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The art of dialogue with Oriane & Yoram
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So Oriane,
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Yes?
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I was thinking, shall we spend the evening
together, tonight? And cook together?
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Hum, I can't tonight, I'm meeting with
Clara and we'll go for a drink.
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Oh come on!
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Yesterday you went to play ping pong
and the other day with your parent
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and then you go to the cinema
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Well, it's a bit exagerated!
It's not exagerated!
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Just I find it really selfish of you that
you just don't care about the relationship
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Selfish? What do you want? What is your problem?
I care a lot about the relationship!
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Yeah, the only thing we are doing together
Oriane, is sleeping in the same bed,
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Great! What great relationship!
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I told you that this week will be busy for me,
what do you want?
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But there is always something
Why are you talking like this to me?
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Okay, you don't want me to speak like this.
I will not speak
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Well, what do you want Yoram? Can I have
something else than my boyfriend in my life?
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You want me like you want me to be like my
grandma all the time in the kitchen?
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I'm saying just that you're never available
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Yeah you see, you put pressure on me!
You don't listen!
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I'm not putting pressure, I'm just...
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I don't like it when you talk like this to me!
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Oh, for God sake
Yeah...
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So what is going on between people?
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Even people who love each other,
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They sometime hurt each other so much.
What is going on?
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You know when I was in school, I was taught
mathematics and geography and history
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And many other things that I never used in my life.
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And nobody was teaching me
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What I would clearly consider as the most
important life skill
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which is communication.
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That will serve you in whatever you do in your life.
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Do you know this phenomena,
for example that people fall in love
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Then they get married
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And then they need a lawyer in order to divorce
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What's going on between people?
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Or I read an article that says that the number one reason for people to quit their job
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Is human relationship
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Is conflict, with the boss or with
their colleagues
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What is going on between people?
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And I'm not even yet speaking about War
and Politics and stuff like that.
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What the f... is going on between people?
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So if communication and connection between people is so important
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What is the source of conflict?
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I work as a mediator and, in 99% of the cases
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when I go down the layers of conflict to see what is the cause
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I see one pattern
which is judgments.
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When I was introduced to
'Nonviolent Communication'
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I was curious how many of my thoughts are
coming in a judgmental language
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So I put myself a little booklet and I put it in
my pocket and I went into the world
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And each time I had a judgmental thought, you know:
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You're arrogant. She is selfish. I'm stupid.
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I was just writing it down
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After three days, my book was full.
But full, I mean in both sides of the paper.
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So learning nonviolent communication
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It became very clear to me that judgments
is a tragic description of reality
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Or in other words, it's a lie.
It's a human invention.
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It's a way to be honest that is not really describing what is really happening in reality?
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So what do I mean with judgment is a lie?
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Let's imagine that there is a book here and
you read the book and I read the book
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And you say "oh this book is really boring"
and I say "no this book is so interesting"
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What happened?
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Listen to the language that we speak
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You say "The book is boring" and I say
"The book is interesting"
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What happened to the book?
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The book enters into a kind of an existential
question. Am I boring? Am I interesting?
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I would say the book is not boring and the book is not interesting.
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The book is just a book.
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Judgment is a tragic description of a
certain experience that we are having
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and we are not very skilled to
describe this experience
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So it's relatively easy when we speak about books
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and it becomes more complicated when we are speaking about people
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So as Marshall Rosenberg said (the founder of 'Nonviolent Communication')
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every judgement is a tragic
expression of a beautiful need
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Each time somebody is judging you.
It actually has nothing to do with you
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It's an expression of a need that they have
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So what is it when I said to Oriane
for example,
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You are so selfish.
You don't care about the relationship!
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What was my need?
What was the experience in me
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that I was trying to describe?
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Well when I say you're selfish
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It is that
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That I just love her a lot
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It's funny you know, to say selfish that's a
weird way to say I love you
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And you can notice that when I say you're selfish
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That does not motivate her to spend
more time with me
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So, let's see. How Oriane would react
if I share my need with her
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So Oriane?
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I realize that I really miss you, actually.
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I really would love to spend time together.
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I wonder would you enjoy maybe tomorrow
morning, to take some time together?
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Yeah, yeah awesome
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Yeah. Yeah tomorrow morning works
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Cool!
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But it's not always that simple
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And what if she would say no?
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So Oriane, I was thinking shall we take time
tomorrow morning then?
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No morning is really really bad timing for me
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So when Oriane is saying no,
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it just mean that there
is another need that is wanting to be included
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So let's guess what this need could be?
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You want to make sure that you take
care of your running?
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Yeah, definitely running or yoga,
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Morning for me is really the best moment
for my physical balance
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Yeah, so you really want to take care of your balance?
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Definitely, you know how I am when I'm not in balance.
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Yeah...
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So yeah, so she would like to care for her balance
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and believe me when her need for balance is
not being met. It's not fun to be with her...
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So let's continue the dialogue to see
how to include this need
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Yeah, so you really want to take care of
your balance?
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Yeah, definitely
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Do you have maybe an idea of
when would be a fun time for you?
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That we can spend time together?
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Well, actually tomorrow evening I'm available
and I would love to cook with you.
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Yeah?
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Perfect!
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So this super simple principle
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of moving the dialogue first
to meeting on the level of needs
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and only then come with creativity as to
how to care for everyone's needs
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can be used on all levels.
It can be used with couples,
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It can be used at work.
And also it can be used in politics
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Watch this video how I was supporting
a green organization
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to be in a negotiation with a Chinese Minister
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for example, I was working with a group of
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green organization and
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They were in a negotiation with the
Chinese Minister to stop fishing tuna fish
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Because in two years there will be
no more tuna fish in the ocean
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So they made research during one year,
they spend a lot of money
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to collect all the information of
how to convince the Chinese minister
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to stop fishing tuna fish
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and they came to the Chinese minister and
during two hours they gave him a lecture
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about how wrong it is to continue fishing tuna fish and
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At the end they told him:
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so dear Chinese Minister,
you should stop fishing tuna fish.
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And guess what the Chinese Minister say
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No, I don't want, no way!
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My guess also he was not even listening to them
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During two hours... It's more than what a minister likes to listen
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So I told them, okay, can I try to do this
negotiation in Nonviolent Communication?
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So I asked one of them to play the Chinese Minister.
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Then I told this Chinese Minister:
"Dear Chinese Minister,
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I have this research that is saying that in two years there will be no more tuna fish,
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So I'm really concerned for the ecological system
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Can you please, tell me your reasons, behind
continue fishing tuna fish?"
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And then the Chinese minister said:
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"Yes I have 15 million people working in
this industry"
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Then I said: "Thank you very much for giving me this information."
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I said: "well, so dear Chinese Minister,
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I hear that there are 15 million people
working in this industry.
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I really care for them
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And I'm really worried that in two years.
They will have no more jobs.
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So are you open to negotiate with me to see
how we can care for these 15 million people?
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And all the five greenpeacers they were oh my god...!
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So every judgment is a tragic
expression of a beautiful need.
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So let's do an exercise together to
experience it a little bit
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So Oriane will show a demonstration
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And I will invite you to press:
Pause
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Between each step in order to use
your own example from your own life
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So step one
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Think of a situation from your life
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when somebody did or said
something that you didn't like
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Well when Yoram said you are selfish
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[Pause to think of such a situation in your life]
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Step two
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Right all your judgmental thoughts about this
person and allow yourself to be uncensored
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My judgments uncensored...
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He's always judging me
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He's putting his frustration on me all the time.
Like I'm his garbage. Yeah
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[Pause to write down all your judgemental
thoughts about the person in your situation]
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Step 3
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Connect with the need behind each
judgment
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and use the need list that appears
at the end of Oriane's demonstration
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Yeah, he's always judging me. That's my judgment and
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Yeah, first of all, it's very painful
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Yeah, and also I realize I'm scared,
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I'm scared that we will get more and more
distance
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And I so want to be seen, you know, that
I very much care about our relationship
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And you know, I have, I have other needs,
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and I even need support, to take care of
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of this balance between all those needs
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[Pause to look at the words on the following list and get a feeling of / connect to the NEEDS that are behind YOUR judgements]
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[One more thing ...]
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Judgments are all over the place
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I judge you and I judge myself all day long.
If you want to see where is the most violent
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War zone, is in people's head
how they speak with themselves all day long.
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For example, now, I'm making this video
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But all the time I'm thinking: "I'm such a bad
actor, it's such a crap what I'm doing
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I'm really a failure. It's worth nothing
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And behind this judgment, every judgment
is a tragic expression of a beautiful need,
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the need is that I so care...
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I so want to create something that is
meaningful to you to watch,
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something that you can learn from
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It's like I'm obsessed with my connection with you.
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I don't even know you and I'm
obsessed with you already!
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So this was a very short introduction to 'Nonviolent Communication'.
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if you want to learn more have a look at my website
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That will appear...
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now