How I fell in love with a fish
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0:01 - 0:05So, I've known a lot of fish in my life.
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0:05 - 0:08I've loved only two.
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0:08 - 0:10That first one,
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0:10 - 0:13it was more like a passionate affair.
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0:13 - 0:15It was a beautiful fish:
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0:15 - 0:18flavorful, textured, meaty,
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0:18 - 0:20a bestseller on the menu.
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0:20 - 0:22What a fish.
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0:22 - 0:25(Laughter)
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0:25 - 0:27Even better,
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0:27 - 0:30it was farm-raised to the supposed highest standards
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0:30 - 0:33of sustainability.
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0:33 - 0:36So you could feel good about selling it.
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0:37 - 0:39I was in a relationship with this beauty
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0:39 - 0:41for several months.
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0:43 - 0:45One day, the head of the company called
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0:45 - 0:47and asked if I'd speak at an event
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0:47 - 0:49about the farm's sustainability.
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0:49 - 0:51"Absolutely," I said.
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0:51 - 0:54Here was a company trying to solve
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0:54 - 0:57what's become this unimaginable problem for us chefs:
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0:58 - 1:01How do we keep fish on our menus?
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1:02 - 1:05For the past 50 years,
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1:05 - 1:07we've been fishing the seas
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1:07 - 1:10like we clear-cut forests.
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1:10 - 1:13It's hard to overstate the destruction.
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1:15 - 1:18Ninety percent of large fish, the ones we love --
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1:18 - 1:21the tunas, the halibuts, the salmons, swordfish --
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1:21 - 1:23they've collapsed.
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1:23 - 1:26There's almost nothing left.
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1:26 - 1:29So, for better or for worse,
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1:29 - 1:32aquaculture, fish farming, is going to be a part of our future.
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1:32 - 1:34A lot of arguments against it:
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1:34 - 1:37Fish farms pollute -- most of them do anyway --
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1:37 - 1:39and they're inefficient. Take tuna,
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1:39 - 1:41a major drawback.
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1:41 - 1:43It's got a feed conversion ratio
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1:43 - 1:45of 15 to one.
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1:45 - 1:47That means it takes fifteen pounds of wild fish
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1:47 - 1:50to get you one pound of farm tuna.
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1:51 - 1:53Not very sustainable.
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1:53 - 1:56It doesn't taste very good either.
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1:56 - 1:58So here, finally,
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1:58 - 2:00was a company trying to do it right.
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2:00 - 2:02I wanted to support them.
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2:03 - 2:05The day before the event,
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2:05 - 2:08I called the head of P.R. for the company.
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2:08 - 2:11Let's call him Don.
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2:12 - 2:15"Don," I said, "just to get the facts straight, you guys are famous
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2:15 - 2:18for farming so far out to sea, you don't pollute."
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2:18 - 2:21"That's right," he said. "We're so far out,
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2:21 - 2:24the waste from our fish gets distributed,
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2:24 - 2:26not concentrated."
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2:26 - 2:28And then he added,
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2:28 - 2:31"We're basically a world unto ourselves.
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2:32 - 2:35That feed conversion ratio? 2.5 to one," he said.
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2:35 - 2:37"Best in the business."
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2:37 - 2:392.5 to one, great.
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2:39 - 2:41"2.5 what? What are you feeding?"
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2:41 - 2:44"Sustainable proteins," he said.
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2:44 - 2:47"Great," I said. Got off the phone.
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2:47 - 2:50And that night, I was lying in bed, and I thought:
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2:50 - 2:52What the hell is a sustainable protein?
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2:52 - 2:57(Laughter)
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2:57 - 2:59So the next day, just before the event, I called Don.
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2:59 - 3:03I said, "Don, what are some examples of sustainable proteins?"
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3:03 - 3:06He said he didn't know. He would ask around.
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3:06 - 3:08Well, I got on the phone with a few people in the company;
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3:08 - 3:11no one could give me a straight answer
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3:11 - 3:14until finally, I got on the phone
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3:14 - 3:16with the head biologist.
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3:16 - 3:18Let's call him Don too.
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3:18 - 3:22(Laughter)
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3:22 - 3:24"Don," I said,
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3:24 - 3:27"what are some examples of sustainable proteins?"
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3:27 - 3:29Well, he mentioned some algaes
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3:29 - 3:31and some fish meals,
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3:31 - 3:33and then he said chicken pellets.
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3:33 - 3:35I said, "Chicken pellets?"
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3:35 - 3:37He said, "Yeah, feathers, skin,
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3:37 - 3:39bone meal, scraps,
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3:39 - 3:42dried and processed into feed."
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3:42 - 3:44I said, "What percentage
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3:44 - 3:47of your feed is chicken?"
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3:47 - 3:50Thinking, you know, two percent.
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3:50 - 3:53"Well, it's about 30 percent," he said.
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3:53 - 3:56I said, "Don, what's sustainable
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3:56 - 3:58about feeding chicken to fish?"
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3:58 - 4:03(Laughter)
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4:03 - 4:06There was a long pause on the line,
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4:06 - 4:09and he said, "There's just too much chicken in the world."
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4:09 - 4:15(Laughter)
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4:15 - 4:17I fell out of love with this fish.
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4:17 - 4:19(Laughter)
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4:19 - 4:22No, not because I'm some self-righteous,
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4:22 - 4:24goody-two shoes foodie.
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4:24 - 4:26I actually am.
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4:26 - 4:28(Laughter)
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4:28 - 4:30No, I actually fell out of love with this fish because, I swear to God,
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4:30 - 4:33after that conversation, the fish tasted like chicken.
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4:33 - 4:43(Laughter)
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4:43 - 4:46This second fish,
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4:46 - 4:49it's a different kind of love story.
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4:49 - 4:52It's the romantic kind,
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4:52 - 4:55the kind where the more you get to know your fish,
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4:55 - 4:58you love the fish.
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4:58 - 5:00I first ate it at a restaurant
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5:00 - 5:02in southern Spain.
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5:02 - 5:05A journalist friend had been talking about this fish for a long time.
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5:05 - 5:07She kind of set us up.
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5:07 - 5:09(Laughter)
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5:09 - 5:11It came to the table
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5:11 - 5:14a bright, almost shimmering, white color.
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5:16 - 5:19The chef had overcooked it.
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5:19 - 5:22Like twice over.
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5:22 - 5:25Amazingly, it was still delicious.
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5:25 - 5:29Who can make a fish taste good
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5:29 - 5:31after it's been overcooked?
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5:31 - 5:33I can't,
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5:33 - 5:35but this guy can.
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5:35 - 5:37Let's call him Miguel --
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5:37 - 5:39actually his name is Miguel.
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5:39 - 5:42(Laughter)
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5:42 - 5:44And no, he didn't cook the fish, and he's not a chef,
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5:44 - 5:47at least in the way that you and I understand it.
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5:48 - 5:50He's a biologist
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5:50 - 5:52at Veta La Palma.
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5:52 - 5:55It's a fish farm in the southwestern corner of Spain.
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5:55 - 5:58It's at the tip of the Guadalquivir river.
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5:58 - 6:00Until the 1980s,
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6:00 - 6:03the farm was in the hands of the Argentinians.
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6:03 - 6:05They raised beef cattle
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6:05 - 6:08on what was essentially wetlands.
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6:08 - 6:10They did it by draining the land.
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6:10 - 6:13They built this intricate series of canals,
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6:13 - 6:16and they pushed water off the land and out into the river.
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6:17 - 6:19Well, they couldn't make it work,
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6:19 - 6:21not economically.
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6:21 - 6:24And ecologically, it was a disaster.
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6:24 - 6:26It killed like 90 percent of the birds,
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6:26 - 6:29which, for this place, is a lot of birds.
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6:29 - 6:31And so in 1982,
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6:31 - 6:33a Spanish company with an environmental conscience
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6:33 - 6:35purchased the land.
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6:35 - 6:37What did they do?
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6:37 - 6:39They reversed the flow of water.
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6:39 - 6:41They literally flipped the switch.
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6:41 - 6:43Instead of pushing water out,
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6:43 - 6:45they used the channels to pull water back in.
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6:45 - 6:47They flooded the canals.
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6:47 - 6:51They created a 27,000-acre fish farm --
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6:51 - 6:53bass, mullet,
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6:53 - 6:55shrimp, eel --
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6:56 - 6:59and in the process, Miguel and this company
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6:59 - 7:02completely reversed the ecological destruction.
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7:03 - 7:05The farm's incredible.
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7:05 - 7:08I mean, you've never seen anything like this.
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7:08 - 7:11You stare out at a horizon
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7:11 - 7:13that is a million miles away,
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7:13 - 7:15and all you see are flooded canals
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7:15 - 7:18and this thick, rich marshland.
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7:20 - 7:23I was there not long ago with Miguel.
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7:23 - 7:26He's an amazing guy,
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7:26 - 7:29like three parts Charles Darwin and one part Crocodile Dundee.
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7:29 - 7:31(Laughter)
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7:31 - 7:34Okay? There we are slogging through the wetlands,
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7:35 - 7:37and I'm panting and sweating, got mud up to my knees,
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7:37 - 7:40and Miguel's calmly conducting a biology lecture.
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7:41 - 7:43Here, he's pointing out a rare Black-shouldered Kite.
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7:44 - 7:47Now, he's mentioning the mineral needs of phytoplankton.
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7:48 - 7:51And here, here he sees a grouping pattern
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7:51 - 7:54that reminds him of the Tanzanian Giraffe.
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7:56 - 7:59It turns out, Miguel spent the better part of his career
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7:59 - 8:02in the Mikumi National Park in Africa.
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8:02 - 8:04I asked him how he became
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8:04 - 8:06such an expert on fish.
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8:06 - 8:09He said, "Fish? I didn't know anything about fish.
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8:09 - 8:12I'm an expert in relationships."
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8:12 - 8:14And then he's off, launching into more talk
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8:14 - 8:16about rare birds and algaes
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8:16 - 8:18and strange aquatic plants.
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8:18 - 8:21And don't get me wrong, that was really fascinating, you know,
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8:21 - 8:24the biotic community unplugged, kind of thing.
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8:24 - 8:27It's great, but I was in love.
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8:27 - 8:30And my head was swooning over that
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8:30 - 8:33overcooked piece of delicious fish I had the night before.
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8:33 - 8:35So I interrupted him. I said,
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8:35 - 8:37"Miguel, what makes your fish taste so good?"
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8:37 - 8:39He pointed at the algae.
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8:39 - 8:42"I know, dude, the algae, the phytoplankton,
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8:42 - 8:45the relationships: It's amazing.
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8:45 - 8:47But what are your fish eating?
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8:47 - 8:50What's the feed conversion ratio?"
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8:50 - 8:53Well, he goes on to tell me
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8:54 - 8:56it's such a rich system
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8:56 - 8:59that the fish are eating what they'd be eating in the wild.
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8:59 - 9:02The plant biomass, the phytoplankton,
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9:02 - 9:04the zooplankton, it's what feeds the fish.
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9:04 - 9:06The system is so healthy,
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9:06 - 9:08it's totally self-renewing.
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9:08 - 9:10There is no feed.
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9:11 - 9:14Ever heard of a farm that doesn't feed its animals?
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9:18 - 9:20Later that day, I was driving around this property with Miguel,
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9:20 - 9:24and I asked him, I said, "For a place that seems so natural,
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9:24 - 9:27unlike like any farm I'd ever been at,
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9:29 - 9:32how do you measure success?"
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9:32 - 9:35At that moment, it was as if
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9:35 - 9:37a film director called for a set change.
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9:37 - 9:39And we rounded the corner
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9:39 - 9:41and saw the most amazing sight:
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9:41 - 9:44thousands and thousands of pink flamingos,
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9:44 - 9:48a literal pink carpet for as far as you could see.
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9:48 - 9:50"That's success," he said.
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9:51 - 9:53"Look at their bellies, pink.
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9:53 - 9:55They're feasting."
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9:55 - 9:57Feasting? I was totally confused.
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9:57 - 9:59I said, "Miguel, aren't they feasting on your fish?"
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9:59 - 10:01(Laughter)
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10:01 - 10:03"Yes," he said.
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10:03 - 10:09(Laughter)
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10:09 - 10:11"We lose 20 percent of our fish
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10:11 - 10:14and fish eggs to birds.
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10:15 - 10:17Well, last year, this property
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10:17 - 10:19had 600,000 birds on it,
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10:19 - 10:21more than 250 different species.
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10:21 - 10:24It's become, today, the largest
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10:24 - 10:27and one of the most important
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10:27 - 10:31private bird sanctuaries in all of Europe."
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10:31 - 10:34I said, "Miguel, isn't a thriving bird population
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10:34 - 10:36like the last thing you want on a fish farm?"
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10:36 - 10:38(Laughter)
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10:38 - 10:40He shook his head, no.
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10:40 - 10:43He said, "We farm extensively,
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10:43 - 10:46not intensively.
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10:46 - 10:49This is an ecological network.
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10:49 - 10:51The flamingos eat the shrimp.
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10:51 - 10:53The shrimp eat the phytoplankton.
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10:53 - 10:55So the pinker the belly,
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10:55 - 10:58the better the system."
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10:58 - 11:00Okay, so let's review:
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11:00 - 11:03a farm that doesn't feed its animals,
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11:03 - 11:06and a farm that measures its success
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11:06 - 11:08on the health of its predators.
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11:08 - 11:11A fish farm, but also a bird sanctuary.
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11:11 - 11:13Oh, and by the way, those flamingos,
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11:13 - 11:15they shouldn't even be there in the first place.
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11:15 - 11:17They brood in a town
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11:17 - 11:19150 miles away,
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11:19 - 11:21where the soil conditions
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11:21 - 11:23are better for building nests.
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11:23 - 11:25Every morning, they fly
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11:25 - 11:27150 miles into the farm.
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11:29 - 11:32And every evening, they fly 150 miles back.
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11:32 - 11:37(Laughter)
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11:39 - 11:42They do that because they're able to follow
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11:42 - 11:44the broken white line
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11:44 - 11:46of highway A92.
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11:46 - 11:48(Laughter)
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11:48 - 11:50No kidding.
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11:50 - 11:53I was imagining a "March of the Penguins" thing,
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11:53 - 11:55so I looked at Miguel.
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11:55 - 11:57I said, "Miguel, do they fly
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11:57 - 11:59150 miles to the farm,
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11:59 - 12:01and then do they fly
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12:01 - 12:03150 miles back at night?
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12:03 - 12:06Do they do that for the children?"
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12:06 - 12:09He looked at me like I had just quoted a Whitney Houston song.
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12:09 - 12:13(Laughter)
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12:13 - 12:16He said, "No; they do it because the food's better."
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12:16 - 12:18(Laughter)
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12:18 - 12:22I didn't mention the skin of my beloved fish,
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12:26 - 12:28which was delicious -- and I don't like fish skin;
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12:28 - 12:31I don't like it seared, I don't like it crispy.
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12:31 - 12:34It's that acrid, tar-like flavor.
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12:35 - 12:37I almost never cook with it.
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12:38 - 12:41Yet, when I tasted it at that restaurant in southern Spain,
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12:41 - 12:44it tasted not at all like fish skin.
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12:44 - 12:47It tasted sweet and clean,
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12:47 - 12:50like you were taking a bite of the ocean.
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12:50 - 12:52I mentioned that to Miguel, and he nodded.
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12:52 - 12:54He said, "The skin acts like a sponge.
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12:54 - 12:57It's the last defense before anything enters the body.
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12:57 - 12:59It evolved to soak up impurities."
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12:59 - 13:01And then he added,
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13:01 - 13:04"But our water has no impurities."
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13:07 - 13:10OK. A farm that doesn't feed its fish,
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13:11 - 13:14a farm that measures its success
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13:14 - 13:16by the success of its predators.
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13:16 - 13:18And then I realized when he says,
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13:18 - 13:21"A farm that has no impurities,"
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13:21 - 13:23he made a big understatement,
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13:23 - 13:25because the water that flows through that farm
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13:25 - 13:28comes in from the Guadalquivir River.
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13:28 - 13:30It's a river that carries with it
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13:30 - 13:33all the things that rivers tend to carry these days:
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13:33 - 13:35chemical contaminants,
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13:35 - 13:37pesticide runoff.
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13:37 - 13:40And when it works its way through the system
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13:40 - 13:42and leaves,
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13:42 - 13:44the water is cleaner than when it entered.
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13:44 - 13:47The system is so healthy, it purifies the water.
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13:48 - 13:50So, not just a farm that doesn't feed its animals,
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13:50 - 13:53not just a farm that measures its success
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13:53 - 13:55by the health of its predators,
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13:55 - 13:58but a farm that's literally a water purification plant --
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14:01 - 14:04and not just for those fish,
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14:04 - 14:06but for you and me as well.
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14:06 - 14:09Because when that water leaves, it dumps out into the Atlantic.
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14:11 - 14:13A drop in the ocean, I know,
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14:13 - 14:16but I'll take it, and so should you,
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14:16 - 14:19because this love story,
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14:20 - 14:22however romantic,
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14:22 - 14:24is also instructive.
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14:24 - 14:26You might say it's a recipe
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14:26 - 14:28for the future of good food,
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14:28 - 14:31whether we're talking about bass or beef cattle.
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14:32 - 14:34What we need now is
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14:34 - 14:37a radically new conception of agriculture,
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14:37 - 14:39one in which the food actually tastes good.
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14:39 - 14:41(Laughter)
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14:41 - 14:47(Applause)
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14:47 - 14:49But for a lot people,
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14:49 - 14:52that's a bit too radical.
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14:52 - 14:54We're not realists, us foodies;
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14:54 - 14:56we're lovers.
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14:56 - 14:58We love farmers' markets,
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14:58 - 15:01we love small family farms,
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15:01 - 15:03we talk about local food,
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15:03 - 15:06we eat organic.
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15:06 - 15:08And when you suggest these are the things
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15:08 - 15:12that will ensure the future of good food,
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15:12 - 15:14someone, somewhere stands up and says,
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15:14 - 15:18"Hey guy, I love pink flamingos,
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15:18 - 15:21but how are you going to feed the world?"
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15:21 - 15:24How are you going to feed the world?
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15:24 - 15:26Can I be honest?
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15:26 - 15:29I don't love that question.
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15:29 - 15:31No, not because we already produce
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15:31 - 15:34enough calories to more than feed the world.
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15:34 - 15:37One billion people will go hungry today.
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15:37 - 15:40One billion -- that's more than ever before --
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15:41 - 15:44because of gross inequalities in distribution,
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15:44 - 15:46not tonnage.
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15:47 - 15:49Now, I don't love this question because it's determined the logic
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15:49 - 15:52of our food system for the last 50 years.
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15:52 - 15:55Feed grain to herbivores,
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15:55 - 15:57pesticides to monocultures, chemicals to soil,
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15:57 - 16:00chicken to fish,
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16:00 - 16:03and all along agribusiness
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16:03 - 16:05has simply asked,
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16:05 - 16:07"If we're feeding more people more cheaply,
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16:07 - 16:10how terrible could that be?"
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16:10 - 16:12That's been the motivation,
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16:12 - 16:14it's been the justification:
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16:14 - 16:17it's been the business plan
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16:17 - 16:19of American agriculture.
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16:19 - 16:21We should call it what it is:
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16:21 - 16:24a business in liquidation,
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16:24 - 16:27a business that's quickly eroding
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16:27 - 16:30ecological capital that makes that very production possible.
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16:30 - 16:32That's not a business,
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16:32 - 16:34and it isn't agriculture.
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16:34 - 16:37Our breadbasket is threatened today,
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16:37 - 16:39not because of diminishing supply,
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16:39 - 16:42but because of diminishing resources.
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16:42 - 16:45Not by the latest combine and tractor invention,
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16:45 - 16:47but by fertile land;
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16:47 - 16:50not by pumps, but by fresh water;
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16:50 - 16:53not by chainsaws, but by forests;
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16:53 - 16:56and not by fishing boats and nets, but by fish in the sea.
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16:56 - 16:58Want to feed the world?
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16:58 - 17:01Let's start by asking: How are we going to feed ourselves?
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17:02 - 17:05Or better: How can we create conditions
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17:05 - 17:08that enable every community
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17:08 - 17:10to feed itself?
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17:10 - 17:17(Applause)
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17:17 - 17:19To do that,
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17:19 - 17:22don't look at the agribusiness model for the future.
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17:22 - 17:24It's really old, and it's tired.
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17:24 - 17:28It's high on capital, chemistry and machines,
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17:28 - 17:31and it's never produced anything really good to eat.
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17:33 - 17:37Instead, let's look to the ecological model.
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17:37 - 17:40That's the one that relies on two billion years
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17:40 - 17:43of on-the-job experience.
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17:43 - 17:45Look to Miguel,
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17:45 - 17:47farmers like Miguel.
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17:47 - 17:50Farms that aren't worlds unto themselves;
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17:50 - 17:55farms that restore instead of deplete;
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17:55 - 17:57farms that farm extensively
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17:57 - 17:59instead of just intensively;
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17:59 - 18:02farmers that are not just producers,
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18:02 - 18:04but experts in relationships.
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18:04 - 18:06Because they're the ones
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18:06 - 18:09that are experts in flavor, too.
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18:09 - 18:11And if I'm going to be really honest,
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18:11 - 18:14they're a better chef than I'll ever be.
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18:14 - 18:17You know, I'm okay with that,
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18:17 - 18:20because if that's the future of good food, it's going to be delicious.
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18:20 - 18:22Thank you.
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18:22 - 18:39(Applause)
- Title:
- How I fell in love with a fish
- Speaker:
- Dan Barber
- Description:
-
Chef Dan Barber squares off with a dilemma facing many chefs today: how to keep fish on the menu. With impeccable research and deadpan humor, he chronicles his pursuit of a sustainable fish he could love, and the foodie's honeymoon he's enjoyed since discovering an outrageously delicious fish raised using a revolutionary farming method in Spain.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
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TED edited English subtitles for How I fell in love with a fish | |
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