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The Rise of Superstar Firms and the Fall of the Labor Share (David Autor, MIT)

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    - [David Autor] People see
    this phenomenon --
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    this falling share of income,
    rise of these super-competent firms --
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    as kind of one of the first horsemen
    of the Apocalypse,
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    the sign that we are entering
    an era where labor relevance
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    to the production side of the economy
    will become smaller and smaller
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    and eventually asymptote to zero.
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    Labor's share of national income
    has been falling, pretty steeply,
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    since around 2000.
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    It means that labor is getting
    a smaller share of the pie,
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    and the pie isn't growing
    very rapidly at present.
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    And that is a potential problem
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    because it's not that that money
    then goes away --
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    it goes to owners of capital --
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    but ownership of capital investment
    is far, far more concentrated
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    than ownership of labor.
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    We'd like to know why it's happening
    and how far it's going to go.
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    So there are three prominent theories
    about why labor's share is falling.
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    One theory is that you just have a lot
    of technology substituting for labor.
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    So, everywhere you look,
    machines are doing things
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    that people used to do.
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    In fact, that would be
    the kind of simple
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    capital labor substitution story.
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    A second story would have to do
    with failure of competition,
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    that firms are getting
    market power --
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    meaning they don't have
    very robust competition.
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    That allows them to raise prices,
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    and the profits may not
    be paid to workers
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    but they'll be paid to owners.
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    A third story is that the nature
    of competition is changing
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    in a way that is favoring
    more productive firms.
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    There is this idea out there --
    superstar firms,
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    these firms that are
    highly productive, highly capable,
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    that's causing the economic activity
    to reallocate from smaller,
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    less productive firms
    to larger, more productive firms,
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    many of which historically
    are more capital intensive
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    and have lower labor share.
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    Some superstar firms in the US? --
    Well, maybe you would say Amazon,
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    Walmart, Apple.
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    If you think about
    the rise of Walmart --
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    Walmart was a platform competitor.
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    It didn't just have nice stores --
    In fact they're not that nice --
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    What it had was supply chains
    that ran all the way into China.
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    It had the world's most sophisticated
    distribution system.
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    It had incredible
    inventory tracking.
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    You could argue that Walmart
    had no close competitors
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    until Amazon arose.
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    And notice Amazon
    didn't imitate Walmart's platform,
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    it created another platform
    to compete with it.
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    So, many of these superstar firms --
    they have some platform
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    that allows them
    to ward off competition
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    and produce differently,
    in a specialized way.
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    So those are three classes
    of explanations, so just to be clear:
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    One, technology everywhere.
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    Two, failure of competition.
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    And then third is
    this superstar form of competition
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    which is not, per se, a failure.
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    In fact, it could even reflect
    better competition of sorts.
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    So, which one is true?
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    I don't think the evidence
    for that is as strong.
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    Definitely we see examples
    of firms adopting technologies
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    and reducing labor input.
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    We see that in manufacturing.
    We see that with robotics.
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    It's a real phenomenon.
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    It's not clear that's happening
    everywhere else.
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    Automation is having big effects
    on labor, let me be clear,
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    but they may not be in terms
    of reducing labor's share
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    of national income.
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    It may be affecting the type
    of jobs that are being offered.
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    It's absolutely the case that
    we also have failures of competition.
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    Not, per se, in Walmart --
    I think that's fine --
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    but US airlines,
    US mobile phone carriers,
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    US cable operators --
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    bad antitrust policy
    allowing market concentration
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    that causes those firms
    to charge prices
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    that are too high
    in excess of costs,
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    and that will typically
    cause labor share to fall.
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    If regulatory failure is the cause
    of labor's falling share,
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    you would expect that to vary
    across countries a great deal,
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    because countries have
    different regulatory bodies.
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    The fact that this has occurred
    so pervasively
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    makes many people suspect
    it can't just be regulation.
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    The third hypothesis,
    the superstar hypothesis,
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    there's also evidence for,
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    and we know that the rise
    of some of these superstar firms
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    has coincided with a fall
    in labor's share of national income.
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    And what we see is
    a reallocation of economic activity
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    from smaller firms
    with larger labor shares
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    to larger, more productive firms
    that have lower labor share.
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    And what's interesting is
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    we don't see a reallocation
    of employment.
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    It's not that all the workers
    are going to work for the big firms,
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    it's that those big firms
    are able to supply more customers.
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    They call it "scale without mass" --
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    firms that have tons of market share,
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    tons of revenue,
    and very few employees.
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    So I think all three hypotheses
    are worth your entertaining,
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    and if anyone tells you
    only one is correct,
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    they're kind of
    overstating their case.
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    The assumption is hey,
    you're born with some capacities,
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    with some basic physical skills,
    cognitive skills.
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    You invest in those capacities
    through school.
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    You build human capital.
    You build expertise.
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    And then you leave school
    and you sell that capacity,
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    that expertise, to the market
    for 30, 35 years,
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    and then you retire.
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    If we entered a period
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    where labor's share
    of national income was very low --
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    meaning labor
    was no longer scarce --
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    we would still have lots of wealth.
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    But we wouldn't have
    a very good means of distributing it.
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    We wouldn't know
    who had what claims on it.
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    And that's not
    a very attractive vision
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    of a market economy.
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    I'm optimistic that the future of work
    will involve lots of work,
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    that we will not
    be running out of jobs.
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    We have -- despite 200 years
    of incredibly rapid automation
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    we have not
    made ourselves irrelevant.
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    We've just changed
    the type of work we do.
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    I have enormous faith
    in human creativity.
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    We always find
    more interesting things to do
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    with our time,
    and the tools that we create
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    create possibilities
    that we don't foresee.
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    So there will be a world
    of interesting work to do.
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    The challenge we face
    is making sure
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    people have the skills
    and qualifications
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    to be able to do that good work.
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Title:
The Rise of Superstar Firms and the Fall of the Labor Share (David Autor, MIT)
Description:

The “labor share” of GDP has fallen since 2000. Is this another sign that the robots are going to rule our economy? David Autor, an economics professor at MIT, explains the differing explanations for why this is happening.

The “labor share” of GDP means the share going to wages, salaries and benefits—as opposed to going to capital (stockholders, business owners, etc.). That money hasn’t gone away, but it has been concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people.

Why is this happening? Is it because of robots taking work from humans? A lack of competition? Or something else? David Autor explains the answers he discovered in his 2019 study on labor share and superstar firms.

This video is based on the paper:
The Fall of the Labor Share and the Rise of Superstar Firms by David Autor, David Dorn, Lawrence F. Katz, Christina Patterson, and John Van Reenen. https://economics.mit.edu/files/12979

More of David Autor’s work: https://economics.mit.edu/faculty/dauto

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Video Language:
English
Team:
Marginal Revolution University
Project:
Economists in the Wild
Duration:
06:47

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