Who counts as a speaker of a language? | Anna Babel | TEDxOhioStateUniversity
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0:19 - 0:24People say that a long, long time ago,
everybody on earth spoke the same language -
0:24 - 0:26and belonged to the same tribe.
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0:26 - 0:29And I guess people had
a little too much time on their hands -
0:29 - 0:32because they decided
they were going to work together -
0:32 - 0:34to become as great as God.
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0:34 - 0:37So they started to build a tower
up into the heavens. -
0:38 - 0:40God saw this and was angry.
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0:40 - 0:42And to punish the people
for their arrogance, -
0:42 - 0:43God destroyed the tower
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0:43 - 0:46and scattered the people
to the ends of the earth -
0:46 - 0:48and made them all speak
different languages. -
0:49 - 0:52This is the story of the Tower of Babel.
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0:52 - 0:55And it's probably not a literal,
historical truth. -
0:55 - 0:57But it does tell us something
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0:57 - 1:01about the way that we understand
languages and speakers. -
1:01 - 1:05So for one thing, we often think
about speaking different languages -
1:05 - 1:09as meaning that we don't get along
or maybe we are in conflict -
1:09 - 1:12and speaking the same language as meaning
that we belong to the same group -
1:12 - 1:15and that we can work together.
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1:15 - 1:17Modern linguists know
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1:17 - 1:20that the relationship
between language and social categories -
1:20 - 1:22is intricate and complex.
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1:22 - 1:26And we bring a lot of baggage
to the way that we understand language -
1:26 - 1:29to the point that even
a seemingly simple question like, -
1:29 - 1:32"What makes a person
a speaker of a language?" -
1:32 - 1:34can turn out to be
really, really complicated. -
1:35 - 1:38I'm a Spanish professor at Ohio State.
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1:38 - 1:40I teach mostly upper level courses
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1:40 - 1:45where the students have taken four to five
years of university-level Spanish courses. -
1:45 - 1:49So students who are in my class
speak Spanish with me all semester long, -
1:49 - 1:53they listen to me speaking Spanish,
they turn in written work in Spanish. -
1:53 - 1:56And yet, when I asked my students
at the beginning of the semester, -
1:56 - 1:59"Who considers themselves
a Spanish speaker?" -
1:59 - 2:02not very many of them raised their hands.
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2:02 - 2:05So you can be a really, really
good speaker of a language -
2:05 - 2:09and still not consider yourself
a language speaker. -
2:10 - 2:14Maybe it's not just
about how well you speak a language. -
2:14 - 2:18Maybe it's also about what age you start
learning that language. -
2:18 - 2:21But when we look at kids
who speak Spanish at home -
2:21 - 2:25but mostly English at work or in school,
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2:25 - 2:29they often feel like they don't speak
either language really well. -
2:29 - 2:33They sometimes feel like they exist
in a state of languagelessness -
2:33 - 2:36because they don't feel fully comfortable
in Spanish at school, -
2:36 - 2:40and they don't feel fully comfortable
in English at home. -
2:40 - 2:44We have this really strong idea
that in order to be a good bilingual, -
2:44 - 2:47we have to be two
monolinguals in one body. -
2:48 - 2:51But linguists know that's not really
how bilingualism works. -
2:51 - 2:55It's actually much more common
for people to specialize, -
2:55 - 3:00to use one language in one place
and another language in another place. -
3:01 - 3:05Now, it's not always only
about how we see ourselves; -
3:05 - 3:08it can also be about
how other people see us. -
3:09 - 3:13I do my research in Bolivia,
which is a country in South America. -
3:13 - 3:16And in Bolivia, as in the United States,
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3:16 - 3:19there are different social groups
and different ethnic categories. -
3:20 - 3:24One of those ethnic categories
is a group known as Quechua, -
3:24 - 3:26who are indigenous people.
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3:26 - 3:29And people who are Quechua
speak Spanish a little bit differently -
3:29 - 3:31than your run-of-the-mill Spanish speaker.
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3:31 - 3:35In particular, there are some sounds
that sound a little bit more alike -
3:35 - 3:37when many Quechua speakers use them.
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3:38 - 3:41So a colleague and I designed a study
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3:41 - 3:46where we took a series
of very similar-sounding word pairs. -
3:46 - 3:47And they were similar-sounding
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3:47 - 3:53in exactly the the same sorts of ways
that Quechua speakers often sound similar -
3:53 - 3:55when they speak Spanish.
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3:55 - 3:59We played those similar-sounding
word pairs to a group of listeners. -
3:59 - 4:02And we told half of the listeners
that they were going to listen -
4:02 - 4:05to just your normal
run-of-the-mill Spanish speaker -
4:05 - 4:06and the other half of the listeners
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4:06 - 4:09that they were going to hear
a Quechua speaker. -
4:09 - 4:11Everybody heard the same recording.
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4:11 - 4:12But what we found was
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4:12 - 4:14that people who thought
they were listening -
4:14 - 4:16to a run-of-the-mill Spanish speaker
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4:16 - 4:19made clear differences
between the word pairs. -
4:19 - 4:22And people who thought they
were listening to a Quechua speaker -
4:22 - 4:25really didn't seem
to make clear differences. -
4:25 - 4:29So if a visual would help,
here are the results of our study. -
4:29 - 4:32What you see here in the top line
is a little bit of an arch. -
4:32 - 4:34That's what you would expect
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4:34 - 4:37from people making clear differences
between the word pairs -
4:37 - 4:40and for people who thought
they were listening to a Spanish speaker. -
4:41 - 4:44What you see on the bottom
is little bit more of a flat line. -
4:44 - 4:45And that's what we expect to see
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4:45 - 4:47when people are not making
clear differences, -
4:47 - 4:51and that came from the group that thought
they were listening to a Quechua speaker. -
4:51 - 4:54Now, since nothing
about the recording changed, -
4:54 - 4:58that means that it was the social
categories that we gave the listeners -
4:58 - 5:01that changed the way
that they perceived the language. -
5:01 - 5:05This isn't just some funny thing
that only happens in Bolivia. -
5:05 - 5:08Research has been carried out
in the United States, in Canada, -
5:08 - 5:10in New Zealand,
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5:10 - 5:12showing exactly the same thing.
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5:12 - 5:16We incorporate social categories
into our understanding of language. -
5:16 - 5:20There have even been studies
carried out with American college students -
5:20 - 5:23who listened to a university lecture.
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5:23 - 5:27Half of the students were shown a picture
of a Caucasian face as the instructor; -
5:28 - 5:32half of the students were shown a picture
of an Asian face as the instructor. -
5:33 - 5:35And students who saw the Asian face
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5:35 - 5:40reported that the lecture was less clear
and harder to understand -
5:40 - 5:44even though everybody listened
to the same recording. -
5:45 - 5:46(Whispering) Yeah.
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5:46 - 5:51So social categories really influence
the way that we understand language. -
5:51 - 5:54And this is an issue
that became especially personal to me -
5:54 - 5:56when my children started school.
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5:57 - 5:59My children are Latino.
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5:59 - 6:00And we speak Spanish at home,
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6:00 - 6:04but they speak mostly English
with their friends, out in the world, -
6:04 - 6:05with their grandparents.
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6:05 - 6:08When they started school,
I was told that the district requires -
6:08 - 6:13that any household that has a member
who speaks a language other than English, -
6:13 - 6:14that children have to be tested
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6:14 - 6:18to see if they need
English as a second language services. -
6:18 - 6:22And I was like, "Yes!
My kids are going to ace this test." -
6:24 - 6:26But that's not what happened.
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6:26 - 6:31So you can see behind me the results
from my daughter's ESL placement exam. -
6:31 - 6:34She got a perfect five out of five
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6:34 - 6:38for comprehension:
for reading and listening. -
6:38 - 6:44But she only got three out of five
for speaking and writing. -
6:44 - 6:45And I was like,
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6:45 - 6:48"This is really weird because this kid
talks my ear off all the time." -
6:48 - 6:50(Laughter)
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6:50 - 6:55But I figured it's just one test
on one day, and it's not a big deal. -
6:55 - 6:58Until several years later,
my son started school. -
6:58 - 7:02And my son also scored
as a non-native speaker of English -
7:02 - 7:03on the exam.
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7:05 - 7:09And I was like, "This is really weird,
and it doesn't seem like a coincidence." -
7:09 - 7:12So I sent a note in to the teacher,
and she was very kind. -
7:12 - 7:17She sent me a long message explaining
why he had been placed in this way. -
7:17 - 7:20Some of the things that she said
really caught my attention. -
7:21 - 7:24For one thing, she said
that even a native speaker of English -
7:24 - 7:28might not score
at advanced level on this test, -
7:28 - 7:30depending on what kinds
of resource and enrichment -
7:30 - 7:32they were getting at home.
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7:33 - 7:34Now, this tells me
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7:34 - 7:39that the test wasn't doing a great job
of measuring English proficiency. -
7:39 - 7:40But it may have been measuring
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7:40 - 7:43something like how much resources
kids are exposed to at home. -
7:43 - 7:48In which case, those kids
need different types of support at school. -
7:48 - 7:50They really don't need
English language assistance. -
7:52 - 7:56Another thing that she mentioned
caught my attention as a linguist. -
7:56 - 7:59She said that she had asked my son
to repeat the sentence, -
7:59 - 8:02"Who has Jane's pencil?"
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8:03 - 8:06And he repeated, "Who has Jane pencil?"
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8:07 - 8:09She said this is a typical error
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8:09 - 8:12made by a non-native
English-speaking student -
8:12 - 8:17whose native language does not contain
a similar structure for possessives. -
8:18 - 8:22The reason this caught
my attention is because I know -
8:22 - 8:26that there is a systematic
rule-governed variety of English -
8:26 - 8:30in which this possessive construction
is completely grammatical. -
8:31 - 8:35That variety is known to linguists
as African American English. -
8:36 - 8:39And African American English
is actually a group of dialects -
8:39 - 8:41that's spoken across the United States,
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8:41 - 8:43mostly in African American communities.
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8:44 - 8:45But it just so happens
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8:45 - 8:49that my son's school
is about 60% African American. -
8:49 - 8:52And we know that at this age,
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8:52 - 8:54children are picking things up
from their friends, -
8:54 - 8:56they're experimenting with language,
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8:56 - 8:58they are using it in different contexts.
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8:59 - 9:03I think when the teacher saw my son,
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9:03 - 9:08she didn't see a child who she expected
to speak African American English. -
9:09 - 9:10And so instead of evaluating him
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9:10 - 9:15as a child who was natively acquiring
multiple dialects of English, -
9:15 - 9:20she evaluated him as a child
whose standard English was deficient. -
9:23 - 9:27Language and social categories
are intricately connected, -
9:27 - 9:31and we bring so much baggage
to the way that we understand language. -
9:32 - 9:36When you ask me a question like,
"Who counts as a speaker of a language?" -
9:36 - 9:39I don't really have
a simple answer to that question. -
9:39 - 9:43But what I can tell you
is that people are pattern-seekers. -
9:43 - 9:46And we are always looking for ways
to connect the dots -
9:46 - 9:49between different types of information.
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9:50 - 9:52This can be a problem
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9:52 - 9:56when our underlying biases
are projected onto language. -
9:57 - 10:00When I look at children like my own -
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10:00 - 10:05and I see them in the gentlest
and the most well-meaning of ways - -
10:05 - 10:09being racially profiled
as non-native speakers of English, -
10:11 - 10:12it makes me wonder
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10:12 - 10:17what's going to happen as they move
from elementary school on to high school -
10:17 - 10:20and college and on to their first jobs.
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10:20 - 10:22When they walk into an interview,
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10:22 - 10:26will the person sitting
across the table from them -
10:26 - 10:29look at their color or their last name
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10:29 - 10:32and hear them as speaking
with a Spanish accent -
10:32 - 10:34or just as speaking bad English?
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10:35 - 10:38These are the kinds of judgements
that can have long-reaching effects -
10:38 - 10:40on people's lives.
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10:42 - 10:45So I hope that that person, just like you,
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10:45 - 10:47will have reflected
on the naturalized links -
10:47 - 10:50between language and social categories
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10:50 - 10:52and will have questioned their assumptions
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10:52 - 10:56about what it really means
to be a speaker of a language. -
10:57 - 10:58Thank you.
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10:58 - 11:00(Applause)
- Title:
- Who counts as a speaker of a language? | Anna Babel | TEDxOhioStateUniversity
- Speaker:
- Anna Babel
- Description:
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Have you ever thought about what it means to speak a language? As it turns out, the answer to this question is complex and deeply intertwined with the question of who we are - and how we are seen - as human beings.
Anna Babel studies the complex relationship between language and social categories. She is particularly interested in language contact, the politics of minority languages, and migration.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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