,
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1:29 - 1:30and that worked.
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1:30 - 1:32Day four, well on the way to recovery.
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1:32 - 1:34This was a miracle.
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1:34 - 1:38Day five, they ran out of penicillin,
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1:38 - 1:41and the poor man died.
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1:41 - 1:43So that story didn't end that well,
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1:43 - 1:48but fortunately for
millions of other people, -
1:48 - 1:51like this child who was treated
again in the early 1940s, -
1:51 - 1:54who was again dying of a sepsis,
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1:54 - 1:57and within just six days, you can see,
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1:57 - 2:00recovered thanks to this
wonder drug, penicillin. -
2:00 - 2:02Millions have lived,
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2:02 - 2:06and global health has been transformed.
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2:06 - 2:09Now, antibiotics have been used
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2:09 - 2:12for patients like this,
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2:12 - 2:14but they've also been
used rather frivolously -
2:14 - 2:16in some instances,
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2:16 - 2:18for treating someone
with just a cold or the flu, -
2:18 - 2:20which they might not have
responded to an antibiotic, -
2:20 - 2:24and they've also been
used in large quantities -
2:24 - 2:28sub-therapeutically, which
means in small concentrations, -
2:28 - 2:31to make chicken and hogs grow faster.
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2:31 - 2:35Just to save a few pennies
on the price of meat, -
2:35 - 2:37we've spent a lot of
antibiotics on animals, -
2:37 - 2:40not for treatment, not for sick animals,
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2:40 - 2:43but primarily for growth promotion.
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2:43 - 2:46Now, what did that lead us to?
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2:46 - 2:48Basically, the massive use of antibiotics
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2:48 - 2:50around the world
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2:50 - 2:54has imposed such large
selection pressure on bacteria -
2:54 - 2:56that resistance is now a problem,
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2:56 - 2:58because we've now selected for just
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2:58 - 3:00the resistant bacteria.
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3:00 - 3:03And I'm sure you've all read
about this in the newspapers, -
3:03 - 3:05you've seen this in every magazine
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3:05 - 3:07that you come across,
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3:07 - 3:08but I really want you to appreciate
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3:08 - 3:10the significance of this problem.
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3:10 - 3:12This is serious.
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3:12 - 3:17The next slide I'm about to show you is
of carbapenem resistance in acinetobacter. -
3:17 - 3:19Acinetobacter is a nasty hospital bug,
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3:19 - 3:20and carbapenem is pretty much
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3:20 - 3:22the strongest class of antibiotics
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3:22 - 3:25that we can throw at this bug.
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3:25 - 3:28And you can see in 1999
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3:28 - 3:30this is the pattern of resistance,
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3:30 - 3:33mostly under about 10 percent
across the United States. -
3:33 - 3:37Now watch what happens
when we play the video. -
3:46 - 3:49So I don't know where you live,
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3:49 - 3:51but wherever it is, it certainly is a lot worse now
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3:51 - 3:54than it was in 1999,
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3:54 - 3:58and that is the problem of antibiotic resistance.
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3:58 - 4:00It's a global issue
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4:00 - 4:02affecting both rich and poor countries,
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4:02 - 4:04and at the heart of it,
you might say, well, -
4:04 - 4:06isn't this really just a medical issue?
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4:06 - 4:09If we taught doctors how not
to use antibiotics as much, -
4:09 - 4:12if we taught patients how
not to demand antibiotics, -
4:12 - 4:13perhaps this really wouldn't be an issue,
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4:13 - 4:15and maybe the pharmaceutical companies
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4:15 - 4:17should be working harder to develop
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4:17 - 4:19more antibiotics.
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4:19 - 4:22Now, it turns out that there's something
fundamental about antibiotics -
4:22 - 4:24which makes it different from other drugs,
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4:24 - 4:26which is that if I misuse antibiotics
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4:26 - 4:27or I use antibiotics,
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4:27 - 4:31not only am I affected but
others are affected as well, -
4:31 - 4:34in the same way as if I
choose to drive to work -
4:34 - 4:36or take a plane to go somewhere,
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4:36 - 4:38that the costs I impose on others
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4:38 - 4:41through global climate change go everywhere,
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4:41 - 4:43and I don't necessarily take
these costs into consideration. -
4:43 - 4:46This is what economists might
call a problem of the commons, -
4:46 - 4:48and the problem of the commons is exactly
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4:48 - 4:51what we face in the case
of antibiotics as well: -
4:51 - 4:53that we don't consider —
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4:53 - 4:56and we, including individuals, patients,
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4:56 - 4:59hospitals, entire health systems —
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4:59 - 5:01do not consider the costs
that they impose on others -
5:01 - 5:04by the way antibiotics are actually used.
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5:04 - 5:06Now, that's a problem that's similar
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5:06 - 5:08to another area that we all know about,
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5:08 - 5:10which is of fuel use and energy,
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5:10 - 5:11and of course energy use
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5:11 - 5:14both depletes energy as well as
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5:14 - 5:18leads to local pollution
and climate change. -
5:18 - 5:20And typically, in the case of energy,
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5:20 - 5:22there are two ways in which
you can deal with the problem. -
5:22 - 5:26One is, we can make better
use of the oil that we have, -
5:26 - 5:28and that's analogous to making better use
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5:28 - 5:29of existing antibiotics,
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5:29 - 5:31and we can do this in a number of ways
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5:31 - 5:33that we'll talk about in a second,
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5:33 - 5:37but the other option is the
"drill, baby, drill" option, -
5:37 - 5:41which in the case of antibiotics
is to go find new antibiotics. -
5:41 - 5:43Now, these are not separate.
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5:43 - 5:47They're related, because if we invest heavily
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5:47 - 5:49in new oil wells,
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5:49 - 5:52we reduce the incentives
for conservation of oil -
5:52 - 5:54in the same way that's going
to happen for antibiotics. -
5:54 - 5:56The reverse is also going
to happen, which is that -
5:56 - 5:59if we use our antibiotics appropriately,
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5:59 - 6:02we don't necessarily have
to make the investments -
6:02 - 6:04in new drug development.
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6:04 - 6:06And if you thought that these two were entirely,
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6:06 - 6:08fully balanced between these two options,
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6:08 - 6:10you might consider the fact that
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6:10 - 6:13this is really a game that we're playing.
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6:13 - 6:15The game is really one of coevolution,
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6:15 - 6:18and coevolution is, in
this particular picture, -
6:18 - 6:20between cheetahs and gazelles.
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6:20 - 6:22Cheetahs have evolved to run faster,
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6:22 - 6:24because if they didn't run faster,
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6:24 - 6:26they wouldn't get any lunch.
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6:26 - 6:28Gazelles have evolved to run faster because
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6:28 - 6:32if they don't run faster, they would be lunch.
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6:32 - 6:34Now, this is the game we're
playing against the bacteria, -
6:34 - 6:36except we're not the cheetahs,
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6:36 - 6:38we're the gazelles,
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6:38 - 6:41and the bacteria would,
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6:41 - 6:43just in the course of this little talk,
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6:43 - 6:44would have had kids and grandkids
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6:44 - 6:46and figured out how to be resistant
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6:46 - 6:49just by selection and trial and error,
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6:49 - 6:51trying it over and over again.
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6:51 - 6:55Whereas how do we stay
ahead of the bacteria? -
6:55 - 6:57We have drug discovery processes,
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6:57 - 6:58screening molecules,
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6:58 - 7:00we have clinical trials,
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7:00 - 7:02and then, when we think we have a drug,
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7:02 - 7:06then we have the FDA regulatory process.
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7:06 - 7:08And once we go through all of that,
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7:08 - 7:10then we try to stay one step ahead
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7:10 - 7:13of the bacteria.
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7:13 - 7:15Now, this is clearly not a
game that can be sustained, -
7:15 - 7:16or one that we can win
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7:16 - 7:18by simply innovating to stay ahead.
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7:18 - 7:22We've got to slow the pace of coevolution down,
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7:22 - 7:25and there are ideas that we
can borrow from energy -
7:25 - 7:27that are helpful in thinking about
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7:27 - 7:29how we might want to do this in the case
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7:29 - 7:30of antibiotics as well.
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7:30 - 7:32Now, if you think about how we deal with
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7:32 - 7:34energy pricing, for instance,
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7:34 - 7:36we consider emissions taxes,
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7:36 - 7:38which means we're imposing
the costs of pollution -
7:38 - 7:41on people who actually use that energy.
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7:41 - 7:44We might consider doing that for antibiotics as well,
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7:44 - 7:47and perhaps that would make sure that antibiotics
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7:47 - 7:49actually get used appropriately.
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7:49 - 7:51There are clean energy subsidies,
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7:51 - 7:54which are to switch to fuels
which don't pollute as much -
7:54 - 7:57or perhaps don't need fossil fuels.
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7:57 - 8:00Now, the analogy here is, perhaps we need
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8:00 - 8:02to move away from using antibiotics,
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8:02 - 8:06and if you think about it, what are
good substitutes for antibiotics? -
8:06 - 8:08Well, turns out that anything that reduces
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8:08 - 8:10the need for the antibiotic would really work,
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8:10 - 8:13so that could include improving
hospital infection control -
8:13 - 8:16or vaccinating people,
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8:16 - 8:19particularly against
the seasonal influenza. -
8:19 - 8:21And the seasonal flu is probably
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8:21 - 8:24the biggest driver of antibiotic use,
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8:24 - 8:27both in this country as well
as in many other countries, -
8:27 - 8:29and that could really help.
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8:29 - 8:33A third option might include
something like tradeable permits. -
8:33 - 8:38And these seem like faraway scenarios,
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8:38 - 8:40but if you consider the
fact that we might not -
8:40 - 8:43have antibiotics for many
people who have infections, -
8:43 - 8:46we might consider the fact that we might
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8:46 - 8:48want to allocate who actually gets to use
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8:48 - 8:51some of these antibiotics over others,
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8:51 - 8:54and some of these might have to
be on the basis of clinical need, -
8:54 - 8:56but also on the basis of pricing.
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8:56 - 8:58And certainly consumer education works.
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8:58 - 9:00Very often, people overuse antibiotics
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9:00 - 9:03or prescribe too much without necessarily
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9:03 - 9:04knowing that they do so,
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9:04 - 9:06and feedback mechanisms
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9:06 - 9:08have been found to be useful,
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9:08 - 9:09both on energy —
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9:09 - 9:11When you tell someone that they're using
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9:11 - 9:13a lot of energy during peak hour,
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9:13 - 9:14they tend to cut back,
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9:14 - 9:16and the same sort of example has been performed
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9:16 - 9:18even in the case of antibiotics.
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9:18 - 9:20A hospital in St. Louis basically would put up
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9:20 - 9:24on a chart the names of surgeons
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9:24 - 9:26in the ordering of how much antibiotics they'd used
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9:26 - 9:28in the previous month,
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9:28 - 9:31and this was purely an
informational feedback, -
9:31 - 9:32there was no shaming,
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9:32 - 9:34but essentially that provided
some information back -
9:34 - 9:36to surgeons that maybe they could rethink
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9:36 - 9:38how they were using antibiotics.
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9:38 - 9:40Now, there's a lot that can be done
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9:40 - 9:42on the supply side as well.
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9:42 - 9:44If you look at the price of penicillin,
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9:44 - 9:46the cost per day is about 10 cents.
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9:46 - 9:48It's a fairly cheap drug.
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9:48 - 9:50If you take drugs that have
been introduced since then — -
9:50 - 9:52linezolid or daptomycin —
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9:52 - 9:54those are significantly more expensive,
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9:54 - 10:00so to a world that has been used to
paying 10 cents a day for antibiotics, -
10:00 - 10:02the idea of paying 180 dollars per day
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10:02 - 10:04seems like a lot.
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10:04 - 10:06But what is that really telling us?
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10:06 - 10:08That price is telling us
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10:08 - 10:10that we should no longer
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10:10 - 10:14take cheap, effective
antibiotics as a given -
10:14 - 10:15into the foreseeable future,
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10:15 - 10:18and that price is a signal to us
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10:18 - 10:20that perhaps we need to be paying
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10:20 - 10:22much more attention to conservation.
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10:22 - 10:25That price is also a signal
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10:25 - 10:28that maybe we need to start
looking at other technologies, -
10:28 - 10:30in the same way that
gasoline prices are a signal -
10:30 - 10:33and an impetus, to, say,
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10:33 - 10:35the development of electric cars.
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10:35 - 10:37Prices are important signals
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10:37 - 10:38and we need to pay attention,
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10:38 - 10:41but we also need to consider the fact that
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10:41 - 10:45although these high prices
seem unusual for antibiotics, -
10:45 - 10:47they're nothing compared to the price per day
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10:47 - 10:49of some cancer drugs,
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10:49 - 10:52which might save a patient's life only
for a few months or perhaps a year, -
10:52 - 10:54whereas antibiotics would potentially
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10:54 - 10:56save a patient's life forever.
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10:56 - 10:57So this is going to involve
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10:57 - 10:59a whole new paradigm shift,
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10:59 - 11:01and it's also a scary shift because
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11:01 - 11:03in many parts of this country,
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11:03 - 11:05in many parts of the world,
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11:05 - 11:07the idea of paying 200 dollars
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11:07 - 11:10for a day of antibiotic treatment
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11:10 - 11:12is simply unimaginable.
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11:12 - 11:14So we need to think about that.
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11:14 - 11:16Now, there are backstop options,
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11:16 - 11:18which is other alternative technologies
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11:18 - 11:20that people are working on.
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11:20 - 11:22It includes bacteriophages, probiotics,
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11:22 - 11:26quorum sensing, synbiotics.
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11:26 - 11:29Now, all of these are useful avenues to pursue,
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11:29 - 11:32and they will become even more lucrative
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11:32 - 11:35when the price of new
antibiotics starts going higher, -
11:35 - 11:38and we've seen that the
market does actually respond, -
11:38 - 11:40and the government is now considering
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11:40 - 11:44ways of subsidizing new
antibiotics and development. -
11:44 - 11:45But there are challenges here.
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11:45 - 11:47We don't want to just throw money at a problem.
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11:47 - 11:49What we want to be able to do
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11:49 - 11:51is invest in new antibiotics
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11:51 - 11:54in ways that actually encourage
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11:54 - 11:57appropriate use and sales of those antibiotics,
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11:57 - 11:59and that really is the challenge here.
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11:59 - 12:02Now, going back to these technologies,
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12:02 - 12:04you all remember the line from that famous
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12:04 - 12:06dinosaur film, "Nature will find a way."
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12:06 - 12:10So it's not as if these are
permanent solutions. -
12:10 - 12:14We really have to remember that,
whatever the technology might be, -
12:14 - 12:16that nature will find some
way to work around it. -
12:16 - 12:19You might think, well,
this is just a problem -
12:19 - 12:21just with antibiotics and with bacteria,
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12:21 - 12:23but it turns out that we
have the exact same -
12:23 - 12:26identical problem in
many other fields as well, -
12:26 - 12:29with multidrug-resistant tuberculosis,
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12:29 - 12:32which is a serious problem
in India and South Africa. -
12:32 - 12:34Thousands of patients are dying because
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12:34 - 12:36the second-line drugs are so expensive,
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12:36 - 12:38and in some instances, even those don't work
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12:38 - 12:40and you have XDR TB.
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12:40 - 12:42Viruses are becoming resistant.
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12:42 - 12:45Agricultural pests. Malaria parasites.
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12:45 - 12:47Right now, much of the world depends on
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12:47 - 12:51one drug, artemisinin drugs,
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12:51 - 12:53essentially to treat malaria.
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12:53 - 12:55Resistance to artemisinin has already emerged,
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12:55 - 12:58and if this were to become widespread,
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12:58 - 12:59that puts at risk
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12:59 - 13:02the single drug that we have to
treat malaria around the world -
13:02 - 13:05in a way that's currently
safe and efficacious. -
13:05 - 13:07Mosquitos develop resistance.
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13:07 - 13:09If you have kids, you probably
know about head lice, -
13:09 - 13:11and if you're from New York City,
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13:11 - 13:14I understand that the
specialty there is bedbugs. -
13:14 - 13:16So those are also resistant.
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13:16 - 13:19And we have to bring an
example from across the pond. -
13:19 - 13:21Turns out that rats are
also resistant to poisons. -
13:21 - 13:24Now, what's common
to all of these things is -
13:24 - 13:27the idea that we've had these technologies
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13:27 - 13:31to control nature only for
the last 70, 80 or 100 years -
13:31 - 13:34and essentially in a blink,
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13:34 - 13:37we have squandered our ability to control,
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13:37 - 13:39because we have not recognized
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13:39 - 13:42that natural selection and
evolution was going to find -
13:42 - 13:43a way to get back,
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13:43 - 13:45and we need to completely rethink
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13:45 - 13:48how we're going to use
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13:48 - 13:51measures to control biological organisms,
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13:51 - 13:54and rethink how we incentivize
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13:54 - 13:56the development, introduction,
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13:56 - 13:59in the case of antibiotics prescription,
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13:59 - 14:03and use of these valuable resources.
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14:03 - 14:05And we really now need to
start thinking about them -
14:05 - 14:07as natural resources.
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14:07 - 14:09And so we stand at a crossroads.
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14:09 - 14:13An option is to go through that rethinking
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14:13 - 14:14and carefully consider incentives
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14:14 - 14:17to change how we do business.
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14:17 - 14:19The alternative is
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14:19 - 14:22a world in which even a blade of grass
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14:22 - 14:25is a potentially lethal weapon.
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14:25 - 14:27Thank you.
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14:27 - 14:29(Applause)
- Title:
- The coming crisis in antibiotics
- Speaker:
- Ramanan Laxminarayan
- Description:
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Antibiotic drugs save lives. But we simply use them too much — and often for non-lifesaving purposes, like treating the flu and even raising cheaper chickens. The result, says researcher Ramanan Laxminarayan, is that the drugs will stop working for everyone, as the bacteria they target grow more and more resistant. He calls on all of us (patients and doctors alike) to think of antibiotics — and their ongoing effectiveness — as a finite resource, and to think twice before we tap into it. It’s a sobering look at how global medical trends can strike home.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 14:42
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