Why I Won’t Learn Esperanto – A Response.
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0:00 - 0:02What's up, guys? Evildea here.
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0:02 - 0:04And today I'm going to do a response
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0:04 - 0:06to a very old blog post.
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0:06 - 0:08Now the reason I'm responding to this blog post…
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0:08 - 0:10Well, there is actually few, but the main one is
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0:10 - 0:11because I just received a link to it,
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0:11 - 0:13literally, like a few days ago.
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0:13 - 0:16I received links to it before and I responded privately
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0:16 - 0:18to the person who sent me the link before
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0:18 - 0:20about my ideas regarding the content of the post.
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0:20 - 0:21But I decided: you know what,
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0:21 - 0:23I'm gonna make one video,
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0:23 - 0:24slap it all in there
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0:24 - 0:25and then just publicize it.
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0:25 - 0:26And if anyone ask me in the future
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0:26 - 0:28hey go check out my video.
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0:28 - 0:31Now, this is going to be a long response.
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0:31 - 0:33Nothing is ever just black and white.
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0:33 - 0:35Now, normally I wouldn't respond
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0:35 - 0:37to a blog post called
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0:37 - 0:39Why I Won’t Learn Esperanto,
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0:39 - 0:40French, English, whatever.
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0:40 - 0:43Because, you know, that's a personal opinion.
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0:43 - 0:44You… You…
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0:44 - 0:46You don't have to go learn anything.
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0:46 - 0:48But there is a fair few misrepresentations
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0:48 - 0:51about Esperanto within this article,
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0:51 - 0:54so I feel like I'm going to respond to those.
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0:54 - 0:55Whether you wanna learn something or not
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0:55 - 0:57is up to you, but I can respond
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0:57 - 0:59to the misrepresentations.
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0:59 - 1:01Now, the guy who wrote this, Donovan
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1:01 - 1:02(I think that's how you pronounce his name),
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1:02 - 1:05has actually engaged with me previously
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1:05 - 1:06on my YouTube channel.
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1:06 - 1:07There is one of his comments.
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1:07 - 1:08There was more, but I can't find them.
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1:08 - 1:10Maybe they were deleted, or not.
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1:10 - 1:12But anyway, seems like generally not an ass.
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1:12 - 1:13So, that's a good thing.
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1:13 - 1:16I'm not going to go attack this guy,
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1:16 - 1:17but I am going to present his biography.
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1:17 - 1:19Mainly because I feel like
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1:19 - 1:20we have so much in common.
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1:20 - 1:21It's kinda crazy.
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1:21 - 1:23The blog post was posted on website
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1:23 - 1:25The Mezzofanti Guild.
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1:25 - 1:26Name's Donovan, as I said.
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1:26 - 1:28Now, he is from Australia
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1:28 - 1:29and has travelled the world for over 14 years.
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1:29 - 1:30I'm from Australia,
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1:30 - 1:32and I'm excited about that because, you know,
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1:32 - 1:35bloggers and youtubers from Australia are quite rare.
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1:35 - 1:36And when we bump into each other
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1:36 - 1:38and discuss a topic are we both interested in
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1:38 - 1:40it… it's even more rare.
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1:40 - 1:42We are massive country with a very small population.
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1:42 - 1:44And it's super rare that I found someone
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1:44 - 1:45who is a blogger who knows anything
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1:45 - 1:47about Esperanto in Australia.
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1:47 - 1:49So, this makes it kinda special for me.
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1:49 - 1:50Anyway, he has travelled 14 years.
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1:50 - 1:52Don't know if that's consecutive or not.
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1:52 - 1:54I've done a lot of travelling myself,
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1:54 - 1:56not 14 years worth.
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1:56 - 1:58Now, he says here: “like most people though,
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1:58 - 2:00I had to study a language in school
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2:00 - 2:01(5 years of Mandarin Chinese).”
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2:01 - 2:02I was the same.
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2:02 - 2:04I didn't have to study Mandarin Chinese,
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2:04 - 2:05I had to study Japanese.
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2:05 - 2:06I did 5 years at school.
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2:06 - 2:07And I understand where he is coming from.
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2:07 - 2:09Australian education system
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2:09 - 2:11regarding the teaching of languages
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2:11 - 2:13is atrocious. It's terrible.
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2:13 - 2:14You, basically, learn nothing.
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2:14 - 2:16At least it was during my generation
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2:16 - 2:17and, I'm assuming, his generation.
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2:17 - 2:20Maybe it's changed now, back then it was terrible.
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2:20 - 2:22I did 5 years of Japanese, didn't learn anything.
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2:22 - 2:24But I have to kind of admit
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2:24 - 2:26I was in the class mainly for the girls.
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2:26 - 2:27It was a…
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2:27 - 2:29It was a confusing time during my youth,
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2:29 - 2:30you know, my teenage years.
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2:30 - 2:33There is a lot of testosterone going around,
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2:33 - 2:35lot of hormones, whatever.
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2:35 - 2:36So, I didn't learn Japanese.
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2:36 - 2:37Now, he says: “after school, …
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2:37 - 2:39did my undergraduate degree in Theology.”
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2:39 - 2:41It was here that I realized for the first time
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2:41 - 2:43just how fun and exciting languages actually are.
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2:43 - 2:44Hey, I agree.
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2:44 - 2:46After I left school I joined the army,
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2:46 - 2:48did 6 years and that's when I bumped
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2:48 - 2:49into Arabic.
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2:49 - 2:52I learned a bit, didn't find it that interesting.
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2:52 - 2:53I mention Arabic now
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2:53 - 2:56because he is actually fluent in Arabic.
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2:56 - 2:58It was the first language he got fluent in
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2:58 - 2:58apart from English.
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2:58 - 3:00So, I figured that's a good starting point.
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3:00 - 3:02Anyway after that I bumped into Esperanto
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3:02 - 3:03and that's when I realized
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3:03 - 3:05that languages can be fun and exciting.
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3:05 - 3:06So, overall, me and this guy
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3:06 - 3:08are very similar.
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3:08 - 3:08The only difference is
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3:08 - 3:10he is a Christian and I'm an atheist.
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3:10 - 3:11I just need to state,
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3:11 - 3:13I'm not going to respond to every line
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3:13 - 3:14in his article. For example,
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3:14 - 3:16the first 3 paragraphs I feel, like, are just fluff.
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3:16 - 3:18It's like how, you know,
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3:18 - 3:20Youtube has 30 seconds of logo spinning around
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3:20 - 3:22making magical sounds.
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3:22 - 3:24I feel like the first 3 paragraphs or so
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3:24 - 3:25were, basically, just fluff.
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3:25 - 3:26They weren't really needed.
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3:26 - 3:29Ok, so, “The bloke who created it (Esperanto),
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3:29 - 3:31Ludwik Zamenhof, developed a political”
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3:31 - 3:33and religious philosophy”.
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3:33 - 3:34And then he is bracketed:
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3:34 - 3:36“a cultish offshoot of Judaism that looked
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3:36 - 3:38more like something straight out of
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3:38 - 3:39The Communist Manifesto”.
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3:39 - 3:42So, obviously, this is an opinion piece,
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3:42 - 3:45but I feel like he's bracketed the insult.
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3:45 - 3:48He is kinda like demonizing Esperanto speakers
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3:48 - 3:50by linking them with things
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3:50 - 3:52that make it look bad in a sense.
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3:52 - 3:54So, first up I'm gonna break down each part
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3:54 - 3:56and explain why.
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3:56 - 3:58So, he says “a cultish offshoot of Judaism”.
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3:58 - 4:01He's mixed up a few different things here.
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4:01 - 4:03I'll explain the other things later,
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4:03 - 4:05but I will say this right now.
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4:05 - 4:08When people call something cultish
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4:08 - 4:09they are not saying “hey, that's a
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4:09 - 4:12secret religious organization” most of the time.
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4:12 - 4:14They are not saying that. They are saying:
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4:14 - 4:16“Hey, that's something you shouldn't look into,
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4:16 - 4:19because if you do – you get sucked in
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4:19 - 4:20and that's the end of it.
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4:20 - 4:21We'll never see you again.
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4:21 - 4:23And you'll end up worshipping something.”
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4:23 - 4:25So, he is kind of implying that Esperanto
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4:25 - 4:27is, in some way, a cult.
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4:27 - 4:29Which it definitely is not,
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4:29 - 4:32because there is no religious aspect to Esperanto.
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4:32 - 4:34There is no god to worship.
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4:34 - 4:37There is no higher being or anything like that.
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4:37 - 4:39It's literally just a language.
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4:39 - 4:41And then he says it's an offshoot of Judaism.
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4:41 - 4:43I'll go into this more later.
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4:43 - 4:46So, first up Zamenhof was Jewish.
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4:46 - 4:48But the vast majority of Esperanto speakers
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4:48 - 4:49aren't Jewish.
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4:49 - 4:52And probably the majority are maybe Christian,
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4:52 - 4:54but I'm not even sure about that.
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4:54 - 4:56There is a lot of atheists, a lot of Christians,
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4:56 - 4:58there is a fair few Muslims as well,
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4:58 - 5:01but not that many Jews that I know of
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5:01 - 5:02in the Esperanto community.
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5:02 - 5:04They do exist, obviously, but not that many.
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5:04 - 5:05And then he goes “looked more like something
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5:05 - 5:07straight out of The Communist Manifesto.”
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5:07 - 5:08So, now he is implying that
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5:08 - 5:10Esperanto is not only a cult,
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5:10 - 5:13but it's also something that's politically
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5:13 - 5:15in line with The Communist Manifesto.
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5:15 - 5:17I'm gonna leave that up to you to judge.
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5:17 - 5:20I will say one thing. I find this quite strange
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5:20 - 5:22coming from someone who's learned Arabic.
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5:22 - 5:24Because a lot for Arabic speakers are demonized
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5:24 - 5:27in Western media or even in Chinese media.
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5:27 - 5:29They are just demonized in general
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5:29 - 5:31due to what's happened in Middle East and
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5:31 - 5:33and due to terrorist attacks around the world.
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5:33 - 5:34So, someone who has gone out of their way
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5:34 - 5:37learn Arabic, I believe, would be more aware
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5:37 - 5:39of the hardship that they've been put through
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5:39 - 5:40by a certain memebers of their own community
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5:40 - 5:42causing all these issues.
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5:42 - 5:46So, I feel like if you were within that situation
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5:46 - 5:48you would feel less inclined yourself
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5:48 - 5:51to throw these types of insults upon another community.
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5:51 - 5:52But that's just me.
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5:52 - 5:55So, I'm not gonna go demonize every Arabic speaker
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5:55 - 5:57due to the fact that some Muslims have gone
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5:57 - 5:59and blown up people.
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5:59 - 6:00But I feel like he is kinda painting
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6:00 - 6:03the entire Esperanto speaking community
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6:03 - 6:06“something cultish”, and etc. etc.
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6:06 - 6:10Anyway, let's go into what I think
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6:10 - 6:11he is trying to talk about.
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6:11 - 6:13So there's 3 aspects to this.
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6:13 - 6:15Esperanto, the internal idea, and homaranismo.
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6:16 - 6:19So, I'll speak about Esperanto and the internal idea first.
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6:19 - 6:22Esperanto is, basically, just a language.
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6:22 - 6:25It was created prior to 1887
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6:25 - 6:26but the first book on Esperanto
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6:26 - 6:29was published by Zamenhof in 1887.
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6:29 - 6:33Zamenhof published the foundations for the language.
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6:33 - 6:34He didn't create the entire language.
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6:34 - 6:37In fact he created only a tiny portion of the language,
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6:37 - 6:39and from their it evolved
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6:39 - 6:41into this full-fledged language we have today.
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6:41 - 6:43The first book was published by Zamenhof,
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6:43 - 6:47and in the first book he stated 3 ideas
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6:47 - 6:52for why he thinks Esperanto is needed.
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6:52 - 6:53Why he, basically, created it.
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6:53 - 6:55So, let's go through these ideas
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6:55 - 6:57and see if this sounds like something
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6:57 - 6:58that's cultish to you.
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6:58 - 7:00So, he said:
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7:00 - 7:02“To render the study of language so easy
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7:02 - 7:04as to make its acquisition mere play
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7:04 - 7:05for the learner.” So, basically,
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7:05 - 7:07he wanted to create a language that was so easy
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7:07 - 7:09it will, basically, be a game.
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7:09 - 7:10So, what he was talking about
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7:10 - 7:13was gamification before Duolingo made it cool.
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7:13 - 7:16So, he wanted a language that was just super easy.
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7:16 - 7:19Second one: “To enable the learner to make direct use
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7:19 - 7:22of his knowledge with people of any nationality,
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7:22 - 7:26whether the language be universally accepted or not.”
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7:26 - 7:28The “or not” is important for later.
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7:28 - 7:31“In other words, the language is to be directly
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7:31 - 7:33a means of international communication.”
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7:33 - 7:34Very simple to understand.
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7:34 - 7:36He wanted to create a language that could be used
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7:36 - 7:38for international communication between people
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7:38 - 7:40who didn't share the same language.
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7:40 - 7:42These first 2 points are very simple to understand.
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7:42 - 7:44The 3rd point needs a bit more historical context,
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7:44 - 7:46so I'll read the 3rd point now.
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7:46 - 7:48“To find some means of overcoming
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7:48 - 7:50the natural indifference of mankind,
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7:50 - 7:52and disposing them,
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7:52 - 7:55in the quickest manner possible, and en masse,
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7:55 - 7:58to learn and use proposed language as a living one,
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7:58 - 8:01and not only in last extremities,
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8:01 - 8:02and with the key at hand.”
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8:02 - 8:04So, let's break down what he is talking about here.
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8:04 - 8:06This refers to the internal idea
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8:07 - 8:09that exists within Esperanto community.
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8:09 - 8:11So, the Esperanto community has
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8:11 - 8:14these 3 things that are the internal idea,
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8:14 - 8:16but this one's more so the last.
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8:16 - 8:18So, there's these 3 things he mentions.
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8:18 - 8:19Natural indifference.
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8:19 - 8:22So, he is talking about the historical context
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8:22 - 8:23in which Esperanto was born.
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8:23 - 8:26Esperanto was born during a time in history
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8:26 - 8:29when Poland was ruled by Russia.
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8:29 - 8:31And the whole of Europe, ok,
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8:31 - 8:34was devided based on language.
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8:34 - 8:37So, if you spoke French you are French.
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8:37 - 8:39If you spoke German you are German.
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8:39 - 8:40And we don't like each other.
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8:40 - 8:42That's just how it was.
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8:42 - 8:44So, the natural indifference was
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8:44 - 8:47extreme tribalism and nationalism,
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8:47 - 8:48which was just rampant in a society.
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8:49 - 8:50And this was reflected in a term
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8:50 - 8:52which Zamenhof grew up in.
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8:52 - 8:56Basically, those Poles, Germans, Russians, Yiddish,
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8:56 - 8:57and no one spoke to each other
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8:57 - 9:00because they all belonged to different groups.
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9:00 - 9:02They were all different ethnic groups.
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9:02 - 9:04So, this was extreme tribalism
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9:04 - 9:06or the natural indifference of society.
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9:06 - 9:08And he wanted to dispose of this.
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9:08 - 9:11He also wanted to create a living language.
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9:11 - 9:13Now, his idea of a living language
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9:13 - 9:15and the idea of a living language
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9:15 - 9:18for some groups of modern Esperanto speakers
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9:18 - 9:19is quite different.
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9:19 - 9:21Zamenhof wanted to create a language
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9:21 - 9:23that would be learned by everyone,
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9:23 - 9:26eventually almost as a native language.
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9:26 - 9:27But we would speak… Say,
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9:27 - 9:28in Australia I would speak English,
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9:28 - 9:31and when I went to China I wouldn't speak English,
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9:31 - 9:32my native language,
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9:32 - 9:34I would swap to Esperanto and speak Esperanto
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9:34 - 9:35with an Esperanto-speaking Chinese speaker.
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9:35 - 9:38And we them came to Australia be vice versa.
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9:38 - 9:40So, we would keep our native languages
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9:40 - 9:42but we would also have a secondary native language –
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9:42 - 9:43Esperanto.
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9:43 - 9:45Now, a lot of modern Esperanto speakers, like,
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9:45 - 9:48“no-no-no, Esperanto is the second language
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9:48 - 9:50and you have you native language.”
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9:50 - 9:51So, they are against the idea
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9:51 - 9:53of anyone learning Esperanto as a native language.
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9:53 - 9:56But you can see Zamenhof's idea
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9:56 - 9:58in the fact that he taught Esperanto
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9:58 - 10:00as a language to his children,
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10:00 - 10:03and a lot of early Esperanto speakers
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10:03 - 10:04took on this idea.
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10:04 - 10:06But, basically, what happened is
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10:06 - 10:09in the early history of Esperanto the ideas swapped
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10:09 - 10:12and less people start teaching it to their children.
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10:12 - 10:14A lot of people still teach it to their children
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10:14 - 10:16and I feel like a lot more are starting to now,
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10:16 - 10:17like some of my friends are.
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10:17 - 10:21So, this being an evolution in ideas about
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10:21 - 10:23should Esperanto be a native language or not.
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10:23 - 10:25But he believed, in essence, that it should be.
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10:25 - 10:27The last part he says the “key at hand.”
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10:27 - 10:30This is not some mysterious cultish thing,
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10:30 - 10:32it's simply talking about the “Unua Libro”.
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10:32 - 10:34It, basically, had a key within it.
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10:34 - 10:36And the key was: these are the words,
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10:36 - 10:38this is the grammar, you can use this as a cipher
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10:38 - 10:41to transfer your English to Esperanto.
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10:41 - 10:43Write a letter, send it off to your friend
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10:43 - 10:45who would use their key to decipher it back
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10:45 - 10:48into like whatever their language is, Russian.
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10:48 - 10:49So, it was, basically,
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10:49 - 10:52like a really poor version of Google Translate.
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10:52 - 10:53And eventually, he hoped,
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10:53 - 10:54that when the people got good at that
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10:54 - 10:56that they might speak it, evolve on it,
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10:56 - 10:58and then it will become its own language.
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10:58 - 11:01In fact Esperanto was, probably, the first
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11:01 - 11:03crowdsource language. The first open source language.
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11:03 - 11:06Because when Zamenhof published it he said:
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11:06 - 11:08hey, I created this, but it ain't mine.
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11:08 - 11:10Don't come to me asking for questions,
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11:10 - 11:11you guys figure it out.
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11:11 - 11:14He, basically, went: I'm not, like,
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11:14 - 11:16the leader of this movement in any sense.
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11:16 - 11:18But the funny thing is, I've given you
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11:18 - 11:21all of this historical information,
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11:21 - 11:23but the vast majority of Esperanto speakers
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11:23 - 11:25don't know anything about this.
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11:25 - 11:28It's like those people who know a ton of information
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11:28 - 11:31about the Constitution of the US
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11:31 - 11:33and the Founding Fathers and what they think
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11:33 - 11:34and all that type of stuff.
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11:34 - 11:36You go ask the standard person on the street
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11:36 - 11:39what the Founding Fathers thought about this and that,
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11:39 - 11:41or you ask them about Constitution
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11:41 - 11:42and they'll have a vague idea
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11:42 - 11:44about a couple of things here and there.
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11:44 - 11:48So, that's what the Unua Libro is to Esperanto speakers.
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11:48 - 11:50It's like the Constitution,
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11:50 - 11:53but without the legal backing that comes with it.
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11:53 - 11:56So, it's kind of like this document
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11:56 - 11:58that we look at historically
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11:58 - 12:00and it impacts on certain aspects
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12:00 - 12:01of the Esperanto community,
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12:01 - 12:04but there is no legal force behind it.
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12:04 - 12:06So, realistically, it doesn't have
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12:06 - 12:08that much of influence
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12:08 - 12:09in the modern Esperanto community.
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12:09 - 12:12So, the next thing he spoke about was homaranismo.
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12:12 - 12:15So, homaranismo is something completely separate
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12:15 - 12:17to Esperanto that Zamenhof created.
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12:17 - 12:19So, let's talk about that now.
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12:19 - 12:24Homaranismo is a philosophy that Zamenhof created.
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12:24 - 12:25And the idea was that
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12:25 - 12:27everyone's religious during the time
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12:27 - 12:29when Zamenhof was, like, alive.
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12:29 - 12:30Everyone was religious.
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12:30 - 12:32Everyone belonged to some religion
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12:32 - 12:34and the religions were almost linked with languages
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12:34 - 12:36and the infighting between the religions
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12:36 - 12:37was based around these
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12:37 - 12:40religious/language linguistic groups.
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12:40 - 12:43And he kinda wanted to find a solution to that as well
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12:43 - 12:45So, he was warking on two things at once.
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12:45 - 12:47So, he created a homaranismo
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12:47 - 12:50and it was originally based on Hillelism…
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12:50 - 12:52I don't know how to pronounce that word.
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12:52 - 12:55Anyway, it's like a Jewish belief system
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12:55 - 12:57he based on that originally and then he went
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12:57 - 12:58e-eh, nah, scrap this.
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12:58 - 13:00So he ditched… he completely ditched that
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13:00 - 13:02and he created his own belief system.
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13:02 - 13:04And, basically, the belief system is a philosophy.
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13:04 - 13:09So, here are the 2 main core beliefs of homaranismo.
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13:09 - 13:11And I'm gonna… these are in Esperanto,
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13:11 - 13:13so I'm gonna translate them to English on the fly,
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13:13 - 13:16so my translation may not be, like, the best.
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13:16 - 13:17But I was too lazy to just translate it
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13:18 - 13:20because there is no English translation.
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13:20 - 13:22So, he says: I am a human,
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13:22 - 13:25and the entire human race I see as one family;
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13:25 - 13:27the division of the human race
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13:27 - 13:28(see, I've put division in green)
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13:28 - 13:30the division of the human race
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13:30 - 13:36into different, like, enemy ethnic groups
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13:36 - 13:38and the ethnic religious communities
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13:38 - 13:43I see as the biggest unhappiness, the biggest unluck
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13:43 - 13:46(ok), which sooner or later must disappear
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13:46 - 13:49and whose disappearance I will accelerate
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13:49 - 13:51according to my ability.
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13:51 - 13:52So, what he is saying is
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13:52 - 13:56he regards the division as the biggest,
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13:56 - 13:58worst thing that's happened.
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13:58 - 14:01Not the ethnic groups, not the religious ethnic groups,
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14:01 - 14:04but the division between those groups.
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14:04 - 14:06So, he supports the ethnic groups,
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14:06 - 14:07but he hates the division
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14:07 - 14:09that's been formed between them
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14:09 - 14:12by people using them to their benefit.
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14:12 - 14:14You know, to their own personal benefit.
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14:14 - 14:17And he wants to make that disappear, the division.
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14:17 - 14:20I'm pretty sure anyone in the world would agree
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14:20 - 14:22that division between ethnic groups is a bad thing,
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14:22 - 14:25and anyone who proposes creating division
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14:25 - 14:27is just being bad in general.
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14:27 - 14:28Now, the 2nd point is:
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14:28 - 14:30I see an every human only a human
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14:30 - 14:32and I treat every human
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14:32 - 14:36according to his personal worth and actions.
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14:37 - 14:40Every offense and oppression (that's in green)
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14:40 - 14:42of a person because of that he belongs
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14:42 - 14:46to a particular ethnic group or language or social class
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14:46 - 14:49that's different to me I see as a barbarity.
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14:49 - 14:54So, he sees the oppression of people as a barbarity.
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14:54 - 14:57So, Zamenhof is all for ethnic groups,
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14:57 - 15:01he believes in the diversity of the human race.
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15:01 - 15:03I think anyone who looks at this
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15:03 - 15:06and associates this as cultish
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15:06 - 15:09or as something that belong to communism
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15:09 - 15:12really is misreading it.
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15:12 - 15:14Now, maybe on its surface
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15:14 - 15:17communism and this have something, like,
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15:17 - 15:19align with each other,
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15:19 - 15:20but this is just as much aligned
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15:20 - 15:23with the beliefs of Christianity or Islam,
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15:23 - 15:25at least in my eyes.
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15:25 - 15:27So, anyway, that's what he actually believed
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15:27 - 15:29regarding homaranismo.
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15:29 - 15:32Esperanto was separate and in fact and, as I said,
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15:32 - 15:33homaranismo died.
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15:33 - 15:35It would probably been better if it survived
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15:35 - 15:36but it died off.
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15:36 - 15:40So, he believed oppression is bad, division is bad.
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15:40 - 15:42So, another thing this person says in a blog is
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15:42 - 15:46“Esperantistan is an ideologically homogenous
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15:46 - 15:48(I can never pronounce this word,
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15:48 - 15:50I'm not even gonna bother) landscape.”
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15:50 - 15:51So he is basically saying that
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15:51 - 15:53everyone in the Esperanto community
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15:53 - 15:54thinks exactly the same.
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15:54 - 15:56First off, I just wanna point out one thing
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15:56 - 15:58he said “Esperantistan.”
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15:58 - 16:00I find this quite a strange word.
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16:00 - 16:02Now, the Esperanto word for Esperanto speakers
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16:02 - 16:04is “esperantisto.”
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16:04 - 16:06So, he obviously knows a little bit about, um,
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16:06 - 16:08you know, word formation in Esperanto.
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16:08 - 16:11But then he uses this English ending -stan,
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16:11 - 16:14which is only ever used for words around
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16:14 - 16:17the Middle East or maybe, like, Ex-Soviet countries.
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16:17 - 16:19I'm wondering why he did that.
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16:19 - 16:21There is only 1 of 2 reasons:
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16:21 - 16:25one is because he loves Arabic culture so much
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16:25 - 16:28and he's just got -stan stuck in his head,
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16:28 - 16:30or two – he is thinking more along
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16:30 - 16:32the bogan English thinking.
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16:32 - 16:35A lot of bogan, like, English speakers,
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16:35 - 16:37especially in Sidney, add -stan
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16:37 - 16:38to an end of a place name
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16:38 - 16:40to make it sound like a war zone
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16:40 - 16:41or something that's just bad
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16:41 - 16:43and generally not good to go to.
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16:43 - 16:46So, I don't know which meaning he is aiming at here,
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16:46 - 16:48but, you know, it's really not that important.
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16:48 - 16:50The actual word for the Esperanto community
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16:50 - 16:52would be Esperantujo,
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16:52 - 16:54so you can use that in future blog post.
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16:54 - 16:56“Wherever you travel, you meet people
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16:56 - 16:57of all different persuasions.
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16:57 - 16:59No matter what language you learn,
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16:59 - 17:00you'll meet speakers all the time
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17:00 - 17:03from the far left to the far right of the political spectrum.
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17:03 - 17:06You'll also meet non-believers, nominal believers,
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17:06 - 17:07the devout and the extreme.
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17:07 - 17:10Esperanto, being an ideological tool that it is,
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17:10 - 17:10opposes this.”
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17:10 - 17:12So he is, basically, saying:
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17:12 - 17:14Esperanto has one belief system, we all follow that.
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17:14 - 17:16So, the question is: are modern Esperanto speakers
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17:16 - 17:18all ideologically the same?
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17:18 - 17:21Well, no. Because I'm proof of that.
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17:21 - 17:22Even though that's kind of anecdotal
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17:22 - 17:25let's start with myself, because I know myself.
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17:25 - 17:28I'm the most popular Esperanto youtuber in the world.
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17:28 - 17:31Woah. That's saying a lot for a small community,
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17:31 - 17:33but I am. Well, it's not really saying that much,
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17:33 - 17:36but I am I'm the most popular Esperanto youtuber.
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17:36 - 17:39Not kinda, like, trying to flaunt it or anything,
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17:39 - 17:42but the reason I'm pointing this out is because
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17:42 - 17:46I, probably, go against the trend of a lot of groups.
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17:46 - 17:48Now, I'm not a communist, I, in fact,
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17:48 - 17:51think that communism is an ideology that
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17:51 - 17:54has result in a deaths of millions is terrible.
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17:54 - 17:55It sounds good on the surface,
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17:55 - 17:58but once you actually try to apply it to humans
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17:58 - 18:00which, in essence, are broken –
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18:00 - 18:03like, humans are easily corruptible –
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18:03 - 18:05it becomes terrible.
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18:05 - 18:07So, I'm actually a capitalist.
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18:07 - 18:09I believe that, you know, we should work for goods
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18:09 - 18:12and we trade goods based on our own means
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18:12 - 18:13without interference from others.
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18:13 - 18:15I don't believe in big government,
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18:15 - 18:17I feel like small government's the way to go.
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18:17 - 18:19I believe some regulations required
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18:19 - 18:21and I'm totally not religious.
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18:21 - 18:26So, I'm probably more right leaning in a lot of ways.
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18:26 - 18:28Probably in a majority of ways.
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18:28 - 18:31Now, to give you an idea, my local Esperanto group,
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18:31 - 18:33which, basically, consists of my friends.
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18:33 - 18:36We, uh, people who fit into
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18:36 - 18:38pretty much every political ideology.
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18:38 - 18:40Now, in Australia (he is aware of this,
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18:40 - 18:41but I'll point out for everyone else)
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18:41 - 18:42in Australia there's 3 major parties:
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18:42 - 18:44the Greens, Liberals, and the Labours.
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18:44 - 18:47Eh, and Labour. (laughs) and Labours. And Labour.
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18:47 - 18:48Um, so, the Greens,
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18:48 - 18:50you probably aware of what they are:
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18:50 - 18:52they are, basically, far left.
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18:52 - 18:54Then you got Liberal. Liberal is kind of like
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18:54 - 18:57our version of the Conservative party in US,
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18:57 - 18:58so they are kind of like right.
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18:58 - 19:01They are like leaning towards the right.
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19:01 - 19:02And then you got Labour,
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19:02 - 19:04which is like our version of the Democrats
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19:04 - 19:05which are leaning towards left.
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19:05 - 19:08So, I vote Liberal.
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19:08 - 19:09Because I think that their policies in general
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19:09 - 19:11are just better for us as a society.
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19:11 - 19:14Now, in my local group there are Greens voters,
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19:14 - 19:17there are Liberal voters, and there are Labour voters.
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19:17 - 19:19And we are all Esperanto speakers,
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19:19 - 19:20and we all get along fine.
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19:20 - 19:23We have our political debates but that's about it.
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19:23 - 19:25We are not all ideologically the same
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19:25 - 19:28and definitely are very different in a lot of regards.
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19:28 - 19:30Now, I've put in red here that the only thing
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19:30 - 19:32every Esperanto speaker agrees on
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19:32 - 19:34is that we speak Esperanto.
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19:34 - 19:36And we can't even agree on that most of the time.
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19:36 - 19:38If you look at my YouTube comments
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19:38 - 19:40often I'll have YouTube comments like
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19:40 - 19:42“you are not speaking real Esperanto
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19:42 - 19:44because you are using this or that made-up word”.
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19:44 - 19:46You know, it's like when someone says
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19:46 - 19:48you can't use “they” as a singular in English
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19:48 - 19:49and then you have the whole thing…
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19:49 - 19:51It's the same thing that happens in Esperanto,
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19:51 - 19:54there is always, like, a grammar debate somewhere.
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19:54 - 19:56Um, and that's pretty much just how it goes.
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19:56 - 19:59So, the only thing Esperanto speakers agree on,
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19:59 - 20:02realistically, is that we speak Esperanto.
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20:02 - 20:03Or at least some form of it.
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20:03 - 20:06So, the idea that we are all the same
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20:06 - 20:07is a bit strange to me,
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20:07 - 20:08and he used one reference
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20:08 - 20:11to one person's anecdotal experience
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20:11 - 20:12about going to an event.
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20:12 - 20:15Now, the thing is with events:
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20:15 - 20:19events, anywhere in the world, are representative
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20:19 - 20:21of the people who run those events.
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20:21 - 20:23And if someone… If the people who run that event
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20:23 - 20:25all are left leaning then the even, in general,
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20:25 - 20:26is going to be very left leaning.
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20:26 - 20:29If all people who run the event are very right leaning
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20:29 - 20:30the same thing happens.
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20:30 - 20:32So, if you just happen to go to an event
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20:32 - 20:33that sounds interesting,
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20:33 - 20:36but, unfortunately, is being politically tainted
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20:36 - 20:37by the people who run that event
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20:37 - 20:40then that means you gonna feel like
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20:40 - 20:41everyone around you
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20:41 - 20:44is of the same political persuasion.
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20:44 - 20:45It's not true in the Esperanto community,
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20:45 - 20:47it's not true in general.
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20:47 - 20:49I think that's, probably, a bad example.
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20:49 - 20:52Now, he says: “Not only does it have no culture
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20:52 - 20:55but its adherents are delusional.
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20:55 - 20:57Esperanto has no country or geographical ties
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20:57 - 20:58to an ancestral homeland.
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20:58 - 21:00Unlike natural languages, you don't learn Esperanto
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21:00 - 21:02because you are fascinated by a country,
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21:02 - 21:03people group or location.
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21:03 - 21:05Outside of a few crackpots
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21:05 - 21:07who decided to turn their kids into circus acts
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21:07 - 21:09by raising them with Esperanto as a first language,
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21:09 - 21:11it has no inter-generational indentity
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21:11 - 21:14or national/tribal history.”
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21:14 - 21:18Okay. So, before I break into responding to that
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21:18 - 21:22I'm just gonna read the follow-up part he wrote:
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21:22 - 21:24“To which…” Some people say that Esperanto
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21:24 - 21:26does have culture because it's got music, foods,
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21:26 - 21:30events, literature. And he responds with:
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21:30 - 21:31I think this is “incredibly shallow
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21:31 - 21:34and [a] poor understanding of what culture actually is.”
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21:34 - 21:36So, let's go back to the previous point.
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21:36 - 21:38He says: “Esperanto has no country
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21:38 - 21:40or geographical ties to an ancestral homeland.”
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21:40 - 21:42That's true, we don't have a country.
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21:42 - 21:45There's some geographical places
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21:45 - 21:48that are linked very closely to Esperanto.
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21:48 - 21:50For instance, uh, the Esperanto urbeto
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21:50 - 21:53which is a small town in Germany.
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21:53 - 21:54I forget the German name.
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21:54 - 21:56Someone will put in the comments. [Herzberg am Harz?]
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21:56 - 21:59Basically, there Esperanto is
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21:59 - 22:00part of the local community,
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22:00 - 22:02all signage are in Esperanto,
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22:02 - 22:05but it's used more is kinda like a tourism thing.
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22:05 - 22:06So, it's not really like a thing
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22:06 - 22:08that's been passed on generation to generation.
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22:08 - 22:11So, I agree with him, Esperanto has no country
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22:11 - 22:13or geographical ties. Okay?
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22:13 - 22:15That's the extent of my agreement.
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22:15 - 22:17“Unlike natural languages, you don't learn Esperanto
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22:17 - 22:18because you are fascinated by a country,
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22:18 - 22:20people group or location.”
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22:20 - 22:22I don't necessarily learn a language because I'm fas…
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22:22 - 22:24Like, for instance, I learned Chinese
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22:24 - 22:26not because I'm fascinated with the country,
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22:26 - 22:28the people, the group or the location.
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22:28 - 22:30I learned Chinese because I need it
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22:30 - 22:32to speak with my wife's parents.
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22:32 - 22:34Afterwards I became fascinated
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22:34 - 22:36in the country, people, and location,
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22:36 - 22:38but I didn't start learning it because of that.
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22:38 - 22:40So, this is, uh, a forward assumption
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22:40 - 22:42that people learn language because of this.
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22:42 - 22:44“It has no inter-generational indentity
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22:44 - 22:46or national/tribal history.”
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22:46 - 22:48So, Esperanto is 130 years old.
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22:48 - 22:52So, it can't develop a very big “tribal history”
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22:52 - 22:54(I'm gonna call it “tribal history”
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22:54 - 22:55to keep it in line with that he's saying)
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22:55 - 22:56during that time.
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22:56 - 22:59But there's 4th generation Esperanto speakers,
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22:59 - 23:00that means they learned Esperanto,
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23:00 - 23:02their parents, their parents, their parents.
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23:02 - 23:03You know, going back 4 generations.
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23:03 - 23:06They do exist. We've actually got one here in Sidney.
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23:06 - 23:08She, um, not 4th generation,
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23:08 - 23:09I think she is, like, 3rd generation.
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23:09 - 23:13So, Esperanto's been in her family for quite some time.
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23:13 - 23:15And she has, basically, photo albums
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23:15 - 23:17going back to her great grandma
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23:17 - 23:18where she's showing pictures of them
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23:18 - 23:21at Esperanto events, how they met, you know,
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23:21 - 23:22Esperanto passed along for the family.
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23:22 - 23:24It's the same thing when I went to, um, Germany.
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23:24 - 23:27I stayed with an Esperanto speaking family from Munich
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23:27 - 23:30and they had Esperanto in their family
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23:30 - 23:31for a few generations.
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23:31 - 23:32And if you told them
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23:32 - 23:35that it wasn't part of their “family history”
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23:35 - 23:36You'd, basically, be insulting them
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23:36 - 23:40because it's how their family even formed
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23:40 - 23:41a couple of generations ago.
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23:41 - 23:46Now, Esperanto has not just a “tribal history”
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23:46 - 23:50it has… also has, like, tribal pain in a sense.
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23:50 - 23:52So, I've got this book here called “La Danĝera Lingvo”,
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23:52 - 23:54which means a dangerous language,
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23:54 - 23:57and it basically details all the times during history
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23:57 - 23:59Esperanto speakers have been killed
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23:59 - 24:02due to the fact that they speak Esperanto.
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24:02 - 24:03Or they have been locked up
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24:03 - 24:05because they speak Esperanto.
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24:05 - 24:07It talks about how Hitler killed Esperanto speakers,
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24:07 - 24:08Stalin killed Esperanto speakers,
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24:08 - 24:10they had a japanese lock them up in World War II.
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24:10 - 24:14It goes into depth, and these types of things, for me,
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24:14 - 24:16are what glue culture together.
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24:16 - 24:18The sufferings and the shared culture.
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24:18 - 24:22So, this is a book, and now I'm going to quickly
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24:22 - 24:23just place in a short video
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24:23 - 24:25of me walking around the Esperanto library.
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24:25 - 24:27I know he considers literature
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24:27 - 24:29to be a shallow example of culture,
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24:29 - 24:34but for me literature is a perfect example of culture.
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24:34 - 24:36Now, I'm showing you the Esperanto library here,
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24:36 - 24:37as you can see there is a lot of books.
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24:37 - 24:38I'm not going to put in too much,
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24:38 - 24:40you can search for this in my YouTube channel
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24:40 - 24:42if you want more in-depth videos.
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24:42 - 24:45Now, he says a good definition of culture is
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24:45 - 24:46something that's
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24:46 - 24:49“intangible aspects of human societies,
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24:49 - 24:51patterns of behaviours and interactions,
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24:51 - 24:53cognitive constructs.”
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24:53 - 24:56For me, this definition is so abstract
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24:56 - 24:58that I'm unable to define culture
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24:58 - 25:00through this definition.
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25:00 - 25:04So, if I was him I would've presented
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25:04 - 25:07an example of this through Australian culture.
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25:07 - 25:10So, what are the intangible aspects
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25:10 - 25:12of Australian culture?
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25:12 - 25:13What a the patterns of behavior
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25:13 - 25:14of Australian culture?
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25:14 - 25:17And interactions and cognitive constructs.
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25:17 - 25:18I can't even think about that
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25:18 - 25:22for Australian culture, so
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25:22 - 25:23I definitely couldn't think
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25:23 - 25:24about that for Esperanto culture.
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25:24 - 25:26I feel like this is a meaning that so abstract
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25:26 - 25:28that it's lost its meaning.
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25:28 - 25:31Anyway, maybe there is some way
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25:31 - 25:32that you can do this,
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25:32 - 25:34you'd have to be a neuroscientist
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25:34 - 25:35to figure this one out, I think.
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25:35 - 25:37So, in the end he says:
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25:37 - 25:38“the original goal for Esperanto, in fact,
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25:38 - 25:41conflicts with the very nature of human cultures:
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25:41 - 25:44to serve, to separate and distinguish
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25:44 - 25:47humans as unique groups.”
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25:47 - 25:47Well, remember
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25:47 - 25:50what the original goal was according to Zamenhof.
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25:50 - 25:51It was to create a tool
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25:51 - 25:55in which we could contact each other across culture.
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25:55 - 25:56It was not to replace culture.
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25:56 - 25:59Now I've been speaking about Esperanto culture
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25:59 - 26:00for the last 5 minutes,
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26:00 - 26:02so you, probably, a bit confused.
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26:02 - 26:03Not everyone follows
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26:03 - 26:05what Zamenhof originally intended.
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26:05 - 26:08In fact, the vast majority of the Esperanto community
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26:08 - 26:10do as they please.
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26:10 - 26:11And although Esperanto was created
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26:11 - 26:14with an original goal by Zamenhof
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26:14 - 26:17over a 130+ years it has evolved
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26:17 - 26:19into many different directions
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26:19 - 26:22and people use it for many different reasons.
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26:22 - 26:23So, there's still a few people
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26:23 - 26:25who use it as that original tool
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26:25 - 26:26for international communication,
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26:26 - 26:28and there's lots of people like me
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26:28 - 26:29who is simply enjoying the culture
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26:29 - 26:32that evolved out of Esperanto.
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26:32 - 26:33So, he also says that
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26:33 - 26:36“Esperanto evangelists
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26:36 - 26:37(I can't even pronounce that word
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26:37 - 26:38because I barely every use it)”
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26:38 - 26:40aren't just passionate – they are fanatical.
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26:40 - 26:42So yeah, the extreme thing.
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26:42 - 26:43Discussing Esperanto with an Esperantist
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26:43 - 26:46is like discussing theology with Jehovah's Witness
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26:46 - 26:48or animal rights with a PETA activist.”
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26:48 - 26:50Now, I know he is going to
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26:50 - 26:51use this video as an example,
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26:51 - 26:52so I'm just gonna point this out.
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26:52 - 26:54You can go learn whatever you want,
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26:54 - 26:57I don't care if you learn Esperanto.
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26:57 - 26:58For you, the viewer,
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26:58 - 27:00if you randomly stumbled across this video,
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27:00 - 27:02I don't care if you go learn Esperanto.
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27:02 - 27:03If you choose to – great.
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27:03 - 27:04You know, do it for you
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27:04 - 27:06if that's something you enjoy.
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27:06 - 27:08But I'm not saying you need to learn Esperanto.
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27:08 - 27:11And I think the vast majority of Esperanto speakers
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27:11 - 27:12are like that.
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27:12 - 27:14What I'm trying to do throught this video
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27:14 - 27:16is to provide an interesting perspective
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27:16 - 27:17into unique community.
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27:17 - 27:20And do we worship Zamenhof?
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27:20 - 27:21Because through this whole thing
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27:21 - 27:24he is trying to present Esperanto like a religion.
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27:24 - 27:25And I get the feeling
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27:25 - 27:28that he is saying that we “worship” Zamenhof.
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27:28 - 27:30Now, there are, probably,
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27:30 - 27:33a few Esperanto speakers that do worship Zamenhof,
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27:33 - 27:35just like there are a few Americans who,
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27:35 - 27:38probably, worship the Founding Fathers.
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27:38 - 27:42There is always a fanatical person in every community.
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27:42 - 27:44Do we define the communities
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27:44 - 27:46based on those few fanatics?
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27:46 - 27:48No, we don't. Okay?
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27:48 - 27:50And to give you, eh, example here:
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27:50 - 27:51Mojosujo.
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27:51 - 27:54Mojosa means cool in Esperanto.
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27:54 - 27:56“-ujo”, as I said previously, is kind of a country.
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27:56 - 27:58So, Mojosujo is cool country.
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27:58 - 27:59What happens a lot is
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27:59 - 28:02Esperanto speakers when speaking in public, um,
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28:02 - 28:03people hear us speaking
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28:03 - 28:04and they'll go
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28:04 - 28:04“hey, what the language is that?”
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28:04 - 28:08because it sounds so weird like foreign to them.
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28:08 - 28:10And we'll explain what it is
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28:10 - 28:13and then we often get, like, mocked.
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28:13 - 28:14Like, people would just mock us like
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28:14 - 28:16why would you just speak that language,
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28:16 - 28:17why not learn a real language?
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28:17 - 28:20Even though there is no definition for a real language.
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28:20 - 28:22Anyway, so what Esperanto speakers often do
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28:22 - 28:24in public is we say “Uh, we are from Mojosujo,
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28:24 - 28:27it's just a small eastern European country.”
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28:27 - 28:28And then now will be an end of the conversation
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28:28 - 28:30Just due to the fact that we
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28:30 - 28:34don't wanna have this discussion every 10 seconds.
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28:34 - 28:36So idea that we go fanatically around and go
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28:36 - 28:38“you must learn Esperanto speaker… uh,
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28:38 - 28:39you must learn Esperanto”
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28:39 - 28:41is… it's kinda strange.
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28:41 - 28:43Okay. So, I'm just gonna finish this all.
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28:43 - 28:46And he says “Esperanto has failed –
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28:46 - 28:48not that we needed it anyway.”
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28:48 - 28:50I'm gonna leave you with the quote
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28:50 - 28:53from Zamenhof from the Unua Libro de Esperanto,
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28:53 - 28:55the first book of Esperanto:
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28:55 - 28:57“To enable the learner to make direct use
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28:57 - 29:00of his knowledge with people of any nationality,
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29:00 - 29:04whether the language be universally accepted or not.”
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29:04 - 29:06Esperanto speakers don't care
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29:06 - 29:07what the international language is,
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29:07 - 29:10we use Esperanto for many different reasons.
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29:10 - 29:12Some might use it for international communication
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29:12 - 29:13as Zamenhof proposed,
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29:13 - 29:15some, like me, use it because
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29:15 - 29:16it's an interesting cultural thing
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29:16 - 29:17and all my friends speak it,
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29:17 - 29:20some use it because it's a family language.
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29:20 - 29:21Has it failed for me?
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29:21 - 29:23No, I found it interesting.
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29:23 - 29:25I've used it in an international communication,
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29:25 - 29:27I make money through Esperanto,
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29:27 - 29:29and my friends speak Esperanto,
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29:29 - 29:31and my children, probably, will speak it too.
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29:31 - 29:34So, for me it's just an interesting thing
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29:34 - 29:36and it's part of my personal culture.
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29:36 - 29:40Has it failed to become the international language?
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29:40 - 29:41For some people like me it's worked
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29:41 - 29:43as an international language, for others – no.
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29:43 - 29:45So, anyway, that's the end of the video.
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29:45 - 29:47Just wanted to, uh, give my input on this,
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29:47 - 29:49sorry if it's extremely long.
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29:49 - 29:51And if you like this video you know what to do.
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29:51 - 29:52Like it, share it around,
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29:52 - 29:54sub to the channel if you haven't already.
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29:54 - 29:56And I'll see you all in the next video.
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29:56 - 29:57And I'll leave you with a warning:
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29:57 - 29:59my future videos are pretty much all
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29:59 - 30:00gonna be in Esperanto.
- Title:
- Why I Won’t Learn Esperanto – A Response.
- Description:
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In this vlog, I respond to an old blog post made by the Mezzoguild on why he won't learn Esperanto.
https://www.mezzoguild.com/esperanto/
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