An insight from DeafSpace | Robert Sirvage | TEDxGallaudet
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0:35 - 0:38Hello.
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0:39 - 0:42Welcome to all,
welcome here to Gallaudet. -
0:42 - 0:43I'm delighted to be here
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0:43 - 0:46and very excited
from the presentations this morning, -
0:46 - 0:48but I have to say they made me
more than a little nervous. -
0:48 - 0:52And you know, one of the things
that's very nerve wracking about this -
0:52 - 0:55is when the nerves hit you,
you feel it mostly in your back. -
0:55 - 0:57You sometimes have to shake it off.
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0:57 - 0:59That's perfect.
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0:59 - 1:01That tension that I'm holding in my back
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1:01 - 1:02is right in line with my topic.
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1:02 - 1:05I'm talking about DeafSpace
and insights gained -
1:05 - 1:10from an understanding
of DeafSpace and from dorsality. -
1:10 - 1:12From the time of Stokoe,
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1:12 - 1:16we started learning about
deaf experience and deaf language -
1:16 - 1:19and the visual nature of our language,
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1:19 - 1:22and many research findings
have come forth from that. -
1:22 - 1:26But what I propose is that we advance this
further, to the next level. -
1:26 - 1:30So we are examining not just
the sighted, visual experience we have -
1:30 - 1:32but also the dorsal experience.
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1:32 - 1:35The experience of the world behind us
where we cannot see. -
1:35 - 1:38If you see the image
on the screen before you, -
1:38 - 1:42you see birds all lined up on a wire,
all perfectly equidistant from each other? -
1:42 - 1:49This image, actually, has something to do
with how we innately measure ourselves, -
1:49 - 1:53so birds on this wire are all lined up
about three inches from each other. -
1:53 - 1:58But, in taking this objective measure
from our point of view, we're attributing -
1:58 - 2:02something to the birds
that isn't innate to them. -
2:02 - 2:04Inches are not a measure
that's innate to them. -
2:04 - 2:09They are measuring using
their given bodies and given experiences. -
2:11 - 2:14I want to share two stories
from my childhood -
2:14 - 2:15that come to bear on this.
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2:15 - 2:19The other picture that you see
is the farmhouse that I was raised on, -
2:19 - 2:21and the view from my dinner table.
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2:21 - 2:24Looking out my window, I could see
my father at work all around the farm. -
2:24 - 2:28And there was a laneway, a driveway,
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2:28 - 2:31just across the wooded area
behind the barn that I couldn't see. -
2:31 - 2:33There were trees blocking the way,
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2:33 - 2:37though there was a telephone line
that did peek just above the trees. -
2:37 - 2:40My mom who is hearing,
would, from time to time, tell me, -
2:40 - 2:42"Hey, we've got a visitor
coming down the road. -
2:42 - 2:44Go put on a clean shirt."
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2:44 - 2:47I would be surprised,
and not knowing the visitor was coming, -
2:47 - 2:49and see them sure enough
a few minutes later coming. -
2:49 - 2:50One day, I warned my mom.
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2:50 - 2:52Hey, we've got visitors coming.
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2:52 - 2:54She couldn't hear any visitors coming.
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2:54 - 2:59She walked to the window,
and sure enough here came the visitor. -
3:00 - 3:05I knew that, because I saw
the birds lined up on the wire. -
3:05 - 3:11And the visual cue I had was all the birds
taking flight at once from that wire. -
3:11 - 3:15I knew that was because someone
was coming down the road I couldn't see. -
3:15 - 3:19At 7-years-old, I knew
this simply from observation, -
3:19 - 3:25I knew innately how to infer
what was happening. -
3:25 - 3:29I had a number of cues,
but these cues weren't really visual. -
3:29 - 3:33They come from a dorsal experience
I have as a deaf person. -
3:35 - 3:37Dorsality.
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3:37 - 3:38Let's back up for a moment.
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3:38 - 3:40And look at the meaning
of the word "dorsal." -
3:40 - 3:42The dorsal fin of a shark.
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3:42 - 3:47The dorsal side
of anything is the rear of it. -
3:47 - 3:50In architecture, the facade
is ornate on a building, -
3:50 - 3:54but the dorsal side
is usually far less so. -
3:54 - 3:56Dorsal experiences are given less value
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3:56 - 3:59and often attributed
a negative value in our society. -
3:59 - 4:02But if you take
the imagined rock in our path, -
4:02 - 4:04we only see one side of it.
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4:04 - 4:07If we were to lift it
and see its dorsal side, -
4:07 - 4:10we might see a world teeming with life
underneath that rock. -
4:17 - 4:18The quote that you see here comes
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4:18 - 4:22from a famous architect, and says in sum,
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4:22 - 4:24that there is nothing about people,
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4:24 - 4:28nothing about humanity
that is innately measurable. -
4:28 - 4:30We, however, come up
with a means of measure. -
4:30 - 4:32A yard stick, a calendar,
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4:32 - 4:35a string of words set up consecutively.
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4:35 - 4:39These are all means
of expressing ourselves. -
4:42 - 4:45My job with working with
DeafSpace design research -
4:45 - 4:48is to look at the decisions
we make in architecture, -
4:48 - 4:49but back that up to see
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4:49 - 4:54how we quantify and examine
and inhabit space. -
4:54 - 4:56In one situation, for example,
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4:56 - 5:01painting of the background of a classroom
might be seen as important, -
5:01 - 5:03but the measure of width that we paint
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5:04 - 5:06the color for contrast with the presenter
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5:06 - 5:09will vary from a hearing
to a deaf community. -
5:09 - 5:14A hearing architect would think
about having a decent swath. -
5:14 - 5:17But the deaf eye is going
to look at the perspective -
5:17 - 5:19of the student and the teacher
in the classroom. -
5:19 - 5:24Is the teacher being observed
from 5 feet away or 20 feet? -
5:24 - 5:28We would need the contrast
to go much higher -
5:28 - 5:31because of the visual sight lines
we're attuned to. -
5:35 - 5:38A number of areas of research
have brought this to mind. -
5:38 - 5:42Another is the width of sidewalks.
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5:42 - 5:44The standard width of sidewalks
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5:44 - 5:47does not engage
the space of deaf people -
5:47 - 5:50engaging in a conversation.
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5:50 - 5:53Oftentimes, one has to walk off the curb.
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5:53 - 5:57So I began to collect data
to help me understand -
5:57 - 5:59how to create a formula
that we could apply -
5:59 - 6:04for a more appropriate width
to sidewalks and walking spaces. -
6:04 - 6:06The research found a wealth of data.
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6:06 - 6:08Much of that can be found
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6:08 - 6:10in the Deaf Studies digital journals.
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6:10 - 6:15But one that was striking to me,
and you'll see in this video, -
6:15 - 6:19people walking down a hallway
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6:19 - 6:21and avoiding something in their path.
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6:21 - 6:23I want you to see how they do so.
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6:37 - 6:39So you see this conversational dyad,
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6:39 - 6:42maneuvering around this obstacle
with no problem at all. -
6:42 - 6:44It's striking.
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6:44 - 6:46But it's a story we often see told
in the deaf world. -
6:46 - 6:50One conversational participant
is responsible -
6:50 - 6:52for observing obstacles for the other.
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6:52 - 6:54If you haven't warned me,
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6:54 - 6:56as a conversational participant
in the deaf world, -
6:56 - 6:58I would be upset that you haven't.
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6:58 - 7:01But they navigate this without cues.
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7:01 - 7:05What is happening?
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7:05 - 7:09We don't see them divert their eye gaze
and then reroute. -
7:09 - 7:11Let's take a deeper look at this.
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7:16 - 7:17After a great deal of study,
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7:17 - 7:21how humans view the world,
how we assess the world, -
7:21 - 7:23I would agree that we do use
peripheral vision. -
7:23 - 7:26We have a 180-degree field,
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7:26 - 7:27but we are very selective
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7:27 - 7:30in how we apply our attention
to our visual field. -
7:32 - 7:35Basically, it's widely agreed upon
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7:35 - 7:38that deaf people do not in fact see
with greater acuity -
7:38 - 7:41nor do we see a wider span
of peripheral vision, -
7:41 - 7:46however, we attend to that visual space
and peripheral field -
7:46 - 7:48more than do hearing people.
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7:53 - 7:55So we see differently, not better.
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7:55 - 7:58But one thing
that I had struggled with, though, -
7:58 - 8:00is looking at how we select
what we attend to -
8:00 - 8:02in a different way than others do.
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8:02 - 8:05So hearing conversational
participants, for example, -
8:05 - 8:08can hear from a 360-degree
field around them. -
8:08 - 8:11They're getting
information about the world -
8:11 - 8:14that is overlaid on
their 180-degree visual field -
8:14 - 8:16from this auditory channel.
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8:16 - 8:19So anything that is happening
in their dorsal experience -
8:19 - 8:22can be inferred
from the auditory cues that they get. -
8:27 - 8:29So in these research findings,
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8:29 - 8:31we then wanted to look at deaf people.
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8:31 - 8:33Yes, deaf people are visual people.
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8:33 - 8:38but that doesn't explain
what causes these adaptations visually. -
8:38 - 8:42So we generally accept
that they are deaf -
8:42 - 8:44and that is innately what's happening
and nothing else. -
8:44 - 8:47We give no attention
to the dorsal experience. -
8:47 - 8:50It's not counted, measured, or quantified.
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8:50 - 8:54So this really begs us
to explain in greater detail -
8:54 - 8:57how at 6 years old,
I inferred the meaning -
8:57 - 8:59given from the flight of the crows.
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8:59 - 9:02How did I do this
without explicit instruction? -
9:07 - 9:10And what about my dorsal experience
gives this notion to me? -
9:10 - 9:13So in DeafSpace, we're looking
at a number of different factors -
9:13 - 9:14to help us in design.
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9:14 - 9:19But I found a few that I can share
with you today in brief. -
9:19 - 9:22In DeafSpace, we look at
how deaf people occupy a space -
9:22 - 9:23such as a restaurant or a classroom.
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9:24 - 9:26In a restaurant,
if I'm the first to get there, -
9:26 - 9:28I'm most likely to sit
with my back to the wall -
9:28 - 9:32so I have control
of what enters my visual field. -
9:32 - 9:36I would not sit with my back
to the bulk of the restaurant. -
9:37 - 9:41I would reduce these stressors
by controlling my dorsal experience. -
9:41 - 9:43So if somebody else is there,
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9:43 - 9:46I would be willing to sit in
a different space. -
9:46 - 9:50The picture that you see on the screen,
depicts a forward-looking picture -
9:50 - 9:53that shows the shadow
of an object behind us. -
9:53 - 9:56So we are using cues
from our dorsal experience -
9:56 - 9:58to infer what's happening.
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9:58 - 10:02This picture clearly shows that there is
a street light just behind me. -
10:02 - 10:05The street light itself
is not in my visual field. -
10:05 - 10:08So when we encounter each other.
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10:08 - 10:10When two of us are in a dyad,
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10:10 - 10:13we have an effect
on our dorsal experience. -
10:13 - 10:18The conversational partner
is given a sense of trust by his partner -
10:18 - 10:23to notify each other of experiences
in their dorsal field. -
10:31 - 10:36In this film, you see
people walking backwards. -
10:36 - 10:38And the camera view is unusual
because in looking -
10:38 - 10:40at the deaf experience
and the deaf community, -
10:40 - 10:43if people want to experience
what it's like to be deaf -
10:43 - 10:46they very often will plug their ears.
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10:46 - 10:50Well the absence of sound doesn't give you
that experience of being deaf. -
10:50 - 10:51I say leave that behind.
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10:51 - 10:54This kind of video experience
that you saw walking backwards -
10:54 - 10:56and navigating in space is much better.
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10:56 - 10:58Because when you're walking forward,
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10:58 - 11:02your eyes can use the sensory reach
to see the columns or whatever -
11:02 - 11:04to see that you're walking straight.
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11:04 - 11:06That's also true
when you're walking backwards. -
11:06 - 11:10You use the surrounding environment
to infer your dorsal world. -
11:10 - 11:13This is an embedded experience
throughout deaf lives. -
11:15 - 11:16What I would propose to you is
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11:16 - 11:20that examining
your visual experience is great. -
11:20 - 11:23But it's also mapped onto
what gives us meaning -
11:23 - 11:25in terms of the space behind us.
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11:25 - 11:27And our dorsal experience.
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11:27 - 11:30We usually stop at looking
at that person being deaf -
11:30 - 11:31as though that explains everything.
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11:31 - 11:34But what role then does dorsality give us
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11:34 - 11:38in understanding the deaf
person's epistemological interpretation -
11:38 - 11:41of the world around them
and how is that embedded -
11:41 - 11:45in our research framework
with our experimental methodologies -
11:45 - 11:47with the ways
in which we are examining -
11:47 - 11:49deaf people and their dorsality?
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11:55 - 11:59I talked about how we manage
our dorsal experience when we're alone, -
11:59 - 12:01but if we look at
a dyad of deaf people... -
12:07 - 12:08when they look at each other,
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12:08 - 12:12the intersection of their eye gaze
extends this sensory reach. -
12:12 - 12:15We are then able to extend sensory reach
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12:15 - 12:18for the other conversational partner's
dorsal experience. -
12:18 - 12:21I am now responsible for
my partner's dorsal world -
12:21 - 12:25in informing them of any cues
and any significant changes in that. -
12:25 - 12:29And they in turn are doing the same for me
through that dyadic interchange. -
12:35 - 12:39In this next video, you see Dr. Ben Bahan
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12:39 - 12:41and his Deaf Studies Digital Journal
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12:41 - 12:45has looked at Italian experiences in Italy
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12:45 - 12:50and out in public and looking
at underlying similarities -
12:50 - 12:54in their use of conversational eye gaze.
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12:54 - 12:58And you would see
in this Italian pair of deaf people, -
12:58 - 13:02the same kinds of cues and warnings
for the dorsal experience -
13:02 - 13:04and something coming along in their field.
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13:04 - 13:07For example, a car
that they might run into briefly. -
13:07 - 13:09Without turning and explicitly
looking at the car, -
13:09 - 13:13very slight visual information was taken
and shared with the person -
13:13 - 13:16to extend their sensory reach
to their own dorsal field. -
13:20 - 13:26So this aspect of dorsality
asks us to look at further tools -
13:26 - 13:29we can use to understand
the visual experience. -
13:29 - 13:32We have eye tracking software
and GoPro cameras, -
13:32 - 13:36but how can we begin to measure
and quantify the dorsal experience? -
13:36 - 13:41I looked at
different conversational dyads, -
13:41 - 13:44some hearing, some deaf,
wear GoPro head-mounted cameras -
13:44 - 13:50and asked them to walk along H street,
crossing the medians and so forth -
13:50 - 13:53and converse while doing so.
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13:53 - 13:56So I looked at the hearing dyads
who engaged in spoken language -
13:56 - 14:00and then I analyzed the video tapes
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14:00 - 14:05for a moment when their visual field
extended both forward, -
14:05 - 14:08non-intersecting,
compared that with how often -
14:08 - 14:11the visual fields did intersect
with each other. -
14:20 - 14:25So you see the two dyads there
representing the data feed. -
14:25 - 14:27The green lines show
points of intersection -
14:27 - 14:30where their visual fields intersected
and degrees of intersection. -
14:30 - 14:34I'm not prepared to show you
all the data yet. -
14:34 - 14:40But the deaf dyads
had much greater intersection -
14:40 - 14:44and greater duration
of intersection of visual field -
14:44 - 14:46than anybody else.
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14:55 - 14:57A whole host of questions
is begged from this finding. -
14:58 - 15:00One of those is that of expression.
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15:02 - 15:06As we are navigating
a space and using expression, -
15:06 - 15:09I am in some ways
giving my new expressions -
15:09 - 15:12that you can interpret to get cues
about your dorsal experience. -
15:12 - 15:15And we do this for each other,
in turn, serially, -
15:15 - 15:19as we walk along
and engage in conversation. -
15:19 - 15:23Now the video that saw here,
the green there indicates -
15:23 - 15:26where eye gaze of both was consistent
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15:26 - 15:28in looking directly at each other.
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15:28 - 15:31And then you can also see
an indication in the data on your screen -
15:31 - 15:33showing when intersection
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15:33 - 15:36showing when intersection happened
consecutively but not simultaneously. -
15:36 - 15:39And then you can also see
some data in the hearing pair -
15:39 - 15:40where they intersected very little.
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15:40 - 15:45So if all of the conversation
were only consecutively intersecting, -
15:45 - 15:47then the data should show that.
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15:47 - 15:51But what we saw was for more
than half of the conversational space, -
15:51 - 15:54when two deaf people
were engaged in conversation, -
15:54 - 15:58the one who was actively signing
was not looking away -
15:58 - 16:00from their conversational pair
and still conversing, -
16:01 - 16:03they were in fact looking
at each other. -
16:12 - 16:15So I do in fact have to engage
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16:15 - 16:19in some kind of intersection
of eye gaze with my partner. -
16:19 - 16:20And some of that is
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16:20 - 16:23because of the dorsality
of our experience. -
16:23 - 16:25I am engaging in intersecting
eye gazing with them, -
16:25 - 16:27so they can warn me
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16:27 - 16:30of whatever is happening
in my dorsal experience. -
16:30 - 16:33And honestly, if they fail
to give me those warnings, -
16:33 - 16:35I would just tell them you
walk on ahead, -
16:35 - 16:37we'll have our conversation
when we get there. -
16:37 - 16:42It's a really hard and fast requirement
of a pair using sign language. -
16:50 - 16:54This experience of dorsality
begs for more research, -
16:54 - 16:56and there's a great
deal of potential with it. -
16:56 - 16:58For example, if you look at
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16:58 - 17:00how deaf children
are taught and educated, -
17:02 - 17:04we have looked at cognition,
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17:04 - 17:07we have looked at language
and many of these things. -
17:07 - 17:11But we have to perhaps look at
how we've interpreted that historically. -
17:11 - 17:14But the fact is there are
a great many more cues -
17:14 - 17:21that we have for human experience
and human being than have been told. -
17:22 - 17:25With that, I want to thank
all of you for watching me -
17:25 - 17:27and watching my back
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17:27 - 17:29throughout this whole presentation.
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17:29 - 17:31Thank you very much.
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- An insight from DeafSpace | Robert Sirvage | TEDxGallaudet
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This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.
Robert T. Sirvage, a DeafSpace design researcher, ventured outside the pasture of Connaught, just north of the St. Lawrence Seaway to chase the butterfly of the immeasurable.
Sirvage travels across the country to promote DeafSpace as a design philosophy by giving presentations and participating in architectural projects, such as the Rocky Mountain Deaf School in Colorado and the Living and Learning Residence Hall 6, a new residential hall at the heart of Kendall Green at Gallaudet.
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