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    First a look at cruelty of a more
    conventional kind. The underground wars
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    of teenage girls.
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    As Kieth Morrison reports, and maybe as
    some of you remember, nobody hits
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    but girls do get hurt.
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    (Rachel Simmons)
    What do girls do when they're angry with
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    each other.
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    (girl)
    We call each other names. You know uh,
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    spread gossip.
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    They'll turn away giggle when somebody
    passes, they point, laugh, whisper. I mean
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    girls, they know how to get under each
    others skin.
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    (male reporter)
    Here in what should be the last of their
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    happy little girls years, in the middle
    schools of America, is a dirty little
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    secret, that's finally getting exposed for
    what it is. A kind of hidden bullying, so
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    viscous that some of its innocent young
    victims will be scared for life.
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    We don't even have a language to talk
    about this.
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    (male reporter)
    This is female aggression. Bullying.
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    And it is, as author and ?scholar
    Rachel Simmons an epidemic among America's
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    ten to thirteen year old girls. And now
    after years of being ignored its getting
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    some notice. In New Hampshire, parents are
    suing a school because their daughters
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    were bullied there. At the exclusive
    Madeira School in Virginia,
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    they're investigating a blacklist compiled
    by seniors against younger girls.
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    In Canada, a sixteen year old was held
    criminally liable after the suicide a
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    bullied classmate.
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    The girls say well guys fight and it's
    over with. It's done. Then they're friends
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    again. Girls will hate each other forever.
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    (male reporter)
    It's just that this aggression is
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    virtually invisible.
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    They do it so that no one can see it. They
    do it beneath the radar of parents and
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    teachers so that they won't get caught.
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    Simmons believes that girl bullies,
    using relationships as a weapon inflict
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    far more damage than most of us would like
    to think. In fact, she says it's getting
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    worse. The evidence suggest that girl
    bullies now have a new tool to spread
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    their ugly rumors. The internet.
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    Your not there talking, what face to face
    so you could really say anything and you
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    just write whatever. And it can be really
    mean and then that person will print it
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    out let's say. And then show all their
    friends and it's accessed to like the
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    whole wide world.
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    (male reporter)
    Of course, since most of the girls who
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    engage in this sort of thing are just
    or twelve or so. We can assume the
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    internet gossip mill is at least
    relevantly innocent, isn't it?
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    What could be so harmful? What if you're a
    seventh grade girl, and somebody puts up
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    on a bulletin board that you perform
    obscene or lewd sexual acts with three or
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    four guys in the grade?
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    Wait a minute you mean eleven twelve year
    olds are sending messages...
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    Sure!
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    Explicit sexual messages.
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    Sure, sex offenders are doing that.
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    (male reporter)
    When Simmons was at Oxford studying about
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    this sort of thing, she went looking for
    research about girl bullying. She found
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    almost none, and yet she knew first hand
    this was important stuff.
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    When I was eight years old I was bullied
    by another girl.
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    (male reporter)
    It wasn't physical bullying, it seemed to
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    her much worse.
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    This particular person isolated me. She
    made people run away from me. She made
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    people not be my friend anymore, and it
    was the memory of that isolation and that
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    loneliness that stayed with me for most of
    my life.
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    (male reporter)
    And so for three years she traveled the
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    country, talking to girls. Her research
    became a book called Odd Girl Out.
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    A title and an expression full of
    meaning for many young girls.
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    Dateline watched as Rachel Simmons talked
    to groups of high school and middle school
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    girls.
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    What are some of the other ways that girls
    use body language to show that they're
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    angry?
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    The death stare. No honest to God like...
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    And you know...
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    So there it is, unspoken intimidation or
    the hurting technique, that is physical
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    exclusion. Listen to this high school
    senior.
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    Well I think one example is when they
    don't want someone in a conversation,
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    or they don't want someone at their lunch
    table they physically move. That girl will
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    have room and they'll push them out like
    this so that girl knows physically
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    she's not in there so there's no way her
    voice is going to be heard in that
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    conversation.
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    Talk to Merriam and communicate to me
    that your talking about me.
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    [Whispering]
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    [laughing]
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    And its so obvious and they know that
    they're like hurting your feelings...
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    You can see the darting eyes and
    pointing fingers.
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    (male reporter)
    This high school girl talks about
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    something called shoulder bumping.
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    When they'll walk pass you and then like
    go like that so that they, they hit your
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    shoulder. I've seen, I saw that in the
    hallway the other day and one girl did
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    that to the other. The other didn't turn
    around and I was like wow that's pretty
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    cold.
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    It was at camp and we, I was friends with
    the girl. We've been to camp several times
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    so we're pretty good friends.
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    (male reporter)
    Another Rachel. Rachel Gutman, now twelve.
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    They were about ten, she says,
    when it happen.
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    We'd hang out together you know some
    places. While we were walking to
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    activities we'd talk.
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    (male reporter)
    Friends for life or so Rachel Gutman
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    thought until out of the blue something
    terrible.
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    When she was talking to other cabin
    friends and I'd go up and she'd um we're
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    busy right now I'm sorry I'll talk to you
    later. And it'd, it really hurt me because
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    I thought we were really good friends. I'd
    go to my cabin and I'd sit on my bed and I
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    would cry and ask why. Why did this
    happen? Why don't I have any friends?
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    What I found was, most girls were never
    informed why they were being ostracized.
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    But the pain of not knowing why someone
    has let go of you, cut you lose, and is
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    suddenly behaving as though you don't
    exist, is so devastating. To and to call
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    into question your hole notion of social
    relationships and notion of friendship.
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    There's a segment of the audience that
    will watch this story, who will say oh
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    please, psycho babble. This is just
    people, this is just people growing up.
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    Its tough.
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    I don't think kids who want to kill
    themselves because of what they
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    friends are doing constitutes as something
    that's part of growing up. I don't think
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    incredible depression at the age of
    thirteen or fourteen, having to be
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    medicated, uh should be part of growing
    up.
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    For me it, it was a lot of shame and
    embarrassment.
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    (male reporter)
    Then there're other girls, for whom
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    growing up is all about dealing with
    terrible guilt. Andrea Lee is twenty-three
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    now but remembers her journey from victim
    to bully like it was yesterday.
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    Identifying yourself as a bully can't be
    easy? Nobody likes to think of themselves
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    as a bully.
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    No, yeah it's pretty embarrassing.
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    (Male reporter)
    It all started because she was or felt
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    like about the only Korean American
    growing up in Eastern Tennessee, and
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    anybody, boy or girl would've found this
    awful.
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    I heard a lot of... a lot of like... you
    know like Asian jokes like slant eyes.
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    Things like that.
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    (male reporter)
    And kids, as everybody knows, don't like
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    to be different. Not in middle school.
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    I wanted to change everything that was
    Asian about me. I, I wanted to like be as
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    white as possible. I had permed hair. I, I
    wore a lot of makeup. I thought that, you
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    know if I was popular then, then it
    wouldn't matter that I was Asian.
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    (male reporter)
    Andrea says that she certainly didn't plan
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    to hurt anyone.
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    I had a best friend and we were very
    close.
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    (male reporter)
    But then her best friend wrote her a note,
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    which said something nasty about one of
    the most popular girls in the school. And
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    Andrea, desperate to score points with
    the in crowd, betrayed her friend.
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    I took the note and I gave it to a girl
    that I thought was popular, and I said
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    'look, this is what she thinks about you,'
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    thinking that, that that would somehow
    like gain this girls favor.
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    (male reporter)
    And what happened. Andrea's best friend
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    shunned by the in crowd.
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    But it happened to be your best friend. \
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    It was my best friend and I'm horribly
    ashamed about that. I can remember what
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    she looked like. I can remember how she
    was crying when I walked in that morning.
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    And I can remember sitting there saying I
    don't know how she got the note. I don't
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    know why they know this now.
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    And you denied.
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    I denied everything.
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    How did it feel to deny?
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    It was, it was scary. I felt out of
    control. I felt I didn't know what was
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    happening.
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    (male reporter)
    Of course her best friendship was over as
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    of that day and in the end that betrayal
    won her absolutely nothing.
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    You gave up you best friend.
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    Yeah.
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    In an effort to graduate to the popular
    group...
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    Sadly.
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    and it didn't work.
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    Of course not.
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    (male reporter)
    Andrea was so ashamed by what she'd done,
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    that she kept that betrayal a secret,
    until she agreed to come on television as
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    a warning to others.
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    It needs to be talked about so we can
    figure out how uh, how to engage girls
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    differently and try to stop it.
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    (male reporter)
    The question is how? Well for one thing
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    says Simmons, girls need to be taught
    more honest ways of expressing anger.
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    That they don't have to hide behind a
    phony screen of niceness.
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    I don't think that women are and girls
    enjoy an equal access to feeling their
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    anger, to expressing their anger.
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    (male reporter)
    Older girls can help, Simmons says.
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    Mentors, who have passed that difficult
    stage. The Erie Pennsylvania Ophelia
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    Project is working at that very thing. The
    project uses mentors, high school seniors
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    to teach younger ones to avoid being a
    victim, or a bully,
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    or caught in the middle.
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    (student)
    You have a choice. You can either stay a
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    nobody and hang out with Laura or you can
    come and hang out with me and my friends.
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    That's all they want is someone to
    listen and someone to understand.
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    (male reporter)
    And remember Rachel Gutman? She did
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    something about it too. Once she realized
    those friends didn't
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    have to be her whole life.
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    One day I went to the dining hall. This
    literally happened. I went in and I sat
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    table. A new table! I mean that's all I
    did. It was one step.
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    How are you?
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    (male reporter)
    And it worked! She has lots of friends
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    now, but the experience changed her.
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    I guard myself. I make sure that I still
    am friends with other girls.
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    (male reporter)
    And so we watched them grow up.
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    These innocents. From dolls to dating,
    but only sometimes a glimpse of what a
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    minefield growing up can be.
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    Research suggest this female aggression
    peeks in middle school and begins to ebb
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    as girls develop more maturity and
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    empathy. Rachel Simmons will be available
    tomorrow to answer your questions in an
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    online chat at our website
    Dateline.msnbc.com
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