A new way to diagnose autism
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0:01 - 0:03I always wanted to become
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0:03 - 0:06a walking laboratory of social engagement,
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0:06 - 0:10to resonate other people's feelings, thoughts,
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0:10 - 0:15intentions, motivations, in the act of being with them.
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0:15 - 0:21As a scientist, I always wanted to measure that resonance,
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0:21 - 0:23that sense of the other that happens so quickly,
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0:23 - 0:26in the blink of an eye.
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0:26 - 0:28We intuit other people's feelings.
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0:28 - 0:29We know the meaning of their actions
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0:29 - 0:32even before they happen.
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0:32 - 0:34We're always in this stance of being
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0:34 - 0:37the object of somebody else's subjectivity.
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0:37 - 0:40We do that all the time. We just can't shake it off.
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0:40 - 0:42It's so important that the very tools that we use
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0:42 - 0:44to understand ourselves, to understand
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0:44 - 0:48the world around them, is shaped by that stance.
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0:48 - 0:51We are social to the core.
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0:51 - 0:54So my journey in autism really started when I lived
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0:54 - 0:58in a residential unit for adults with autism.
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0:58 - 1:01Most of those individuals had spent most of their lives
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1:01 - 1:05in long-stay hospitals. This is a long time ago.
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1:05 - 1:09And for them, autism was devastating.
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1:09 - 1:13They had profound intellectual disabilities.
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1:13 - 1:16They didn't talk. But most of all,
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1:16 - 1:20they were extraordinarily isolated
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1:20 - 1:23from the world around them, from their environment
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1:23 - 1:25and from the people.
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1:25 - 1:28In fact, at the time, if you walked into a school
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1:28 - 1:32for individuals with autism, you'd hear a lot of noise,
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1:32 - 1:38plenty of commotion, actions, people doing things,
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1:38 - 1:41but they're always doing things by themselves.
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1:41 - 1:46So they may be looking at a light in the ceiling,
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1:46 - 1:49or they may be isolated in the corner,
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1:49 - 1:52or they might be engaged in these repetitive movements,
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1:52 - 1:57in self-stimulatory movements that led them nowhere.
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1:57 - 2:00Extremely, extremely isolated.
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2:00 - 2:04Well, now we know that autism
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2:04 - 2:07is this disruption, the disruption of this resonance
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2:07 - 2:10that I am telling you.
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2:10 - 2:12These are survival skills.
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2:12 - 2:14These are survival skills that we inherited
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2:14 - 2:16over many, many hundreds of thousands of years
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2:16 - 2:19of evolution.
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2:19 - 2:24You see, babies are born in a state of utter fragility.
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2:24 - 2:26Without the caregiver, they wouldn't survive, so it stands
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2:26 - 2:28to reason that nature would endow them with
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2:28 - 2:32these mechanisms of survival.
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2:32 - 2:34They orient to the caregiver.
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2:34 - 2:38From the first days and weeks of life,
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2:38 - 2:41babies prefer to hear human sounds rather than just
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2:41 - 2:43sounds in the environment.
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2:43 - 2:45They prefer to look at people rather than at things,
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2:45 - 2:47and even as they're looking at people,
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2:47 - 2:50they look at people's eyes, because
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2:50 - 2:54the eye is the window to the other person's experiences,
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2:54 - 2:56so much so that they even prefer to look at people who are
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2:56 - 3:01looking at them rather than people who are looking away.
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3:01 - 3:03Well, they orient to the caregiver.
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3:03 - 3:05The caregiver seeks the baby.
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3:05 - 3:09And it's out of this mutually reinforcing choreography
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3:09 - 3:13that a lot that is of importance to the emergence of mind,
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3:13 - 3:18the social mind, the social brain, depends on.
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3:18 - 3:20We always think about autism
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3:20 - 3:25as something that happens later on in life.
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3:25 - 3:31It doesn't. It begins with the beginning of life.
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3:31 - 3:35As babies engage with caregivers, they soon realize
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3:35 - 3:39that, well, there is something in between the ears
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3:39 - 3:41that is very important --
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3:41 - 3:45it's invisible, you can't see -- but is really critical,
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3:45 - 3:46and that thing is called attention.
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3:46 - 3:49And they learn soon enough, even before they can
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3:49 - 3:52utter one word that they can take that attention
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3:52 - 3:58and move somewhere in order to get things they want.
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3:58 - 4:01They also learn to follow other people's gaze,
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4:01 - 4:03because whatever people are looking at is
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4:03 - 4:07what they are thinking about.
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4:07 - 4:09And soon enough, they start to learn about the meaning
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4:09 - 4:13of things, because when somebody is looking at something
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4:13 - 4:15or somebody is pointing at something,
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4:15 - 4:18they're not just getting a directional cue,
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4:18 - 4:20they are getting the other person's meaning
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4:20 - 4:23of that thing, the attitude, and soon enough
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4:23 - 4:27they start building this body of meanings,
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4:27 - 4:30but meanings that were acquired within the realm
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4:30 - 4:32of social interaction.
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4:32 - 4:34Those are meanings that are acquired as part
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4:34 - 4:38of their shared experiences with others.
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4:38 - 4:45Well, this is a little 15-month-old little girl,
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4:45 - 4:49and she has autism.
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4:49 - 4:52And I am coming so close to her that I am maybe
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4:52 - 4:56two inches from her face, and she's quite oblivious to me.
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4:56 - 4:58Imagine if I did that to you,
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4:58 - 5:00and I came two inches from your face.
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5:00 - 5:02You'd do probably two things, wouldn't you?
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5:02 - 5:06You would recoil. You would call the police. (Laughter)
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5:06 - 5:08You would do something, because it's literally impossible
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5:08 - 5:11to penetrate somebody's physical space
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5:11 - 5:12and not get a reaction.
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5:12 - 5:16We do so, remember, intuitively, effortlessly.
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5:16 - 5:17This is our body wisdom. It's not something that is
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5:17 - 5:22mediated by our language. Our body just knows that,
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5:22 - 5:25and we've known that for a long time.
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5:25 - 5:28And this is not something that happens to humans only.
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5:28 - 5:31It happens to some of our phylatic cousins,
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5:31 - 5:33because if you're a monkey,
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5:33 - 5:35and you look at another monkey,
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5:35 - 5:39and that monkey has a higher hierarchy position than you,
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5:39 - 5:42and that is considered to be a signal or threat,
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5:42 - 5:45well, you are not going to be alive for long.
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5:45 - 5:50So something that in other species are survival mechanisms,
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5:50 - 5:53without them they wouldn't basically live,
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5:53 - 5:56we bring into the context of human beings,
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5:56 - 6:00and this is what we need to simply act, act socially.
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6:00 - 6:03Now, she is oblivious to me, and I am so close to her,
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6:03 - 6:05and you think, maybe she can see you,
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6:05 - 6:07maybe she can hear you.
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6:07 - 6:09Well, a few minutes later, she goes to the corner of
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6:09 - 6:15the room, and she finds a tiny little piece of candy, an M&M.
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6:15 - 6:19So I could not attract her attention,
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6:19 - 6:22but something, a thing, did.
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6:22 - 6:24Now, most of us make a big dichotomy
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6:24 - 6:29between the world of things and the world of people.
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6:29 - 6:33Now, for this girl, that division line is not so clear,
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6:33 - 6:37and the world of people is not attracting her
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6:37 - 6:38as much as we would like.
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6:38 - 6:40Now remember that we learn a great deal
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6:40 - 6:42by sharing experiences.
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6:42 - 6:46Now, what she is doing right now is that
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6:46 - 6:50her path of learning is diverging moment by moment
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6:50 - 6:54as she is isolating herself further and further.
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6:54 - 6:57So we feel sometimes that the brain is deterministic,
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6:57 - 6:59the brain determines who we are going to be.
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6:59 - 7:02But in fact the brain also becomes who we are,
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7:02 - 7:06and at the same time that her behaviors are taking away
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7:06 - 7:09from the realm of social interaction, this is what's happening
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7:09 - 7:15with her mind and this is what's happening with her brain.
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7:15 - 7:20Well, autism is the most strongly genetic condition
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7:20 - 7:24of all developmental disorders,
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7:24 - 7:27and it's a brain disorder.
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7:27 - 7:29It's a disorder that begins much prior to the time
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7:29 - 7:32that the child is born.
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7:32 - 7:36We now know that there is a very broad spectrum of autism.
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7:36 - 7:38There are those individuals who are profoundly
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7:38 - 7:41intellectually disabled, but there are those that are gifted.
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7:41 - 7:44There are those individuals who don't talk at all.
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7:44 - 7:46There are those individuals who talk too much.
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7:46 - 7:48There are those individuals that if you observe them
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7:48 - 7:51in their school, you see them running the periphery fence
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7:51 - 7:54of the school all day if you let them,
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7:54 - 7:56to those individuals who cannot stop coming to you
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7:56 - 7:58and trying to engage you repeatedly, relentlessly,
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7:58 - 8:02but often in an awkward fashion,
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8:02 - 8:06without that immediate resonance.
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8:06 - 8:10Well, this is much more prevalent than we thought at the time.
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8:10 - 8:11When I started in this field, we thought that there were
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8:11 - 8:14four individuals with autism per 10,000,
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8:14 - 8:16a very rare condition.
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8:16 - 8:20Well, now we know it's more like one in 100.
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8:20 - 8:25There are millions of individuals with autism all around us.
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8:25 - 8:28The societal cost of this condition is huge.
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8:28 - 8:32In the U.S. alone, maybe 35 to 80 billion dollars,
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8:32 - 8:35and you know what? Most of those funds are associated
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8:35 - 8:37with adolescents and particularly adults
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8:37 - 8:39who are several disabled,
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8:39 - 8:41individuals who need wrap-around services, services
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8:41 - 8:44that are very, very intensive, and those services
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8:44 - 8:48can cost in excess of 60 to 80,000 dollars a year.
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8:48 - 8:52Those are individuals who did not benefit from early treatment,
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8:52 - 8:56because now we know that autism creates itself
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8:56 - 8:59as they diverge in that pathway of learning
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8:59 - 9:01that I mentioned to you.
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9:01 - 9:04Were we to be able to identify this condition
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9:04 - 9:08at an earlier point, and intervene and treat,
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9:08 - 9:10I can tell you, and this has been probably
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9:10 - 9:13something that has changed my life in the past 10 years,
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9:13 - 9:17this notion that we can absolutely attenuate
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9:17 - 9:19this condition.
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9:19 - 9:21Also, we have a window of opportunity, because
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9:21 - 9:24the brain is malleable for just so long,
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9:24 - 9:26and that window of opportunity happens
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9:26 - 9:27in the first three years of life.
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9:27 - 9:31It's not that that window closes. It doesn't.
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9:31 - 9:34But it diminishes considerably.
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9:34 - 9:38And yet, the median age of diagnosis in this country
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9:38 - 9:40is still about five years,
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9:40 - 9:42and in disadvantaged populations,
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9:42 - 9:45the populations that don't have access to clinical services,
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9:45 - 9:48rural populations, minorities,
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9:48 - 9:51the age of diagnosis is later still,
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9:51 - 9:53which is almost as if I were to tell you that we are
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9:53 - 9:56condemning those communities to have individuals
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9:56 - 10:00with autism whose condition is going to be more severe.
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10:00 - 10:03So I feel that we have a bio-ethical imperative.
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10:03 - 10:06The science is there,
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10:06 - 10:09but no science is of relevance if it doesn't have an impact
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10:09 - 10:13on the community, and we just can't afford
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10:13 - 10:15that missed opportunity,
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10:15 - 10:18because children with autism become adults with autism,
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10:18 - 10:22and we feel that those things that we can do
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10:22 - 10:24for these children, for those families, early on,
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10:24 - 10:27will have lifetime consequences,
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10:27 - 10:31for the child, for the family, and for the community at large.
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10:31 - 10:34So this is our view of autism.
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10:34 - 10:37There are over a hundred genes that are associated
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10:37 - 10:39with autism. In fact, we believe that there are going to be
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10:39 - 10:43something between 300 and 600 genes associated with autism,
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10:43 - 10:47and genetic anomalies, much more than just genes.
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10:47 - 10:51And we actually have a bit of a question here,
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10:51 - 10:55because if there are so many different causes of autism,
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10:55 - 10:58how do you go from those liabilities
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10:58 - 11:01to the actual syndrome? Because people like myself,
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11:01 - 11:04when we walk into a playroom,
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11:04 - 11:07we recognize a child as having autism.
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11:07 - 11:09So how do you go from multiple causes
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11:09 - 11:12to a syndrome that has some homogeneity?
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11:12 - 11:15And the answer is, what lies in between,
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11:15 - 11:18which is development.
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11:18 - 11:21And in fact, we are very interested in those first
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11:21 - 11:24two years of life, because those liabilities
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11:24 - 11:26don't necessarily convert into autism.
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11:26 - 11:29Autism creates itself.
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11:29 - 11:34Were we to be able to intervene during those years of life,
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11:34 - 11:36we might attenuate for some, and God knows,
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11:36 - 11:40maybe even prevent for others.
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11:40 - 11:42So how do we do that?
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11:42 - 11:45How do we enter that feeling of resonance,
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11:45 - 11:49how do we enter another person's being?
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11:49 - 11:52I remember when I interacted with that 15-month-older,
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11:52 - 11:54that the thing that came to mind was,
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11:54 - 11:57"How do you come into her world?
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11:57 - 12:01Is she thinking about me? Is she thinking about others?"
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12:01 - 12:06Well, it's hard to do that, so we had to create
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12:06 - 12:09the technologies. We had to basically step inside a body.
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12:09 - 12:13We had to see the world through her eyes.
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12:13 - 12:16And so in the past many years we've been building
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12:16 - 12:20these new technologies that are based on eye tracking.
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12:20 - 12:22We can see moment by moment
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12:22 - 12:25what children are engaging with.
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12:25 - 12:28Well, this is my colleague Warren Jones, with whom
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12:28 - 12:31we've been building these methods, these studies,
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12:31 - 12:33for the past 12 years,
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12:33 - 12:36and you see there a happy five-month-older,
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12:36 - 12:42it's a five-month little boy who is going to watch things
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12:42 - 12:45that are brought from his world,
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12:45 - 12:47his mom, the caregiver, but also experiences
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12:47 - 12:52that he would have were he to be in his daycare.
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12:52 - 12:54What we want is to embrace that world
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12:54 - 12:55and bring it into our laboratory,
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12:55 - 12:59but in order for us to do that, we had to create
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12:59 - 13:02these very sophisticated measures,
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13:02 - 13:05measures of how people, how little babies,
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13:05 - 13:08how newborns, engage with the world,
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13:08 - 13:10moment by moment,
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13:10 - 13:13what is important, and what is not.
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13:13 - 13:16Well, we created those measures, and here,
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13:16 - 13:20what you see is what we call a funnel of attention.
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13:20 - 13:22You're watching a video.
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13:22 - 13:24Those frames are separated by about a second
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13:24 - 13:27through the eyes of 35 typically developing
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13:27 - 13:29two-year-olds,
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13:29 - 13:32and we freeze one frame,
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13:32 - 13:35and this is what the typical children are doing.
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13:35 - 13:39In this scan pass, in green here, are two-year-olds with autism.
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13:39 - 13:43So on that frame, the children who are typical
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13:43 - 13:46are watching this,
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13:46 - 13:49the emotion of expression of that little boy
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13:49 - 13:51as he's fighting a little bit with the little girl.
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13:51 - 13:54What are the children with autism doing?
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13:54 - 13:57They are focusing on the revolving door,
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13:57 - 13:59opening and shutting.
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13:59 - 14:02Well, I can tell you that this divergence
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14:02 - 14:02that you're seeing here
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14:02 - 14:06doesn't happen only in our five-minute experiment.
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14:06 - 14:09It happens moment by moment in their real lives,
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14:09 - 14:12and their minds are being formed,
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14:12 - 14:15and their brains are being specialized in something other
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14:15 - 14:19than what is happening with their typical peers.
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14:19 - 14:22Well, we took a construct from
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14:22 - 14:25our pediatrician friends,
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14:25 - 14:27the concept of growth charts.
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14:27 - 14:29You know, when you take a child to the pediatrician,
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14:29 - 14:33and so you have physical height, and weight.
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14:33 - 14:36Well we decided that we're going to create growth charts
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14:36 - 14:38of social engagement,
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14:38 - 14:41and we sought children from the time that they are born,
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14:41 - 14:47and what you see here on the x-axis is two, three, four,
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14:47 - 14:51five, six months and nine, until about the age of 24 months,
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14:51 - 14:54and this is the percent of their viewing time
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14:54 - 14:55that they are focusing on people's eyes,
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14:55 - 14:58and this is their growth chart.
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14:58 - 15:01They start over here, they love people's eyes,
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15:01 - 15:03and it remains quite stable.
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15:03 - 15:07It sort of goes up a little bit in those initial months.
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15:07 - 15:09Now, let's see what's happening with babies
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15:09 - 15:12who became autistic.
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15:12 - 15:14It's something very different.
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15:14 - 15:18It starts way up here, but then it's a free fall.
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15:18 - 15:21It's very much like they brought into this world the reflex
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15:21 - 15:25that orients them to people, but it has no traction.
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15:25 - 15:28It's almost as if that stimulus, you,
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15:28 - 15:31you're not exerting influence on what happens
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15:31 - 15:35as they navigate their daily lives.
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15:35 - 15:41Now, we thought that those data were so powerful
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15:41 - 15:44in a way, that we wanted to see what happened
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15:44 - 15:47in the first six months of life, because if you interact
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15:47 - 15:49with a two- and a three-month-older,
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15:49 - 15:53you'd be surprised by how social those babies are.
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15:53 - 15:56And what we see in the first six months of life
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15:56 - 16:02is that those two groups can be segregated very easily.
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16:02 - 16:05And using these kinds of measures, and many others,
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16:05 - 16:09what we found out is that our science could, in fact,
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16:09 - 16:12identify this condition early on.
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16:12 - 16:15We didn't have to wait for the behaviors of autism
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16:15 - 16:18to emerge in the second year of life.
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16:18 - 16:21If we measured things that are, evolutionarily,
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16:21 - 16:25highly conserved, and developmentally very early emerging,
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16:25 - 16:28things that are online from the first weeks of life,
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16:28 - 16:30we could push the detection of autism
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16:30 - 16:32all the way to those first months,
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16:32 - 16:36and that's what we are doing now.
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16:36 - 16:39Now, we can create the very best technologies
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16:39 - 16:43and the very best methods to identify the children,
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16:43 - 16:46but this would be for naught if we didn't have an impact
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16:46 - 16:50on what happens in their reality in the community.
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16:50 - 16:52Now we want those devices, of course,
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16:52 - 16:55to be deployed by those who are in the trenches,
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16:55 - 16:57our colleagues, the primary care physicians,
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16:57 - 17:00who see every child,
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17:00 - 17:02and we need to transform those technologies
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17:02 - 17:05into something that is going to add value to their practice,
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17:05 - 17:08because they have to see so many children.
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17:08 - 17:10And we want to do that universally
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17:10 - 17:12so that we don't miss any child,
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17:12 - 17:14but this would be immoral
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17:14 - 17:19if we also did not have an infrastructure for intervention,
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17:19 - 17:20for treatment.
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17:20 - 17:23We need to be able to work with the families,
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17:23 - 17:26to support the families, to manage those first years
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17:26 - 17:30with them. We need to be able to really go
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17:30 - 17:34from universal screening to universal access to treatment,
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17:34 - 17:37because those treatments are going to change
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17:37 - 17:41these children's and those families' lives.
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17:41 - 17:45Now, when we think about what we [can] do
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17:45 - 17:49in those first years,
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17:49 - 17:51I can tell you,
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17:51 - 17:54having been in this field for so long,
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17:54 - 17:57one feels really rejuvenated.
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17:57 - 18:01There is a sense that the science that one worked on
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18:01 - 18:04can actually have an impact on realities,
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18:04 - 18:07preventing, in fact, those experiences
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18:07 - 18:11that I really started in my journey in this field.
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18:11 - 18:14I thought at the time that this was an intractable condition.
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18:14 - 18:18No longer. We can do a great deal of things.
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18:18 - 18:21And the idea is not to cure autism.
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18:21 - 18:24That's not the idea.
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18:24 - 18:26What we want is to make sure
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18:26 - 18:28that those individuals with autism can be free from
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18:28 - 18:33the devastating consequences that come with it at times,
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18:33 - 18:36the profound intellectual disabilities, the lack of language,
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18:36 - 18:39the profound, profound isolation.
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18:39 - 18:42We feel that individuals with autism, in fact,
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18:42 - 18:44have a very special perspective on the world,
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18:44 - 18:48and we need diversity, and they can work extremely well
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18:48 - 18:50in some areas of strength:
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18:50 - 18:53predictable situations, situations that can be defined.
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18:53 - 18:57Because after all, they learn about the world almost like
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18:57 - 19:01about it, rather than learning how to function in it.
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19:01 - 19:04But this is a strength, if you're working, for example,
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19:04 - 19:06in technology.
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19:06 - 19:08And there are those individuals who have incredible
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19:08 - 19:10artistic abilities.
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19:10 - 19:12We want them to be free of that.
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19:12 - 19:15We want that the next generations of individuals with autism
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19:15 - 19:18will be able not only to express their strengths
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19:18 - 19:20but to fulfill their promise.
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19:20 - 19:24Well thank you for listening to me. (Applause)
- Title:
- A new way to diagnose autism
- Speaker:
- Ami Klin
- Description:
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Early diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder can improve the lives of everyone affected, but the complex network of causes make it incredibly difficult to predict. At TEDxPeachtree, Ami Klin describes a new early detection method that uses eye-tracking technologies to gauge babies' social engagement skills and reliably measure their risk of developing autism. (Filmed at TEDxPeachTree.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
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Krystian Aparta commented on English subtitles for A new way to diagnose autism | |
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Krystian Aparta edited English subtitles for A new way to diagnose autism | |
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Krystian Aparta edited English subtitles for A new way to diagnose autism | |
| Morton Bast edited English subtitles for A new way to diagnose autism | ||
| Morton Bast edited English subtitles for A new way to diagnose autism | ||
| Thu-Huong Ha approved English subtitles for A new way to diagnose autism | ||
| Thu-Huong Ha edited English subtitles for A new way to diagnose autism | ||
| Thu-Huong Ha edited English subtitles for A new way to diagnose autism |

Krystian Aparta
The English transcript was updated on 11/21/2016. At 05:27, "phylatic" was changed to "phyletic." At 13:46, "emotion of expression" was changed to "emotional expression."