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- [Prof. Tyler Cowen]
So why is the Chinese economy
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in so much trouble right now?
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Well, actually,
this shouldn't come as a surprise.
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If you've been watching China
over the last several decades,
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you can understand
how the current problems
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actually fall out of a lot
of their earlier successes.
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The story starts in 1979.
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And in 1979,
you have Chinese reformers
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starting to do a good deal
to put the Chinese economy
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on a sounder track.
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At that time,
Chinese per capita income
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was only a few hundred
dollars a year,
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almost everyone was very poor,
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people would ride bicycles
rather than driving cars,
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and even starvation
was still a possibility.
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So China introduces
more private property,
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more capitalistic incentives,
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it privatizes
some of its agriculture,
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it allows more manufacturing,
more exporting.
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Overall, China starts moving
toward being a modern economy,
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a normal economy.
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And once these reforms are underway,
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China is growing
at really an astonishing pace.
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For a lot of the last 35 years,
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China has been growing
at around 10% a year.
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That's amazing!
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The American economy typically
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doesn't grow
at much more than 2% a year.
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At 10% a year growth,
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that means that living standards
double about every 7 years.
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So if you go back,
you keep on visiting China,
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it's as if every 7 years,
every 10 years,
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you get to see
an entirely new country.
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For me personally, China is the most
interesting country in the world
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to visit as an economist.
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They have grown at a pace
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that no other place has matched.
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Imagine about 10% a year growth
for almost 35 years.
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That has transformed everything.
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So even year to year,
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parts of a city or a neighborhood
can simply change before your eyes.
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So you see human progress at work,
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you see what took some parts
of the world centuries to achieve,
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happening in decades or even years.
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You see human hope
and faith and progress,
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and a deep underlying optimism
about what is possible.
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So the Chinese economy
during these years of rapid growth --
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it had some very notable features.
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It had high levels of savings,
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it had super high
levels of investment,
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and they built lots
and lots of infrastructure.
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And those were all very positive.
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It's wonderful how good
the infrastructure is in China.
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I would much rather ride
on a Chinese high-speed rail train
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than take the Amtrak
from Washington, D.C.
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to New York City.
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The Chinese train
is quicker, nicer,
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and it's far more likely
to be on time.
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But here’s the thing --
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for a long time
China has been investing
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almost half of its GDP every year.
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Half!
That's astonishing.
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When you think about it,
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it is remarkably hard, every year,
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to invest half of your GDP
and to invest it well.
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In the early years
of China's economic growth,
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the required investments were
pretty simple and straightforward.
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They needed to build more homes,
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they needed
to put in more train lines,
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they needed to build more roads,
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they needed to equip
their urban centers
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with all of the normal features
of everyday modern life.
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And the Chinese government
did a really good job
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at all of those things.
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It's a big reason why, actually,
China's growth has been so strong.
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But the problem is this --
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the way decision-making
in China is set up --
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it's very good for achieving things
with a kind of checklist --
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known tasks that require a lot
of resources and a lot of effort,
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and you throw everything
you have at getting it done,
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and you get it done pretty quickly.
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China has been great at that.
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But now, a lot of that
low-hanging fruit is gone.
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A lot of the infrastructure
which China needs
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already has been built,
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but now their economy
needs more complex investments.
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They need a better
healthcare system,
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they need better retail services,
they need more startups.
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And in these areas,
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there’s not a simple
checklist way to get it done.
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It's not just a question
of throwing resources at the problem.
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You need more trial and error,
more experimentation,
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you need more
of a market discovery process
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to figure out which
are the profitable investments
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and which
are the unprofitable ones.
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And it’s hard to plan
and manage those
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the same ways
that the Chinese did that
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with all of their infrastructure.
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Here is another problem
with the Chinese economic model.
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If your economy grows
10% a year or so for so long,
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businessmen
and also your governments --
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they start thinking
there isn't much risk.
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At 10% growth,
there's so much forward impetus.
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You can have a business plan
with a lot of mistakes,
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you can have a lot of debt,
you can be very poor on execution,
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but a lot of those investments
are still going to make money
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at about 10% growth.
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So what happens is,
the underlying economy
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loses some of its discipline.
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People get sloppy,
they overextend,
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they become too optimistic.
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They think they can make
any investment or any decision
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and somehow
it will pay off or be validated,
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just because everyone else
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is pushing
on that 10% rate of growth.
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A turning point
for the Chinese economy
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comes in 2009
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when there’s a significant recession
in many other parts of the world.
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At the time,
a lot of observers thought,
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"Well, there’s going to be
a big recession in China too."
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But there wasn't.
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The Chinese government
undertook some very special steps
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to avoid or maybe
just postpone that recession.
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So the Chinese government
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spent a lot more money
on infrastructure
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at a time where maybe
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less infrastructure investment
was called for.
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The Chinese government,
the state-owned banks,
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the state-owned companies,
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acted in concert to encourage
a lot more borrowing,
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a lot more debt.
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And it's true --
this did spur spending,
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it boosted investment,
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kept the economy
running at a higher level,
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but actually debt rose to the point
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where it was too high
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relative to the rates of return
available on those projects.
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So now, we don't have
very exact measures,
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but it seems that
total Chinese debt of all kinds
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is well over 200% of GDP --
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possibly as high as 300% of GDP.
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And maybe that can work
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when your underlying
rate of growth is 10%,
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but as your underlying
rate of economic growth falls,
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it's harder and harder
for that debt to be sustainable.
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So how much is China growing today?
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Well, it depends who you listen to.
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The Chinese government, circa 2015,
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is claiming China
is still growing at about 7% a year.
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But not many external
observers believe this,
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because they’re looking
at other pieces of data.
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No one is sure what the real rate
of economic growth is,
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but what we know is that
it is probably sharply lower
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and China is now entering
a great recession.
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To track this recession,
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we can keep in mind
five issues or problem areas --
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the real estate bubble,
the stock market bubble,
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the excess level of municipal debt,
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excess capacity
among Chinese businesses,
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and finally,
the risk of capital flight.
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The first of these
is the real estate bubble.
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Chinese property prices
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became too high
in many Chinese cities
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and China overbuilt.
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I took a train trip from Beijing
through the center of the country --
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a six hour train trip.
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And along the way,
I kept on seeing city after city
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with dozens and dozens
of apartment blocks.
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You would see so many buildings,
but so few people,
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so few retail stores, so few cars.
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Many of those cities
are grossly overbuilt,
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relative to what can be supported.
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The Chinese stock market bubble
is another potential problem.
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For a while, Chinese
stock prices were rising rapidly,
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but then they fell rapidly too.
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Too many people were encouraged
to buy stocks on margin,
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the ratio of prices
to corporate earnings
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has been extremely high,
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and probably those stock prices
will continue to fall
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at a pretty rapid pace.
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That will depress consumer
spending, lower confidence
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and it also will be a problem
for some Chinese banks.
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The third problem is municipal debt.
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No one really knows exactly
how big a problem this is.
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We do know that
Chinese municipal governments
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were not supposed
to be able to borrow money --
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they were supposed
to run balanced budgets.
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But in fact, a lot of them ended up
borrowing money off the books,
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and in fact they were encouraged
by the central government to do this,
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to keep up that expenditure
on all the infrastructure.
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But what’s happened is,
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they borrowed a lot more than
right now they are able to pay back.
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And the central government
in Beijing is feeling the need
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to try to bail out
these municipal governments.
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Another big problem
in the Chinese economy
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is what I would call
"excess capacity".
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That is, in too many sectors
you have too many firms,
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you have too much overconfidence,
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too much stimulation of investment,
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and a lot of those companies
probably are not profitable --
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they're being kept afloat
by cheap credit
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from Chinese state-owned banks,
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or they may be Chinese
state-owned companies themselves,
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which have political privileges
of various kinds.
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But a lot of those
companies right now --
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they’re not making
really productive investments
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in the kinds of things
that Chinese consumers want.
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If you look at price indices,
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if you look at the index
for producer prices in China --
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that's one measure
of this excess capacity.
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That index actually
has been falling now
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for over three years running,
falling every month.
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That's a sign that too many
producer goods have been built
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for what can be sustained profitably.
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So maybe the biggest
potential problem is capital flight.
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There’s a risk that capital within China,
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foreign capital,
but especially domestic capital,
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seeks to leave the country
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out of fear of China's
economic problems.
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But if too much
of this capital leaves the country,
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that actually makes
the problems much worse,
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as we saw
with the Asian financial crisis
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in the 1990s for other countries.
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The big danger in China
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is simply that
capital flight accelerates.
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But in the meantime,
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think of the problems
the Chinese government has
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trying to manage all of this.
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There are a lot of firms
which are no longer profitable,
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but the government’s reluctant
to let them go bankrupt
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because of fear of unemployment
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and also alienating
special interest groups.
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There’s too much credit and too much
borrowing in the economy,
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but if that bubble is burst,
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well, then economic activity
will fall all the more.
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There's been too much
investment in real estate,
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there’s too much continuing
reliance on infrastructure,
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and somehow the government
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is supposed to juggle
all of these balls at once
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and stop the recession
from getting worse.
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When you put
all of those issues together,
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it is indeed
a very complex picture,
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very difficult to understand.
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But what we see is that
the world's number two economy
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really is running a very
serious risk of a recession
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which will be deep,
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and also may last really
quite some number of years.
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My personal view is that, at this point, these
problems are so deeply baked into the Chinese economy,
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there is no way to set this all right.
But still there are some major reasons
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to be optimistic looking forward. First,
the most important source of wealth in any economy is
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human capital. The Chinese have
done a fantastic job investing
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in their own human capital. So from
the economist’s point of view, which values
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human capital above all else, as the most fundamental
source of national wealth. When we look at the future
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of China in the medium-term prospects,
we really should be optimistic
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or even cheery. Because China has
invested very well in human capital.
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Those investments will survive the
current recession intact, and we have
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every reason to believe that China will be extending the
talents, energies, drives, and ambitions of its people,
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