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Can the damaged brain repair itself?

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    I'm very pleased to be here today
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    to talk to you all about how we might repair
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    the damaged brain,
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    and I'm particularly excited by this field,
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    because as a neurologist myself,
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    I believe that this offers one of the great ways
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    that we might be able to offer hope
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    for patients who today live with devastating
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    and yet untreatable diseases of the brain.
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    So here's the problem.
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    You can see here the picture of somebody's brain
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    with Alzheimer's disease
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    next to a healthy brain,
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    and what's obvious is, in the Alzheimer's brain,
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    ringed red, there's obvious
    damage, atrophy, scarring.
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    And I could show you equivalent pictures
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    from other disease: multiple sclerosis,
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    motor neuron disease, Parkinson's disease,
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    even Huntington's disease,
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    and they would all tell a similar story.
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    And collectively these brain disorders represent
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    one of the major public health threats of our time.
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    And the numbers here are really rather staggering.
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    At any one time, there are 35 million people today
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    living with one of these brain diseases,
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    and the annual cost globally
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    is 700 billion dollars.
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    I mean, just think about that.
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    That's greater than one percent
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    of the global GDP.
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    And it gets worse,
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    because all these numbers are rising
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    because these are by and large
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    age-related diseases, and we're living longer.
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    So the question we really need to ask ourselves is,
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    why, given the devastating impact of these diseases
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    to the individual,
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    never mind the scale of the societal problem,
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    why are there no effective treatments?
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    Now in order to consider this,
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    I first need to give you a crash course
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    in how the brain works.
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    So in other words, I need to tell you
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    everything I learned at medical school.
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    (Laughter)
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    But believe me, this isn't going to take very long.
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    Okay? (Laughter)
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    So the brain is terribly simple:
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    it's made up of four cells,
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    and two of them are shown here.
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    There's the nerve cell,
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    and then there's the myelinating cell,
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    or the insulating cell.
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    It's called oligodendrocyte.
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    And when these four cells work together
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    in health and harmony,
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    they create an extraordinary
    symphony of electrical activity,
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    and it is this electrical activity
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    that underpins our ability to think, to emote,
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    to remember, to learn, move, feel, and so on.
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    But equally, each of these individual four cells
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    alone or together, can go rogue or die,
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    and when that happens, you get damage.
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    You get damaged wiring.
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    You get disrupted connections.
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    And that's evident here with the slower conduction.
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    But ultimately, this damage will manifest
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    as disease, clearly.
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    And if the starting dying nerve cell
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    is a motor nerve, for example,
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    you'll get motor neuron disease.
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    So I'd like to give you a real life illustration
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    of what happens with motor neuron disease.
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    So this is a patient of mine called John.
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    John I saw just last week in the clinic.
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    And I've asked John to tell us something about
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    what were his problems
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    that led to the initial diagnosis
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    of motor neuron disease.
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    John: It was diagnosed in October in 2011,
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    and the main problem was a breathing problem,
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    difficulty breathing.
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    Siddharthan Chandran: I don't know if you
    caught all of that, but what John was telling us
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    was that difficulty with breathing
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    led eventually to the diagnosis
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    of motor neuron disease.
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    So John's now 18 months
    further down in that journey,
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    and I've now asked him to tell us something about
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    his current predicament.
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    John: What I've got now is the breathing's got worse.
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    I've got weakness in my hands, my arms,
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    and my legs.
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    So basically I'm in a wheelchair most of the time.
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    SC: John's just told us he's in a wheelchair
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    most of the time.
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    So what these two clips show
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    is not just the devastating
    consequence of the disease,
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    but they also tell us something about
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    the shocking pace of the disease,
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    because in just 18 months, 18 months,
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    a fit, adult man has been rendered
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    wheelchair and respirator-dependent.
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    And let's face it, John could be anybody's father,
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    brother, or friend.
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    So that's what happens when the motor nerve dies.
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    But what happens when the myelin cell dies?
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    You get multiple sclerosis.
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    So the scan on your left
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    is an illustration of the brain,
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    and it's a map of the connections of the brain,
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    and superimposed upon which
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    are areas of damage.
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    We call them lesions of demyelination.
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    But they're damage, and they're white.
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    So I know what you're thinking here.
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    You're thinking, "My God, this bloke came up
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    and said he's going to talk about hope,
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    and all he's done is give a really rather bleak
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    and depressing tale."
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    I've told you these diseases are terrible.
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    They're devastating, numbers are rising,
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    the costs are ridiculous, and worst of all,
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    we have no treatment. Where's the hope?
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    Well, you know what? I think there is hope.
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    And there's hope in this next section,
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    of this brain section of somebody else with M.S.,
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    because what it illustrates
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    is amazingly the brain can repair itself.
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    It just doesn't do it well enough.
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    And so again, there are two
    things I want to show you.
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    First of all is the damage of this patient with M.S.
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    And again, it's another one of these white masses.
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    But crucially, the area that's ringed red
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    highlights an area that is pale blue.
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    But that area that is pale blue was once white.
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    So it was damaged. It's now repaired.
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    Just to be clear:
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    it's not because of doctors, it's in spite of doctors,
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    not because of doctors.
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    This is spontaneous repair.
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    It's amazing and it's occurred
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    because there are stem cells in the brain, even,
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    which can enable new myelin, new insulation,
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    to be laid down over the damaged nerves.
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    And this observation is important for two reasons.
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    The first is it challenges one of the orthodoxies
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    that we learnt at medical school,
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    or at least I did, admittedly last century,
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    which is that the brain doesn't repair itself,
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    unlike, say, the bone, or the liver.
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    But actually it does, but it
    just doesn't do it well enough.
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    And the second thing it does,
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    and it gives us a very clear direction of travel
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    for new therapies.
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    I mean, you don't need to be a rocket scientist
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    to know what to do here.
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    You simply need to find ways of promoting
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    the endogenous, spontaneous
    repair that occurs anyway.
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    So the question is, why, if we've known that
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    for some time, as we have,
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    why do we not have those treatments?
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    And that in part reflects the complexity
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    of drug development.
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    Now, drug development you might think of
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    as a rather expensive but risky bet,
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    and the odds of this bet are roughly this:
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    they're ten thousand to one against
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    because you need to screen
    about ten thousand compounds
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    to find that one potential winner.
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    And then you need to spend 15 years
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    and spend over a billion dollars,
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    and even then, you may not have a winner.
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    So the question for us is,
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    can you change the rules of the game
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    and can you shorten the odds?
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    And in order to do that, you have to think,
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    where is the bottleneck in this drug discovery?
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    And one of the bottlenecks is early in drug discovery.
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    All that screening occurs in animal models.
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    But we know that the proper study of mankind
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    is man, to borrow from Alexander Pope.
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    So the question is, can we study these diseases
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    using human material?
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    And of course, absolutely we can.
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    We can use stem cells,
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    and specifically we can use human stem cells.
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    And human stem cells are these extraordinary
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    but simple cells that can do two things:
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    they can self-renew or make more of themselves,
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    but they can also become specialized
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    to make bone, liver, or, crucially, nerve cells,
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    maybe even the motor nerve cell
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    or the myelin cell.
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    And the challenge has long been,
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    can we harness the power,
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    the undoubted power of these stem cells
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    in order to realize their promise
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    for regenerative neurology?
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    And I think we can now, and the reason we can
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    is because there have been
    several major discoveries
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    in the last 10, 20 years.
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    One of them was here in Edinburgh,
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    and it must be the only celebrity sheep, Dolly.
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    So Dolly was made in Edinburgh,
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    and Dolly was an example
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    of the first cloning of a mammal
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    from an adult cell.
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    But I think the even more significant breakthrough
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    for the purposes of our discussion today
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    was made in 2006 by a Japanese scientist
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    called Yamanaka.
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    And what Yamaka did,
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    in a fantastic form of scientific cookery,
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    was he showed that four ingredients,
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    just four ingredients,
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    could effectively convert any cell, adult cell,
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    into a master stem cell.
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    And the significance of this is difficult to exaggerate,
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    because what it means that
    from anybody in this room,
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    but particularly patients,
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    you could now generate
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    a bespoke, personalized tissue repair kit.
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    Take a skin cell, make it a [??] protein cell,
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    so you could then make those cells
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    that are relevant to their disease,
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    both to study but potentially to treat.
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    Now the idea of that at medical school
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    —this is a recurring theme,
    isn't it, me at medical school—
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    would have been ridiculous,
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    but it's an absolute reality today.
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    And I see this as the cornerstone
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    of regeneration, repair, and hope.
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    And whilst we're on the theme of hope,
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    for those of you who might have failed at school,
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    there's hope for you as well,
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    because this is the school report of John Gerdon.
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    ["I believe he has ideas about becoming a scientist;
    on his present showing this is quite ridiculous."]
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    So they didn't think much of him then.
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    But what you may not know is that he got
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    the Nobel Prize for medicine just three months ago.
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    So to return to the original problem:
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    what is the opportunity of these stem cells,
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    of this disruptive technology
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    for repairing the damaged brain,
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    which we call regenerative neurology?
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    I think there are two ways you can think about this:
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    as a fantastic 21st century drug discovery tool,
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    and/or as a form of therapy.
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    So I want to tell you a little bit about both of those
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    in the next few moments.
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    Drug discovery in a dish is how people often
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    talk about this.
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    It's very simple: you take a patient with a disease,
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    let's say motor neuron disease,
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    you take a skin sample,
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    you do the pluripotent reprogramming,
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    as I've already told you,
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    and you generate live motor nerve cells.
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    That's straightforward, because that's what
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    pluripotent cells can do.
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    But crucially, you can then compare their behavior
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    to their equivalent but healthy counterparts,
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    ideally from an unaffected relative.
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    That way, you're matching for genetic varation.
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    And that's exactly what we did here.
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    This was a collaboration with colleagues
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    in London, Chris Shaw, and the USD, [NAMES?].
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    And what you're looking at, and this is amazing,
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    these are living, growing, motor nerve cells
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    from a patient with motor neuron disease.
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    It happens to be an inherited form.
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    I mean, just imagine that.
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    This would have been unimaginable 10 years ago.
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    So apart from seeing them
    grow and put out processes,
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    we can also engineer them so that they fluoresce,
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    but crucially, we can then
    track their individual health
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    and compare the diseases motor nerve cells
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    to the healthy ones.
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    And when you do all that and put it together,
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    you realize that the the diseased ones,
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    which is represented in the red line,
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    are two and a half times more likely to die
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    than the healthy counterpart.
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    And the crucial point about this is that you then have
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    a fantastic assay to discover drugs,
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    because what would you ask of the drugs,
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    and you could do this through a high-through put
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    automated screening system,
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    you'd ask the drugs, give me one thing:
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    find me a drug that will bring the red line
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    closer to the blue line,
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    because that drug will be a high value candidate
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    that you could probably take direct to human trial
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    and almost bypass that bottleneck
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    that I've told you about in drug discovery
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    with the animal models.
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    Does that make sense? It's fantastic.
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    But I want to come back
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    to how you might use stem cells directly
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    to repair damage.
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    And again there are two ways to think about this,
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    and they're not mutually exclusive.
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    The first, and I think in the long run
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    the one that will give us the biggest dividend,
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    but it's not thought of that way just yet,
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    is to think about the stem cells that are already
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    in your brain, and I've told you that.
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    All of us have stem cells in the brain,
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    even the diseased brain,
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    and surely the smart way forward
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    is to find ways that you can promote and activate
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    those stem cells in your brain already
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    to react and respond appropriately to damage
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    to repair it.
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    That will be the future.
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    There will be drugs that will do that.
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    But the other way is to effectively parachute in cells,
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    transplant them in,
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    to replace dying or lost cells, even in the brain.
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    And I want to tell you now an experiment,
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    it's a clinical trial that we did,
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    which recently completed,
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    which is with colleagues in UCL,
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    David Miller in particular.
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    So this study was very simple.
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    We took patients with multiple sclerosis
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    and asked a simple question:
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    would stem cells from the bone marrow
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    be protective of their nerves?
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    So what we did was we took these bone marrow,
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    grew up the stem cells in the lab,
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    and then injected them back into the vein.
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    I'm making this sound really simple.
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    It took five years and a lot of people, okay?
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    And it put grey hair on me
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    and caused all kinds of issues.
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    But conceptually, it's essentially simple.
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    So we've given them into the vein, right?
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    So in order to measure whether
    this was successful or not,
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    we measured the optic nerve
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    as our outcome measure.
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    And that's a good thing to measure in M.S.,
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    because patients with M.S. sadly suffer
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    with problems with vision,
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    loss of vision, unclear vision.
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    And so we measured the size of the optic nerve
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    using the scans with David Miller
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    three times, 12 months, six months,
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    and before the infusion,
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    and you can see the gently declining red line.
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    And that's telling you that
    the optic nerve is shrinking,
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    which makes sense, because their nerves are dying.
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    We then gave the stem cell infusion
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    and repeated the measurement twice,
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    three months and six months,
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    and to our surprise, almost,
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    the line's gone up.
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    That suggests that the intervention
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    has been protective.
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    I don't think myself that what's happened
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    is that those stem cells have made new myelin
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    or new nerves.
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    What I think they've done is they've promoted
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    the endogenous stem cells, or precursor cells,
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    to their job, wake up, lay down new myelin.
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    So this is a proof of concept.
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    I'm very excited about that.
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    So I just want to end with the theme I began on,
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    which was regeneration and hope.
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    So here I've asked John
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    what is hopes are for the future.
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    John: I would hope that
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    sometime in the future
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    through the research that you people are doing,
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    we can come up with a cure
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    so that people like me can lead a normal life.
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    SC: I mean, that speaks volumes.
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    But I'd like to close by first of all thanking John
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    —thank you, John—for allowing me to share
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    his insights and these clips with you all.
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    But I'd also like to add to John and to others
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    that my own view is, I'm hopeful for the future.
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    I do believe that the disruptive technologies
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    like stem cells that I've tried to explain to you
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    do offer very real hope.
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    And I do think that the day that we might be able
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    to repair the damaged brain
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    is sooner than we think.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Can the damaged brain repair itself?
Speaker:
Siddharthan Chandran
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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
15:57

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