Rethinking infidelity ... a talk for anyone who has ever loved
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0:01 - 0:02Why do we cheat?
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0:04 - 0:07And why do happy people cheat?
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0:09 - 0:13And when we say "infidelity,"
what exactly do we mean? -
0:14 - 0:21Is it a hookup, a love story,
paid sex, a chat room, -
0:21 - 0:23a massage with a happy ending?
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0:24 - 0:29Why do we think that men cheat
out of boredom and fear of intimacy, -
0:29 - 0:34but women cheat out of loneliness
and hunger for intimacy? -
0:36 - 0:40And is an affair always
the end of a relationship? -
0:41 - 0:44For the past 10 years,
I have traveled the globe -
0:44 - 0:48and worked extensively
with hundreds of couples -
0:48 - 0:50who have been shattered by infidelity.
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0:51 - 0:55There is one simple act of transgression
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0:55 - 0:59that can rob a couple
of their relationship, -
0:59 - 1:03their happiness and their
very identity: an affair. -
1:04 - 1:09And yet, this extremely common
act is so poorly understood. -
1:11 - 1:15So this talk is for anyone
who has ever loved. -
1:18 - 1:22Adultery has existed
since marriage was invented, -
1:22 - 1:24and so, too, the taboo against it.
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1:25 - 1:31In fact, infidelity has a tenacity
that marriage can only envy, -
1:31 - 1:34so much so, that this is
the only commandment -
1:34 - 1:38that is repeated twice in the Bible:
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1:38 - 1:42once for doing it, and once
just for thinking about it. -
1:42 - 1:45(Laughter)
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1:45 - 1:49So how do we reconcile
what is universally forbidden, -
1:49 - 1:51yet universally practiced?
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1:53 - 1:58Now, throughout history, men
practically had a license to cheat -
1:58 - 2:00with little consequence,
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2:00 - 2:05and supported by a host
of biological and evolutionary theories -
2:05 - 2:07that justified their need to roam,
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2:07 - 2:11so the double standard
is as old as adultery itself. -
2:12 - 2:18But who knows what's really going on
under the sheets there, right? -
2:18 - 2:20Because when it comes to sex,
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2:20 - 2:24the pressure for men
is to boast and to exaggerate, -
2:24 - 2:29but the pressure for women
is to hide, minimize and deny, -
2:29 - 2:34which isn't surprising when you consider
that there are still nine countries -
2:34 - 2:36where women can be killed for straying.
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2:38 - 2:42Now, monogamy used to be
one person for life. -
2:43 - 2:46Today, monogamy is one person at a time.
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2:46 - 2:48(Laughter)
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2:48 - 2:50(Applause)
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2:52 - 2:54I mean, many of you probably have said,
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2:54 - 2:57"I am monogamous in all my relationships."
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2:57 - 3:00(Laughter)
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3:01 - 3:02We used to marry,
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3:02 - 3:04and had sex for the first time.
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3:05 - 3:06But now we marry,
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3:06 - 3:08and we stop having sex with others.
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3:09 - 3:14The fact is that monogamy
had nothing to do with love. -
3:14 - 3:17Men relied on women's fidelity
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3:17 - 3:20in order to know whose children these are,
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3:20 - 3:22and who gets the cows when I die.
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3:24 - 3:27Now, everyone wants to know
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3:27 - 3:28what percentage of people cheat.
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3:28 - 3:32I've been asked that question
since I arrived at this conference. -
3:32 - 3:34(Laughter)
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3:34 - 3:36It applies to you.
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3:36 - 3:41But the definition of infidelity
keeps on expanding: -
3:41 - 3:46sexting, watching porn, staying
secretly active on dating apps. -
3:46 - 3:51So because there is no
universally agreed-upon definition -
3:51 - 3:54of what even constitutes an infidelity,
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3:54 - 4:00estimates vary widely,
from 26 percent to 75 percent. -
4:01 - 4:04But on top of it, we are
walking contradictions. -
4:04 - 4:08So 95 percent of us will say
that it is terribly wrong -
4:08 - 4:11for our partner to lie
about having an affair, -
4:11 - 4:13but just about the same
amount of us will say -
4:13 - 4:16that that's exactly what we
would do if we were having one. -
4:16 - 4:19(Laughter)
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4:20 - 4:24Now, I like this definition
of an affair -- -
4:24 - 4:27it brings together the three key elements:
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4:27 - 4:33a secretive relationship,
which is the core structure of an affair; -
4:33 - 4:38an emotional connection
to one degree or another; -
4:38 - 4:39and a sexual alchemy.
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4:40 - 4:43And alchemy is the key word here,
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4:43 - 4:50because the erotic frisson is such that
the kiss that you only imagine giving, -
4:50 - 4:53can be as powerful and as enchanting
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4:53 - 4:56as hours of actual lovemaking.
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4:58 - 4:59As Marcel Proust said,
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4:59 - 5:05it's our imagination that is responsible
for love, not the other person. -
5:06 - 5:10So it's never been easier to cheat,
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5:10 - 5:13and it's never been more
difficult to keep a secret. -
5:14 - 5:18And never has infidelity exacted
such a psychological toll. -
5:20 - 5:23When marriage was an economic enterprise,
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5:23 - 5:26infidelity threatened
our economic security. -
5:27 - 5:30But now that marriage
is a romantic arrangement, -
5:30 - 5:34infidelity threatens
our emotional security. -
5:34 - 5:38Ironically, we used to turn to adultery --
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5:38 - 5:41that was the space where
we sought pure love. -
5:41 - 5:43But now that we seek love in marriage,
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5:43 - 5:45adultery destroys it.
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5:47 - 5:51Now, there are three ways that I think
infidelity hurts differently today. -
5:54 - 6:00We have a romantic ideal
in which we turn to one person -
6:00 - 6:03to fulfill an endless list of needs:
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6:03 - 6:06to be my greatest lover, my best friend,
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6:06 - 6:10the best parent, my trusted confidant,
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6:10 - 6:13my emotional companion,
my intellectual equal. -
6:14 - 6:18And I am it: I'm chosen, I'm unique,
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6:18 - 6:21I'm indispensable, I'm irreplaceable,
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6:21 - 6:22I'm the one.
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6:23 - 6:27And infidelity tells me I'm not.
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6:27 - 6:29It is the ultimate betrayal.
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6:30 - 6:33Infidelity shatters
the grand ambition of love. -
6:35 - 6:40But if throughout history,
infidelity has always been painful, -
6:40 - 6:42today it is often traumatic,
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6:42 - 6:45because it threatens our sense of self.
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6:45 - 6:48So my patient Fernando, he's plagued.
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6:48 - 6:51He goes on: "I thought I knew my life.
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6:51 - 6:55I thought I knew who you were,
who we were as a couple, who I was. -
6:55 - 6:57Now, I question everything."
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6:58 - 7:03Infidelity -- a violation of trust,
a crisis of identity. -
7:03 - 7:05"Can I ever trust you again?" he asks.
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7:05 - 7:07"Can I ever trust anyone again?"
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7:09 - 7:12And this is also what my patient
Heather is telling me, -
7:12 - 7:15when she's talking to me
about her story with Nick. -
7:15 - 7:16Married, two kids.
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7:16 - 7:19Nick just left on a business trip,
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7:19 - 7:22and Heather is playing
on his iPad with the boys, -
7:22 - 7:25when she sees a message
appear on the screen: -
7:25 - 7:27"Can't wait to see you."
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7:28 - 7:30Strange, she thinks,
we just saw each other. -
7:31 - 7:32And then another message:
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7:33 - 7:35"Can't wait to hold you in my arms."
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7:36 - 7:38And Heather realizes
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7:38 - 7:40these are not for her.
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7:40 - 7:44She also tells me
that her father had affairs, -
7:44 - 7:48but her mother, she found
one little receipt in the pocket, -
7:48 - 7:50and a little bit of lipstick
on the collar. -
7:51 - 7:55Heather, she goes digging,
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7:55 - 7:58and she finds hundreds of messages,
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7:58 - 8:01and photos exchanged
and desires expressed. -
8:01 - 8:04The vivid details
of Nick's two-year affair -
8:04 - 8:07unfold in front of her in real time,
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8:08 - 8:09And it made me think:
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8:09 - 8:14Affairs in the digital age
are death by a thousand cuts. -
8:16 - 8:19But then we have another paradox
that we're dealing with these days. -
8:19 - 8:21Because of this romantic ideal,
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8:21 - 8:26we are relying on our partner's
fidelity with a unique fervor. -
8:27 - 8:31But we also have never
been more inclined to stray, -
8:31 - 8:33and not because we have new desires today,
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8:33 - 8:35but because we live in an era
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8:35 - 8:39where we feel that we are
entitled to pursue our desires, -
8:39 - 8:42because this is the culture
where I deserve to be happy. -
8:43 - 8:47And if we used to divorce
because we were unhappy, -
8:47 - 8:50today we divorce
because we could be happier. -
8:52 - 8:55And if divorce carried all the shame,
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8:55 - 8:59today, choosing to stay when you can leave
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8:59 - 9:00is the new shame.
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9:01 - 9:03So Heather, she can't talk to her friends
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9:03 - 9:06because she's afraid that they
will judge her for still loving Nick, -
9:06 - 9:10and everywhere she turns,
she gets the same advice: -
9:10 - 9:13Leave him. Throw the dog on the curb.
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9:14 - 9:19And if the situation were reversed,
Nick would be in the same situation. -
9:19 - 9:21Staying is the new shame.
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9:23 - 9:26So if we can divorce,
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9:26 - 9:28why do we still have affairs?
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9:30 - 9:35Now, the typical assumption
is that if someone cheats, -
9:35 - 9:38either there's something wrong
in your relationship or wrong with you. -
9:39 - 9:43But millions of people
can't all be pathological. -
9:44 - 9:48The logic goes like this: If you
have everything you need at home, -
9:48 - 9:52then there is no need
to go looking elsewhere, -
9:52 - 9:55assuming that there is such
a thing as a perfect marriage -
9:55 - 9:58that will inoculate us against wanderlust.
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9:59 - 10:02But what if passion
has a finite shelf life? -
10:04 - 10:07What if there are things
that even a good relationship -
10:07 - 10:09can never provide?
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10:10 - 10:13If even happy people cheat,
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10:13 - 10:15what is it about?
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10:17 - 10:20The vast majority of people
that I actually work with -
10:20 - 10:22are not at all chronic philanderers.
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10:22 - 10:26They are often people who are
deeply monogamous in their beliefs, -
10:26 - 10:28and at least for their partner.
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10:29 - 10:32But they find themselves in a conflict
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10:32 - 10:35between their values and their behavior.
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10:36 - 10:40They often are people who have
actually been faithful for decades, -
10:40 - 10:43but one day they cross a line
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10:43 - 10:45that they never thought they would cross,
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10:45 - 10:48and at the risk of losing everything.
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10:49 - 10:51But for a glimmer of what?
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10:52 - 10:55Affairs are an act of betrayal,
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10:55 - 10:58and they are also an expression
of longing and loss. -
10:59 - 11:03At the heart of an affair,
you will often find -
11:03 - 11:07a longing and a yearning
for an emotional connection, -
11:07 - 11:13for novelty, for freedom,
for autonomy, for sexual intensity, -
11:13 - 11:16a wish to recapture
lost parts of ourselves -
11:16 - 11:22or an attempt to bring back
vitality in the face of loss and tragedy. -
11:23 - 11:26I'm thinking about
another patient of mine, Priya, -
11:26 - 11:28who is blissfully married,
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11:28 - 11:30loves her husband,
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11:30 - 11:32and would never want to hurt the man.
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11:33 - 11:35But she also tells me
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11:35 - 11:38that she's always done
what was expected of her: -
11:38 - 11:42good girl, good wife, good mother,
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11:42 - 11:45taking care of her immigrant parents.
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11:45 - 11:49Priya, she fell for the arborist
who removed the tree from her yard -
11:49 - 11:51after Hurricane Sandy.
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11:52 - 11:56And with his truck and his tattoos,
he's quite the opposite of her. -
11:58 - 12:03But at 47, Priya's affair is about
the adolescence that she never had. -
12:04 - 12:09And her story highlights for me
that when we seek the gaze of another, -
12:09 - 12:14it isn't always our partner
that we are turning away from, -
12:14 - 12:17but the person that
we have ourselves become. -
12:18 - 12:21And it isn't so much that we're
looking for another person, -
12:21 - 12:25as much as we are
looking for another self. -
12:27 - 12:29Now, all over the world,
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12:29 - 12:32there is one word that people
who have affairs always tell me. -
12:33 - 12:35They feel alive.
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12:36 - 12:40And they often will tell me
stories of recent losses -- -
12:40 - 12:42of a parent who died,
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12:42 - 12:44and a friend that went too soon,
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12:44 - 12:46and bad news at the doctor.
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12:47 - 12:52Death and mortality often live
in the shadow of an affair, -
12:52 - 12:55because they raise these questions.
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12:55 - 12:58Is this it? Is there more?
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12:58 - 13:01Am I going on for another
25 years like this? -
13:02 - 13:04Will I ever feel that thing again?
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13:06 - 13:11And it has led me to think
that perhaps these questions -
13:11 - 13:14are the ones that propel
people to cross the line, -
13:14 - 13:18and that some affairs are
an attempt to beat back deadness, -
13:18 - 13:20in an antidote to death.
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13:22 - 13:25And contrary to what you may think,
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13:25 - 13:30affairs are way less about sex,
and a lot more about desire: -
13:30 - 13:33desire for attention,
desire to feel special, -
13:33 - 13:35desire to feel important.
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13:36 - 13:39And the very structure of an affair,
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13:39 - 13:41the fact that you can
never have your lover, -
13:42 - 13:43keeps you wanting.
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13:43 - 13:46That in itself is a desire machine,
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13:46 - 13:49because the incompleteness, the ambiguity,
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13:49 - 13:52keeps you wanting
that which you can't have. -
13:54 - 13:55Now some of you probably think
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13:55 - 13:59that affairs don't happen
in open relationships, -
13:59 - 14:00but they do.
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14:00 - 14:04First of all, the conversation
about monogamy is not the same -
14:04 - 14:06as the conversation about infidelity.
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14:06 - 14:10But the fact is that it seems
that even when we have -
14:10 - 14:13the freedom to have other sexual partners,
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14:13 - 14:17we still seem to be lured
by the power of the forbidden, -
14:17 - 14:20that if we do that which
we are not supposed to do, -
14:20 - 14:23then we feel like we are really
doing what we want to. -
14:25 - 14:29And I've also told
quite a few of my patients -
14:29 - 14:34that if they could bring
into their relationships -
14:34 - 14:37one tenth of the boldness,
the imagination and the verve -
14:37 - 14:39that they put into their affairs,
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14:39 - 14:41they probably would never need to see me.
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14:41 - 14:43(Laughter)
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14:44 - 14:47So how do we heal from an affair?
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14:48 - 14:50Desire runs deep.
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14:50 - 14:52Betrayal runs deep.
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14:53 - 14:55But it can be healed.
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14:56 - 14:59And some affairs are death knells
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14:59 - 15:02for relationships that were
already dying on the vine. -
15:03 - 15:06But others will jolt us
into new possibilities. -
15:06 - 15:08The fact is, the majority of couples
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15:08 - 15:10who have experienced
affairs stay together. -
15:11 - 15:13But some of them will merely survive,
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15:13 - 15:18and others will actually be able
to turn a crisis into an opportunity. -
15:19 - 15:22They'll be able to turn this
into a generative experience. -
15:22 - 15:26And I'm actually thinking even
more so for the deceived partner, -
15:26 - 15:28who will often say,
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15:28 - 15:29"You think I didn't want more?
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15:29 - 15:31But I'm not the one who did it."
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15:32 - 15:34But now that the affair is exposed,
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15:34 - 15:36they, too, get to claim more,
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15:36 - 15:39and they no longer have
to uphold the status quo -
15:39 - 15:42that may not have been working
for them that well, either. -
15:44 - 15:47I've noticed that a lot of couples,
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15:47 - 15:49in the immediate aftermath of an affair,
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15:49 - 15:54because of this new disorder
that may actually lead to a new order, -
15:54 - 15:57will have depths of conversations
with honesty and openness -
15:57 - 15:59that they haven't had in decades.
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16:00 - 16:03And, partners who were
sexually indifferent -
16:03 - 16:05find themselves suddenly
so lustfully voracious, -
16:05 - 16:08they don't know where it's coming from.
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16:09 - 16:13Something about the fear
of loss will rekindle desire, -
16:13 - 16:16and make way for an entirely
new kind of truth. -
16:18 - 16:21So when an affair is exposed,
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16:21 - 16:24what are some of the specific things
that couples can do? -
16:26 - 16:30We know from trauma that healing begins
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16:30 - 16:34when the perpetrator
acknowledges their wrongdoing. -
16:35 - 16:39So for the partner who had the affair,
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16:39 - 16:41for Nick,
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16:41 - 16:42one thing is to end the affair,
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16:42 - 16:47but the other is the essential,
important act of expressing -
16:47 - 16:50guilt and remorse for hurting his wife.
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16:51 - 16:52But the truth is
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16:52 - 16:55that I have noticed that quite a lot
of people who have affairs -
16:55 - 16:58may feel terribly guilty
for hurting their partner, -
16:58 - 17:02but they don't feel guilty
for the experience of the affair itself. -
17:02 - 17:04And that distinction is important.
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17:05 - 17:09And Nick, he needs to hold
vigil for the relationship. -
17:09 - 17:12He needs to become, for a while,
the protector of the boundaries. -
17:12 - 17:15It's his responsibility to bring it up,
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17:15 - 17:17because if he thinks about it,
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17:17 - 17:20he can relieve Heather from the obsession,
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17:20 - 17:23and from having to make sure
that the affair isn't forgotten, -
17:23 - 17:26and that in itself
begins to restore trust. -
17:28 - 17:29But for Heather,
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17:29 - 17:31or deceived partners,
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17:31 - 17:37it is essential to do things
that bring back a sense of self-worth, -
17:37 - 17:40to surround oneself with love
and with friends and activities -
17:40 - 17:44that give back joy
and meaning and identity. -
17:44 - 17:46But even more important,
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17:46 - 17:51is to curb the curiosity
to mine for the sordid details -- -
17:51 - 17:53Where were you? Where did you do it?
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17:53 - 17:56How often? Is she better
than me in bed? -- -
17:56 - 17:58questions that only inflict more pain,
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17:58 - 18:00and keep you awake at night.
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18:01 - 18:05And instead, switch to what I call
the investigative questions, -
18:05 - 18:09the ones that mine
the meaning and the motives -- -
18:09 - 18:11What did this affair mean for you?
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18:11 - 18:14What were you able to express
or experience there -
18:14 - 18:16that you could no longer do with me?
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18:16 - 18:19What was it like for you
when you came home? -
18:19 - 18:23What is it about us that you value?
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18:23 - 18:25Are you pleased this is over?
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18:26 - 18:31Every affair will redefine a relationship,
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18:31 - 18:34and every couple will determine
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18:34 - 18:36what the legacy of the affair will be.
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18:38 - 18:41But affairs are here to stay,
and they're not going away. -
18:42 - 18:45And the dilemmas of love and desire,
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18:45 - 18:51they don't yield just simple answers
of black and white and good and bad, -
18:51 - 18:53and victim and perpetrator.
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18:54 - 18:58Betrayal in a relationship
comes in many forms. -
18:58 - 19:01There are many ways
that we betray our partner: -
19:01 - 19:03with contempt, with neglect,
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19:03 - 19:05with indifference, with violence.
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19:06 - 19:09Sexual betrayal is only
one way to hurt a partner. -
19:09 - 19:12In other words, the victim of an affair
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19:12 - 19:15is not always the victim of the marriage.
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19:18 - 19:20Now, you've listened to me,
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19:20 - 19:22and I know what you're thinking:
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19:22 - 19:26She has a French accent,
she must be pro-affair. -
19:27 - 19:30(Laughter)
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19:32 - 19:33So, you're wrong.
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19:34 - 19:35I am not French.
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19:36 - 19:38(Laughter)
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19:38 - 19:41(Applause)
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19:42 - 19:43And I'm not pro-affair.
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19:45 - 19:49But because I think that good
can come out of an affair, -
19:49 - 19:52I have often been asked
this very strange question: -
19:52 - 19:54Would I ever recommend it?
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19:56 - 19:59Now, I would no more
recommend you have an affair -
19:59 - 20:01than I would recommend you have cancer,
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20:01 - 20:04and yet we know that people
who have been ill -
20:04 - 20:08often talk about how their illness
has yielded them a new perspective. -
20:09 - 20:12The main question that I've been asked
since I arrived at this conference -
20:12 - 20:15when I said I would talk
about infidelity is, for or against? -
20:16 - 20:18I said, "Yes."
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20:18 - 20:21(Laughter)
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20:22 - 20:26I look at affairs from a dual perspective:
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20:26 - 20:29hurt and betrayal on one side,
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20:29 - 20:33growth and self-discovery on the other --
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20:33 - 20:36what it did to you,
and what it meant for me. -
20:37 - 20:41And so when a couple comes to me
in the aftermath of an affair -
20:41 - 20:43that has been revealed,
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20:43 - 20:45I will often tell them this:
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20:45 - 20:48Today in the West,
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20:48 - 20:53most of us are going to have
two or three relationships -
20:53 - 20:54or marriages,
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20:54 - 20:58and some of us are going
to do it with the same person. -
20:59 - 21:01Your first marriage is over.
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21:02 - 21:04Would you like to create
a second one together? -
21:05 - 21:07Thank you.
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21:07 - 21:13(Applause)
- Title:
- Rethinking infidelity ... a talk for anyone who has ever loved
- Speaker:
- Esther Perel
- Description:
-
Infidelity is the ultimate betrayal. But does it have to be? Relationship therapist Esther Perel examines why people cheat, and unpacks why affairs are so traumatic: because they threaten our emotional security. In infidelity, she sees something unexpected — an expression of longing and loss. A must-watch for anyone who has ever cheated or been cheated on, or who simply wants a new framework for understanding relationships.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 21:31
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Morton Bast edited English subtitles for Esther Perel: Rethinking infidelity ... a talk for anyone who has ever loved | |
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Morton Bast edited English subtitles for Esther Perel: Rethinking infidelity ... a talk for anyone who has ever loved |