French-style education | Pamela Druckerman | TEDxParis
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0:04 - 0:06There are Americans
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0:06 - 0:10who dream of living in Paris
their whole lives. -
0:10 - 0:13I was not one of them.
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0:13 - 0:15I grew up in Miami
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0:15 - 0:19and I was always fascinated
by Latin America. -
0:19 - 0:23But in 2002, I was working
as a journalist in Argentina -
0:23 - 0:28and I met an English journalist
in a bar in Buenos Aires, -
0:28 - 0:31who had just bought
a tiny apartment in Paris. -
0:31 - 0:35Six months later, I was laid off
from my newspaper, -
0:35 - 0:37along with two hundred others,
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0:37 - 0:38and all of the American media
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0:38 - 0:41was in the process
of doing similar layoffs. -
0:41 - 0:47So, I soon found myself in Paris,
working as a freelance journalist -
0:48 - 0:54and living in 35 square meters
with an English man I barely knew. -
0:55 - 0:59At first, I couldn't figure out
where I fit into Paris. -
0:59 - 1:02In the United States,
you can customize everything. -
1:02 - 1:07I would like the chicken
but without cream, please, -
1:07 - 1:10and a salad,
but with the dressing on the side, -
1:10 - 1:13and then a coffee but with skim milk.
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1:13 - 1:16In Paris, you can't customize anything.
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1:16 - 1:19There was only one type
of milk used for coffee. -
1:19 - 1:24But I stayed in Paris,
and with my Englishman. -
1:24 - 1:28We got married and had a child,
and then two more. -
1:28 - 1:31And honestly, it was because of that
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1:31 - 1:35that I started to appreciate
the French culture -
1:35 - 1:38in relation to how you're raising
your children. -
1:38 - 1:42Okay, I know that you think
that France has been cursed -
1:42 - 1:46with a plague of spoiled brats.
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1:46 - 1:48But with all respect,
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1:48 - 1:50you don't know anything
about spoiled children. -
1:50 - 1:56In the United States, everything
a parent does is intended to protect, -
1:56 - 1:59but above all, to stimulate
their children. -
1:59 - 2:02This American tendency is not new.
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2:02 - 2:08In the 60s, the psychologist
Jean-Pierre Geay toured the United States. -
2:08 - 2:13And in each city he asked what he called
"The American Question": -
2:14 - 2:18"How can we speed up the stages
of our children's development?" -
2:22 - 2:28For 30 years, with the gap growing
between the rich and the poor in the US, -
2:28 - 2:30this tendency to say,
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2:30 - 2:33"The sooner, the better",
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2:33 - 2:36has accelerated in the United States.
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2:36 - 2:41We are all in some giant race
that starts in the cradle. -
2:42 - 2:45Today there are American children
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2:45 - 2:50who often have an extracurricular
activity every day of the week. -
2:50 - 2:55To deal with all of that, American moms
are becoming mommy-taxis, -
2:55 - 2:59and the whole family is organized
around a giant whiteboard, -
2:59 - 3:03color coordinated, like in a business.
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3:03 - 3:08A sociologist called this phenomenon
"the frenetic family". -
3:09 - 3:14You can image the impact
on American parents. -
3:14 - 3:20Satisfaction in couples has dropped
for the last twenty years. -
3:21 - 3:25Now non-parents are happier than parents,
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3:25 - 3:30and parents become less happy
with each new birth. -
3:31 - 3:33A study in Los Angeles concluded
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3:33 - 3:37that parents are no longer
authority figures; -
3:37 - 3:40they have become valets
for their children. -
3:40 - 3:43One person who participated in this study,
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3:43 - 3:48who conducted the study itself,
described the experience as -
3:48 - 3:52"the best contraception never invented."
(Laughter) -
3:52 - 3:58But yet, and yet, this intensive education
continues in the United States, -
3:58 - 4:02because we're afraid that,
if we don't do it, -
4:02 - 4:05we will penalize our children
in how they compare to others, -
4:05 - 4:09and we will lose this giant race.
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4:09 - 4:13I myself would have raised
my kids in the American style, -
4:13 - 4:16if I hadn't had them in France.
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4:16 - 4:20But having been surrounded
by French parents, -
4:20 - 4:23having educated my children in France,
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4:23 - 4:28I've discovered a completely different
and unique education style. -
4:29 - 4:31This interested me so much
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4:31 - 4:36that I conducted a three-year
study on the subject. -
4:38 - 4:40Okay, of course I'm generalizing.
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4:40 - 4:43It's not that all French parents
do the same thing. -
4:43 - 4:46But there are certain basic principles
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4:46 - 4:51that come generally
from French conventional wisdom. -
4:51 - 4:58Little by little, I came across,
I heard certain expressions, -
4:58 - 5:02of which I will share with you
8 of my favorites. -
5:04 - 5:06"Hello".
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5:06 - 5:09In the United States,
a child that comes to my home -
5:09 - 5:12is under no obligation to tell me,
"Hello," to greet me. -
5:12 - 5:17In Paris, "Hello" is a kind
of obsession for parents. -
5:17 - 5:19(Laughter)
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5:19 - 5:23I have a friend who told me
that when she has guests over, -
5:23 - 5:26her daughter must come say
"Hello," and if not, -
5:26 - 5:29she has to stay in her room
for the rest of the night. -
5:29 - 5:33Saying "Hello", is a way to show
that a child is well-raised, -
5:33 - 5:35of course, it's part of the social code,
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5:35 - 5:40but it's also helps them to learn
that they're not alone in the world, -
5:40 - 5:43it's the first step toward empathy.
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5:45 - 5:47"Wait".
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5:49 - 5:55At the grocery store, in school, at home,
I have heard the word "wait" a lot, -
5:55 - 5:58and it's true that French children
wait a lot. -
5:58 - 5:59(Laughter)
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5:59 - 6:04They wait for their turn,
for their meal to eat. -
6:04 - 6:10They are not supposed to interrupt adults;
they must wait for their turn to talk. -
6:10 - 6:14I like to believe that my children
were either born patient or not -
6:14 - 6:16as if it were a personality trait,
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6:16 - 6:20but French parents consider patience
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6:20 - 6:25like a kind of muscle that becomes
stronger with practice. -
6:25 - 6:27(Laughter)
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6:27 - 6:29"Wise".
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6:29 - 6:32In English, we say "Be good."
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6:33 - 6:36In French, you say "Be wise."
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6:37 - 6:40"Good" implies good behavior,
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6:40 - 6:44but this could also be the behavior
of a wild animal. -
6:44 - 6:49"Wise" implies that the child has
a certain understanding of the situation, -
6:49 - 6:52and that we trust him.
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6:53 - 7:00Françoise Dolto, who is almost unknown
in the United States, to English speakers, -
7:00 - 7:03said that even babies are rational.
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7:04 - 7:07And I've seen French mothers in France
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7:07 - 7:11who have taught their toddlers
how to behave at the table -
7:11 - 7:13and how to behave in public.
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7:13 - 7:18And to my great astonishment,
these little children listened. -
7:21 - 7:23"You have to try it".
(Laughter) -
7:23 - 7:27I don't know if you have ever seen
a menu in a French daycare, -
7:27 - 7:30it's like a menu in a restaurant.
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7:30 - 7:34There are four dishes, including
a different cheese every day. -
7:34 - 7:39I have been present during these meals
for my research, and I can confirm -
7:39 - 7:43that these little French children
eat endive purée and blue cheese, -
7:43 - 7:46and then discuss the flavors
with one another. -
7:46 - 7:48(Laughter)
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7:48 - 7:52Of course there are
difficult French children, -
7:52 - 7:55but you are far away
from our world of chicken nuggets -
7:55 - 7:59and pizza as the only
things children will eat. -
7:59 - 8:04At home, parents apply
some principles of good sense. -
8:04 - 8:07First, no one snacks between meals,
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8:07 - 8:10that way, the child comes
to the table hungry. -
8:11 - 8:15Secondly, parents serve
the vegetables first, -
8:15 - 8:20so the first thing the hungry child
encounters is grated carrots. -
8:20 - 8:24And thirdly, it's very simple,
but for me it's like magic, -
8:24 - 8:28they must try everything,
because it's by trying new foods -
8:28 - 8:31that you learn to like them,
even for adults. -
8:32 - 8:34"Balance".
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8:34 - 8:38In the United States,
I know parents of six-year-olds -
8:38 - 8:42that have never spent a night
away from their children. -
8:42 - 8:46In France, I know parents who spend
one weekend a month by themselves. -
8:46 - 8:50Here, the couple is seen
as the foundation of the family. -
8:50 - 8:54A magazine said that if your libido
hasn't returned -
8:54 - 9:00by 4 to 6 months after childbirth,
you should seek professional help. -
9:01 - 9:06I know that moms, especially
French mothers, are very busy. -
9:06 - 9:13They try to balance their lives
as wives, moms, workers, friends. -
9:14 - 9:18But they do not value,
like they do in the United States, -
9:18 - 9:21this complete motherhood.
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9:21 - 9:24Here in France, balance is the ideal.
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9:25 - 9:29No one part of life is supposed
to take priority over the others. -
9:29 - 9:31"Autonomy".
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9:31 - 9:36Like us, you tell your children,
"Good job," but a bit less. -
9:37 - 9:40You understand that self-confidence comes
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9:40 - 9:47when children do things well,
on their own, and for themselves. -
9:47 - 9:52In France, children are responsible
from a much earlier age than Americans, -
9:52 - 9:57for things like loading the dishwasher,
or helping with preparing meals. -
9:57 - 10:02Here, the ideal is a framework
of firm limits, -
10:02 - 10:05but on the inside, complete freedom.
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10:07 - 10:09"It's my decision."
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10:09 - 10:12I say this in French normally
because it's stronger. -
10:12 - 10:15I have a neighbor
who spent a whole afternoon -
10:15 - 10:20teaching me to say "no" to my son
in a convincing manner. -
10:20 - 10:22"No. No!"
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10:22 - 10:27He got out of the sandbox
every 5 minutes, and I ran after him. -
10:28 - 10:31I was screaming, he was crying.
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10:31 - 10:37Like many American parents,
I was afraid to say "no" to my child. -
10:37 - 10:39I thought that it would traumatize him.
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10:39 - 10:41My neighbor told me,
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10:41 - 10:45"You have to believe that you have the
right to tell him 'no.'" -
10:45 - 10:52And in fact, after I said "no"
in a convincing manner, with conviction, -
10:52 - 10:55he calmed down, he played by himself.
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10:55 - 11:00For the first time,
we had a quiet day in the sun. -
11:00 - 11:03This one's my favorite: "Poop sausage."
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11:03 - 11:07My daughter came home from daycare
one day, and said "poop sausage." -
11:08 - 11:12My husband and I looked at her, perplexed.
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11:12 - 11:14What does that mean, "poop sausage?"
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11:14 - 11:18We understood that it was a dirty word
just for toddlers. -
11:18 - 11:23We didn't know whether
it should be laughed at or forbidden. -
11:23 - 11:27Finally, we understood
that saying "poop sausage" -
11:27 - 11:31is naughty, but only a little naughty.
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11:31 - 11:35And that's exactly what makes it fun.
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11:36 - 11:39Children have so many rules and limits,
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11:39 - 11:43that sometimes they have
to say "poop sausage." -
11:43 - 11:49We can say it together: "poop sausage."
(Laughter) -
11:49 - 11:54All of these little words and phrases
contribute to creating -
11:54 - 11:58another way to envision parental roles.
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11:59 - 12:03Rather than protecting children
from every little frustration, -
12:03 - 12:10you try to expose them to it a little;
you teach them to face it. -
12:11 - 12:16You are very involved parents,
but you let children live their own lives. -
12:17 - 12:23At least when you have a spoiled child,
you consider it a problem. -
12:23 - 12:27I think that you have found
an excellent balance -
12:27 - 12:31between the old methods
and modern psychology. -
12:31 - 12:36My proof is that the things
that you do intuitively -
12:36 - 12:39are confirmed by current scientific data.
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12:40 - 12:46For example, make him wait a little,
and the baby will sleep through the night. -
12:46 - 12:50It is pointless to teach
a toddler how to read. -
12:50 - 12:56She needs much more to learn
social skills, and just to play. -
12:57 - 13:00And too much praise leaves
children less confident. -
13:00 - 13:05Believe me, it's an advantage
not to be a society -
13:05 - 13:08that's always looking for
"the next big thing." -
13:08 - 13:13In France, you are pragmatic,
and you stick to what works. -
13:15 - 13:21But I know that I'm taking to Parisians,
and that you're suspicious of compliments. -
13:21 - 13:27I've seen that, if your children
get 20 out of 20 on a test in school, -
13:27 - 13:31you think something
is wrong with the teacher. -
13:33 - 13:36And I can reassure you:
you are not perfect. -
13:36 - 13:41You have the lowest percentage
of breastfeeding in all of western Europe. -
13:41 - 13:45I have the impression that unfortunately,
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13:45 - 13:49your schools instill more fear
than confidence in students. -
13:49 - 13:51And, personally, I prefer
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13:51 - 13:56American children's books,
with their happy endings. -
13:56 - 14:01I know that you think
our American optimism is a little naive, -
14:01 - 14:06but that's what allows us to create
enterprises, and win Nobel prizes. -
14:06 - 14:09(Applause)
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14:09 - 14:11Thank you.
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14:11 - 14:14But we can also learn from you.
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14:14 - 14:17And the greatest lesson I've learned
from French parents -
14:17 - 14:22is that it is not just the result
of education that matters. -
14:22 - 14:27The experience from spending 18 years
together as a family, -
14:27 - 14:28that matters as well.
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14:28 - 14:34It's now been almost 10 years
since I moved to Paris, and I can say -
14:34 - 14:38that I have not been entirely converted.
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14:38 - 14:43I still find Paris
a little formal and distant, -
14:43 - 14:49but at least you now have Starbucks,
so I can have skimmed milk in my coffee. -
14:50 - 14:53And sometimes my husband complains
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14:53 - 14:56that I've become more French
than the French. -
14:56 - 15:00Perhaps I should leave Paris while I can.
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15:00 - 15:04I doubt I'll spend my whole life here.
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15:05 - 15:11But thanks to French parenthood,
I've found my place here a little bit. -
15:12 - 15:16And for that, I would like to tell you
that magic word, "thank you." -
15:16 - 15:18(Applause)
- Title:
- French-style education | Pamela Druckerman | TEDxParis
- Description:
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Other countries, other expressions, and another style of education. Pamela Druckerman, American journalist and writer, traveled the world before definitively settling in Paris in 2004. Now a mother and recognized writer, she reconciles cultural differences in children's education.
This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences.
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- French
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- Duration:
- 15:23
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Nadine Hennig
Hi all of you!
I did the French transcription of this talk and I have a question: The eight language examples that she is naming, don't they have to remain in French and put in English in brackets or parentheses? It doesn't make sense to me, if everything is in English.
Best, Nadine