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Fossil fuel companies know how to stop global warming. Why don't they?

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    So here's a thought.
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    The fossil fuel industry
    knows how to stop causing global warming,
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    but they're waiting
    for somebody else to pay,
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    and no one is calling them out on it.
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    I was one of the authors
    of the 2018 IPCC report
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    on 1.5 degrees Celsius.
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    And after the report was published,
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    I gave a lot of talks, including one
    to a meeting of young engineers
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    of one of the world's major
    oil and gas companies.
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    And at the end of the talk,
    I got the inevitable question,
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    "Do you personally believe
    there's any chance
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    of us limiting global
    warming to 1.5 degrees?"
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    IPCC reports are not really
    about personal opinions,
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    so I turned the question around and said,
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    "Well, if you had to fully
    decarbonize your product,
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    that is, dispose safely and permanently
    of one ton of carbon dioxide
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    for every ton generated
    by the oil and gas you sell,
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    by 2050, which is what it would take,
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    would you be able to do so?"
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    "Would the same rules
    apply to everybody?" somebody asked,
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    meaning, of course, their competition.
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    I said, "OK, yeah, maybe they would."
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    Now, the management
    just looked at their shoes;
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    they didn't want to answer the question.
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    But the young engineers
    just shrugged and said,
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    "Yes, of course we would,
    like it's even a question."
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    So I want to talk to you
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    about what those young
    engineers know how to do:
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    decarbonize fossil fuels.
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    Not decarbonize the economy,
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    or even decarbonize their own company,
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    but decarbonize the fuels themselves,
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    and this matters
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    because it turns out to be essential
    to stopping global warming.
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    At a global level, climate change
    turns out to be surprisingly simple:
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    To stop global warming
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    we need to stop dumping carbon
    dioxide into the atmosphere.
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    And since about 85 percent
    of the carbon dioxide we currently emit
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    comes from fossil fuels and industry,
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    we need to stop fossil fuels
    from causing further global warming.
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    So how do we do that?
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    Well, it turns out
    there's really only two options.
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    The first option is,
    in effect, to ban fossil fuels.
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    That's what "absolute zero" means.
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    No one allowed to extract,
    sell, or use fossil fuels
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    anywhere in the world
    on pain of a massive fine.
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    If that sounds unlikely,
    it's because it is.
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    And even if a global ban were possible,
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    do you or I in wealthy countries in 2020
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    have any right to tell the citizens
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    of poor and emerging
    economies in the 2060s
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    not to touch their fossil fuels?
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    Some people argue
    that if we work hard enough
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    we can drive down the cost
    of renewable energy so far
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    that we won't need to ban fossil fuels,
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    the people will stop using them
    of their own accord.
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    This kind of thinking
    is dangerously optimistic.
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    For one thing, renewable energy costs
    might not go down as fast as they hope.
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    I mean, remember,
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    nuclear energy was meant to be
    too cheap to meter in the 1970s,
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    but even more importantly,
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    we've no idea how low
    fossil fuel prices might fall
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    in response to that competition.
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    There are so many uses of fossil carbon,
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    from aviation fuel to cement production,
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    it's not enough for carbon-free
    alternatives to outcompete the big ones,
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    to stop fossil fuels
    from causing further global warming,
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    carbon-free alternatives
    would need to outcompete them all.
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    So the only real alternative to stop
    fossil fuels causing global warming
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    is to decarbonize them.
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    I know that sounds odd,
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    decarbonize fossil fuels.
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    What it means is,
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    one ton of carbon dioxide has to be safely
    and permanently disposed of
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    for every ton generated
    by the continued use of fossil fuels.
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    Now, consumers can't do this,
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    so the responsibility
    has to lie with the companies
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    that are producing and selling
    the fossil fuels themselves.
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    Their engineers know how to do it.
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    In fact, they've known for decades.
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    The simplest option is to capture
    the carbon dioxide as it's generated
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    from the chimney of a power station,
    or blast furnace, or refinery.
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    You purify it, compress it,
    and re-inject it back underground.
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    If you inject it deep enough
    and into the right rock formations,
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    it stays there, just like
    the hydrocarbons it came from.
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    To stop further global warming,
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    permanent storage has to mean
    tens of thousands of years at least,
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    which is why trying to mop up
    our fossil carbon emissions
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    by planting trees can help,
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    but it can only be a temporary stopgap.
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    For some applications
    like aviation fuel, for example,
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    we can't capture
    the carbon dioxide at source,
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    so we have to recapture it,
    take it back out of the atmosphere.
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    That can be done;
    there's companies already doing it,
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    but it's more expensive.
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    And this points to the single
    most important reason
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    why recapturing and safe disposal
    of carbon dioxide
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    is not already standard practice:
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    cost.
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    It's infinitely cheaper just to dump
    carbon dioxide into the atmosphere
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    than it is to capture it
    and dispose of it safely back underground.
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    But the good news is,
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    we don't need to dispose of 100 percent
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    of the carbon dioxide we generate
    from burning fossil fuels right away.
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    Economists talk about
    cost-effective pathways,
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    by which they mean
    ways of achieving a result
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    without unfairly dumping
    too much of the cost
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    onto the next generation.
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    And a cost-effective pathway,
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    which gets us to
    decarbonizing fossil fuels,
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    100 percent carbon capture
    and storage by 2050,
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    which is what net-zero means,
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    takes us through 10 percent
    carbon capture in 2030,
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    50 percent in 2040,
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    100 percent in 2050.
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    To put that in context,
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    we are currently capturing
    and storing less than 0.1 percent.
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    So don't get me wrong,
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    decarbonizing fossil fuels
    is not going to be easy.
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    It's going to mean building
    a carbon dioxide disposal industry
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    comparable in size
    to today's oil and gas industry.
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    The only entities in the world
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    that have the engineering capability
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    and the deep pockets to do this
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    are the companies that produce
    the fossil fuels themselves.
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    We can all help by slowing
    down our use of fossil carbon
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    to buy them time to decarbonize it,
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    but they still have to get on with it.
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    Now, adding the cost
    of carbon dioxide disposal
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    will make fossil fuel-based
    products more expensive,
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    and a 10 percent storage requirement
    by 2030, for example,
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    might add a few pence
    to the cost of a liter of petrol.
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    But, unlike a tax,
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    that money is clearly being spent
    on solving the problem,
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    and of course, consumers will respond,
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    perhaps by switching
    to electric cars, for example,
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    but they won't need to be told to do so.
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    And crucially, if developing countries
    agreed to use fossil fuels
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    that have been progressively
    decarbonized in this way,
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    then they never need accept limits
    on the absolute amount that they consume,
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    which they fear
    might constrain their growth.
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    Over the past couple of years,
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    more and more people have been talking
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    about the importance
    of carbon dioxide disposal.
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    But they're still talking about it
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    as if it's to be paid for
    by philanthropy or tax breaks.
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    But why should foundations
    or the taxpayer pay to clean up
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    after a still-profitable industry?
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    No. We can decarbonize fossil fuels.
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    And if we do decarbonize fossil fuels,
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    as well as getting things like
    deforestation under control,
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    we will stop global warming.
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    And if we don't, we won't.
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    It's as simple as that.
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    But it's going to take a movement
    to make this happen.
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    So how can you help?
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    Well, it depends on who you are.
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    If you work or invest
    in the fossil fuel industry,
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    don't walk away from the problem
    by selling off your fossil fuel assets
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    to someone else
    who cares less than you do.
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    You own this problem.
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    You need to fix it.
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    Decarbonizing your portfolio
    helps no one but your conscience.
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    You must decarbonize your product.
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    If you're a politician or a civil servant,
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    you need to look at your favorite
    climate policy and ask:
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    How is it helping
    to decarbonize fossil fuels?
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    How is it helping to increase the fraction
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    of carbon dioxide
    we generate from fossil fuels
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    that is safely and
    permanently disposed of?
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    If it isn't, then it may be
    helping to slow global warming,
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    which is useful,
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    but unless you believe in that ban,
    it isn't going to stop it.
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    Finally, if you're an environmentalist,
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    you probably find the idea
    of the fossil fuel industry itself
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    playing such a central role in solving
    the climate change problem disturbing.
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    "Won't those carbon
    dioxide reservoirs leak?"
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    you'll worry,
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    "Or won't some in the industry cheat?"
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    Over the coming decades,
    there probably will be leaks,
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    and there may be cheats,
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    but those leaks and those cheats
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    will make decarbonizing
    fossil fuels harder,
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    they don't make it optional.
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    Global warming won't wait
    for the fossil fuel industry to die.
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    And just calling for it to die
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    is letting it off the hook
    from solving its own problem.
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    In these divided times,
    we need to look for help
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    and maybe even friends
    in unexpected places.
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    It's time to call on
    the fossil fuel industry
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    to help solve the problem
    their product has created.
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    Their engineers know how,
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    we just need to get the management
    to look up from their shoes.
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    Thank you.
Title:
Fossil fuel companies know how to stop global warming. Why don't they?
Speaker:
Myles Allen
Description:

The fossil fuel industry knows how to stop global warming, but they're waiting for someone else to pay, says climate science scholar Myles Allen. Instead of a total ban on carbon-emitting fuels, Allen puts forth a bold plan for oil and gas companies to progressively decarbonize themselves and sequester CO2 deep in the earth, with the aim of reaching net-zero emissions by 2050 and creating a carbon dioxide disposal industry that works for everyone.

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
10:29

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