What we can do to die well
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0:01 - 0:03I am a palliative care physician
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0:03 - 0:06and I would like to talk to you
today about health care. -
0:06 - 0:10I'd like to talk to you
about the health and care -
0:11 - 0:14of the most vulnerable
population in our country -- -
0:14 - 0:19those people dealing with the most
complex serious health issues. -
0:20 - 0:23I'd like to talk to you
about economics as well. -
0:23 - 0:27And the intersection of these two
should scare the hell out of you -- -
0:28 - 0:29it scares the hell out of me.
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0:30 - 0:33I'd also like to talk to you
about palliative medicine: -
0:34 - 0:40a paradigm of care for this population,
grounded in what they value. -
0:41 - 0:44Patient-centric care based on their values
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0:44 - 0:47that helps this population
live better and longer. -
0:48 - 0:51It's a care model that tells the truth
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0:52 - 0:53and engages one-on-one
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0:53 - 0:55and meets people where they're at.
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0:57 - 1:01I'd like to start by telling the story
of my very first patient. -
1:01 - 1:03It was my first day as a physician,
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1:03 - 1:05with the long white coat ...
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1:06 - 1:07I stumbled into the hospital
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1:07 - 1:10and right away there's a gentleman,
Harold, 68 years old, -
1:10 - 1:11came to the emergency department.
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1:11 - 1:13He had had headaches for about six weeks
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1:13 - 1:16that got worse and worse
and worse and worse. -
1:16 - 1:20Evaluation revealed he had cancer
that had spread to his brain. -
1:21 - 1:26The attending physician directed me
to go share with Harold and his family -
1:28 - 1:31the diagnosis, the prognosis
and options of care. -
1:32 - 1:35Five hours into my new career,
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1:35 - 1:37I did the only thing I knew how.
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1:38 - 1:39I walked in,
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1:40 - 1:41sat down,
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1:42 - 1:43took Harold's hand,
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1:44 - 1:45took his wife's hand
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1:46 - 1:47and just breathed.
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1:48 - 1:51He said, "It's not good
news is it, sonny?" -
1:51 - 1:53I said, "No."
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1:53 - 1:56And so we talked
and we listened and we shared. -
1:57 - 1:58And after a while I said,
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1:58 - 2:01"Harold, what is it
that has meaning to you? -
2:01 - 2:03What is it that you hold sacred?"
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2:03 - 2:04And he said,
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2:04 - 2:06"My family."
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2:07 - 2:09I said, "What do you want to do?"
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2:09 - 2:12He slapped me on the knee
and said, "I want to go fishing." -
2:12 - 2:14I said, "That, I know how to do."
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2:15 - 2:17Harold went fishing the next day.
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2:18 - 2:19He died a week later.
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2:20 - 2:23As I've gone through
my training in my career, -
2:23 - 2:25I think back to Harold.
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2:25 - 2:27And I think that this is a conversation
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2:29 - 2:31that happens far too infrequently.
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2:32 - 2:36And it's a conversation
that had led us to crisis, -
2:36 - 2:39to the biggest threat
to the American way of life today, -
2:39 - 2:41which is health care expenditures.
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2:42 - 2:43So what do we know?
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2:43 - 2:46We know that
this population, the most ill, -
2:46 - 2:49takes up 15 percent
of the gross domestic product -- -
2:49 - 2:51nearly 2.3 trillion dollars.
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2:52 - 2:56So the sickest 15 percent
take up 15 percent of the GDP. -
2:56 - 2:59If we extrapolate this out
over the next two decades -
3:00 - 3:02with the growth of baby boomers,
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3:03 - 3:07at this rate it is 60 percent of the GDP.
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3:08 - 3:10Sixty percent of the gross
domestic product -
3:10 - 3:12of the United States of America --
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3:12 - 3:15it has very little to do
with health care at that point. -
3:15 - 3:17It has to do with a gallon of milk,
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3:18 - 3:19with college tuition.
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3:20 - 3:22It has to do with
every thing that we value -
3:22 - 3:25and every thing that we know presently.
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3:27 - 3:31It has at stake the free-market
economy and capitalism -
3:31 - 3:32of the United States of America.
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3:35 - 3:38Let's forget all the statistics
for a minute, forget the numbers. -
3:38 - 3:42Let's talk about the value we get
for all these dollars we spend. -
3:43 - 3:45Well, the Dartmouth Atlas,
about six years ago, -
3:45 - 3:48looked at every dollar
spent by Medicare -- -
3:48 - 3:50generally this population.
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3:50 - 3:54We found that those patients who have
the highest per capita expenditures -
3:56 - 3:59had the highest suffering,
pain, depression. -
4:00 - 4:03And, more often than not, they die sooner.
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4:04 - 4:05How can this be?
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4:06 - 4:07We live in the United States,
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4:07 - 4:10it has the greatest health care
system on the planet. -
4:10 - 4:12We spend 10 times more on these patients
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4:12 - 4:14than the second-leading
country in the world. -
4:15 - 4:17That doesn't make sense.
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4:18 - 4:19But what we know is,
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4:19 - 4:22out of the top 50 countries on the planet
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4:22 - 4:26with organized health care systems,
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4:26 - 4:28we rank 37th.
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4:30 - 4:34Former Eastern Bloc countries
and sub-Saharan African countries -
4:34 - 4:38rank higher than us
as far as quality and value. -
4:40 - 4:43Something I experience
every day in my practice, -
4:43 - 4:47and I'm sure, something many of you
on your own journeys have experienced: -
4:48 - 4:51more is not more.
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4:52 - 4:54Those individuals who had more tests,
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4:54 - 4:55more bells, more whistles,
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4:56 - 4:58more chemotherapy,
more surgery, more whatever -- -
4:58 - 5:00the more that we do to someone,
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5:01 - 5:04it decreases the quality of their life.
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5:05 - 5:08And it shortens it, most often.
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5:10 - 5:12So what are we going to do about this?
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5:12 - 5:13What are we doing about this?
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5:13 - 5:15And why is this so?
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5:15 - 5:17The grim reality, ladies and gentlemen,
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5:17 - 5:20is that we, the health care industry --
long white-coat physicians -- -
5:20 - 5:22are stealing from you.
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5:23 - 5:25Stealing from you the opportunity
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5:26 - 5:28to choose how you want to live your lives
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5:28 - 5:31in the context of whatever disease it is.
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5:31 - 5:34We focus on disease
and pathology and surgery -
5:34 - 5:35and pharmacology.
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5:37 - 5:39We miss the human being.
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5:41 - 5:43How can we treat this
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5:43 - 5:45without understanding this?
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5:47 - 5:49We do things to this;
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5:51 - 5:54we need to do things for this.
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5:56 - 5:58The triple aim of healthcare:
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5:58 - 6:01one, improve patient experience.
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6:01 - 6:04Two, improve the population health.
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6:05 - 6:10Three, decrease per capita expenditure
across a continuum. -
6:12 - 6:13Our group, palliative care,
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6:13 - 6:17in 2012, working with
the sickest of the sick -- -
6:19 - 6:20cancer,
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6:20 - 6:22heart disease, lung disease,
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6:22 - 6:23renal disease,
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6:23 - 6:24dementia --
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6:26 - 6:28how did we improve patient experience?
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6:29 - 6:31"I want to be at home, Doc."
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6:31 - 6:33"OK, we'll bring the care to you."
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6:33 - 6:35Quality of life, enhanced.
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6:36 - 6:37Think about the human being.
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6:37 - 6:39Two: population health.
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6:39 - 6:42How did we look
at this population differently, -
6:42 - 6:45and engage with them
at a different level, a deeper level, -
6:45 - 6:48and connect to a broader sense
of the human condition than my own? -
6:49 - 6:52How do we manage this group,
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6:53 - 6:54so that of our outpatient population,
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6:54 - 6:5994 percent, in 2012,
never had to go to the hospital? -
7:00 - 7:02Not because they couldn't.
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7:03 - 7:05But they didn't have to.
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7:05 - 7:07We brought the care to them.
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7:07 - 7:11We maintained their value, their quality.
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7:13 - 7:16Number three: per capita expenditures.
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7:17 - 7:18For this population,
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7:18 - 7:23that today is 2.3 trillion dollars
and in 20 years is 60 percent of the GDP, -
7:23 - 7:28we reduced health care expenditures
by nearly 70 percent. -
7:29 - 7:32They got more of what they wanted
based on their values, -
7:32 - 7:34lived better and are living longer,
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7:35 - 7:37for two-thirds less money.
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7:43 - 7:45While Harold's time was limited,
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7:46 - 7:48palliative care's is not.
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7:48 - 7:53Palliative care is a paradigm
from diagnosis through the end of life. -
7:55 - 7:56The hours,
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7:56 - 7:59weeks, months, years,
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8:00 - 8:01across a continuum --
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8:01 - 8:03with treatment, without treatment.
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8:03 - 8:04Meet Christine.
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8:05 - 8:07Stage III cervical cancer,
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8:07 - 8:10so, metastatic cancer
that started in her cervix, -
8:10 - 8:12spread throughout her body.
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8:13 - 8:15She's in her 50s and she is living.
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8:17 - 8:18This is not about end of life,
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8:18 - 8:20this is about life.
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8:21 - 8:23This is not just about the elderly,
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8:23 - 8:25this is about people.
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8:26 - 8:27This is Richard.
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8:28 - 8:29End-stage lung disease.
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8:30 - 8:33"Richard, what is it
that you hold sacred?" -
8:34 - 8:37"My kids, my wife and my Harley."
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8:37 - 8:38(Laughter)
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8:38 - 8:39"Alright!
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8:41 - 8:44I can't drive you around on it
because I can barely pedal a bicycle, -
8:44 - 8:45but let's see what we can do."
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8:46 - 8:49Richard came to me,
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8:49 - 8:52and he was in rough shape.
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8:52 - 8:54He had this little voice telling him
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8:54 - 8:57that maybe his time was weeks to months.
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8:57 - 8:59And then we just talked.
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8:59 - 9:03And I listened and tried to hear --
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9:03 - 9:04big difference.
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9:04 - 9:06Use these in proportion to this.
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9:08 - 9:11I said, "Alright, let's take it
one day at a time," -
9:11 - 9:14like we do in every
other chapter of our life. -
9:15 - 9:19And we have met Richard
where Richard's at day-to-day. -
9:19 - 9:22And it's a phone call or two a week,
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9:23 - 9:27but he's thriving in the context
of end-stage lung disease. -
9:31 - 9:34Now, palliative medicine is not
just for the elderly, -
9:34 - 9:36it is not just for the middle-aged.
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9:38 - 9:39It is for everyone.
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9:39 - 9:41Meet my friend Jonathan.
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9:42 - 9:43We have the honor and pleasure
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9:43 - 9:46of Jonathan and his father
joining us here today. -
9:46 - 9:49Jonathan is in his 20s,
and I met him several years ago. -
9:49 - 9:52He was dealing with
metastatic testicular cancer, -
9:53 - 9:54spread to his brain.
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9:54 - 9:56He had a stroke,
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9:56 - 9:58he had brain surgery,
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9:58 - 10:00radiation, chemotherapy.
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10:02 - 10:03Upon meeting him and his family,
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10:03 - 10:06he was a couple of weeks away
from a bone marrow transplant, -
10:06 - 10:09and in listening and engaging,
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10:09 - 10:14they said, "Help us
understand -- what is cancer?" -
10:16 - 10:17How did we get this far
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10:19 - 10:21without understanding
what we're dealing with? -
10:21 - 10:24How did we get this far
without empowering somebody -
10:24 - 10:26to know what it is they're dealing with,
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10:26 - 10:29and then taking the next step and engaging
in who they are as human beings -
10:29 - 10:31to know if that is what we should do?
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10:31 - 10:34Lord knows we can do
any kind of thing to you. -
10:37 - 10:38But should we?
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10:42 - 10:44And don't take my word for it.
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10:44 - 10:48All the evidence that is related
to palliative care these days -
10:48 - 10:52demonstrates with absolute certainty
people live better and live longer. -
10:52 - 10:56There was a seminal article
out of the New England Journal of Medicine -
10:56 - 10:57in 2010.
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10:58 - 11:00A study done at Harvard
by friends of mine, colleagues. -
11:00 - 11:02End-stage lung cancer:
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11:02 - 11:04one group with palliative care,
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11:05 - 11:06a similar group without.
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11:08 - 11:11The group with palliative care
reported less pain, -
11:12 - 11:13less depression.
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11:14 - 11:16They needed fewer hospitalizations.
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11:16 - 11:18And, ladies and gentlemen,
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11:19 - 11:22they lived three to six months longer.
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11:24 - 11:27If palliative care were a cancer drug,
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11:28 - 11:31every cancer doctor on the planet
would write a prescription for it. -
11:33 - 11:34Why don't they?
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11:36 - 11:39Again, because we goofy,
long white-coat physicians -
11:39 - 11:43are trained and of the mantra
of dealing with this, -
11:44 - 11:46not with this.
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11:51 - 11:54This is a space that we will
all come to at some point. -
11:56 - 11:58But this conversation today
is not about dying, -
11:58 - 12:00it is about living.
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12:00 - 12:02Living based on our values,
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12:02 - 12:03what we find sacred
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12:03 - 12:05and how we want to write
the chapters of our lives, -
12:06 - 12:07whether it's the last
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12:07 - 12:09or the last five.
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12:10 - 12:12What we know,
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12:12 - 12:14what we have proven,
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12:14 - 12:17is that this conversation
needs to happen today -- -
12:18 - 12:20not next week, not next year.
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12:20 - 12:23What is at stake is our lives today
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12:23 - 12:25and the lives of us as we get older
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12:25 - 12:27and the lives of our children
and our grandchildren. -
12:28 - 12:30Not just in that hospital room
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12:30 - 12:32or on the couch at home,
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12:32 - 12:35but everywhere we go
and everything we see. -
12:36 - 12:42Palliative medicine is the answer
to engage with human beings, -
12:42 - 12:45to change the journey
that we will all face, -
12:46 - 12:48and change it for the better.
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12:50 - 12:52To my colleagues,
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12:53 - 12:54to my patients,
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12:55 - 12:56to my government,
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12:56 - 12:58to all human beings,
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12:58 - 13:02I ask that we stand and we
shout and we demand -
13:03 - 13:04the best care possible,
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13:05 - 13:08so that we can live better today
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13:08 - 13:09and ensure a better life tomorrow.
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13:09 - 13:11We need to shift today
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13:12 - 13:15so that we can live tomorrow.
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13:17 - 13:18Thank you very much.
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13:18 - 13:19(Applause)
- Title:
- What we can do to die well
- Speaker:
- Timothy Ihrig
- Description:
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The healthcare industry in America is so focused on pathology, surgery and pharmacology -- on what doctors "do" to patients -- that it often overlooks the values of the human beings it's supposed to care for. Palliative care physician Timothy Ihrig explains the benefits of a different approach, one that fosters a patient's overall quality of life and navigates serious illness from diagnosis to death with dignity and compassion.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 13:32
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