What does the future of music look like? | Petar Kodzas | TEDxUniversityofRochester
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0:11 - 0:12I remember very clearly
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0:12 - 0:17the first time when I had
an opportunity to watch a TEDTalk. -
0:17 - 0:20It was the early stages of the Internet,
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0:20 - 0:23and I believe that after watching that,
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0:23 - 0:28Internet became important to me,
and I said, "If somebody invented this -
0:28 - 0:32in order to deliver
such a beautiful thing as TEDTalks are, -
0:32 - 0:34I think the Internet is fully justified."
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0:34 - 0:35I was right about that.
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0:36 - 0:40So, at that point,
I was also intrigued about the words, -
0:40 - 0:42the three words that defined "TED,"
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0:42 - 0:47and that's Technology,
Entertainment, and Design. -
0:48 - 0:53And if you see my presentation,
there is a little "m" -
0:53 - 0:55that I took the liberty to add:
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0:55 - 0:58"TEDm?"
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0:58 - 1:00M stands for music.
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1:00 - 1:06I believe that music is as important
as anything else we do in life, -
1:06 - 1:07if not even more.
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1:07 - 1:10And I believe that everybody
who is involved with music -
1:10 - 1:13should continue to do that
throughout their life. -
1:13 - 1:16So, my life for the past 50 years
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1:16 - 1:20was centered around teaching,
learning, performing, -
1:20 - 1:23and my experiences are reflected
in my talk today. -
1:23 - 1:26So this is not a theory,
this is not a hypothesis; -
1:26 - 1:29this is something that I experience
on a day-to-day basis. -
1:31 - 1:35So, I view music as something
that we share. -
1:35 - 1:38Music is beauty that we share.
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1:38 - 1:43And by enriching ourselves
through performance, we enrich others. -
1:43 - 1:47And I can tell you that, as a performer,
I feel enriched when I perform, -
1:47 - 1:52and also as a member of the audience,
I feel enriched when I listen to someone. -
1:52 - 1:56So my fear is that
this interactive creativity -
1:56 - 2:01is something that's diminishing
over the past 20 years or so. -
2:02 - 2:07So my plan for today is
to explore music or talk about music -
2:07 - 2:11through the lens of those three terms,
those three areas, those three words: -
2:11 - 2:15technology, entertainment, and design.
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2:16 - 2:21Obviously, technology is probably one
of the most important factors -
2:21 - 2:24that changed music in the past 50 years.
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2:24 - 2:26And without a doubt, we can say
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2:28 - 2:32that the number of people
who have access to music today, -
2:32 - 2:36any kind of music you can imagine,
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2:36 - 2:39is larger than it was ever in the past.
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2:39 - 2:45So the influence of technology
on dissemination of music is incredible. -
2:45 - 2:46And probably one of the reasons
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2:46 - 2:49why we are trying to figure out
where to go, what to do -
2:49 - 2:51is because technology is changing faster
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2:51 - 2:56than we can really adopt our knowledge
and our ability to sort of work with it. -
2:58 - 3:04So, one way that I view technology
is in the way that I look at you guys; -
3:04 - 3:05many of you here,
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3:05 - 3:10as soon as you leave this room,
you will pop the headphones, -
3:10 - 3:12and you will be going
on your own to listen to music. -
3:12 - 3:17So what that does,
it gives you beautiful sound, right, -
3:17 - 3:21but that sound is here, within your skull.
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3:21 - 3:25It doesn't even go beyond two feet
around you; it's just in your head. -
3:25 - 3:29It's like a cocoon that isolates you
from the rest of the world. -
3:30 - 3:32It's because technology
allows us to do this. -
3:32 - 3:35On the other side, because of technology,
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3:35 - 3:39we're able to bring together
5, 6 thousand of people in the arena -
3:39 - 3:41and have them be part of the concert.
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3:41 - 3:45Well, last time I attended
one of those events, -
3:46 - 3:49I ended up watching the entire event
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3:49 - 3:52on a screen that was the size of a house,
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3:52 - 3:57and the real performers were
about the size of a doll in the distance. -
3:57 - 4:00And I was asking myself,
"What would be the difference -
4:00 - 4:03if I stayed at home
and watched it on the computer -
4:03 - 4:06versus being here with a few thousand
of my closest friends?" -
4:06 - 4:09And I really believe
that we are missing a point: -
4:10 - 4:13why do you pay so much money
to sit in the first row? -
4:14 - 4:16Not because the sound is better
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4:16 - 4:18but because you want to feel
close to the action. -
4:18 - 4:22That is what's in our DNA;
that's what's in our genes. -
4:22 - 4:28We grew out of this tradition
where music was part of the ritual, -
4:28 - 4:32and we were all part of the tribe;
we all need to feel the beat. -
4:32 - 4:34We all need to feel that music, right?
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4:35 - 4:36(Foot tapping and clapping)
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4:38 - 4:40(Laughter) (Foot tapping and clapping)
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4:40 - 4:41(Audience clapping)
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4:41 - 4:44You see that?
I mean we are all together, right? -
4:44 - 4:47I never asked you for anything.
You knew what to do, right? -
4:47 - 4:49That's what music does.
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4:51 - 4:56So, what we are losing
with some aspects of technology -
4:56 - 5:00is this immediacy; this needs to be there.
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5:00 - 5:04We are not fulfilling our need
to be part of the actual act of music. -
5:04 - 5:05We're being passive.
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5:05 - 5:08We're just sitting down,
enjoying it from the distance, -
5:08 - 5:12or even just kind of closing ourselves
from the rest of the world, -
5:12 - 5:15and therefore, you know,
experiencing music just as one unit, -
5:15 - 5:18as opposed to part of the larger group.
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5:18 - 5:19So,
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5:20 - 5:23my point is that we have to be engaged,
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5:23 - 5:25not entertained.
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5:25 - 5:29So, since I used that word, let's move on
to that area of "entertainment." -
5:29 - 5:34So, yes, music should
and can be viewed as an entertainment, -
5:35 - 5:37but not solely as an entertainment.
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5:37 - 5:39There are so much more to music.
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5:39 - 5:43The range of expressions
that we can express through music -
5:43 - 5:45is way more than just entertainment.
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5:45 - 5:48When I think of the word "entertainment,"
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5:48 - 5:52my first thought is music
that's very light, easy to listen, -
5:52 - 5:55kind of inconsequential,
somewhere in the background, -
5:55 - 5:58you know, maybe you're going
up the elevator - that's entertainment. -
5:58 - 6:02I don't think of music
as an entertainment. -
6:02 - 6:04I want you to be engaged when I play.
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6:04 - 6:07Whether it's a fun tune
that makes you want to swing and hop, -
6:07 - 6:08or if it makes you cry,
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6:08 - 6:11I want you to be engaged, not entertained.
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6:12 - 6:16Entertainment is not bad,
but still, I want it to do more than that. -
6:16 - 6:21And unfortunately, music,
over the past 50 years or more, -
6:21 - 6:26has been narrowing down from this
huge plethora of feelings and emotions -
6:26 - 6:30to a very few chords
and very few musical terms -
6:30 - 6:34that we're turning over and over
for about 50 years or longer. -
6:34 - 6:40So, we can't blame,
really, just musicians for that. -
6:40 - 6:44What's the other word that comes
to your mind when we say "entertainment"? -
6:44 - 6:46"Industry," right?
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6:46 - 6:50So, at one point,
we start looking at music -
6:50 - 6:55as more of a good that can be sold
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6:55 - 6:59than we're really looking at music
as something that has artistic value. -
7:00 - 7:01So, at one point
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7:01 - 7:05when we start thinking about music
as something that should be sold, -
7:05 - 7:09of course, our goal is
to sell as many units as we can -
7:09 - 7:11because that's the only way
we can make profit, right? -
7:12 - 7:15So, what can you sell easy?
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7:16 - 7:20You can sell something that doesn't take
too much time to get absorbed. -
7:20 - 7:23So I'm going to use
a very simple example, -
7:23 - 7:24maybe not even appropriate.
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7:25 - 7:26Imagine you are hungry.
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7:27 - 7:29Somebody brings you a slice of pizza,
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7:29 - 7:35or you have this wonderful, fresh
assortment, straight from the market, -
7:35 - 7:39healthy nutritious vegetables,
and everything you need, -
7:39 - 7:42about half an hour later,
you can sit and eat; -
7:42 - 7:43you have to prepare that meal.
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7:43 - 7:45What's going to happen? We know.
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7:45 - 7:48You go for that slice of pizza
because you're hungry. -
7:48 - 7:50You're going to satisfy
your need, like this. -
7:50 - 7:52So that's what the music industry
does with us with music: -
7:52 - 7:54they give us quick satisfaction;
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7:54 - 7:57we don't have to think about that;
we don't have to analyze it; -
7:57 - 8:00it just goes in and makes us
happy and satisfied. -
8:00 - 8:03So, you know what that
is going to do to your diet, -
8:03 - 8:05if you continue eating
pizza day after day. -
8:05 - 8:07We know that's not good for us,
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8:07 - 8:10but we continue doing it
just because of the magic of marketing -
8:10 - 8:13and everything
that industry brings with it. -
8:14 - 8:20So, my point here is that,
yes, industry is good, -
8:20 - 8:23yes, music that we're listening to is fun,
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8:23 - 8:25but let's not view music
just as an entertainment, -
8:25 - 8:27just as a good that can be traded.
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8:28 - 8:33It almost seems like we're evaluating
music through non-musical means. -
8:33 - 8:35We're saying,
"How much can we sell of this?" -
8:35 - 8:37instead of saying, "How good is this?"
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8:37 - 8:42So this duality, this kind of view
of music as two different things -
8:43 - 8:44makes me think of design.
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8:44 - 8:47And seriously, when I was thinking
about those three words, -
8:47 - 8:51"design" - I was wondering, why not "art"?
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8:51 - 8:55It will make a very nice acronym:
TEA Talk, right? -
8:55 - 9:00We relax, we drink tea, we talk
as opposed to TEDTalk, you know. -
9:00 - 9:04So, unfortunately, there's design -
right, not unfortunately, but here it is. -
9:04 - 9:06So what is design?
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9:06 - 9:09What's the difference
between art and design? -
9:09 - 9:12Design serves two masters.
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9:12 - 9:17It has be aesthetically pleasing;
it also has to be functional. -
9:17 - 9:21So it seems like everything
that we're talking about multitasking -
9:21 - 9:26is also expressed in that view of art:
that we have to satisfy two things. -
9:27 - 9:31I see a lot of students here,
so I'm going to ask you one question: -
9:31 - 9:35how many of you were involved
with music in your high school? -
9:36 - 9:38Alright, very good, this is a good school.
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9:39 - 9:44How many of you were involved with,
in the back of your mind, -
9:44 - 9:47the idea, "This is going to help
my college application"? -
9:47 - 9:51Don't be shy. They can't see you,
I can see you, alright? -
9:51 - 9:52How many of you were saying,
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9:52 - 9:55"This is going to be good
on my college applications -
9:55 - 9:57that I'm playing music in the orchestra"?
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9:57 - 9:59Nobody? Alright.
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9:59 - 10:03I know, I teach students who say,
"Oh, I really should be taking music -
10:03 - 10:05because it's going to help
my college application -
10:05 - 10:08to show that I'm interested
in different things, et cetera." -
10:09 - 10:15I am very sick of that idea of trying
to prove music as something that you need -
10:16 - 10:18in order to become a good math student.
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10:18 - 10:19Through the research,
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10:19 - 10:23we know that if you study music,
if you're involved with music, -
10:23 - 10:27it will contribute to your emotional
and intellectual development as a child. -
10:28 - 10:31We knew that forever,
but now science proves that too. -
10:32 - 10:34How many times you read a novel
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10:34 - 10:37with the idea that it's going
to improve your research? -
10:37 - 10:40Maybe it will, but that's not the primary
reason why you're reading a novel. -
10:41 - 10:42When you study physics,
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10:42 - 10:45do you study physics
because you want to be a good athlete? -
10:45 - 10:46No!
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10:46 - 10:49You study physics
because of studying physics -
10:49 - 10:52and the good that you can get from that.
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10:52 - 10:54So let's make music what it is.
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10:54 - 10:57Study music for the sake of music,
for the beauty of aesthetics, -
10:57 - 11:00and for understanding
how it works with other people, -
11:00 - 11:02working, creating music
with other people and all that. -
11:02 - 11:06Let's not study music
for the sake of something else. -
11:06 - 11:09So, a few trends that I noticed
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11:09 - 11:11and that I hope I was able
to share with you -
11:11 - 11:17is that all the time, we are disengaged
and less involved with music. -
11:19 - 11:24We see music as a very simple thing,
something that's fun and entertaining, -
11:24 - 11:26and we don't try to go deeper into music.
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11:26 - 11:30And music is reduced
to a very simple set of rules, -
11:30 - 11:33as is opposed to
all the beauty that it can be. -
11:34 - 11:37And we also see, because
of the way the industry works, -
11:37 - 11:42that diversity is not as present
as we would like to have it. -
11:43 - 11:46I grew up in a country
where within 80 miles, -
11:46 - 11:51I could go and visit to hear
seven, eight different languages -
11:51 - 11:55and also hear music from seven,
eight different sorts of cultures. -
11:56 - 11:58When I arrived in the United States,
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11:58 - 12:02there was absolutely no way for me
to find any other music on the radio -
12:02 - 12:04except pop songs.
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12:04 - 12:08I couldn't hear French,
I couldn't hear anything -
12:08 - 12:12other than English language,
and I really missed that. -
12:14 - 12:17So what are we going
to do now about it? -
12:17 - 12:19What are the steps that we can take
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12:19 - 12:22in order to make music
relevant in our lives? -
12:22 - 12:27First of all, coming from my background
as a performer, as a teacher, -
12:27 - 12:31I think, as many people as we can
get involved with music is the first step. -
12:31 - 12:35So, it's very easy to be involved
with music at any age. -
12:35 - 12:37Parents and future parents,
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12:37 - 12:41you can start to bring your kids
to music classes as early as three months. -
12:41 - 12:44And then, you know what you went through
in your elementary school; -
12:44 - 12:47start playing music, seek lessons,
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12:47 - 12:49and then, when you get
to your age, college age, -
12:49 - 12:51that's probably the hardest time
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12:51 - 12:53because there's so many things
going on in your life, -
12:53 - 12:56and it's hard to find a little time
for music to be involved. -
12:56 - 12:59Well, try it.
I know it's hard, but try it. -
12:59 - 13:01If you're a professional musician,
on the other side, -
13:01 - 13:04you should actually go out
and seek the audiences; -
13:04 - 13:06don't wait for audiences to come to you.
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13:06 - 13:08Go out, go into schools,
go into libraries. -
13:08 - 13:11That's how we're going to build
our audience for tomorrow. -
13:11 - 13:16And, as educators, we need to build skills
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13:16 - 13:19for people to evaluate music on their own
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13:19 - 13:22rather than expecting
that the industry is going to give you -
13:22 - 13:25the right answer to what's the kind
of music you should listen, -
13:25 - 13:27or what is the quality in music?
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13:27 - 13:31And finally, we should try
to open our eyes and open our ears, -
13:31 - 13:36and include as many different cultures
and as many different kinds of music, -
13:36 - 13:39the many different genres
into our repertoire. -
13:39 - 13:44So, my point was not to make this
into a battle cry for my cause, -
13:44 - 13:49but I can't help it; I have to do this.
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13:49 - 13:53So I would like to leave you
with two challenges: -
13:53 - 13:59one is, if you're not involved with music,
do get involved with music. -
13:59 - 14:02It's going to make you
a happier person, no doubt. -
14:02 - 14:08If you are involved with music,
bring others with you, share that, -
14:08 - 14:11and talk about benefits and beauty
that you actually get through music. -
14:11 - 14:16And finally, I know
that within the next four hours, -
14:16 - 14:19all of you are going to go outside,
either plug in your headphones, -
14:19 - 14:22turn the radio on in your car,
turn the radio - whatever. -
14:22 - 14:29My challenge is, before you set on a dial,
or before you set on your playlist, -
14:30 - 14:32ask yourself, "Am I brave enough
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14:32 - 14:37to try something different,
to listen to a different kind of music?" -
14:37 - 14:38Thank you.
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14:38 - 14:40(Applause)
- Title:
- What does the future of music look like? | Petar Kodzas | TEDxUniversityofRochester
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Petar explores what it means to be a musician in the 21st century.
Guitarist Petar Kodzas spent last quarter of century sharing his love for music with students and audiences throughout North America and Europe. His goal as a performer, educator and administrator is to make music relevant in the life of people regardless of their age or previous experience. After serving for 19 years on the Guitar Faculty of the Eastman Community Music School, starting in July 2017 Dr. Kodzas will begin his tenure as an Associate Dean for the Eastman Community Music School.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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- English
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- Duration:
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