How to get back to work after a career break | Carol Fishman Cohen | TEDxBeaconStreet
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0:02 - 0:06People returning to work
after a career break: -
0:06 - 0:08I call them relaunchers.
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0:08 - 0:12These are people who have taken
career breaks for elder care, -
0:12 - 0:14for childcare reasons,
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0:14 - 0:15pursuing a personal interest,
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0:15 - 0:18or a personal health issue.
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0:18 - 0:22Closely related are
career transitioners of all kinds: -
0:22 - 0:24veterans, military spouses,
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0:24 - 0:26retirees coming out of retirement,
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0:26 - 0:28or repatriating expats.
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0:30 - 0:33Returning to work
after a career break is hard -
0:33 - 0:36because of a disconnect
between the employers -
0:36 - 0:38and the relaunchers.
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0:38 - 0:42Employers can view hiring people
with a gap on their resume -
0:42 - 0:44as a high-risk proposition,
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0:44 - 0:48and individuals on career break
can have doubts about their abilities -
0:48 - 0:49to relaunch their careers,
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0:49 - 0:52especially if they've been out
for a long time. -
0:52 - 0:57This disconnect is a problem
that I'm trying to help solve. -
0:58 - 1:02Now, successful relaunchers
are everywhere and in every field. -
1:03 - 1:04This is Sami Kafala.
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1:04 - 1:07He's a nuclear physicist in the UK
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1:07 - 1:11who took a five-year career break
to be home with his five children. -
1:12 - 1:16The Singapore press recently wrote
about nurses returning to work -
1:16 - 1:18after long career breaks.
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1:18 - 1:20And speaking of long career breaks,
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1:20 - 1:22this is Mimi Kahn.
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1:22 - 1:25She's a social worker
in Orange County, California, -
1:25 - 1:29who returned to work
in a social services organization -
1:29 - 1:31after a 25-year career break.
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1:31 - 1:34That's the longest career break
that I'm aware of. -
1:34 - 1:37Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor
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1:37 - 1:40took a five-year career break
early in her career. -
1:41 - 1:45And this is Tracy Shapiro,
who took a 13-year career break. -
1:45 - 1:49Tracy answered a call for essays
by the Today Show -
1:49 - 1:52from people who were trying
to return to work -
1:52 - 1:54but having a difficult time of it.
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1:54 - 1:59Tracy wrote in that she was a mom of five
who loved her time at home, -
1:59 - 2:02but she had gone through a divorce
and needed to return to work, -
2:02 - 2:05plus she really wanted
to bring work back into her life -
2:05 - 2:07because she loved working.
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2:08 - 2:10Tracy was doing what so many of us do
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2:10 - 2:14when we feel like we've put in
a good day in the job search. -
2:14 - 2:17She was looking for a finance
or accounting role, -
2:17 - 2:20and she had just spent
the last nine months -
2:20 - 2:23very diligently researching
companies online -
2:23 - 2:26and applying for jobs with no results.
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2:26 - 2:30I met Tracy in June of 2011,
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2:30 - 2:33when the Today Show asked me
if I could work with her -
2:33 - 2:36to see if I could help her
turn things around. -
2:36 - 2:40The first thing I told Tracy
was she had to get out of the house. -
2:40 - 2:42I told her she had to go public
with her job search -
2:42 - 2:46and tell everyone she knew
about her interest in returning to work. -
2:47 - 2:50I also told her, "You are going
to have a lot of conversations -
2:50 - 2:52that don't go anywhere.
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2:52 - 2:55Expect that, and don't
be discouraged by it. -
2:55 - 2:57There will be a handful
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2:57 - 3:00that ultimately lead
to a job opportunity." -
3:01 - 3:03I'll tell you what happened
with Tracy in a little bit, -
3:03 - 3:06but I want to share with you
a discovery that I made -
3:06 - 3:07when I was returning to work
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3:08 - 3:12after my own career break of 11 years
out of the full-time workforce, -
3:12 - 3:17and that is, that people's view of you
is frozen in time. -
3:17 - 3:21What I mean by this is,
when you start to get in touch with people -
3:21 - 3:24and you get back in touch
with those people from the past, -
3:24 - 3:27the people with whom you worked
or went to school, -
3:27 - 3:30they are going to remember you as you were
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3:30 - 3:32before your career break,
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3:32 - 3:35and that's even if your sense of self
has diminished over time, -
3:35 - 3:37as happens with so many of us
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3:37 - 3:41the farther removed we are
from our professional identities. -
3:41 - 3:44So for example,
you might think of yourself -
3:44 - 3:45as someone who looks like this.
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3:46 - 3:50This is me, crazy after a day
of driving around in my minivan. -
3:50 - 3:52Or here I am in the kitchen.
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3:53 - 3:55But those people from the past,
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3:55 - 3:58they don't know about any of this.
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3:58 - 4:00They only remember you as you were,
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4:00 - 4:04and it's a great confidence boost
to be back in touch with these people -
4:04 - 4:08and hear their enthusiasm
about your interest in returning to work. -
4:09 - 4:14There's one more thing I remember vividly
from my own career break, -
4:14 - 4:17and that was that I hardly kept up
with the business news. -
4:17 - 4:19My background is in finance,
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4:19 - 4:21and I hardly kept up with any news
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4:21 - 4:24when I was home caring
for my four young children, -
4:24 - 4:27so I was afraid I'd go into an interview
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4:27 - 4:31and start talking about a company
that didn't exist anymore. -
4:31 - 4:35So I had to resubscribe
to the Wall Street Journal -
4:35 - 4:38and read it for a good six months
cover to cover before I felt -
4:38 - 4:42like I had a handle on what was going on
in the business world again. -
4:44 - 4:48I believe relaunchers
are a gem of the workforce, -
4:48 - 4:49and here's why.
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4:49 - 4:51Think about our life stage:
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4:51 - 4:55for those of us who took career breaks
for childcare reasons, -
4:55 - 4:57we have fewer or no maternity leaves.
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4:57 - 4:58We did that already.
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4:58 - 5:02We have fewer spousal
or partner job relocations. -
5:02 - 5:04We're in a more settled time of life.
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5:04 - 5:06We have great work experience.
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5:06 - 5:08We have a more mature perspective.
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5:08 - 5:12We're not trying to find ourselves
at an employer's expense. -
5:12 - 5:16Plus we have an energy,
an enthusiasm about returning to work -
5:16 - 5:19precisely because we've been
away from it for a while. -
5:20 - 5:22On the flip side, I speak with employers,
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5:22 - 5:25and here are two concerns
that employers have -
5:25 - 5:27about hiring relaunchers.
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5:27 - 5:30The first one is, employers
are worried that relaunchers -
5:30 - 5:32are technologically obsolete.
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5:32 - 5:34Now, I can tell you,
-
5:34 - 5:37having been technologically
obsolete myself at one point, -
5:37 - 5:39that it's a temporary condition.
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5:40 - 5:46I had done my financial analysis
so long ago that I used Lotus 1-2-3. -
5:46 - 5:49I don't know if anyone
can even remember back that far, -
5:49 - 5:51but I had to relearn it on Excel.
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5:51 - 5:54It actually wasn't that hard.
A lot of the commands are the same. -
5:55 - 5:57I found PowerPoint much more challenging,
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5:57 - 5:59but now I use PowerPoint all the time.
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6:00 - 6:05I tell relaunchers that employers
expect them to come to the table -
6:05 - 6:08with a working knowledge
of basic office management software, -
6:08 - 6:10and if they're not up to speed,
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6:10 - 6:12then it's their
responsibility to get there. -
6:12 - 6:14And they do.
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6:14 - 6:18The second area of concern
that employers have about relaunchers -
6:18 - 6:21is they're worried that relaunchers
don't know what they want to do. -
6:21 - 6:25I tell relaunchers that they need
to do the hard work -
6:25 - 6:28to figure out whether their interests
and skills have changed -
6:28 - 6:30or have not changed
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6:30 - 6:32while they have been on career break.
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6:32 - 6:34That's not the employer's job.
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6:34 - 6:38It's the relauncher's responsibility
to demonstrate to the employer -
6:39 - 6:40where they can add the most value.
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6:43 - 6:46Back in 2010 I started noticing something.
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6:46 - 6:51I had been tracking
return to work programs since 2008, -
6:51 - 6:54and in 2010, I started noticing
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6:54 - 6:58the use of a short-term
paid work opportunity, -
6:58 - 7:00whether it was called
an internship or not, -
7:00 - 7:03but an internship-like experience,
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7:03 - 7:06as a way for professionals
to return to work. -
7:06 - 7:09I saw Goldman Sachs and Sara Lee
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7:09 - 7:12start corporate reentry
internship programs. -
7:12 - 7:16I saw a returning engineer,
a nontraditional reentry candidate, -
7:17 - 7:21apply for an entry-level
internship program in the military, -
7:21 - 7:23and then get a permanent job afterward.
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7:24 - 7:28I saw two universities
integrate internships -
7:28 - 7:31into mid-career executive
education programs. -
7:31 - 7:34So I wrote a report
about what I was seeing, -
7:34 - 7:37and it became this article
for Harvard Business Review -
7:37 - 7:39called "The 40-Year-Old Intern."
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7:39 - 7:42I have to thank the editors
there for that title, -
7:42 - 7:43and also for this artwork
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7:43 - 7:47where you can see the 40-year-old intern
in the midst of all the college interns. -
7:47 - 7:51And then, courtesy of Fox Business News,
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7:51 - 7:54they called the concept
"The 50-Year-Old Intern." -
7:54 - 7:58(Laughter)
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7:58 - 8:01So five of the biggest
financial services companies -
8:01 - 8:06have reentry internship programs
for returning finance professionals, -
8:06 - 8:09and at this point,
hundreds of people have participated. -
8:09 - 8:11These internships are paid,
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8:11 - 8:13and the people who move on
to permanent roles -
8:14 - 8:16are commanding competitive salaries.
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8:17 - 8:20And now, seven of the biggest
engineering companies -
8:20 - 8:24are piloting reentry internship programs
for returning engineers -
8:24 - 8:28as part of an initiative
with the Society of Women Engineers. -
8:30 - 8:33Now, why are companies embracing
the reentry internship? -
8:34 - 8:37Because the internship allows the employer
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8:37 - 8:41to base their hiring decision
on an actual work sample -
8:41 - 8:44instead of a series of interviews,
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8:44 - 8:47and the employer does not have to make
that permanent hiring decision -
8:47 - 8:50until the internship period is over.
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8:51 - 8:55This testing out period
removes the perceived risk -
8:55 - 8:58that some managers attach
to hiring relaunchers, -
8:58 - 9:01and they are attracting
excellent candidates -
9:01 - 9:03who are turning into great hires.
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9:03 - 9:05Think about how far we have come.
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9:06 - 9:09Before this, most employers
were not interested -
9:09 - 9:11in engaging with relaunchers at all,
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9:11 - 9:14but now, not only
are programs being developed -
9:14 - 9:17specifically with relaunchers in mind,
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9:17 - 9:19but you can't even apply
for these programs -
9:20 - 9:22unless you have a gap on your rĂŠsumĂŠ.
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9:23 - 9:25This is the mark of real change,
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9:25 - 9:27of true institutional shift,
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9:27 - 9:31because if we can solve
this problem for relaunchers, -
9:31 - 9:34we can solve it for other
career transitioners too. -
9:34 - 9:36In fact, an employer just told me
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9:36 - 9:39that their veterans return to work program
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9:39 - 9:42is based on their reentry
internship program. -
9:42 - 9:47And there's no reason why there can't be
a retiree internship program. -
9:47 - 9:50Different pool, same concept.
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9:50 - 9:53So let me tell you
what happened with Tracy Shapiro. -
9:53 - 9:55Remember that she had to tell
everyone she knew -
9:55 - 9:57about her interest in returning to work.
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9:58 - 10:02Well, one critical conversation
with another parent in her community -
10:02 - 10:04led to a job offer for Tracy,
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10:04 - 10:07and it was an accounting job
in a finance department. -
10:07 - 10:08But it was a temp job.
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10:09 - 10:11The company told her
there was a possibility -
10:11 - 10:15it could turn into something more,
but no guarantees. -
10:15 - 10:17This was in the fall of 2011.
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10:18 - 10:21Tracy loved this company,
and she loved the people -
10:21 - 10:24and the office was less
than 10 minutes from her house. -
10:24 - 10:26So even though she had a second job offer
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10:26 - 10:29at another company
for a permanent full-time role, -
10:29 - 10:32she decided to take her chances
with this internship -
10:32 - 10:34and hope for the best.
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10:35 - 10:38Well, she ended up blowing away
all of their expectations, -
10:38 - 10:41and the company not only
made her a permanent offer -
10:41 - 10:43at the beginning of 2012,
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10:43 - 10:46but they made it even more
interesting and challenging, -
10:46 - 10:48because they knew what Tracy could handle.
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10:48 - 10:51Fast forward to 2015,
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10:51 - 10:52Tracy's been promoted.
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10:52 - 10:55They've paid for her
to get her MBA at night. -
10:55 - 10:58She's even hired another relauncher
for work for her. -
11:00 - 11:03Tracy's temp job was a tryout,
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11:03 - 11:05just like an internship,
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11:05 - 11:10and it ended up being a win
for both Tracy and her employer. -
11:12 - 11:16Now, my goal is to bring
the reentry internship concept -
11:16 - 11:19to more and more employers,
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11:19 - 11:21but in the meantime,
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11:21 - 11:24if you are returning to work
after a career break, -
11:24 - 11:30don't hesitate to suggest an internship
or an internship-like arrangement -
11:30 - 11:35to an employer that does not have
a formal reentry internship program. -
11:36 - 11:38Be their first success story,
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11:38 - 11:41and you can be the example
for more relaunchers to come. -
11:42 - 11:43Thank you.
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11:43 - 11:46(Applause)
- Title:
- How to get back to work after a career break | Carol Fishman Cohen | TEDxBeaconStreet
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