Fighting with non-violence
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0:00 - 0:04In half a century of trying to help prevent wars,
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0:04 - 0:08there's one question that never leaves me:
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0:08 - 0:12How do we deal with extreme violence
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0:12 - 0:15without using force in return?
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0:15 - 0:18When you're faced with brutality,
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0:18 - 0:21whether it's a child facing a bully on a playground
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0:21 - 0:22or domestic violence --
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0:22 - 0:25or, on the streets of Syria today,
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0:25 - 0:28facing tanks and shrapnel,
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0:28 - 0:31what's the most effective thing to do?
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0:31 - 0:34Fight back? Give in?
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0:34 - 0:37Use more force?
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0:37 - 0:41This question: "How do I deal with a bully
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0:41 - 0:45without becoming a thug in return?"
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0:45 - 0:48has been with me ever since I was a child.
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0:48 - 0:50I remember I was about 13,
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0:50 - 0:55glued to a grainy black and white television in my parents' living room
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0:55 - 1:00as Soviet tanks rolled into Budapest,
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1:00 - 1:03and kids not much older than me
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1:03 - 1:05were throwing themselves at the tanks
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1:05 - 1:07and getting mown down.
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1:07 - 1:11And I rushed upstairs and started packing my suitcase.
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1:11 - 1:14And my mother came up and said, "What on Earth are you doing?"
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1:14 - 1:16And I said, "I'm going to Budapest."
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1:16 - 1:19And she said, "What on Earth for?"
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1:19 - 1:21And I said, "Kids are getting killed there.
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1:21 - 1:23There's something terrible happening."
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1:23 - 1:25And she said, "Don't be so silly."
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1:25 - 1:27And I started to cry.
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1:27 - 1:29And she got it, she said,
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1:29 - 1:31"Okay, I see it's serious.
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1:31 - 1:34You're much too young to help.
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1:34 - 1:37You need training. I'll help you.
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1:37 - 1:39But just unpack your suitcase."
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1:39 - 1:42And so I got some training
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1:42 - 1:46and went and worked in Africa during most of my 20s.
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1:46 - 1:50But I realized that what I really needed to know
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1:50 - 1:52I couldn't get from training courses.
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1:52 - 1:55I wanted to understand
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1:55 - 1:59how violence, how oppression, works.
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1:59 - 2:04And what I've discovered since is this:
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2:04 - 2:08Bullies use violence in three ways.
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2:08 - 2:13They use political violence to intimidate,
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2:13 - 2:19physical violence to terrorize
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2:19 - 2:26and mental or emotional violence to undermine.
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2:26 - 2:29And only very rarely in very few cases
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2:29 - 2:33does it work to use more violence.
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2:33 - 2:39Nelson Mandela went to jail believing in violence,
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2:39 - 2:41and 27 years later
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2:41 - 2:43he and his colleagues
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2:43 - 2:45had slowly and carefully
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2:45 - 2:50honed the skills, the incredible skills, that they needed
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2:50 - 2:54to turn one of the most vicious governments the world has known
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2:54 - 2:56into a democracy.
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2:56 - 3:01And they did it in a total devotion to non-violence.
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3:01 - 3:08They realized that using force against force
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3:08 - 3:13doesn't work.
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3:13 - 3:15So what does work?
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3:15 - 3:19Over time I've collected about a half-dozen methods
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3:19 - 3:21that do work -- of course there are many more --
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3:21 - 3:23that do work and that are effective.
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3:23 - 3:25And the first is
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3:25 - 3:27that the change that has to take place
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3:27 - 3:31has to take place here, inside me.
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3:31 - 3:36It's my response, my attitude, to oppression
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3:36 - 3:38that I've got control over,
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3:38 - 3:41and that I can do something about.
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3:41 - 3:45And what I need to develop is self-knowledge to do that.
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3:45 - 3:47That means I need to know how I tick,
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3:47 - 3:50when I collapse,
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3:50 - 3:54where my formidable points are,
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3:54 - 3:57where my weaker points are.
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3:57 - 3:58When do I give in?
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3:58 - 4:03What will I stand up for?
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4:03 - 4:08And meditation or self-inspection
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4:08 - 4:11is one of the ways -- again it's not the only one --
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4:11 - 4:12it's one of the ways
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4:12 - 4:16of gaining this kind of inner power.
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4:16 - 4:19And my heroine here -- like Satish's --
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4:19 - 4:22is Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma.
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4:22 - 4:25She was leading a group of students
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4:25 - 4:28on a protest in the streets of Rangoon.
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4:28 - 4:32They came around a corner faced with a row of machine guns.
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4:32 - 4:33And she realized straight away
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4:33 - 4:37that the soldiers with their fingers shaking on the triggers
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4:37 - 4:43were more scared than the student protesters behind her.
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4:43 - 4:45But she told the students to sit down.
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4:45 - 4:53And she walked forward with such calm and such clarity
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4:53 - 4:56and such total lack of fear
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4:56 - 5:00that she could walk right up to the first gun,
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5:00 - 5:04put her hand on it and lower it.
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5:09 - 5:12And no one got killed.
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5:12 - 5:16So that's what the mastery of fear can do --
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5:16 - 5:18not only faced with machine guns,
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5:18 - 5:23but if you meet a knife fight in the street.
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5:23 - 5:25But we have to practice.
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5:25 - 5:27So what about our fear?
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5:27 - 5:32I have a little mantra.
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5:32 - 5:35My fear grows fat
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5:35 - 5:37on the energy I feed it.
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5:37 - 5:40And if it grows very big
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5:40 - 5:42it probably happens.
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5:42 - 5:46So we all know the three o'clock in the morning syndrome,
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5:46 - 5:49when something you've been worrying about wakes you up --
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5:49 - 5:52I see a lot of people --
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5:52 - 5:55and for an hour you toss and turn,
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5:55 - 5:57it gets worse and worse,
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5:57 - 6:00and by four o'clock you're pinned to the pillow
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6:00 - 6:02by a monster this big.
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6:02 - 6:04The only thing to do
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6:04 - 6:06is to get up, make a cup of tea
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6:06 - 6:11and sit down with the fear like a child beside you.
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6:11 - 6:14You're the adult.
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6:14 - 6:16The fear is the child.
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6:16 - 6:17And you talk to the fear
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6:17 - 6:20and you ask it what it wants, what it needs.
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6:20 - 6:25How can this be made better?
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6:25 - 6:27How can the child feel stronger?
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6:27 - 6:28And you make a plan.
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6:28 - 6:30And you say, "Okay, now we're going back to sleep.
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6:30 - 6:34Half-past seven, we're getting up and that's what we're going to do."
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6:34 - 6:40I had one of these 3 a.m. episodes on Sunday --
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6:40 - 6:44paralyzed with fear at coming to talk to you.
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6:44 - 6:46(Laughter)
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6:46 - 6:47So I did the thing.
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6:47 - 6:51I got up, made the cup of tea, sat down with it, did it all
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6:51 - 6:55and I'm here -- still partly paralyzed, but I'm here.
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6:55 - 7:00(Applause)
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7:00 - 7:02So that's fear. What about anger?
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7:02 - 7:07Wherever there is injustice there's anger.
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7:07 - 7:10But anger is like gasoline,
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7:10 - 7:13and if you spray it around and somebody lights a match,
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7:13 - 7:15you've got an inferno.
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7:15 - 7:20But anger as an engine -- in an engine -- is powerful.
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7:20 - 7:24If we can put our anger inside an engine,
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7:24 - 7:26it can drive us forward,
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7:26 - 7:29it can get us through the dreadful moments
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7:29 - 7:33and it can give us real inner power.
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7:33 - 7:36And I learned this in my work
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7:36 - 7:38with nuclear weapon policy-makers.
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7:38 - 7:41Because at the beginning I was so outraged
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7:41 - 7:44at the dangers they were exposing us to
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7:44 - 7:50that I just wanted to argue and blame and make them wrong.
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7:50 - 7:52Totally ineffective.
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7:52 - 7:56In order to develop a dialogue for change
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7:56 - 7:58we have to deal with our anger.
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7:58 - 8:03It's okay to be angry with the thing --
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8:03 - 8:05the nuclear weapons in this case --
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8:05 - 8:09but it is hopeless to be angry with the people.
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8:09 - 8:11They are human beings just like us.
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8:11 - 8:14And they're doing what they think is best.
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8:14 - 8:18And that's the basis on which we have to talk with them.
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8:18 - 8:21So that's the third one, anger.
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8:21 - 8:22And it brings me to the crux
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8:22 - 8:25of what's going on, or what I perceive as going on,
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8:25 - 8:26in the world today,
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8:26 - 8:30which is that last century was top-down power.
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8:30 - 8:35It was still governments telling people what to do.
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8:35 - 8:37This century there's a shift.
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8:37 - 8:41It's bottom-up or grassroots power.
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8:41 - 8:44It's like mushrooms coming through concrete.
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8:44 - 8:51It's people joining up with people, as Bundy just said, miles away
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8:51 - 8:53to bring about change.
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8:53 - 8:57And Peace Direct spotted quite early on
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8:57 - 9:01that local people in areas of very hot conflict
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9:01 - 9:03know what to do.
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9:03 - 9:05They know best what to do.
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9:05 - 9:09So Peace Direct gets behind them to do that.
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9:09 - 9:11And the kind of thing they're doing
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9:11 - 9:14is demobilizing militias,
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9:14 - 9:17rebuilding economies,
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9:17 - 9:19resettling refugees,
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9:19 - 9:24even liberating child soldiers.
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9:24 - 9:27And they have to risk their lives almost every day
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9:27 - 9:30to do this.
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9:30 - 9:34And what they've realized
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9:34 - 9:39is that using violence in the situations they operate in
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9:39 - 9:44is not only less humane,
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9:44 - 9:46but it's less effective
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9:46 - 9:52than using methods that connect people with people, that rebuild.
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9:52 - 9:56And I think that the U.S. military
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9:56 - 10:03is finally beginning to get this.
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10:03 - 10:06Up to now their counter-terrorism policy
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10:06 - 10:11has been to kill insurgents at almost any cost,
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10:11 - 10:14and if civilians get in the way,
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10:14 - 10:18that's written as "collateral damage."
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10:18 - 10:25And this is so infuriating and humiliating
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10:25 - 10:27for the population of Afghanistan,
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10:27 - 10:32that it makes the recruitment for al-Qaida very easy,
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10:32 - 10:35when people are so disgusted by, for example,
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10:35 - 10:37the burning of the Koran.
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10:37 - 10:40So the training of the troops has to change.
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10:40 - 10:45And I think there are signs that it is beginning to change.
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10:45 - 10:48The British military have always been much better at this.
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10:48 - 10:54But there is one magnificent example for them to take their cue from,
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10:54 - 10:57and that's a brilliant U.S. lieutenant colonel
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10:57 - 10:59called Chris Hughes.
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10:59 - 11:03And he was leading his men down the streets of Najaf --
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11:03 - 11:05in Iraq actually --
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11:05 - 11:10and suddenly people were pouring out of the houses on either side of the road,
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11:10 - 11:15screaming, yelling, furiously angry,
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11:15 - 11:19and surrounded these very young troops who were completely terrified,
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11:19 - 11:22didn't know what was going on, couldn't speak Arabic.
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11:22 - 11:26And Chris Hughes strode into the middle of the throng
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11:26 - 11:30with his weapon above his head, pointing at the ground,
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11:30 - 11:31and he said, "Kneel."
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11:31 - 11:34And these huge soldiers
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11:34 - 11:37with their backpacks and their body armor,
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11:37 - 11:41wobbled to the ground.
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11:41 - 11:47And complete silence fell.
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11:47 - 11:50And after about two minutes,
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11:50 - 11:54everybody moved aside and went home.
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11:54 - 12:00Now that to me is wisdom in action.
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12:00 - 12:04In the moment, that's what he did.
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12:04 - 12:10And it's happening everywhere now.
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12:10 - 12:12You don't believe me?
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12:12 - 12:15Have you asked yourselves
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12:15 - 12:20why and how so many dictatorships have collapsed
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12:20 - 12:23over the last 30 years?
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12:23 - 12:28Dictatorships in Czechoslovakia, East Germany,
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12:28 - 12:32Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania,
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12:32 - 12:35Mali, Madagascar,
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12:35 - 12:39Poland, the Philippines,
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12:39 - 12:44Serbia, Slovenia, I could go on,
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12:44 - 12:49and now Tunisia and Egypt.
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12:49 - 12:53And this hasn't just happened.
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12:53 - 12:56A lot of it is due to a book
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12:56 - 13:00written by an 80-year-old man in Boston, Gene Sharp.
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13:00 - 13:04He wrote a book called "From Dictatorship to Democracy"
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13:04 - 13:10with 81 methodologies for non-violent resistance.
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13:10 - 13:12And it's been translated into 26 languages.
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13:12 - 13:14It's flown around the world.
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13:14 - 13:21And it's being used by young people and older people everywhere,
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13:21 - 13:26because it works and it's effective.
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13:26 - 13:31So this is what gives me hope --
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13:31 - 13:35not just hope, this is what makes me feel very positive right now.
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13:35 - 13:39Because finally human beings are getting it.
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13:39 - 13:46We're getting practical, doable methodologies
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13:46 - 13:48to answer my question:
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13:48 - 13:54How do we deal with a bully without becoming a thug?
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13:54 - 13:59We're using the kind of skills that I've outlined:
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13:59 - 14:02inner power -- the development of inner power -- through self-knowledge,
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14:02 - 14:06recognizing and working with our fear,
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14:06 - 14:10using anger as a fuel,
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14:10 - 14:12cooperating with others,
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14:12 - 14:14banding together with others,
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14:14 - 14:16courage,
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14:16 - 14:23and most importantly, commitment to active non-violence.
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14:23 - 14:27Now I don't just believe in non-violence.
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14:27 - 14:30I don't have to believe in it.
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14:30 - 14:34I see evidence everywhere of how it works.
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14:34 - 14:40And I see that we, ordinary people,
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14:40 - 14:46can do what Aung San Suu Kyi and Ghandi and Mandela did.
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14:46 - 14:49We can bring to an end
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14:49 - 14:54the bloodiest century that humanity has ever known.
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14:54 - 15:02And we can organize to overcome oppression
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15:02 - 15:04by opening our hearts
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15:04 - 15:10as well as strengthening this incredible resolve.
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15:10 - 15:15And this open-heartedness is exactly what I've experienced
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15:15 - 15:19in the entire organization of this gathering since I got here yesterday.
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15:19 - 15:21Thank you.
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15:21 - 15:26(Applause)
- Title:
- Fighting with non-violence
- Speaker:
- Scilla Elworthy
- Description:
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How do you deal with a bully without becoming a thug? In this wise and soulful talk, peace activist Scilla Elworthy maps out the skills we need -- as nations and individuals -- to fight extreme force without using force in return. To answer the question of why and how non-violence works, she evokes historical heroes -- Aung San Suu Kyi, Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela -- and the personal philosophies that powered their peaceful protests. (Filmed at TEDxExeter.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 15:47
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