Albert-László Barabási at TEDMED 2012
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Not SyncedSo, in many ways a broken car is not so different from a disease,
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Not Syncedwhen the engine is smoking and the lights don't come up.
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Not SyncedThere's a fundamental difference, however, between humans and cars.
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Not SyncedIf I can get my car to a mechanic, I can be pretty certain that they can fix it,
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Not Syncedwhich is much more than we can say about many of our diseases today.
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Not SyncedSo what can a mechanic, with much less education and much less bucks than a doctor,
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Not Syncedfix our car, while our doctors often let us go with diseases persisting in our body?
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Not SyncedWell, there are actually a number of things that a mechanic has that our doctor doesn't have right now.
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Not SyncedFirst of all, it's got a parts list.
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Not SyncedIt has a blueprint telling us how the pieces connect together.
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Not SyncedIt has diagnostics tools to figure out where the components, which is broken and which is healthy.
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Not SyncedIt has the means, essentially, to replace the parts.
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Not SyncedNow let's think about it. Which of these components are available to our doctor today?
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Not SyncedWell, the good news is that they've finally got the parts list.
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Not SyncedThat was the output of the human genome project.
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Not SyncedAnd when the human genome was actually mapped about ten years ago, we thought
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Not SyncedIt's going to be easy from now. From the parts, we will have essentially the world bonanza that we need to fix humans, us.
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Not SyncedBut of course reality sinks in. We also realize that these many pieces will eventually give us many drugs.
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Not SyncedIn 2001, or 2000, the year before the genome project was unveiled, the FDA approved about a hundred drugs a year.
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Not SyncedWe thought this number could only go up.
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Not SyncedIt could only just increase.
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Not SyncedYet the reality just sinks in.
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Not SyncedThe number of new drugs in just the last ten years, went from a hundred before the genome, to about twenty per year.
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Not SyncedIn hindsight, the reason is pretty clear.
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Not SyncedIt's not enough to have the parts list.
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Not SyncedWe also need to actually figure out how the pieces fit together.
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Not SyncedThat is, we should not look at this picture, but rather we should be looking at how the wiring diagram of the car should look like.
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Not SyncedHow the wiring of ourselves actually look like.
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Not SyncedHow the genes and the proteins and the metabolites link to each other, forming a conistent network.
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Not SyncedBecause this network, with I am going to try to tell you today, is really the key to understanding human diseases.
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Not SyncedNow, the problem is that if you look at this map, you soon realize that it looks completely random.
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Not SyncedRandomness certainly has the upper hand.
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Not SyncedBut down the line, it is not. I believe there is a deep order behind this wiring diagram.
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Not SyncedAnd understanding that order is the key to understand human diseases.
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Not SyncedNow, I am a physicist, and the conventional wisdom is that as a physicist, I should be studying very large objects:
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Not Syncedstars, quasars, or very tiny ones like the Higgs boson or quarks.
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Not SyncedYet about a decade ago, my interest has turned to a completely different subject: Complex systems and networks.
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Not SyncedAnd that's because our very existence depends on the successful functioning of systems and networks behind us.
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Not SyncedAnd I also believe the scientific challenges behind complex systems and networks are just as [???] as behind quarks or quasars.
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Not SyncedSo I started looking at the structure of th Internet.
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Not SyncedTelling us how many, many computers are linked together by various cables.
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Not SyncedI looked at the structure of the social network, telling us how do societies wire together through many friendship and other linkages.
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Not SyncedAnd eventually I started looking at the structure of the cell.
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Not SyncedTelling us you our genes and proteins link to each other into a coherent network.
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Not SyncedAnd through that path, I arrived at human diseases.
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Not SyncedA path that is rarely taken by physicists.
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Not SyncedNow, the fundamental question that really comes up from that is:
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Not SyncedHow do we think about diseases in the context of these of these very very complicated networks?
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Not SyncedAnd from that, let me turn to a map that we all understand, probably the most famous map out there, which is the map of Manhattan.
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Not SyncedNow, in many ways, Manhattan is structured different from a cell.
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Not SyncedBut let's for a moment carry with me and let's believe together that it's not a map of Manhattan but a map of a cell.
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Not SyncedWhere the intersections showing us nodes are the genes and the proteins.
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Not SyncedAnd the street segments that connect them corresponds to the interactions between them.
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Not SyncedNow, down the line, this is not so different from what happens in our cells.
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Not SyncedThe busy life of Manhattan very easily maps into the crowded life of the cell where molecules interact with each other,
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Not Syncedand recombine and transport and so on.
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Not SyncedSo there's lots of similarities on the surface between them.
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Not SyncedAnd if we look at Manhattan, we also realize that action is not uniformly spread within the cit.
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Not SyncedIf you want to go, for example, to the theater, you don't go to any parts of Manhattan, you would go to the theater district.
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Not SyncedBecause that's where most of the theaters are, that's where the shows are.
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Not SyncedYou want to buy an artwork. You will not actually be going anywhere in the city, but you would be going to the gallery district.
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Not SyncedBecause there is one small region in the town that has most of the high-end galleries, and that's where most of the artwork is for sale.
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Not SyncedThe same is true in the cell.
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Not SyncedIts functions are not spread uniformly within the network.
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Not SyncedBut there are other pockets within the network that are responsible for particular functions,
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Not Syncedand their breakdown potentially leads to disease.
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Not SyncedSo the way to think about disease in the context of the network is to think that
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Not Syncedthere are different regions that correspond to different diseases on this map.
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Not SyncedSo, for example, you could say that cancer stays somewhere around Wall Street
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Not Synced[AUDIENCE LAUGHTER]
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Not SyncedAnd bipolar disease would be somewhere around Times Square.
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Not Synced[AUDIENCE LAUGHTER]
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Not SyncedAnd you know asthma, a respiratory disease, it would be somewhere up near the Washington Bridge.
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Not SyncedWhere Washington brings the people and cars into New Jersey and The Bronx.
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Not Synced[AUDIENCE LAUGHTER]
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Not SyncedNow, under normal conditions
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Not SyncedManhattan is full of traffic.
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Not SyncedAnd that's how the cell looks like normally.
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Not SyncedBut if we had defects, some genes breaking down, that corresponds to some of the intersections now working, and
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Not Syncedsoon enough we would get a very typical Manhattan disease: A traffic jam.
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Not SyncedThis is not so different from what happens in our cells.
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Not SyncedBecause there are many different ways you can get the same phenotype.
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Not SyncedIn the same way, there are many different ways you can get a disease.
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Not SyncedFor example, there was a famous study by Burt [???]'s group which sequenced about 300 individuals who all had colo-rectal cancer.
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Not SyncedThey had the same phenotype.
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Not SyncedTherefore the expectation was that all of them would have probably the same mutations in the same genes.
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Not SyncedYet, the study showed that not only did they not have the same set of mutations, but the mutations were all in different genes.
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Not SyncedThere were no two individuals who would actually have the same genes exactly the same group of genes' defect.
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Not SyncedThe only way to understand how it's possible that many different genes broken down in different combinations linked to the same disease,
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Not Syncedis to think in terms of Manhattan.
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Not SyncedIf you think in terms of disease module and to really have the wiring diagram of the disease module,
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Not Syncedto understand the breakdown modes of the particular system.
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Not SyncedNow, if we really believe that particular picture, the next step for us is to say, how do we proceed from here?
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Not SyncedIt's very easy. Get the map, get the disease module, and drug it.
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Not SyncedNow of course, you do realize there's a catch here.
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Not SyncedAnd the catch of course is, unlike for Manhattan, we don't have yet a map for the cells.
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Not SyncedI mean, we do, but some of the maps we have are very incomplete.
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Not SyncedFor example, the best protein interaction that we have right now,
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Not Syncedwe believe it has only five percent of the links that are supposed to be in our cells.
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Not SyncedNow, having five percent of the links means that we are missing 95% of the links.
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Not SyncedAnd that has dramatic consequences on the system.
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Not SyncedLet me illustrate that on Manhattan.
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Not SyncedLet's go ahead and take 95% of street segments and remove it from the map, and let's see what does it do to Manhattan.
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Not SyncedAnd the consequences are obvious. The network is broken into tiny pieces.
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Not SyncedAnd as a result, the modules, the Wall Street neighborhood and the Times Square neighborhood
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Not Syncedthat were clearly distinguishable before would be all over the map.
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Not SyncedYou don't know any more where your disease module is.
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Not SyncedSo what can we do then?
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Not SyncedWell, first and foremost, we must improve on our maps.
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Not SyncedAnd that's what my colleague Mark [???] does at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute.
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Not Syncedwho in the last twenty years has developed an automatic series of tools to systematically map
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Not Syncedthe protein interactions within the cell, one of the very important components of the cellular network.
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Not SyncedAs a result of his work, a few years ago, we got what we call the 5% map, the one I referred to earlier.
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Not SyncedThis year, he's about to unveil another landmark: the 20% map of the human cell.
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Not SyncedAnd if we left him on the same track, actually he would do the full network.
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Not SyncedIt may take a decade or two to get to it, but eventually [???] we will get a map.
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Not SyncedBut what until then?
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Not SyncedShall we just wait for him to finish the work?
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Not SyncedAnd the answer is, well, not really.
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Not SyncedThere's lots of things we can actually do using the existing maps.
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Not SyncedThis is how the map looks like right now.
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Not SyncedThis is all the interactions we believe should be in the cell.
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Not SyncedAnd in order to understand where diseases lie in that, what I'm going to do next is
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Not SyncedI will go ahead and place on this map a particular disease, in this case asthma.
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Not SyncedAsthma is a respiratory disease that leads to coughing, shortness of breath, and many other symptoms, and
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Not Syncedthere has been tremendous amount of research on the [???] origins of asthma.
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Not SyncedTherefore, we about a hundred genes that are known to be associated with asthma.
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Not SyncedSo if we put them on the map, and I'm showing them now here as purple notes,
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Not Syncedthen we would expect them to be all together.
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Not SyncedBecause they really should correspond to our disease model.
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Not SyncedBut they're not. They're all over the map.
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Not SyncedAnd the reason they're all over the map is because we're missing 95% of the interactions.
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Not SyncedSo the missing links that would really hold them all together in one module are all gone, they are not there yet.
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Not SyncedSo what is it we can do next?
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Not SyncedWe can use the power of the network.
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Not SyncedThey are really built into the network and try to figure out other genes that may also be involved in asthma, about whom we don't know yet.
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Not SyncedAnd that's exactly what we do next.
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Not SyncedWe took this map and we run algorithm through that, which really extract the information from this map,
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Not Syncedand identify what you see in front of your eyes.
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Not SyncedThe asthma module within the cell.
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Not SyncedNow if we know the asthma module, from there we can understand the disease's mechanism, the disease's pathways,
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Not Syncedand one day can actually help us understand the drugs.
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Not SyncedBut this is not only true for asthma.
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Not SyncedNot only asthma is located well in the network.
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Not SyncedYou can take some other diseases, for example COPD, and try to do the same thing.
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Not SyncedCOPD is often called the smokers' disease,
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Not Syncedbecause smokers are at a very high chance of getting it,
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Not Syncedand has somewhat similar symptoms to asthma.
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Not SyncedNot surprisingly, it seems to be that the two modules are significantly overlapping,
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Not SyncedWe do expect to have however other diseases that would be in a completely different part of the network.
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Not SyncedAnd what is crucial here is to understand that the relationship between these two diseases,
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Not Syncedto what degree they overlap, and how they relate to each other is really crucial to understand
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Not Syncedhow they relate to each other.
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Not Syncedand whether they are similar or whether they are different from each other.
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Not SyncedSo one way to look at it is to let's look at the relationship of all diseases.
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Not SyncedAnd that's what I'm showing you here.
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Not SyncedHere in the next slide, every node corresponds to a particular disease,
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Not Syncedand two diseases are connected to each other if they share a gene.
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Not SyncedWhy would you do that? Because if they share a gene, then very likely their disease module overlaps,
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Not Syncedand therefore they must be in the same region of the network.
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Not SyncedAnd what is amazing about this map is that there are links between apparently unrelated diseases,
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Not Syncedwhich is telling us that if you really want to treat--if you have two diseases and want to treat them, today you may go to different doctors,
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Not Synceddifferent hospitals, different floors.
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Not SyncedBut down at the level of the cell, they are not independent of each other.
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Not SyncedThey're independent because they're rooted in somewhat the same neighborhood.
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Not SyncedSo what this is telling us, this "diseasedom" as I will call it, is that if we want to understand disease,
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Not Syncedwe should not be looking really at what we normally look at, but we should be looking at the network within our cells.
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Not SyncedThis is the one that really matters. This is the one that really tells us how to classify diseases.
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Not SyncedYou know, we probably got it fundamentally wrong.
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Not SyncedIt's not heart, it's not brains, it's not kidneys.
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Not SyncedSooner or later we must abandon this organ-based description of disease and turn to what really matter.
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Not SyncedWe should stop training cardiologists and neurologists, and rather the doctor of the future needs to become a bit of networkologist,
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Not Syncedto understand where diseases are lying within that network and how they relate to each other.
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Not SyncedSo I personally believe we need a new medicine, to truly execute the paradigm change that genomics allowed us to achieve.
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Not SyncedI would call it network medicine, and I think it's really within our footstep to go out and achieve that.
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Not SyncedI also think that network medicine will not only help us understand the mechanism of disease,
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Not Syncedbut it will affect all aspects of healthcare, from the role of the environment all the way to how we actually deliver care to a particular patient.
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Not SyncedSo, coming back to our original question, the good news is that doctors are increasing many of the tools that the car mechanic has today.
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Not SyncedIf you think about it, the genomics provides the parts list,
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Not Syncedmetabiomics and proteomics provide the diagnostic tools,
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Not Syncedand gene therapies really giving us the way one day to replace the components, with the pieces that are not broken.
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Not SyncedBut a car mechanic would be useless without a blueprint.
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Not SyncedAnd in the same way I believe that to truly understand diseases, we need to give into the hands of our doctors the map.
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Not SyncedNow I'm a physicist, and a network scientist. I am not a medical doctor.
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Not SyncedHence, I will never cure any of your diseases.
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Not SyncedI can help, however, decipher the map.
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Not SyncedThe real book of life, the book that is currently missing most of its pages.
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Not SyncedBut once we learn to read it, we'll get much closer to the secret of life and curing disease.
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Not SyncedThank you very much.
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Not Synced[APPLAUSE]
- Title:
- Albert-László Barabási at TEDMED 2012
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Networks guru and author Albert-László Barabási says diseases are the results of system breakdowns within the body, and mapping intracellular protein networks will help us discover cures.
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