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36C3 ChaosWest: DC/DC Converters: Everything You Wanted To Know About Them

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    36C3 preroll music
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    Herald: Okay, that was fast two minutes.
    The next talk is going to be on DC to DC
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    converters by Zoé Bőle. She's an
    enthusiast for open hardware and fan of
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    DIY and has been working on the topic of
    DC to DC converters for a long time and I
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    have to keep on talking now because it
    seems that her computer is not really
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    communicating with the presentation
    device. We do have a picture but we don't
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    get it moving.
    troubleshooting whispers in background
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    Herald: While they're still having some
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    issues up here I might remind you that it
    is very helpful if you take your trash
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    with you and now please welcome Zoë and we
    are ready to inaudible.
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    Give her a warm hand!
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    Zoé Bőle: Hi, my name is Zoë and this is
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    the first time I'm standing here in a
    chaos stage so I'm a little bit, like,
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    anxious but I'm here to talk to you…
    applause
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    Zoé: I'm here to talk about these DC
    converters and the talk's called "DC/DC
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    converters and everything you wanted to
    know about them" but it's unlikely I can
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    fit everything into a 50 minute talk, so
    it's like not everything, but my goal is
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    to provide you some starting points and
    give you an overview and hopefully if you
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    already worked with DC/DC's then you're
    also not gonna be annoyed and not gonna be
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    bored. Before I start with the DC/DC
    topic, I would like ask you to be
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    excellent to each other and this is not
    related to my talk but I hear people
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    starting clapping when someone broke the
    bottle accidentally and I think it's super
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    not cool. Yesterday I saw someone breaking
    down in tears because they just broke a
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    bottle and everybody was clapping and
    paying attention to them
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    and that was like harassment. So, please
    don't be the one who starts clapping. But
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    also I'm not here to forbid you to clap
    and… just know what's happening. So,
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    brief introduction to DC/DC's and why:
    quite often you need different voltages
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    than what you have available. For example
    you have a microcontroller or you have an
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    FPGA and you work with the battery
    then you need to provide a different
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    voltage for that circuit and the trivial
    solution is to just use two resistors and
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    make a voltage divider, but this is
    totally unsuited for power delivery
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    because as you start loading the output,
    the output voltage starts dropping. Also,
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    this circuit dissipates power even if
    there is no useful load on the output. So
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    this is only useful for signals and to
    have some kind of feedback and regulate
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    the output to a desired level you can use
    an LDO, which is the same thing but you
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    control, one resistor – very simplified –
    to always keep a desired output voltage.
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    Of course this can only go lower than your
    input and your efficiency is limited to
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    the ratio of the output voltage and the
    input voltage, and this is even in ideal
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    situation. So, instead of burning up power
    in your converter you can just use
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    switches and this is the idea behind
    switching supplies that you use a switch
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    element which is either
    fully on or fully off.
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    And if it's fully on then there
    is no loss on a switch and if it's
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    fully off there is no current flowing
    through it so there is no loss either.
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    There are some practical problems
    with this approach but
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    but this works for LEDs and heaters if your
    switching frequency is high enough.
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    To think of a DC/DC converter is a
    box with four terminals. It has an input
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    side and an output side. Right now I'm
    talking about buck step-down DC/DC
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    converters which are non isolated. This
    means the ground in the input side and the
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    ground on the output side are connected
    together inside and this limits certain uses.
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    Also you should not connect these
    DC/DC converters in series, so if you have
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    a block like this and you think "oh, I
    could use two or three of them and just
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    connect them in series to give it higher
    input voltages," that's gonna blow up very
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    quickly. A block looks like this on a
    screen and might look like this in reality.
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    Let's take a look inside. So all of these
    DC/DC converters consist of a power stage,
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    a control system, and the feedback.
    The feedback is there to provide a
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    regulated output regardless of the
    operating conditions. So what's inside a
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    power stage? To have a deeper look inside
    we can consider this asynchronous buck
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    converter where a switching element – a
    MOSFET – is controlled by an analog and
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    digital circuitry. Feedback is provided
    from the output voltage and we see a diode
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    in the middle which I'm going to talk
    about soon. You also see two capacitors on
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    the input side and on the output side,
    which are also very important.
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    More about them later.
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    Let's consider the first situation:
    the switch is on – this is
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    so-called "the on state" – and this forms
    a loop from the input to the output. The
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    input capacitor we can neglect and in an
    ideal situation the output capacitor is,
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    um, I will talk more about more about the
    output later.
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    pause
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    All right, I don't wanna make this into a
    lecture and everybody is sleeping in
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    and the fun part will start very soon.
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    So, this DC/DC has two states: either the
    switch is on or switch is off. Right now
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    the switch is on and you see that the
    current can flow from the input through
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    this inductor to the output. The inductor
    resists the change of current. It's like
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    pushing a heavy mass and once it starts
    moving it wants to keep moving. That's why
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    in this "on" state the input current flows
    through the inductor and starts to
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    increase while it's also flowing to the
    output. Then the converter turns the
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    switch off, which comes to the off state,
    and now the diode comes into play, which
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    will keep the current recirculating. In
    this "off" state there is no current from
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    the power from the source to the output,
    but the output is still powered from this
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    decaying magnetic field through the
    inductor. Sometimes you hear about
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    synchronous DC/DC converters where this
    diode is replaced by another switch.
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    In that case efficiency's increased since
    the voltage drop across MOSFET is lower
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    than the forward voltage of the diode. In
    this case, as you can see, current is still
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    being delivered to the output. And this is
    the big advantage of the buck converter
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    that in both an "on" and an "off" state
    the output is sourced with current.
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    What the output capacitor
    does there is it provides the difference
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    between the inductor current. On the lower
    end you can see the inductor current.
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    As the switch is on it ramps up and as switch
    is off it ramps down, and in the middle
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    you see this line which is the output
    current. So you see these triangles and
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    this is what's provided by the output
    capacitor. Alright, so this is an actual
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    part without the simplifications and I
    would like to talk a bit about the
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    reference voltage and how that works. So
    this device creates an internal 0.7V
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    reference and you can program the output
    voltage by choosing R1 and R2 on the
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    left side so at your desired output
    exactly 0.7V will be at this voltage
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    divider and this converter will keep
    regulating to reach the state.
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    If you're looking for DC/DC converter to
    your next project then you might see
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    a bunch of parameters and
    I'm gonna talk about those.
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    So first you see a 3.3 volt 2 amp
    converter. What does it mean?
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    This depends on how and
    who specifies that output
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    because someone says it's two amps if it
    can provide two amps for a second and
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    someone says it's two amps if it can
    continuously provide the two amps even in
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    a warm environment, so it's important to
    talk about if it's a peak or continuous
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    current rating. Then there is this so
    called "output ripple." You saw that
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    switching action going on and off and that
    will create a ripple on the output voltage
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    so it won't be 3.3V it will be oscillating
    around that. This can be as low as a few
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    microvolts and as high as a few volts,
    depending on the parameters. Also there is
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    a voltage accuracy: maybe it's labeled
    as 3.3V but actually it's 3.5 or 3.0.
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    Load regulation: it's maybe 3.3V when it's
    unloaded and as you increase the output it
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    starts changing the output voltage. There
    is the line regulation which means the
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    input voltage has influence over the
    output, which is undesired. Then there is
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    this maximum input voltage rating. Let's
    say this converter can tolerate seven
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    volts on its input so you think "oh let's
    just hook it up to USB, that's 5V, right?"
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    Yes, but no, because when you use cables
    and non-ideal conditions, you can create
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    transients which overshoot the voltage
    possibly way above this maximum rating and
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    this can lead to very nasty surprises.
    Because sometimes they fail short, which
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    means they connect their input
    directly to their output.
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    In this case the device you connected to
    the converter might also go up in flames.
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    So mind the transients and always
    have some margin between
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    your desired input voltage and the
    maximum the converter can tolerate.
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    Then you might see 95% efficiency
    and that's also question at
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    which load because at maximum specified
    load it will be lower, and at lower/less load it
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    will be also lower, so there is this
    efficiency peak. That marketing people love
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    to specify. There's also this so called
    "quiescent current" which means your
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    converter draws current from your input
    even when there is nothing on its output
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    and if it runs from a battery this can
    drain your battery in days or weeks, so
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    you must pay attention to this. And there is
    this other factor called "switching
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    frequency" so how fast, how often the
    internal switch changes state, but this
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    might not be a constant value, especially
    with the previously mentioned quiescent
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    current feature, the converters that excel
    at having a low quiescent current don't
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    have fixed switching frequency, so you
    might have noise at different frequency
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    bands and disturb your circuits or radio
    noise. Let's talk about a few features,
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    you might want to look for. "Enable": enable
    functionality. This is very useful to
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    easily disable your DC/DC converter and
    without having to interrupt either the
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    input side or the output side. Let's say
    you have a 20 amp output converter – you
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    really don't want to switch the 20 amp
    with a mechanical big switch. Instead
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    of that you have a logic input to
    your DC/DC converter with which you can
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    turn this completely off. Then there is so
    called "undervoltage lockout": you might
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    want to prevent it from running below a
    certain input voltage to prevent draining
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    your battery too deep and turning it
    completely off. There's "power good" that
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    can provide information to your processor
    that the output voltage is in regulation
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    and stabilized. So if you hook up the
    "power good" output to let's say a reset
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    line or "enable", then you can be sure
    that the output voltage is always stable
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    and your processors are not going to go
    into glitch. Overtemperature shutdown is
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    very common these days and that makes
    these tiny converters almost
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    indestructible because if they get too hot
    they just turn off completely before they
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    get permanently damaged. Efficient
    standby: this is the so called low
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    quiescent current option. That means if
    your output is off, your processor is
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    sleeping, then it willl reduce switching
    action to reduce switching losses and
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    might only draw a few micro amps or even
    nano amps. Very important for battery
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    powered applications. Then you might see
    overcurrent protection which makes the
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    output very robust. You can even make a
    short circuit and the overcurrent protection
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    will limit the output current to this
    value and this prevents damaging of the
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    converter and also damage to the cables
    and switches if they are rated to
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    withstand the overcurrent protection
    limit. Now let's talk about noise. The
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    output ripple is not exactly noise. Output
    ripple is there because the output
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    capacitor is non-ideal and usually this
    this is very low on a properly designed
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    converter but if you measure the output
    you might see spikes on the output and
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    that's not ripple. That's conducted EMI
    because on that inductor the windings are
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    coupled very closely, there is some
    capacitive coupling between the wires, so
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    the digital on-off action from the
    switches will propagate to some extent to
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    the output. This is attenuated by the
    capacitors but they cannot be completely
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    filtered off and you will see the
    switching frequency and even upper
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    harmonics of it but this can also be
    filtered. There is also radiated EMI,
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    which comes mostly from the switching node
    and capacitive coupling to the ground
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    plane, and also the inductor – if it's not
    shielded then a magnetic field can also
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    radiate out and cause interference. On
    this picture what you see is that gray
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    block, that's a shielded inductor, and the
    two blue connectors at the end of this PCB
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    are screw terminals. I personally advise
    against using this style of screw
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    terminals because the wires can easily
    slip out, make a short, or you don't
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    notice that they are not connected, so I
    prefer a different style of connectors.
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    It's good to know about non-ideal
    components. The capacitors that are used
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    have a so called DC bias. These multi-
    layer ceramic capacitors are very
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    sensitive to the DC voltage across the
    terminals and if they are rated, let's say
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    20 microfarads, at the rated voltage they
    might lose up to 90 percent of their
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    capacity. So you always have to pick a
    capacitor that's rated to a higher voltage
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    than what your output is to compensate for
    this effect, and you also need to put more
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    capacitors at your output than what you
    would think in an ideal situation. Mind
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    the transients! As I said, if you plan to
    hotplug, connect to live wires to your
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    converter, you have to keep in mind the
    inrush current. Those capacitors, when
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    they are fully discharged and you connect
    that to the input, then they will try to
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    charge to the input voltage as fast
    as the cabling lets that happen, and the
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    cables have inductance which will store
    energy and overshoot the input voltage.
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    When fiddling with MOSFETs, don't forget
    the ESD protection. MOSFETs are very
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    sensitive at their gate, because the oxide
    layer is so thin that even 20V voltage is
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    enough to break it down, and a 20V ESD
    strike is something you probably don't
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    even notice, but it can damage the
    MOSFETs. And ever avoid the 7800 series
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    LDO, because it's a very old part and I
    still see it in new designs, while there
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    are much better ones with better
    regulation, less quiescent current, and
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    it's also an LDO, so it's like just
    marginally related to DC/DCs. If
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    you make your own DC/DC converters instead
    of buying one, you should read the
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    datasheet and follow the instructions
    because the manufacturers give you a
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    proven tested layout, which is typically
    good advice to follow and you should only
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    deviate from that if you know what you're
    doing. I'm sorry
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    pause
    Alright, that mostly concludes what I was trying
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    to talk about and now it's time for your
    questions.
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    applause
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    Herald: Now there are two microphones one
    there and one over there, usually they
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    are… ah, here comes the light. Are there
    any questions? How about the signal angel,
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    does the internet have any questions? The
    internet doesn't have a question but
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    here's one up front.
    Q: What would you recommend instead of
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    screw terminals?
    Zoé: That's a very good question and that
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    really depends on the application. You can
    have different kind of screw terminals,
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    which use either crimped therminals on the
    cable so you have a cable shoe.
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    Q: Like a ring or something?
    Zoé: Yes. Because then there is no way that it can
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    slip out. For less current you can use
    dupont connectors, they can take like
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    2 to 3A per contact. You know the standard
    pin header and that kind of thing. And
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    there are also latching connectors from
    molex and other manufacturers. The problem
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    is with that you need crimping tools and
    those can be very expensive. So it first
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    makes sense to get those when you have a
    hackerspace or you can share it with other
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    people.
    Herald: The next question, please?
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    Q: Thank you for your talk. On your last
    slide last point you mentioned stability
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    analysis. What is your experience with
    running such converters in parallel for
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    redundancy and how would you do the
    analysis there?
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    Zoé: Running current mode converters
    parallel is typically okay, but they won't
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    do current sharing automatically. So this
    one converter has a certain output voltage
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    set and the other one has little bit
    different voltage, and that will create a
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    difference in their output currents, and
    there are topologies and there are
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    converters which are prepared for parallel
    operation and they can provide current
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    information to all of the parallel
    converters, and they can ultimately
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    synchronize. For stability, that should
    not influence the stability of it. What I
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    should have mentioned is stability
    analysis because we have a control loop.
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    The control loop takes the output and
    creates a control signal that influences
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    the output, but this loop has a delay, and
    because of this delay, basically you can
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    make an oscillator of this, and to avoid
    that, you can use a network analyzer and
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    inject a signal into the converter.
    Q: Thank you.
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    Herald: Yeah, you go ahead, over there.
    Q: Hi, what would you say the choice is
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    between a dis-synchronous mode or
    a forced-synchronous mode?
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    Zoé: That's a very good question. All
    right so when I talked about this briefly
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    and mentioned the synchronous converters,
    with forced synchronous converters you
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    have a control switch and those have
    typically fixed switch frequency. If the
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    output current is zero, then during half
    of the period current will flow backward
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    from the output capacitor to the input
    side and then the next half period that
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    current will flow back from the input to
    the output, so basically energy swings
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    between input and output and this causes
    efficiency loss, but this also avoids
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    operation in discontinuous mode, which
    reduces ripple and reduces EMI. So it
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    depends on your application.
    Q: Thanks.
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    Zoé: You're welcome.
    Herald: The next question?
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    Q: Hi, Zoé, thank you for the talk! I have
    a question about: you mentioned linear
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    regulators at the end, what are they used
    for in this context?
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    Zoé: you mean 7800 series?
    Q: Yes.
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    Q: Not, the one before, I think.
    Zoé: Those were very good regulators in
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    the 70s and those are linear regulators,
    and the problem with the 7800 series is
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    everybody knows about them because books
    are full of them but they have quite a few
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    milli amps of quiescent current. They also
    have bad regulation against load and line
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    transients and they are not cheaper than
    much of their alternatives, so there's
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    really no reason to use those. You can use
    for example a DC/DC pre-regulator and then
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    an LDO afterward to smooth out the
    voltage.
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    Q: Okay, thank you.
    Herald: Go ahead
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    Q: Thank you very much! My question is,
    you mentioned the noise coupled via the
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    inductor to the output. Which sort of
    filter do you recommend: differential
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    noise or common mode noise, and input or
    output? Which is most important from your
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    perspective?
    Zoé: So lots of the noise goes actually
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    back to the input supply and I said that
    in an ideal circuit the input capacitor is
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    not necessary, but in a real circuit the
    input capacitor is critical because the
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    input inductance is seen by by the switch.
    If you let me show you. On this chart you
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    see the inductor current and the input
    current, it follows the inductor current
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    only during the on phase which means after
    the end of the on phase and beginning of
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    the off phase it falls from maximum value
    to zero and later on at the end of the off
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    phase and the beginning of the on phase
    the current jumps from zero to the output
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    current, and these jumps in the supply
    current create an awful lot of EMI if the
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    input capacitor is not large enough so
    this is a very critical thing. I saw quite
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    a few converters where the input capacitor
    is under dimensioned and when you run it
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    over longer wires with more parasitic
    inductance, that can create a lot of EMI.
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    For ways of reducing the the noise on the
    output, the best way is to have proper
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    filtering capacitors. If you use ceramic
    capacitors and enough high enough value
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    you can get rid of almost all of the
    noise. I made a design which had microvolt
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    noise because I found a capacitor with its
    resonance frequency exactly at the
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    switching frequency, so basically all that
    noise that was coming from switching
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    action was reflected away and higher
    frequency ranges where it got filtered
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    dissipated much faster. You can
    use PI filters at the output but mind
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    that you worsen the transient behavior of
    your converters. So if your load suddenly
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    needs a lot more power and starts drawing
    more current, then your converter will
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    react slower because of the
    filter you just added. PI filters or RC
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    filters if you don't need that much
    current.
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    Q: Okay, thanks.
    Herald: Okay great I don't see any more
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    questions, so everything seems to be fully
    explained. Thank you and give her a
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    applause and good night.
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    applause
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    Zoé: Thank you
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