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Question: Some of the
people that follow
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your ministry on the Internet,
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they get kind of frustrated
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with their own local pastor,
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and they have this desire
for their local pastor
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who's shepherding the same flock,
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he preaches in the
same pulpit every Sunday,
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he's going expositorily through a book,
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and they want their
pastor's pulpit ministry
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to look like your itinerant ministry
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with the passion and the
zeal that you preach,
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and they want their pastor
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to basically be a copy of Paul Washer.
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What advice would you give a young man
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that's feeling that way?
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Paul: They know not what they ask for.
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Listen, sometimes I'll
walk out of a church
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or I'm standing there with the pastor
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and shaking people's hands
and they're walking by -
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I have heard people come up to me
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and say, "I've never
heard anything like that.
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That was more truth than
I've heard in five years.
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And man, I wish we could hear
preaching like that in this church."
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And that's just the devil.
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That is so wicked to say that to that man.
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Or, they'll say, "we've never
heard these truths before."
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Well, just let me share with you
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something from when
I was a pastor in Peru.
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When I was a pastor,
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I learned that men did not learn things
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because they heard it once.
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If I was going to teach on a
certain doctrine or certain thing,
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I would teach on it for months at a time.
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And when I would finish teaching on it,
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exhausting everything that I know,
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I would teach on it,
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I would invite godly Peruvian pastors
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and godly missionaries
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who I felt would be a great
blessing to the church -
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I would have them come and
teach on the same subject.
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And when the members would be walking
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out of my church
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and we'd be shaking their hands,
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they'd look at that missionary and say,
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"We've never heard anything
like that before in our life."
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And that just goes to show you,
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that's part of the itinerant ministry.
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What I like to do in most
churches that I go to honestly,
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when I go in,
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I'm preaching almost the exact same thing
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most of their preachers are preaching.
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Now maybe in a different way,
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but it more confirms their
ministry than anything else.
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Another thing.
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I was asked to preach for about 3 months
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in a little tiny church
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last year in Alabama.
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And oh, I loved it. I loved it.
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I kind of was their interim
pastor for 3 months.
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And a bunch of the young
guys who heard me preach,
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they came there.
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Well, after about two weeks,
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they went up to one of the
leaders in the church
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and they said, "I have a question.
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The leader said, "what?"
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And the leader happens to be
a very good friend of mine.
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They said, "Has Brother
Paul changed his ministry?
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Has he compromised?
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Is something going on in his life?"
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And the man said, "Why?"
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He goes, "Well, his
preaching is so different."
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You see, that's because he's gone
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from this itinerant preacher mode
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to pastor mode -
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to feeding sheep on a long term basis.
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But I want to warn the pastors,
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expository preaching -
preaching through a book -
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if it's boring, you're not doing it right.
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I mean, how can you preach
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through the book of
Ephesians without zeal?
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How can you do this without it
having an impact on people?
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So, I want to look at it from both sides
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because there are a lot
of pastors out there,
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they're not feeding their sheep.
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You know, here's the thing
I'd like to recommend.
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Several years ago - many years ago -
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Warren Wiersbe wrote a book,
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"Walking With the Giants."
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And in there, he's got all these
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short one page,
page-and-a-half testimonies
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of men and women of God
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that have been used down through the ages.
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And you know, I kept that book
by my study for so long.
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You want to know why?
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Pastor, listen to me.
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When I would get where
I didn't want to pray -
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I just wasn't motivated to pray -
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I'd open up that "Walking With the Giants"
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and I'd read about, I don't know,
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Praying Hyde of India
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or David Brainerd or something,
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and it would jar me to want to pray.
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Or, I'd sit there and it was Monday
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and I wasn't ready to
take up the next sermon
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for next week and I was
just kind of lethargic,
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I would open up that book
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and I'd read about Alexander MacLaren
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who would spend sixty hours on one sermon.
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And it would motivate me
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to get back in that study.
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A lot of people are saying
this because they're wrong,
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but in a lot of ways
people are saying this
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because it's right.
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Pastors are not staying in
the study long enough
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to come out and give their
people a word from God.
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Question: There seems to be
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a mentality today
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that if you as a pastor
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are not invited to be one
of the main speakers
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or a keynote speaker
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at one of these big conferences
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where all the big names
are getting together,
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then you're almost nothing.
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What damage do you
think has been done today
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to the lack of appreciation and respect
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that should be given to the faithful,
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even though unpopular local pastor?
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Paul: We have grown up as a culture
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that honors heroes, celebrities,
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whether they're worthy or not,
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we've got to make them
heroes or celebrities
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because we just feel like we need them.
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One of the things that's terrifying me
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is there in reformed circles everywhere,
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there is this circle of celebrities.
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And in every big conference,
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it's going to be those men.
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Now, those men, I could name them,
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I'm not worthy to carry their sandals.
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They are honorable men.
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And it's not the men themselves,
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it's just that the reformed community
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and a lot of young people,
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they're looking to men now.
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And many times, they're looking over here
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to the person who writes the books
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and the person who
preaches in the conference,
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and they're not honoring the very man
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who feeds them, prays for them,
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intercedes for them,
visits them in the hospital.
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You see, what we need to realize is this.
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We just need to wait
till Jesus comes back.
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And when He does,
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we are going to be greatly surprised.
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Greatly surprised.
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You know, it's not tough to
preach in a conference.
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Well, sometimes it is when
everybody's mad at you,
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but it's not really tough to
preach in a conference.
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Why? You're asked to
come to this conference.
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Everybody wants to see you.
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That's not difficult.
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That doesn't demonstrate godliness.
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What demonstrates godliness is the man
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who ministers to God's people
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and is hidden and is not recognized.
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But when the Great Shepherd comes back,
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he will be recognized.