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Anita: I’m currently speaking to you from
 a cab in a police car.
 
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And the pigs are being herded off to the kill
 floor.
 
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They should be shown mercy, not herded to
 the gas chambers.
 
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Show some mercy. 
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Save the pigs. 
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Call Fearmans. 
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Everybody, please call Fearmans. 
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Police Officer: I’m going to have to take
 it while we’re driving, though.
 
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You can’t have it while you’re driving. 
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You are currently in custody, which means
 you don’t get any possessions, okay?
 
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Anita: Okay I understand, I understand. Sorry, Officer.
 Police Officer: Thank you.
 
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Hi it's Emily from Bite Size Vegan and welcome
 to another vegan nugget.
 
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November 1, 2016 marked the 22nd year of celebrating
 World Vegan day and, appropriately enough,
 
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the resumption of the criminal trial in Canada
 that’s thrust animal rights and veganism
 
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onto the international stage. 
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Animal activist and co-founder of Toronto
 Pig Save, Anita Krajnc, is facing 6 months
 
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in jail and a $5,000 fine for giving water
 to thirsty pigs on their way to slaughter.
 
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For more details on the incident itself, please
 see my interview with Anita from January 2016,
 
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linked in the side bar and below. 
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Just prior to the November 1 court date, I
 spoke with Anita and James, another key organizer
 
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for Toronto Pig Save—and the man behind
 Twitter’s Veganoso—about the trial’s
 
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proceedings and impact thus far. 
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The defense in this case, led by vegan lawyers
 Gary Grill and James Silver, has taken a unique
 
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approach: 
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Anita: The key defense we’re using is the
 idea that everyone has the duty to bear witness.
 
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That’s our defense. 
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Right at the beginning when I testified I
 said our mission is to create a nonviolent
 
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vegan world, to promote the idea that everybody
 has a duty to bear witness and to promote
 
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a cultural shift so that people no longer
 think it’s ok to say, “I don’t want
 
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to see.” 
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“It’s too hard.” 
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“It might change how I eat.” and then
 people say that’s an acceptable answer.
 
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We want to actually promote a cultural shift
 where people say, that “I want to live up
 
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to my duty to bear witness. 
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I want to bear witness.” 
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And the way we’re sort of presenting it
 is that, as animal lovers, we’re willing
 
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to suffer and willing to sacrifice in order
 to promote social change.
 
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So saying something like “Oh it’s too
 hard to look” or “I am going to have an
 
- 
emotional breakdown”—that’s ok. 
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It’s actually ok to suffer in order to help
 animals, ‘cause the history of social change
 
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has occurred because of that, and people like
 Leo Tolstoy and Mahatma Gandhi tried to redefine
 
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or reinterpret the notions of self-sacrifice
 and suffering.
 
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Because that’s how social change happens. 
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At our trial, when we talk about animals,
 we talk about animals as individuals and not
 
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as property. 
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The classic, sort of, line from the driver
 in this incident was, “They’re not human.”
 
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I said “If they’re thirsty, give them
 water” and he said “they’re not human.”
 
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James: And if there was a dog in a hot car
 it would be a duty to help that dog, to break
 
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the window to let the dog out. 
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So there’s no fundamental difference between
 a dog and a pig so why would there be a different
 
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standard on how you treat pigs? 
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This is not just a convenient analogy. 
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The same year Anita was charged for giving
 water to dehydrated pigs, a woman in British
 
- 
Columbia was sentenced to jail for the death
 of six dogs she left in her truck on a hot
 
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day. 
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The truck driver who confronted Anita was
 hauling 190 pigs in severe heat without any
 
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access to water or adequate ventilation. 
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That year, in Canada alone, 14,212 pigs died
 on their way to slaughter.
 
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And then we quoted Tolstoy, saying “when
 we wish to harm others we really do evil to
 
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ourselves.” 
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That one line brings together all the arguments
 that we had.
 
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So there’s a unity of life— we’re all
 equal.
 
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Animals are individuals just like we are and
 deserve respect and love.
 
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And if we don’t treat them that way, we’re
 hurting animals, but we’re also going to
 
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destroy the planet. 
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I asked Anita and James to share any memorable
 or powerful moments from the trial thus far:
 
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Anita: There were a number of memorable times
 in court.
 
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I think when my lawyer—vegan lawyer—James
 Silver cross-examined the truck driver, Jeff,
 
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he was able to establish the real motivation
 for charging me.
 
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And that was, that they wanted to shut us
 down.
 
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So he established how much money the industry
 makes, how much that factory farm makes, what
 
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were the discussions and why were they concerned
 about us.
 
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Yes, he wasn't concerned about what was in
 the water or that I gave water—because I
 
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offered him a free sample. 
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What was really behind this was the motivation
 that we were hurting the bottom line of the
 
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industry. 
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It was such an incredible moment, you know,
 the truth was revealed.
 
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And then another amazing moment was when he
 cross-examined the farmer, Mr. Van Boekel,
 
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about how the sows were treated, and I got
 some of the most heartbreaking moments because
 
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he talked about how he had hundreds of sows
 and they were in these crates where they can't
 
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turn around, their babies were taken away,
 and then they were put back into a general
 
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pen and then within five or six days they
 were re-impregnated.
 
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And then again. 
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So their life was a constant cycle, it was
 just heartbreaking.
 
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There were so many moments that were very
 revealing.
 
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When I testified, there were a lot of moments
 that I found very memorable cause I was able
 
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to say what I really thought and believed. 
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What really got me was we were able to show
 the pig preserve video.
 
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It just shows who pigs are and it 
 was like a 13-minute video.
 
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Well, I've been listening to these guys for about 
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26 years. I think they have about 40 different vocalizations 
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but they combine those with body language 
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and so a different vocalization with one body language 
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is different from the same vocalization with a different body language. 
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And I think when you combine the two they probably got a vocabulary amongst themselves 
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of probably a 100, 120, 150 
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different communications. 
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[Happy grunting.] Richard:Oh yeah....Yeah I know. [Laughter.] 
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Because I am happy pig. [grunting] 
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I am happy pig. [grunting] 
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Lauren: So they do this. It seems that he is very happy. 
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Richard:Oh yeah! 
 Lauren: So happy to have all this space.
 
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So in regards to being like in a factory farm this space is, you know, 
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the type of space that pigs would in the wild be roaming in. Would you say? 
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Richard: Well yeah if you understand it in—truly in the wild, these are nomadic animals. 
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This is just a good lifestyle for a pig. This is the lifestyle they were meant to live. 
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Yeah. Um, typically when I put a pig down, I give the group an hour or so 
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and they'll come up usually one at a time and say their goodbyes. Right. 
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But it varies from social group to social group. 
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But they all do mourn. 
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When... They come up to the pig that is?? 
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They nose them all around and they talk to em 
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and try to get em up 
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I was just so happy we got to show that, and 
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then after that we showed footage of the gas
 chamber.
 
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To me, like the truth—we’re telling the
 truth, and so for me those were high points.
 
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James: I think for me, the whole case has
 been so captivating.
 
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The level of interest—every day the courthouse
 has been packed, there’s been people waiting
 
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outside trying to get in. 
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In terms of content, just the lack of emotion
 and lack of empathy from their side has been
 
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quite disturbing. 
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Because they’re watching the same images
 that we’re seeing on the screens and the
 
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disconnect I think is so strong of people
 that work in the industry.
 
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Anita: Mr. Van Boekel and maybe ten or so
 farmers came to my trial date when I testified.
 
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It was a packed courtroom, people were sitting
 on the floor and people were watching the
 
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farmers and you know, sometimes they were sort of like joking about it, things like that. 
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[James: A lot of them were joking] 
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But when the pig preserve video was shown:
 who pigs really are, they were paying attention.
 
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Richard Hoyle is an ex marine and pigs were shown in a different light of who they really are. 
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And I think it touched some of them. 
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I believe that this pig trial is touching
 some of them.
 
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The pig trial was presenting the truth and
 at the end of the day, that’s what’s going
 
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to change the world. 
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And I believe we even touched the factory
 farm industry.
 
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And there was one article in an animal ag.
 magazine that said ‘Mr. Van Boekel is fighting
 
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this alone. 
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Where’s the pork council? 
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Where are they?’ 
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And I think this is such a strong case that
 they have a lot of trouble defending.
 
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That’s the incredible thing about this trial. 
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It has managed to place the prosecution on
 the defense, and the rights and individuality
 
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of non-human animals at the center of debate. 
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Anita’s lawyers have called a handful of
 expert witnesses throughout the trial so far.
 
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As this interview was filmed prior to the
 November 1 session, I’ll include live tweets
 
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of the testimony onscreen for the witnesses
 that day.
 
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Anita: Dr. May is a veterinarian and she was
 the first expert witness to testify.
 
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And one of the most revealing parts of her
 testimony was, she looked at the video, where
 
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I gave water to the pigs, and then she counted
 the number of pants and she said some of the
 
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pigs were panting at 200 pants per minute. 
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She said they were in severe distress. 
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On November 1st we have two expert witnesses. 
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Dr. Lori Marino, she’s going to talk about
 pig personality, intelligence, sentience.
 
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She’s a foremost cognitive behaviorist. 
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Then we have Dr. David Jenkins. 
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He’s a professor at the university of Toronto. 
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He invented the glycemic index. 
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And he’s an outspoken vegan. 
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And he will be talking about the health benefits
 of a plant based diet and the incredible health
 
- 
impacts of eating meat, dairy and eggs. 
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And then finally on November 10th we will
 have our expert witness on the environment
 
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Dr. Tony Weis who’s professor of geography
 at the University of Western Ontario.
 
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And he’s going to talk about the impact
 of animal agriculture on climate change, ocean
 
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dead zones, deforestation, species extinction,
 water use, water pollution and other issues.
 
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The Pig Trial has drawn the attention and
 support of celebrities like vegan musician,
 
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DJ, photographer and animal activist Moby,
 actress and model Maggie Q, who stood in solidarity
 
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with Anita on November 1, 
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The most important thing that we're promoting today 
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um, when it come to Anita's case 
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is that compassion is not a crime. That's what it says on my shirt. 
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and the founder of PETA, Ingrid Newkirk, who has flown out to Toronto for the trial to show her support. 
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5 million of our members and supporters are watching Burlington 
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and want to know what's happening. We think of kindness as a virtue 
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and not as something to be punished. 
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The broad exposure of the trial speaks to
 the two primary goals of The Save Movement:
 
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to bear witness to the individuals suffering
 in the trucks and to document the experience
 
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to share with the world. 
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Having myself attended a number of vigils
 with Toronto Pig Save, and Manchester and
 
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Essex Pig Saves in the UK, I can personally
 attest to the incredible impact of bearing
 
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witness and publishing the images
 for the world to see.
 
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[Pigs screaming in fear, pain and terror, 
 gas chamber machinery churning.]
 
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They're being slapped right now! 
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[Pigs screaming continually.] 
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Anita: We want people to see what we see and when we look inside a truck we see individuals, 
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pigs, cows and chickens who want to live. 
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James: When you show the victims, when you
 see their faces, when you look in their eyes
 
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and you see them as individuals it really
 helps people connect and have empathy.
 
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Anita: When any of us are at vigils, and we
 go up to the pigs or the cows or the chickens
 
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and bear witness we have a camera in hand. 
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So we’re there for the individual, we’re
 present, we say “we love you we’re sorry.”
 
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We see the individual before us but we also
 have a camera in hand because we’re trying
 
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to change the world thinking and we’re thinking
 about broader issues as well.
 
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Because of the pig trial we’re getting these
 images in the mainstream media—they even
 
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looped the video of the incident when I was
 charged from June 2015 on mainstream television.
 
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Two days day after Anita’s testimony at
 trial, a truck overturned outside of Fearmans
 
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pork, the slaughterhouse at which Anita was
 charged.
 
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We’ll hear more about the actual event later
 in this video.
 
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Anita spoke to the effect of the crash on
 the media.
 
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Anita: There’s been learning in the media. 
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I think the media has got more and more sympathetic
 as the pig trial has gone on and when we had
 
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that horrible crash a few days after I testified
 at the pig trial it just had unprecedented
 
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coverage because usually the coverage is either
 to ignore it or to say no one was hurt, the
 
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driver wasn’t hurt and this time the media
 was there and I think there was incredible
 
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learning. 
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We told all our activists “Go to the site
 and document.”
 
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See if that pig crash happened and there were
 no activists that went on site it would not
 
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have been as big a story and it wouldn’t
 have been reported as sympathetically.
 
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One news reporter said that this incident
 had changed her life and that she wants to
 
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go vegan. 
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There was another cameraperson from a huge
 television station that said he was vegan
 
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and his whole family was vegan. 
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So I think we’re definitely—the vegan
 movement is spreading in the mass media and
 
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it’s just an indication that it’s spreading
 across all sectors of society.
 
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The Pig Trial has managed to elicit support
 and empathy even from meat-eaters.
 
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I asked Anita and James why this case is reaching
 people when nothing else has:
 
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By and large the public is sympathetic. 
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It’s the idea of defending the Golden Rule. 
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So: “treat others as you’d like to be
 treated.”
 
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Leo Tolstoy said we should take pity on animals
 the same way we take pity on each other if
 
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we are not to deaden the voice of conscience. 
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So people understand across cultures and you know the Golden Rule is thousands of years old. 
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So the animal agricultural industry cannot
 fight the Golden Rule.
 
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And that’s what they tried to do and it’s
 backfiring.
 
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While Toronto Pig Save has been holding vigils
 and posting images of animals on their way
 
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to slaughter for five years now, this is the
 first time they’ve gained international
 
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coverage, and with an impressive reach and
 momentum at that.
 
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Anita and James spoke to what they saw as
 the driving force behind this growth:
 
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First of all the incident in and of itself,
 it’s the best possible incident you can
 
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charge someone on, like, giving water to a
 thirsty animal.
 
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So yes [that’s] an incredible incident,
 but the other factor is the fact that we are
 
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organized. 
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You know the reason this is so big is because
 there’s a social movement here, it’s not
 
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just some random woman who gave water to thirsty
 pigs and was charged.
 
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No. 
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They charged an organizer. 
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They charged an organizer who’s part of
 an organizing team that’s across Toronto.
 
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And now there’s a global movement—there’s
 like almost 90 save groups around the world,
 
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21 new save groups started in the United Kingdom. 
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We have people like grandmothers, babies—we
 have hundreds of people that come to our vigils.
 
- 
Like our biggest vigil was when you, Bite
 Size Vegan first came to one of our vigils.
 
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That was our biggest vigil back in September
 24, 2015.
 
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[On] that day we had almost 300 people. 
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So that was our biggest vigil to date. 
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Since then we’ve grown and grown and grown. 
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That's the reason we’re getting great coverage. 
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And I think it has to do with also with the
 trial.
 
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A trial is something I think that the media
 can report on.
 
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It’s hard for them to just cover our vigils,
 we’ve been doing this for more that 5 years.
 
- 
Why are we getting mainstream media coverage
 now?
 
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Why are we getting international coverage? 
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It had to do with the trial. 
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So now our images are getting out there, the
 ones that we’ve had all this time.
 
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At the end of the day the news coverage was
 that this pig trial put animal agriculture
 
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on trial. 
- 
James: Sometimes it’s almost like you forget
 that it’s Anita on trial because of the
 
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whole sense of someone there having to defend
 the truth of what they do because it’s just
 
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so abhorrent. 
- 
In our global society, there is a profound
 reversal of right and wrong surrounding our
 
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food system. 
- 
Eating a vegan diet is viewed as extreme. 
- 
Animal lovers readily consume the bodies of
 sentient beings whom they would not be able
 
- 
to bring themselves to harm. 
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A horrifically clear example of the laws protecting
 the criminal whilst criminalizing those fighting
 
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to save the victims, came on October 5, 2016. 
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The day the truck crashed at Fearmans. 
- 
Anita, fresh from her testimony in court two
 days before, was promptly arrested again not
 
- 
long after her arrival at the scene. 
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She had refused to step back from documenting
 the incident.
 
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I asked James to share some of his experience. 
- 
He alludes to a pig named Bonnie, whose story
 you can hear more in depth in the video dedicated
 
- 
to the crash linked in the sidebar and below: 
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James: As soon as I parked my car and got
 out, you could hear the pigs screaming.
 
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There was blood on the sidewalk. 
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Some pigs had escaped. 
- 
In my naïveté, I expect to find
 people that are helping the pigs and that
 
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wasn’t happening. 
- 
There were people; office workers, that were
 holding cardboard to shield the truth from
 
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us. 
- 
The cops were complicit in that. 
- 
It got worse after Anita left. 
- 
I don’t know what they’re called, but
 special unit cops arrived with tasers and
 
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it was all around hiding the truth. 
- 
We didn’t see this, so we don’t know,
 but no injured pigs came off the truck so
 
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they must have killed a lot of pigs because
 when I got there the screaming was the worst
 
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screaming and we had heard them screaming
 every single week.
 
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It was the worst screaming I had ever heard. 
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And they walked was it forty or fifty pigs
 off the truck.
 
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They shot Bonnie in front of us but there
 were no other injured pigs so I strongly suspect
 
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they killed a lot of the pigs on the truck
 because all that screaming suddenly stopped.
 
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I mean people are compassionate and people
 have empathy.
 
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This is why animal agriculture has spent so
 much time and money and effort into shielding
 
- 
the truth because if people knew what’s
 happening they would make the change they
 
- 
would go vegan. 
- 
They would not support and pay for this to
 happen
 
- 
And that’s precisely what the Pig Trial
 is accomplishing.
 
- 
In reality, it’s not so much that Anita
 or her lawyers or Toronto Pig Save came up
 
- 
with some revolutionary argument never before
 voiced by animal activists.
 
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When it comes to veganism and the rights,
 emotions, individuality, and capacity to suffer
 
- 
of non-human animals, it’s not a lack of
 compelling evidence but rather a lack of a
 
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large enough platform that hinders the reach
 of the message.
 
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And unbeknownst to the truck driver and farmer on that oppressively hot day 
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in June 2015, by confronting and having Anita
 charged they supplied that platform.
 
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For the animal products industry, so desperately
 reliant on deception and untruths, there’s
 
- 
nothing more dangerous than giving the voice
 of the animals they systematically abuse and
 
- 
kill, an international stage for their truth
 to be heard.
 
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It’s time to expose the real crimes and
 the real criminals.
 
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Please share this video far and wide to raise
 awareness and give it a thumbs-up if you are
 
- 
moved by these events. 
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 content every week.
 
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 efforts, please see the support links below
 
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or in the sidebar. 
- 
Find more information about the trial, the
 crash, and more on the blog post for this
 
- 
video linked below. 
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Now go live vegan, speak the truth, and I’ll
 see you soon.