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Ask Swami with Swami Sarvapriyananda | June 25th, 2017

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    so we have questions from across the
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    world thousands of people in the our
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    virtual audience and also questions from
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    our live audience here so we will take a
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    question from the virtual audience first
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    and then I will get your questions ready
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    I'll ask you to raise your hands and you
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    can come forward and ask your questions
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    here
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    yes Diane okay sorry we have questions
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    start off with about which path which
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    guru and what duty and South questions
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    come from Jo T with the fish vision and
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    Cleveland Ohio and he says how does one
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    to left a path to follow
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    for example Kriya yoga Siddhanta bhakti
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    etcetera singing the Ramayan for example
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    brings me to tears routinely since it
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    talks at the heart this link uh Vedantic
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    talks is so utterly logical that it
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    appeals to the scientists however I do
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    not want to give the proverbial well in
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    too many races looking for water it
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    appears this is a question that one has
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    to answer for oneself again hoping for
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    your guidance for a way out of this
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    dilemma so those of us who are still
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    living active samsara life then which
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    guru related to the above question it is
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    said that even the most knowledgeable
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    guru cannot actually make one experience
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    the divine Brahma yet the need for a
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    guru is emphasized for spiritual
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    guidance it's also said that for the
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    true seeker the Guru finds the disciple
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    and not the other way around
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    the definition of the truth seeker may
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    not fully applied to many like me
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    however you have to do exactly such
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    people that perhaps need help from us
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    how would one know it is time how would
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    one recognized as Lulu how should one
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    seeker glue
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    if one moves forward to choose a group
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    then doesn't want automatically
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    pre-select a particular path that brings
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    us back to question number one and if
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    then then we have a question from Niraj
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    who says I'm writing for guidance for
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    one of the common problems we often hear
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    and read about that you should follow
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    your beauty but I don't know what is my
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    duty how I decide so these are questions
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    regarding the spiritual path and guru
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    you see all the paths can be
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    fundamentally classified into the for
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    yoga Swami where they can just spoke
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    about gana yoga the path of
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    philosophical discrimination will be
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    realized that I am Brahman by in an
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    intuition by philosophy then there is
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    the path of meditation Raja Yoga
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    Patanjali yoga where the idea is to
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    meditate to calm the mind down so that
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    the truth becomes evident that I am the
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    witness self then there is the path of
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    love which is the most common in in all
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    the religions of the world where there
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    is faith in God and love and surrender
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    to God and trying to live live a godly
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    life then there is a path of converting
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    our our actions into spiritual practice
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    the path of service karma yoga all these
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    are different paths to spiritual
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    realization and in the different
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    religions of the world you will find
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    basically these are the main types of
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    practices they may go under various
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    names there may be various mixtures of
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    these folks but fundamentally these are
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    the four kinds of practices we find in
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    spiritual life it's interesting to note
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    that we have even psychology says we
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    have three kinds of powers there is a
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    cognitive domain thinking
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    there is the cognitive domain we'll
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    doing something and there is the
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    affective domain emotion feeling these
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    are the three aspects of our psyche and
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    you can easily see that the three of
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    them are related to three of the yoga's
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    one of them is related the cognitive
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    domain is related to gana yoga the
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    affective domain - bhakti yoga and the
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    cognitive domain - Karma Yoga and Raja
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    Yoga of course is the power of
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    concentration of focus so all of these
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    powers are present in each of us Swami
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    Vivekananda he pointed out that people
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    are different
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    the same size shirt will not fit with
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    any two persons so people are different
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    we have different natures some are more
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    active some are more contemplative some
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    are by nature more rational and
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    inquisitive some are devotional they
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    find it much easier to love and
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    surrender so depending on our own nature
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    the kind of path we take it depends a
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    great deal on on our own nature the the
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    safest and the most comprehensive path
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    Swami Vivekananda recommended for
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    everybody he said the harmony of the
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    four yoga's karma yoga bhakti yoga raja
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    yoga and ghana yoga it is the harmony of
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    the four yoga's that is the path that is
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    most suitable for our modern age in our
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    lives we should have a component of a
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    philosophy of reasoning of understanding
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    we should have a component of meditation
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    daily meditation and a component where
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    you love and worship and adore God in
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    whatever form that is your tradition or
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    what appeals to you and also make sure
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    that our lives are of use to others in
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    karma yoga so all of these four yoga's
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    are part of our spiritual practice if
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    you see the emblem of the Ramakrishna
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    order you find nothing here in the
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    lectern emblem of the Ramakrishna order
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    which Swami Vivekananda's EIN here in
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    the
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    Society of New York he said that the
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    emblem represents all the four aspects
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    you have the baby waters which represent
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    karma you have the Sun of knowledge
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    rising in the back gana yoga you have
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    the Lotus of bhakti and then you have
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    the encircling serpent which represents
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    the power of Kundalini which in turn
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    represents yoga Patanjali over the power
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    of concentration so by by understanding
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    by devotion by action and by meditation
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    one can realize God this is what he
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    recommended now depending on our nature
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    the particular mix that we will follow
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    will vary you start off with all four
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    and you will see over time you may be
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    more attracted to Ghani yoga you may be
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    a bhakta you may be more attracted to
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    bhakti yoga you see you notice within
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    yourself that reciting the Ramayana
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    brings tears to your eyes but that says
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    something about your nature so one may
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    have on may develop a tendency towards
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    the walk towards one of these paths and
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    the other should also be kept even
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    though you may not be particularly
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    attracted to a particular path which
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    should be kept as a part of one
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    spiritual repertoire the reason is even
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    if you are not not very comfortable or
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    it's not very easy for us to do one
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    thing somebody says I love working I
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    love serving people but don't ask me to
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    meditate but invariably this one we will
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    ask you to meditate somebody wants to
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    meditate a lot and he is told to go and
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    go and work swami ashok ananda said when
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    I tell you to work I can see the
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    rebellious look on your face you think
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    perhaps that the Swami does not think
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    highly of my my capabilities as a
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    spiritual seeker perhaps he thinks I am
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    NOT ready for meditation well I will
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    show him and then Ashok aunty says and
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    you will show me but not in the way you
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    think so often the path which we are
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    uncomfortable with or which we
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    not capable of doing so far those are
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    the parts which which are of maximum
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    benefit to us because those are the
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    sides of our personality we have not yet
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    developed it's good to operate in a zone
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    of minimal discomfort in the zone of
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    absolute comfort growth is not possible
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    in the result of great discomfort again
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    growth is disturbed but some discomfort
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    where you are pushing yourself a little
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    beyond your present capabilities that's
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    when we grow so the harmony of the four
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    yoga's is to be kept in one spiritual
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    life guru is very important in spiritual
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    life especially in the Indian traditions
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    one reason is these are knowledge
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    traditions and knowledge always requires
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    a a teacher in fact one of the ways in
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    which we conceive of God or Brahman in
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    Hinduism is as the adi guru the first
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    guru the guru of gurus in fact a famous
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    guru stotra mr. guru brahma guru vishnu
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    guru devo maheswara guru deva param
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    brahma tasmai shri gurave namaha now
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    whom should you select as a guru really
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    speaking guru is selected for you
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    already that's what we hear from our
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    tradition but a certain criteria are
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    mentioned in our innovate antic texts
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    and open ishod's shroud tree of brahman
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    East a karma hata one is the person must
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    be well-versed in the tradition which
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    tradition in Vedanta we will say
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    vedantic tradition must we will well
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    learn it in the Upanishads Gita in the
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    brahma sutras in vedantic text and abel
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    and must have the ability to transfer
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    this knowledge but it need not be
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    limited to the vedantic tradition
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    whatever tradition the guru should
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    represent some tradition there is a lot
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    of discussion about this why can't a
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    person who has realized the truth in a
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    person who is illumined does not belong
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    to any particular tradition why can't
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    such a person be my guru well can be but
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    really it's very difficult to know who
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    is illumined and who is not
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    and therefore when you go out say for
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    example you go out to a store to buy
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    something you would rather buy say
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    computer or or anything a stove or or a
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    piece of equipment which has the brand
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    in an accepted brand an apple or
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    something like that
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    which which you which people trust and
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    which people believe and which has
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    delivered the goods again and again so
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    there is some quality control you know
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    that when it comes from this particular
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    brand there is some assurance of quality
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    if you're going to buy a computer for
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    example you go to the shop and you buy a
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    computer but if you see a guy standing
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    outside the store and saying hey come
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    here
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    I made this computer in my garage and
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    it's better than any computer we'll get
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    in that store now mind you he may be
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    right he just may be right who knows but
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    he may not be right also and you have
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    only that much money to spend now almost
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    always you will go and buy something
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    from the store because there's a
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    guarantee of safety there now in the
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    same way we have these traditions there
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    are Vaishnava traditions there are non
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    dualist traditions there dualist
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    traditions their shakta tradition Shiva
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    traditions their traditions in
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    Christianity various traditions in the
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    different religions of the world in
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    Buddhism in other religions of the world
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    where something has continued for
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    centuries for millennia we talked about
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    the Buddha to the 2500 years this
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    tradition is continued and there are
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    reports of enlightened persons in this
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    tradition year after year century after
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    century so you know it works so the
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    person who is teaching us belong to some
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    tradition and must be learn it in at
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    least in that tradition must have the
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    ability to transfer the knowledge of
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    restoration
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    that's one but that's not enough second
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    there are scholars who are learning in
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    the tradition but does that person
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    practice it in his or her own life
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    second thing is Brahman Easter is the
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    entire life built around that teaching
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    is the entire life built around
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    spirituality brahma-nistham means
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    dedicated to
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    established in Bremen if the person is a
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    human nothing like it the person is an
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    enlightened person nothing like it
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    that's best of course but that's very
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    rare and that's very difficult for us to
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    verify what we can do is look at the
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    person's life is that person leading a
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    spiritual a this is primarily a
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    spiritual person or a spiritual teaching
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    a part-time job for that person so
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    Brahman Ishta means person must be a
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    full-time dedicated at least a spiritual
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    seeker is not a person who is already
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    enlightened and the third criterion for
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    a guru is a car Mahuta literally
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    translates into not injured or not
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    destroyed by desire does the Guru want
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    anything from you if it says pure ways
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    to God realization $100 course crash
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    course in meditation $50 come and I'll
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    teach you meditation in three days you
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    may crash but I don't know if you should
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    really learn how to and there is some
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    utility there may be again I'm not
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    denying it because the person may know
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    certain techniques and is teaching the
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    technique but a general a good rule of
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    thumb is the guru should not be making
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    millions out of the Guru business there
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    is somebody who joked he said there's
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    only one business which is not affected
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    by Wall Street it goes ups and downs in
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    the economy and that's the religion
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    business so it should not be a business
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    it should not be way where the Guru
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    wants something from you that's why the
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    idea was all knowledge and specially
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    spiritual knowledge is sacred and
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    therefore free in the traditional
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    ashrams in India the Guru would actually
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    support the disciple staying in Daschle
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    it take the help of the king or the
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    other rich benefactors in society but
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    those who are studying and learning in
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    the ashram they were not expected to pay
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    anything to the Guru only after
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    completion of studies they would might
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    might give a gift of guru Dakshina
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    so these are the three criterion Shaurya
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    well learn it in a particular trade
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    where does this person come from you
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    should ask that question
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    second completely dedicated to spiritual
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    life and third is does not want anything
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    material from me okay and the last
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    question was about what is my duty in
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    life well there is a in traditional
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    scriptures you find the concept of
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    swadharma your own karma that was easily
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    defined in ancient India not so easy
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    today why was it defined in ancient
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    India because they had a rigid social
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    structure they were castes and there was
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    this what is called ash Rama that means
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    stages of life so there are four castes
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    in general the priestly the the warrior
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    caste and the business class and a caste
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    and the laborer cast before caste and
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    before stages of life where your student
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    and then you were a householder then you
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    were a retired person and then you are a
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    sannyasi a renunciate now the idea of
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    Duty was built around this structure how
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    did it work it worked like this there's
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    an equation what is your duty in life
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    swadharma they will say ashram and herma
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    first if the five components ashram
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    adharma ashram adharma means the duty of
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    your station in life whether you are a
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    student or a householder your duty will
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    change the second one is a word no
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    Dharma that means the duty determined by
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    the cast by your family profession for
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    example what you choose to do in those
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    days it was very very little choice
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    people sort of went into the profession
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    of the parents and all that so are you a
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    priest are you an administrator or your
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    businessman are you a worker what are
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    you so that is another component of your
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    duty the third one was varnasrama-dharma
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    the conjunction of the two are you a
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    householder who is an administrator or a
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    warrior then you have a duty are you
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    householder who is a priest when you
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    have some some other duty so for example
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    when Krishna and Arjuna speak Arjuna is
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    asking questions about what he should do
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    and what he should not do now in this
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    matrix which I am drawing for you look
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    at where Arjuna is placed he is a
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    householder and he's a shot Rhea a
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    warrior so he's a warrior householder so
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    he has some particular duties if he was
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    a priest and household they would have
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    some other duties if he was a business
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    family and and a householder would have
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    some other duty so what neshama Dharma
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    the third one is called vitiation her
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    militia Dharma means specific specific
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    duties which come with your particular
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    situation in life so for example Arjuna
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    for that time being is a general in the
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    in the Pandava army he was not earlier
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    and he would not be later on but at that
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    particular time he is a general in the
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    Pandava army and so being a general
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    gives him some special duties he's not
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    just a warrior is not just any other
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    householder he is also the general of
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    the army I remember a lesson in this way
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    I was taught this a long time ago when I
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    was appointed the head the principal of
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    a college but that that was a long time
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    back 2002 and I was as I said quite
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    night so I was made the principal and
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    then they said so he worked from now on
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    you are in charge of the college and I
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    always had this monastic identity strong
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    in me I said look I don't care about all
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    this I'm a monk and that's it from then
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    the principal who was retiring before me
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    he sat me down he was not a monk he was
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    a professor a householder but he handed
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    over charge to me he sat me down and in
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    private nobody knows about this and for
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    the first time speaking out he said look
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    I was not yet a Swami I was a brahmacari
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    if he said look Maharaj
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    I understand and appreciate your
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    monastic ideals but also remember as
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    long as you are sitting in this chair
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    you are the principal of the college and
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    people look up to you and as long as you
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    are you have taken up this role you must
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    play this role - you cannot say that I'm
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    just a monk I am NOT the principal so
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    that's called vitiation Irma I was not
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    the principal earlier and I am NOT the
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    principal of the college anymore
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    but if as long as you are there you are
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    expected to fulfill a role now look at
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    the roles that we fulfill in life there
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    are specific roles in situations you may
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    be the manager of a company there are
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    duties for that you may be a father or a
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    mother there are duties for that you may
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    be a son or a daughter there are duties
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    for that you may be a friend a member of
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    the community if you accept that you are
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    a citizen of the country if you accept
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    that I am a member of this community if
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    these are the roles you accept yes then
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    you cannot refuse to fulfill the
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    obligations which come with that role
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    you have to what is the connection with
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    spiritual life remember all of this is
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    meant for spiritual development do it
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    positively do it seriously it helps in
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    spiritual development
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    howsoever leti but it does help so this
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    is called vishesha Dharma and the last
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    one is Sardar and herma general dharma
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    which are truth unselfishness
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    self-control something that human
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    qualities everybody must have these fall
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    within the universal norm of everybody
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    so what have I said the question was
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    what is your Dharma and the answer again
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    in traditional old India will not work
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    so easily today was swadharma your own
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    Dharma is equal to ashram adharma warna
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    Dharma varnasrama dharma vish a Dharma
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    and sad hardened thermo the five
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    components your stage your station in
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    life your role in life the combination
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    of your station enroll and then your
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    specific situation in life and the
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    general qualities of a human being
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    so these are all part of your duty now
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    this may not be specifically applicable
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    to anybody let alone in the world even
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    in India today because the old system is
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    broken not twisted now but it can get
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    throw some light on what I'm supposed to
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    do now a simple answer would be a
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    principle which I take anything that
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    takes you Godward towards spiritual
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    realization is your duty anything that
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    takes you away from God is not your duty
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    yes all right yes there's a question
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    please come forward if to speak in the
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    microphone please tell us your name I
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    know your name but for the internet
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    audience please it what do we sit when
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    we read the gospel of ramakrishna sir
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    over and over again he says God has
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    become all this again come all beings
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    serve Jeeva Shiva
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    and we've heard from Holy Mother that
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    Ramakrishna is definitely in there void
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    but if these statements that God has
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    become all doesn't sound like the world
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    is a rope which we mistake for a snake
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    so my question is is Ramakrishna a
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    Shankara advisor okay difficult question
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    but thank you because these are the
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    questions that I enjoyed first of all a
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    traditional Advaita
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    would say would summarize his position
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    as brahma satyam jagat mithya Jeeva
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    Brahman even opera which means this rope
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    snake example which you mentioned
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    Brahman alone is real the world is in
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    appearance and Who am I
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    a real order in appearance you are real
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    you are none other than brahmana Brahman
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    is real
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    the world is an appearance and you the
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    individual being you are actually
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    Brahman
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    now when Ramakrishna says everything in
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    the world is Brahman is God and worship
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    everything as Shiva
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    Giani ji receiver worship all ji
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    in the knowledge that it is cheaper it
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    can very well be interpreted in terms of
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    traditional Advaita why you said that it
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    doesn't seem to quite match the rope
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    snake example it does actually we the
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    way we are seeing the world how do we
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    see the world right now unless you are
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    enlightened right now the way we
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    understand the world is these are human
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    beings some of them are for my friends
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    some of them I don't like some of them I
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    like a lot some of them I mean
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    indifferent to and these are Birds these
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    are animals these are insects these are
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    in sentient things like tables and
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    chairs and buildings and atoms and
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    galaxies this is how we see the universe
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    we actually do not see the universe as
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    God Brahman we read about it we hear
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    lectures about it but we do not see it
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    we are seeing the snake we are not
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    seeing the rope even on Ramakrishna's
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    position actually one Yemeni says
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    everything is God here we don't see it
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    that way it sounds nice it's nice to
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    think about it but actually we don't
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    feel it he sees it for him it's a
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    reality he sees the rope we see the
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    snake and the snake has to be corrected
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    by knowledge that it is all brahman so
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    from an from that perspective it matches
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    the traditional advaitha position a
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    traditional adverting would find no
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    fault in ceramic richness things would
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    be happy with it but then there are lots
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    of things which Ramakrishna said which
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    cannot be so conveniently packaged away
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    as traditional of Greater somebody it's
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    in the letters of Swami Tori Ananda I
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    think it's a Swami Sivananda who wrote
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    to Swami Torian and the what was the
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    philosophy of sri ramakrishna somewhat
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    like your question was the anon dualist
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    was he a qualified monist
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    was he a duelist ad waiting we she
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    stopped waiting Drayton or something
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    else and so long reply which Swami
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    Torian on the G is given wonderful reply
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    it's worth reading when he discusses
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    various facets of what Sri Ramakrishna's
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    taught and then he says but if you push
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    me so give me a straight answer what is
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    the philosophy of ceramics
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    then he says I will have to say the
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    philosophy of Sri Ramakrishna is realize
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    God by whatever means possible in
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    Bengali it's even more direct Joshua Rey
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    Pavan LabCorp by whatever means possible
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    realized God that at the cohort seems to
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    be what ceramic Krishna said but he gave
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    a lot of emphasis on on advaitha because
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    he said base yourself on Advaitic
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    knowledge and then practice whatever you
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    want to practice one of the things he
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    said but then he also put tremendous
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    emphasis on bhakti love of God good
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    question one more question from the
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    internet audience now yes so it will
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    come to you there was a question here
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    also yeah there - now a question from
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    the Internet audience the question is
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    fish in his discourses Swamiji mentions
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    that everything we experience in our
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    lives are objects such as the body soul
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    memory and that even a sense of I is
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    also an object if the sense of I is an
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    object unaware of when away it must be
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    in the racing mind
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    how then do we claim that it was I who
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    is in deep sleep how do we have the
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    memory of the blackness of deep sleep
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    and awake in mind this question has been
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    troubling me and I would really
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    appreciate it if you could answer this
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    in the next minute
  • 28:09 - 28:11
    that's a second question I'll repeat it
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    for you in case you missed it he says
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    Envy danta all of this these are objects
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    for consciousness quite clearly look
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    around you everything that you
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    experience is an object and you are the
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    subject in your experience isn't that
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    true if you look at your body that's the
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    same thing the body that you experience
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    is an object in your awareness the mind
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    that we experience if you experience the
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    mind then mind is also an object and in
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    the
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    the ego the i-ight if you feel it right
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    now I if you feel it if you experience
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    it within yourself no matter how subtle
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    it's still an object
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    now this eye disappears in deep sleep
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    and yet when I wake up in deep sleep we
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    don't feel I am sleeping of course not
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    if you feel that you are not sleeping
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    this is just a blankness but when we
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    wake up you say that I slipped and yet
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    that I was not there it's an object
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    which was not during deep sleep but the
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    question is how do you reconcile this I
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    Who am NOT there I claim that I slipped
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    it's a very subtle question and if you
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    can answer this question and grasp the
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    answer to this question at the very
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    least you have grasped or greater and at
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    best you will get enlightened that's how
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    powerful this question is here is the
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    question points to a fault line in Maya
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    there is a crack in this illusion we are
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    living and this question actually points
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    to that that that fault line if you
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    investigate their Maya does not want you
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    to investigate it'll direct you here and
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    there but if you investigate there the
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    crack widens till the whole illusion
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    disappears and the truth is should be to
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    you the answer to the question is this
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    if you only have understood the question
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    then only the answer will make sense the
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    answer to the question is this that I
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    which was an original is an object in
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    your waking state that I which was not
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    there in deep sleep it is true that I
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    did not experience deep sleep and yet
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    upon waking up when the mind starts
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    functioning that eye comes up it claims
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    that falsely I was asleep it claims that
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    I was asleep
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    what does it claim it takes the
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    experiences which are still there
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    and there is a witness which recognizes
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    the deep sleep experience that witness
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    is not the eye the witness is the
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    witness of the eye also right now when
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    you feel I am i what is feeling the eye
  • 31:16 - 31:20
    right now that witness it continues when
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    the eye also shuts down I mean the this
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    this I shot down and the vertical eye
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    also shuts down in deep sleep that
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    witness continues and the experience of
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    deep sleep is a technical point the
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    experience of deep sleep is recorded in
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    our Guiana in the anandamaya kosha the
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    exact the answer you find in Vedanta
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    sorry says RT Sushma via Ghana with T V
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    by an extremely subtle movement of a
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    yawn anandamaya kosha this experience of
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    deep sleep is also recorded now the
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    interesting thing happens is when you
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    wake up the mind starts working and I
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    comes up and those experiences are there
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    and the i falsely mischievously coolly
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    takes up the experiences of that and
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    said I he was asleep the ego was not
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    there the witness experienced the real
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    Atman the sack she experienced the deep
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    sleep experience illumined that that's
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    why deep sleep you see the paradox of
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    deep sleep in each of us say that we
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    experience deep sleep yet that
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    experience was not of the subject object
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    kind of experience which were having
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    right now because we cannot actually say
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    that I was there and I experienced deep
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    sleep I was sleeping deeply no we can't
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    say that and yet we cannot in all
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    honesty did deny that we have all
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    experienced deep sleep do you see this
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    put these two facts together then
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    something startling it emerges what
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    experienced deep sleep what is it in you
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    that experienced deep sleep in sir the
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    witness and instead of answering that
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    quickly can you actually trace it back
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    can you try to feel it with that real
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    witnesses right now it's present right
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    here can you get some clarity about it
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    what will happen is you will be free of
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    the ego you will realize I am NOT I
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    Shankaracharya of any sings manova
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    ahankara cheat Thani Nam look at the
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    contradictory nature of that line he
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    says I am NOT the mind I am NOT the
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    intellect and not the memory they're all
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    objects but funnily enough he says I am
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    NOT the ego ego means I literally if you
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    translate that put it on paper it will
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    read I am NOT I we sing it happily I
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    think it's very profound but what a
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    stunning thing he has said I am NOT I
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    think about this I the one which is
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    right now you say I am sitting in this
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    room and I am listening to the talk
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    clearly the ego is saying it and ego is
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    right ego is right here but that ego
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    when it says re-experience deep sleep
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    it's a false statement and yet something
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    did experience deep sleep put these two
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    facts together and something startling
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    will reveal itself very good question
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    yes the reflected consciousness does not
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    exist in deep sleep now we cannot speak
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    like this because there is a it's being
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    recorded for the purposes of the
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    internet now should I leave it there
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    I'll come to you here is a question you
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    had a question please tell us your name
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    so me - my name is Rama and I'm going
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    back to the question the previous
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    question your answers about the five
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    stages of duty that you just spoke about
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    five components of swadharma five
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    confidence of Swadesh whatever so and so
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    in the modern life even if you're
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    performing those duties it just sucks
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    all your energy and they how do you
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    while performing duties make it
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    something that actually provides
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    spiritual growth because you can perform
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    these very duties sincerely and yet you
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    may not feel that it translates to you
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    growing spiritually and you don't have
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    time in any other way to do anything
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    else other than perform your swaddling
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    yes so how do you go about that it's a
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    good question we might say Swami you are
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    a Swami so your whole swadharma all your
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    roles or spiritual roles so you can
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    happily speak about spiritual life doing
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    this and that but we are students and
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    teachers and mothers and fathers and and
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    so many things in society and all of
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    that energy and time how can I
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    convert those things into spiritual
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    practices if possible
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    indeed it is possible Swami Vivekananda
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    once walking in almoravid Korean energy
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    he said hurry by this time I have
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    started a new path this time that means
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    in this age I have carved out a new path
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    for the youngsters who are going to come
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    after us they will work for the welfare
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    of others and thereby they will develop
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    themselves spiritually I am paraphrasing
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    this is not the language he used this
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    conversion of our day-to-day activities
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    into spiritual practice this is a
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    central teaching of the OP Swami
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    Vivekananda sister nivedita said
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    henceforth no division between the sake
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    sacred and secular to labor is to pray
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    to have and hold is as sacred a trust as
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    to renounce and quit the shop floor the
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    factory floor and and the office and the
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    place of
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    they are as fit a place for the meeting
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    of man and God as the cell of a monk how
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    can we do that every work that we do at
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    the beginning of that work remember god
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    whichever form you worship that my lord
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    this is my Dharma my swadharma in front
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    of me might the role you have assigned
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    me to play I'm going to play this role
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    and mentally I offer it to you like a
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    flower I offer at the feet of God I
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    offered this action at your feet at the
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    end of the work when you're finished
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    again remember the Lord and you offer
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    off of that slowly the attitude will be
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    everything that I am doing it may be I'm
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    doing my job in the office it may be
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    that I'm taking care of children in the
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    home or in the school it may be I'm just
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    doing the same worldly activities but
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    internally they'll be a tremendous
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    transformation that I am doing
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    everything for my beloved Krishna or
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    Rama or or Christ whatever whichever
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    form of God you are worshiping
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    concentrate on that that I am doing
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    these activities as worship to God and
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    make sure more and more I don't want
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    anything from that for myself I am doing
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    it as a service to God so two things one
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    is connect the activity to God and
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    second is a component of unselfishness
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    as much as you can bring in remember
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    common sense if you are holding a job
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    that does not mean the tomorrow onwards
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    you I'll do the job but I won't take
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    salary from you anymore it's not
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    sustainable you can't do that here we
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    are running an ashram so even as a monk
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    I have to take donations so how much
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    more so when you are out in the world
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    and you are working you will definitely
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    take your salary and earn what you have
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    to earn but that apart there should be
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    no other particular selfish desire
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    behind Act that action the selfish
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    desires like by this job by this role by
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    this salary or by this promotion I will
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    be fulfilled that's a worldly attitude I
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    will be fulfilled by God alone by
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    realization alone by spirituality alone
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    and these are all these things will help
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    me the duty which we have in life is not
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    against spirituality when we think of it
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    as duty that something that I have to do
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    and finish it somehow then that will do
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    I will do my spiritual practices then it
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    becomes a terrible burden so I'm wearing
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    on the coats the ashtavakra humanity
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    scorched by the midday Sun of duty not
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    that way not that way
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    work as a free agent this is in front of
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    me it's an opportunity to do something
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    it's an opportunity for spiritual
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    practice there was a goat yesterday a
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    devotee showed me a coat on our computer
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    different wonderful coats one of them
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    was from a Japanese Zen master Dogen and
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    it says if if this if you think that the
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    self confirms ten thousand things you
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    are in delusion but if you think 10,000
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    things confirm the self you are
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    enlightened now that person who showed
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    me she said hmm I think well I don't
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    know what that means really you know
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    what that means it's a very profound
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    truth ten thousand things means your
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    life everything in your life what you
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    see what you hear what you do what you
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    smell but you touch what you enjoy what
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    you suffer if you think that's what you
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    are doing in life all of this you say
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    yes you are deal in delusion according
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    to Dogon if all of them point back to
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    the spirit within you then you are
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    enlightened if n thousand things point
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    back to God within you so one way in up
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    in a bhakti wave in a karma yoga way if
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    ten thousand things of your life is you
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    can connect to God if God is the golden
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    thread running through all of that
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    then even if you are not enlightened you
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    are well on your way to enlightenment if
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    that does not appeal to you if you are
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    in personalistic by nature non-dualistic
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    by nature then you say instable put the
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    word God out of the equation I the pure
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    consciousness what you eat it it just is
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    something that is revealed to you in
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    your consciousness what you do is reveal
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    to you in your consciousness everything
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    that happens in life shines in your
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    awareness use that to become aware of
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    the awareness like you would use a
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    mirror do you use a mirror to look at
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    the mirror or do you use the mirror to
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    look at your face when you are looking
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    at the mirror are you looking at the
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    glass usually not you're looking at the
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    reflection similarly everything in the
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    life life is a mirror which reveals God
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    to you when you are looking at life and
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    sayd revealed life to me mostly unhappy
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    then you're looking at the glass in the
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    middle you're not looking at the
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    reflection okay one more question from
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    the internet audience
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    good questions very Park I try to follow
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    the six steps you have taught in your
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    dream to share difficult lectures there
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    I did some meditation in the morning but
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    when I try internal headspace meditation
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    external things come to me as input I
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    can close my eyes but can't for five
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    years so it's chair playing clock
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    ticking come to my ears even though no
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    thought is present or just as a doubt
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    expensive text is present about that
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    moment I feel that external and internal
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    is getting mixed up for me as I
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    understand this body mind they're
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    nothing but a unit of some atoms has a
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    special capability through the witness
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    consciousness that is enabling this
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    piece of matter to hear see touch smell
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    taste and think is it really possible to
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    have the internal text-based meditation
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    my own breathing movement also comes as
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    a distraction can you please let me know
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    if I'm doing something wrong
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    which I can correct very good question
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    very good question do you know what it
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    refers to in the text trig ratio Vivica
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    towards the end there are six meditation
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    techniques and he's talking about the
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    first two of those meditation techniques
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    what are the meditation techniques it's
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    a nice segue into this question from the
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    other earlier discussion you know the
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    ten thousand things in life what the
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    technique tells you is take any thought
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    whatever comes to your mind if it's two
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    plus two is equal to four or AB Rose is
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    a red flower that is thought comes to
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    your mind instead of concentrating on
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    the thought become aware of the thought
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    signing in your awareness when the
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    thought comes up instead of we get
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    engrossed in the thought and then we
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    jump from one thought to another but
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    what the meditation technique tells you
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    is take the thought and immediately
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    become aware of yourself as the witness
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    to that thought that's our sheet to
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    annotate Onam become aware of yourself
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    as the witness of that start can you do
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    that it's subtle but not difficult now
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    what he's saying is that the next step
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    after that when you become you're aware
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    of your
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    the witness to that sort is now you go
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    to a text-based meditation which says a
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    Sango hum I am unattached I am an
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    attached means that witness which I am
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    is unattached things come and go in its
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    light it is not they don't stick to it
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    I am unattached dueto vegeto um I am
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    non-dual sub Prakash or hum I am
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    self-effulgent these are obvious facts
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    once you have got the witness clarity
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    about the witness all these things will
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    be obvious facts just you're repeating a
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    fact to yourself now the problem which
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    this person has referred to is that
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    Swami when I think about a start if you
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    think about a thought right I am the
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    witness of the thought but then the
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    clock is ticking and then the and then
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    the birds are chirping and then it's hot
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    and then lot of other things come into
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    my mind a thought might be very
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    difficult illusive to get hold of lots
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    of other things are crowding into my
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    mind so what is the way out what do you
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    think correct absolutely the answer from
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    the gentleman was witness of everything
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    you are not just a witness of the
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    thought the thought is not important if
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    the clock is ticking wonderful wonderful
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    use it immediately the clock ticks when
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    it when it goes tick-tock if I am the
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    witness of the tick-tock when the bird
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    chops outside I am the witness of the
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    chirping bird or the chirping of the
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    bird any movement anything that
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    registers in your awareness is a mirror
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    to your awareness
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    it reflects you back to your awareness I
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    have known of persons who get into a
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    kind of internal intoxication just by
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    listening to the sound of a clock tick
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    ticking yes it's possible absolutely
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    possible hours can pass because the
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    ticking of a clock is a very powerful
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    device its rhythmic its monotonous every
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    tick point you back to the witness
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    conscious
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    and you tend to get absorbed there's no
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    escape from the witness consciousness if
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    you're listening to a ticking of a cough
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    of a clock if you see that well first of
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    all you have to understand what the
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    witness consciousness is you have to
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    have clarity about that that's one thing
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    that's why the dribbler Civic text is
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    there you see the Holy Mother she used
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    it in a different way she told one of
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    the disciples that my child listen to
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    the ticking of a clock repeat your
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    mantra with that regularity with that
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    comes steadiness and regularity keep on
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    repeating the mantra I'll tell you an
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    experience it was in the Himalayas we
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    were studying ashtavakra very high text
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    of non-dual Vedanta and the Swami was
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    teaching us there was a word naira
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    Marianna without break in the text he
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    was teaching us a mere group of mostly
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    group of monks some lived in huts some
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    in caves and some had long beards
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    somewhere shaven-headed mostly we were
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    very scruffy lot so we were all sitting
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    around his feet and he was teaching us
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    when he came to the word night hunt
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    arena without break he closed the book
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    and he looked at us and he said before
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    the class I was thinking how do I
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    explain this word and then in front in
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    front of him you have to see the Ganges
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    is roaring past just in front about 40
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    50 feet below its mountainous you
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    understand the Ganges is roaring past
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    he says immediately my eyes fell on that
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    and I felt just like without break the
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    stream of water is roaring continuously
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    flowing fast in front without any break
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    at all like that should be the thought
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    should be the thought of the self should
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    be your establishment in the self in a
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    in a Advaita Vedanta chakra and that
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    night a monk you know he went for
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    meditation and he sat in meditation and
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    he could not stop meditating throughout
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    the night because the roaring of the
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    Ganges mixed up
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    that monks Hut that thought kept kept
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    coming to him and because the rolling is
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    without break I couldn't stop it was so
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    powerful
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    hour after hour passed you know six
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    hours seven hours
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    so that's without break anything in the
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    world especially like the ticking of a
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    clock or the flowing of water can be an
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    excellent reminder of your witness
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    status a question from the audience here
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    you have to come forward and speak in
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    the microphone now pass it and take up
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    the microphone please sit down because
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    it's being recorded
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    that's why okay please sit down sit okay
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    the question two questions before in the
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    microphone I have two questions before
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    when we are talking about hi my I think
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    in course of meditation and prayer
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    subject and object pose disappear why
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    cannot come when you meditate when you
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    pray we didn't ask God to anything I or
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    Who I am with just to subject and object
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    disappear automatically in course of
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    prayer and meditation
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    I think another question people are
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    asking that is a excellent person I eat
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    little bit bothers in my life giving any
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    existing shellworld the sucio model
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    vocabularies are so strong today even
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    you try to pray to God to in search of
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    mystic mysticism touching the real
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    spirituality to go to real from unreal
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    in that case exist tensional world they
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    are more aha
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    Pokhara very social immoral VUCA bernie
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    is so powerful and guided the way it is
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    hard people could understand us what we
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    are doing and what we are looking for on
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    plain view like you are a person he was
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    Swami ji we all know you are a spiritual
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    seeker but I am an ordinary person okay
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    and the moral vocable is using a soup
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    our food people mistreat me they think
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    they read mean wrongly that's why how
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    could we cross that boundary when you
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    are talking about God and we are in
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    search of mysticism that going from
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    unreal to real then that moral
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    vocabulary sociation I am I think I
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    understand the question yes the first
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    part about meditation and the subject
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    and the object disappearing I think that
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    was more of a comment there was not
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    there wasn't a question there that's
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    very good and the second thing is about
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    other people misunderstanding spiritual
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    seekers one thing is that unless a
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    person is a secret to some extent it's
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    no use talking about these things to to
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    such a person
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    so person it will not be real to that
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    person but then the truth is that people
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    are seekers there are so many people who
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    are seekers and if you want to
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    communicate with them if there is even a
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    little bit of genuine questioning you
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    have to understand the vocabulary you
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    will be rightly pointed out the
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    vocabulary is important you have to
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    understand what are the terms that
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    person is using and on what terms you
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    can relate to that person so yes a
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    little bit of adjustment you have to do
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    but it only works with a person who is
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    interested the person is not interested
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    and then then we are also not interested
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    Vedanta is very patient if you are not
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    interested we say fine go and do the
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    thing there must be something you are
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    interested in the world so go and do it
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    pursue it and we will wait this life
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    next life life after that many
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    licensed there is no hurry so I mean we
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    reckon this language he says take your
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    time there is no hurry even here is half
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    serious when you said that I'll write a
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    question from the internet audience this
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    is from Arvind who is in Brisbane
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    Australia in one of your talks recently
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    you mentioned your discussion with the
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    book in one of your talks recently you
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    mentioned your discussion with the
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    Buddhist monks at a conference where the
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    monks went into went into a huddle
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    after you invoked neti neti I have a
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    question about the nature of
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    consciousness in the two schools of
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    thought from what I have gleaned from
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    listening to your talks it seems in the
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    Vedanta school consciousness is primary
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    with the attributes of sat-chit-ananda
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    in some of your talks you have mentioned
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    that the mind borrows this consciousness
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    much like the moon borrows its light
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    from the Sun on the other hand my
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    understanding of the Buddhist school is
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    that they have developed the idea of an
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    Atman no self
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    thus the Buddhist school says Juniata is
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    primary if my understanding is correct
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    then in such a case consciousness is not
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    primary and must be generated or
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    developed somehow from Shunyata that is
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    my question how does consciousness arise
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    or form from shoonya in the Buddhist
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    view maybe you can give a short answer
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    to this question or if you could point
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    me to some books that I can read I read
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    always my favorite question the contrast
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    between the Hindu schools of thinking
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    and Buddhist schools let me set out the
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    contrast first before attempting to
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    resolve it the dualistic schools of
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    Hindu thought by which I mean for
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    example the Naya
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    the vaisheshika the Sankhya the yoga
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    these schools of Hindu thought they
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    claim that in addition to the physical
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    bodies Tula sharira we have a subtle
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    body suksham sharir and that is not
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    subject it's not a matter of belief the
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    experience at all the time we experience
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    life and thought
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    and memories all the time we are
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    experiencing it that which you are
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    experiencing as a first person private
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    experience within yourself that's the
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    subtle body so we have a subtle body
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    suksham sharir
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    and in addition to that we have the
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    Atman the self self with the capitalist
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    the physical body dies at death the
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    subtle body goes on for life after life
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    but when you are enlightened the subtle
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    body also falls off and you realize you
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    are the unchanging Atman so physical
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    body subtle body Atman the self now
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    along comes the Buddhist and says
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    physical body in subtle body are matters
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    of experience where is this precious
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    Atman of yours physical body series of
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    changes subtle body mind and
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    intellectual memory another series of
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    changes beyond this what else exists
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    everything is Emperor Li transient
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    everything is momentary everything is
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    empty the word which he used Shunyata
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    emptiness and they are they have their
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    self nature empty of self nature that
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    means there is no inherent unchanging
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    nature to anything that was the Buddhist
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    insight and it's a very powerful
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    challenge a very powerful challenge in
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    the book that said aletheia manikyam
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    saruba manikyam temporary a transient
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    transient everything is transient
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    everything goes away Shani come Shani
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    come serve oh honey come not only that
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    everything goes away you see everything
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    goes everything Nobi everybody dies and
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    they also will have to die that does not
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    really bother us as long as it
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    everything stays for just enough for my
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    team my purpose if the house lid is kind
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    stays steady for 50 years or 100 years
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    it's good for me I'm going to use it for
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    50 years or hundred years after that
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    doesn't matter if the body lives for 30
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    40 50 60 or 80 years good enough for me
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    because I'll do whatever I can in that
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    period of time if the cookie melts in my
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    mouth and is gone in 10 seconds that's
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    also good enough for me because I can
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    taste it in the
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    ten seconds so temporary is okay with us
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    we really don't mind temporary
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    impermanent we don't mind but Buddha
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    goes on further spoilsport that he is he
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    says Shani come Shani come not only
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    temporary momentary momentary everything
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    changes from moment to moment it does
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    not stay steady for let alone for
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    decades and centuries it does not stay
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    steady from one second to the next
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    let me sound like a startling claim from
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    our common sense point of view but as we
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    go on modern science is more and more as
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    shown that everything is a whirling mass
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    of particles the whirling mass of change
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    continuously all around us this from our
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    perspective something seemed more steady
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    than others Shani kamsani comes sarvam
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    Shani come and hence unum chungnam
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    sarvam shown 'i'm wide void all is void
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    and then finally do come to come serve
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    them to come hence because because it is
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    transient because it is momentary
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    because it is wide everything is of the
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    nature of dukkha suffering if you feel
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    the suffering you're feeling the reality
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    if you feel pleasure and happiness you
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    are deluded because they were suffering
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    before it there is suffering at the end
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    of it and they're suffering underneath
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    it
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    any joy that we have so real spoilsport
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    the Buddha well hard truth now in this
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    mass of change where is this permanent
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    Atman you are speaking about
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    so the Buddhist launches a two-pronged
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    attacks one is on your permanent solemn
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    the your immortal soul is no such things
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    about the faith and the second one is we
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    the partner to your immortal soul the
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    poor God an immortal God unchanging
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    reality calls God dude this lunch is an
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    attack on that - where is this card you
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    speak about both are equally are
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    impossibilities an immortal God sitting
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    somewhere way up in heaven where and
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    your own immortal soul you speak about
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    Atman where you can't prove it
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    and thus began a thousand-year battle
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    between literally a thousand years from
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    around 2005 little after the Buddha ban
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    the philosophical schools of Buddhism
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    began to grow strong till the
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    disappearance of Buddhism from India
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    around 800 900 AD so for more than a
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    thousand years there was a philosophical
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    debate a battle between the Hindu
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    schools and the Buddhist schools and was
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    good because it led to a flowering of
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    philosophy very sophisticated philosophy
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    developed over a thousand years and you
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    have gotten text after text the Hindus
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    trying to defend the immortal soul Atman
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    defend the existence of God and the
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    Buddhists attacking both the great Hindu
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    logician Judean Acharya around 10th
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    century AD there is the famous story of
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    how he goes to he fought against the
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    Buddhists yet he has two classic books
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    we just still studied one is called
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    osmoter 12-acre where he tries to prove
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    with extremely subtle reasoning that
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    there must be a permanent unchanging
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    consciousness at the back of everything
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    changing otherwise this life is not
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    possible it tries to explain that and
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    then the second book is nee Aiko
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    Samantha Lee where he gives 9 proofs for
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    the existence of Ishwara of God against
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    the Buddhist opponent so this kind of a
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    great logician you know he goes to the
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    story that he goes to jagannatha temple
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    in puri and for duction for the for the
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    darshan of lord jagannatha and at that
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    time the doors are closed because
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    offering is going on the Bogue offering
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    to the lord is going on the doors are
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    closed so there is a very funny Sanskrit
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    shloka attributed to Odin Acharya
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    it seems he composed it when he saw the
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    doors closed he said my lord now you are
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    so proud and you shut your doors to me
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    but when the Buddhists come and attack
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    you and try to disprove your existence
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    you run to me for proving your existence
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    now you won't let me go in and I know I
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    have your audience in houses when
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    wealthier but you are helplessly
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    dependent upon me to prove your
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    existence in the book this comes from
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    ataxia anyhow humor apart this was the
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    situation now
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    now what does a joy to bring to the mix
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    swami vivekananda you wanted a text
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    swami vivekananda practical vedanta
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    lecture number 4 where he takes up the
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    Buddhist position the Hindu duelist
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    position and reconciles it with the
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    Advaita Nandu listen there's a lot more
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    to be said about this but I'll mention
  • 63:33 - 63:34
    just this
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    what does swami very kind of say look at
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    the classic example of the snake and the
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    rope it is not that there is a rope and
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    on top of that there is a snake that you
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    drive the snake up and then you get the
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    rope no these are not two different
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    things a rope and a snake the rope is
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    mistaken as the snake what you think is
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    the snake is the rope itself mistakenly
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    snake taken for what it is rope in
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    ignorance snake in knowledge rope
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    similarly he says both the Buddhist and
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    Hindu dwellest are right the Hindu
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    dwellest is right when he says there is
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    an immortal reality called the soul or
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    God or whatever it is and the Buddhist
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    is right when he says that there is
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    nothing apart from this which you call
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    God or so it is the same thing which you
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    regard in ignorance as a mass mass of
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    whirling change which we see as this
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    world and in knowledge you will find all
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    of this is nothing other than Perlman
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    it's not that there is a soul and there
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    is a body mind and universe separately
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    Advaita says there is only one thing in
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    ignorance it is regarded as world as
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    body as mind as Jeeva in individual g1j
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    gap in knowledge when you get brahma
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    jana this very Jeeva jagat becomes none
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    other than brahman for you you that's
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    why enlightened persons will keep on
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    saying I see God everywhere what does
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    that mean the person does not say I see
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    the world and I see God in heaven which
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    way something says that nobody they all
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    say I see God everywhere which means
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    where everywhere means were here he
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    might as well say I see the Rope in
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    the snake he never says I see a rope and
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    a snake no it is what you considered to
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    be the snake the person who knows he
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    says it's a rope it's what we considered
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    to be a mass a changing mass a physical
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    massive change called the body mental
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    massive change called the mind known in
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    reality it is nothing other than such
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    hidden under so this is how Vivekananda
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    reconciles it now is it accepted no
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    there are scholars who accept it there
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    are scholars who do not on both on the
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    Vedantic side and on the Buddhist side
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    there are scholars and monks and
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    teachers who will not agree that the two
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    are ultimately the same I remember
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    speaking to a Buddhist Lama in Delhi
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    Universe in Delhi University there was a
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    seminar the Lama spoke I also spoke and
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    afterwards a person in the audience a
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    lady said to the Lama holy Lama what the
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    Swami was saying and what you say they
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    seem to be very similar this is the
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    problem with the Hindu mind they
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    immediately find the oneness behind
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    everything they don't stress the
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    differences they stress the unity so
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    they are did he seem to is very similar
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    what you are saying and the what the
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    Swami is saying I was I spoke from the
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    Advaita perspective and he spoke from
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    the Tibetan Buddhist perspective and so
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    the Lama he smiled and he said no
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    actually they are different you know
  • 67:06 - 67:08
    there are a lot of differences and I
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    stepped in doing the Hindu thing saying
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    yes there are differences but there are
  • 67:13 - 67:14
    different paths they lead to the same
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    conclusion you know and then the
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    Buddhist not to be outdone the Lama said
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    yes he has a meeting point but after
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    that again different
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    [Laughter]
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    so there are people on both sides who
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    would not agree but there are scholars
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    who do agree if you read a book called
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    the central philosophy of Buddhism
  • 67:42 - 67:45
    central philosophy Abood ISM TR we move
  • 67:45 - 67:48
    T you will see Tibetan Buddhism Mahayana
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    Magna Hakka Buddhism of Nagarjuna it's
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    explained in in terms which are very
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    Advaitic non-dualistic I've also had
  • 67:58 - 68:00
    occasion to mention Sam Harris was a
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    very popular 80's speaker here in the
  • 68:02 - 68:03
    United States
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    and he says religion is mostly hypocrisy
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    and nonsense superstition but he says
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    there are these two traditions one is a
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    great of a dontoh and the other one is
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    Tibetans of chain Buddhism which have a
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    core of truth in them and it's the same
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    truth both are both are speaking about
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    there is a professor of religion a
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    philosopher actually in Australia a lady
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    Miri albahari and I find in her work she
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    is primarily a scholar of Buddhism and
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    and the way she interprets Mahayana
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    Buddhism especially Magda McCarthyism of
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    Nagarjuna is very close to Advaita
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    Vedanta Shankara and she she mentions it
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    explicitly they too are very close why I
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    mention her is that she is coming to
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    give this talk about advaitha Vedanta
  • 68:52 - 68:55
    and the problem of consciousness in NYU
  • 68:55 - 68:59
    next year and I have invited her to come
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    and speak here to us so I really hope
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    she does come and speak to us but she
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    speaks about exactly this problem yes we
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    have run out of time you must tell me
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    when the food is reused let me know yes
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    so there is a question from the yes
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    please come and somebody else raised the
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    hand there yes I'll come back to you yes
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    there's a mic please tell us your name
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    and please sit
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    my name is Sri and just I guess talking
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    about Buddhism I'm thinking of this
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    concept of compassion that the modern
  • 69:36 - 69:38
    Buddhists are talking a lot about now
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    and and with this I'm asking a very
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    personal question but I think it
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    probably affects a lot of people from
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    time to time so you know we try to have
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    compassion and we try to have empathy
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    and sometimes we think we're doing great
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    you know we're around a grieving parent
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    and we can feel everything that they're
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    feeling and you know I guess we must
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    well I must have been tapping myself on
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    the shoulder because the next I meet
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    someone else and they're grieving and I
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    seem to have zero compassion to have
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    judgment and then I continue to sort of
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    beat myself up over not being able to
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    muster any compassion so then do I just
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    give up and wait for grace or do I keep
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    working at it that's my question you see
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    this is a problem that's inevitable as
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    long as we regard ourselves as
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    individual points of consciousness that
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    I am an individual among many
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    individuals and what kind of an
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    individual am i I'm a body and mind with
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    consciousness I am a body and mind with
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    consciousness then what becomes primary
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    is body and mind and the way I relate to
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    others as body minds now what will
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    happen is I like some of them some of
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    those body Minds I like them some of
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    those body Minds I don't like them those
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    who might like is easy for me to have
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    compassion and love for them those who I
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    do not like it's not easy for me to have
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    any kind of compassion for them and yet
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    I am told to have compassion for
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    everybody look at the language have
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    compassion for everybody the moment you
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    say everybody then there must be
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    something same that you see in everybody
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    so that you can have the same compassion
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    for everybody
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    do you follow then what is the same
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    thing in everybody at all times and at
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    all places there is only one reality
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    which runs through all of us base
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    yourself on the vedantic reality that
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    you are such chit Ananda you are none
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    other than God and then
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    therefore everybody that you meet even
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    whether you like the body-mind or you do
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    not like the body might everybody you
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    meet the background is the same such
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    chit Ananda
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    when that's no longer theory when that
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    begins to become reality to you then you
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    will find having compassion for
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    everybody becomes automatic love will
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    become automatic compassion will become
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    automatic judgment may still come up the
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    mindedness it has a way of judging but
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    your judgement you can dismiss easily
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    because you know beyond whatever you
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    judge judge a person to be good judge a
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    person to be bad you make up your mind
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    this person is bad a bad body mind but
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    at the same time you will know that sub
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    that's absolutely on the surface it's
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    superficial
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    the reality is existence consciousness
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    place is the one unchanging reality in
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    me in you in him and in her that's the
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    real basis for compassion change your
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    concept about yourself I am NOT this
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    person body mind culture II Sri is
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    really the existence consciousness bliss
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    appearing at the body mind here then you
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    will see that everybody else else
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    changes automatically for you and then
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    the problem of compassion problem of
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    love the problem of hatred it will
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    disappear it will become spontaneous
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    love will become spontaneous compassion
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    will become spontaneous if by automatic
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    reaction hatred or irritation comes you
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    will be more and more able to dismiss it
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    easily okay I'll take one last question
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    from the lady there could you come up
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    and ask the question
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    come to the mic here last question I
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    hear the food is ready so we will make
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    this the last question there's the
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    microphone my name is Pat this is a
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    somewhat confused question so I
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    apologize to all hungry people in the
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    microphone and a Zen master was asked
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    and said to me I asked what is Buddha
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    mind and he said non holdin now we come
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    to Vedanta and God the Buddhist ideas of
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    continuous motion voidness motion
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    nothing held but the Vedantic idea I
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    picked is you must not confuse prana
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    with God who does not move but my
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    problem in meditation is how do you get
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    from this for my infatuation electric
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    Arana with prana to the non-moving state
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    right it's not at all a confused
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    question it's a very good question and
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    very precisely put in most of
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    identically put so yes non holding is
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    the essence of the Buddha mind and it
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    applies very equally to the Vedantic
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    mind also anything objective that you
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    hold on to as yourself I am this holding
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    on to a changing body it's continuous
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    change what am I when I say I am this
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    body I am prana if I hold on to that
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    continuously flowing in and out like the
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    bellows pumping in and out air flowing
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    in and through me life forces coursing
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    through me continuously changing like
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    the ebb and flow of a tide prana courses
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    through me
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    what watches the
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    when you say I am breathing in I am
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    aware of breathing in I am breathing out
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    I am aware of breathing out what it is
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    it that is aware of the breathing in and
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    breathing out the breathing in and
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    breathing out are the movements of Karla
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    what is it that is aware of the
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    breathing in and breathing out that is
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    not moving in and out that is aware of
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    the movement of the product is it moving
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    itself no if you come to the site II do
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    finish it you ask the question what am i
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    you start with the body you clearly see
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    that you cannot be the body for certain
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    reasons it's external to you I feel I'm
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    inside this and is an object this is
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    something external to me it is changing
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    and I am unchanging it is an object of
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    my experience I am the subject of
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    experience for certain reasons I cannot
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    be the body for exactly the same reasons
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    I cannot be the product you're not
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    denying that the prana is there let the
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    prana move in and out if got to keep on
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    breathing yes until you're enlightened
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    you have to go to creep keep on
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    breathing so yes and then the mind the
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    mind moves continuously look deeper
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    within the prana thoughts ideas come but
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    you are aware of the movement of the
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    mind is it not and then the intellect
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    even that which you are using to
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    understand all of this you're aware of
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    the movement of the intellect anything
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    that you are aware of is not the Atman
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    and in the microphone yes it's not
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    thought so much but when I meditate I
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    feel this incredible seething energy
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    which is very nice to feel but I can't
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    get beyond them it's it's like the
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    energies all right is there and very
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    pleasurable but but you said look at the
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    words you used I feel this incredible
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    energy
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    it feels pleasurable yes
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    I feel this energy what fees that's
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    right but how do I get beyond to join
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    the feeling you don't have to start
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    this way this way the moment followed is
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    carefully the moment you recognize that
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    there is something that is aware of the
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    surging of this energy within me what
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    you're asking is how do I stop the
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    energies from surging or how do I get
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    beyond the feeling of pleasure of in
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    reveling in that energy the Vedanta
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    cancels you don't have to all that you
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    need to notice is that someone something
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    here is aware of that energy just notice
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    that let the energy be there let it see
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    it within you let it course within you
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    let your mind
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    enjoy that energy - if you cannot sit
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    for long for meditation you feel so
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    energy to get to get up and walk get up
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    and walk the Atman is not disturbed all
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    you need to notice it that it relieves
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    that surging energy that feeling reveals
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    the ever-present awareness within you if
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    one day do not feel that energy
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    if you tired or quiet it is the same
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    awareness which notice that energy the
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    same awareness which notices the lack or
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    diminishing of that energy that is what
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    you are let the play of prana go on why
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    if i disturb it let it go on the body
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    the prana the mind these are creations
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    of Ishwara of god you need not destroy
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    them to do you need not transcend them
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    to become enlightened you are already
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    beyond that you need not and you cannot
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    how can you get rid of front of it so
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    you get rid of prana god forbid listen
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    every will be diabetic so we need we
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    need not do that either and we should
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    not do that either why not here is the
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    crucial I'll end with this here is the
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    crucial secret it is that very surging
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    of prana which you are noticing like a
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    mirror it reveals your own existence
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    also the mirror it's not me but it
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    reflects my face the experience of the
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    surging prana it's not you it's not the
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    Atman it's not the real you but it
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    really needs the real you because it
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    shines in your light
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    it is revealed in your awareness it's a
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    door to to self-realization does it make
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    sense no you you you know you know what
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    is hard you know what is hard
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    controlling that prana is hard
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    controlling the planet that's what you
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    feel as being hard can I control that
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    Rana can I somehow transcend it go
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    beyond it but it ceases to disturb my
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    meditation that's what you're asking
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    in the microphone my meditation I could
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    do that all day all you need to do is
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    then watch The Watcher what you watching
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    means as the surges come and go it
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    reveals you as the not surging water all
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    the time all the time
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    well it just impacted just a reversal
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    it's like right now you are immersed in
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    the mirror and delighted by the
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    reflection of your face in the mirror
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    all you need to do is let the mirror be
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    there
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    let the reflection of your face be there
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    just to remind yourself that's the real
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    face here not there what is being
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    reflected here is really me here so the
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    fascination with the mirror and the face
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    will go away right now we have we are
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    like person was forgotten his or her
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    real face and very fascinated with the
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    mirror oh nice and somebody wants to
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    take the mirror Robin no no no I lose my
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    face if the mirror goes away but my face
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    is not in the mirror we know what the
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    problem with with the real faces and
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    what the advantage of the mirror is
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    mirror reflected face advantages you can
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    see it and the problem with the real
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    face is you cannot see it but once you
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    realize this is the real face which is
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    reflected there
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    then you're not dependent on the mirror
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    if you remove the mirror you cannot see
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    the face anymore but you know it's there
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    you're not craving for the mirror yes it
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    will work don't worry just relax it will
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    work all right
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    before I close there are a couple of
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    announcements so this is the last ask
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    Swamy session until the end of September
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    because we are closing for summer after
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    today's session there will be no normal
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    classes in July and August in the middle
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    of September the next a swami session
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    will be at the end of September
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    at this point I would like to wish
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    everybody a very happy and pleasant
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    summer I would like to pray to sri
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    ramakrishna masha Radha and Swami
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    Vivekananda to bless us all with peace
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    and joy let none here be touched by
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    sorrow let gladness and joy fill our
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    summer survey after soaking us unto
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    salvation to Nehemiah Marcus she took
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    cover over wait I pray to the to tackle
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    my ecology to bless all of us here Oh
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    Shante Shante Shante hurry you that's
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    that Sri Ramakrishna Furnham us too
Title:
Ask Swami with Swami Sarvapriyananda | June 25th, 2017
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