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Home and You Are the Same Thing

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    Home and You Are the Same Thing
    (with subtitles)
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    10-09-2018
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    [Mooji] Om. Namaste. Welcome everybody.
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    Thank you for responding at such short notice.
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    I am seeing quite a few faces
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    that I didn't register coming to meet.
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    So welcome everybody, that is the main thing.
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    And I hope you are finding your place somehow,
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    if you know what I mean,
    finding your legs here in Monte Sahaja.
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    So, I am here.
    I am open to a few questions if there are any.
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    Does anyone want to ask?
    And let's see what we can get through.
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    OK, you can start there.
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    We have a [microphone]. It is coming now.
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    [Questioner 1] Thank you dear Mooji.
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    Finally, after five months I found a question.
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    [Mooji] You found it after five months?
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    [Q.1] I hope it is a good one.
    [Mooji] Well, let's see. [laughter]
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    [Q.1] The Invitation is such a gift.
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    I really feel this space.
    I really feel this wideness.
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    But every time I also feel this body.
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    I find that it is the hardest thing
    to let this go.
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    So, I tried to ask, 'Am I my hand?'
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    And I could really confirm, 'I am not my hand'.
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    I was going through my body and my brain,
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    'No, I am not my brain'. That is really true.
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    But when I come to my heart, 'Am I my heart?',
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    then it is not really so clear.
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    [Mooji] Not that heart.
    [Q.1] Not the physical heart.
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    [Q.1] But it feels like 'I', what I am,
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    it feels like it is inside here also.
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    [Mooji] Yes. Yes. Of course it is in there too.
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    [Q.1] Yes. [laughter]
    But it is like ...
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    [M.] Is it only up to the tip of your fingers
    and the top of your head?
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    [Mooji] Is it squeezed to size to fit exactly?
    [Q.1] Not really.
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    [Mooji] Do you have a sense that
    when we speak of this ...
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    How did you handle the question,
    'Does it have a form?'
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    [Q.1] It is clear that it is formless.
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    But I always feel like, 'I am still this person',
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    or I feel this connection.
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    [Mooji] There is no need
    to try to get rid of that.
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    It is such a firm conditioning that we experience
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    in our manifest existence.
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    We are also here too
    and functioning through this form,
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    but that is the conditioning
    that is taken for granted.
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    Almost nobody questions that.
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    So, if you don't question something,
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    it is assumed to be a fact,
    that it's unchallengeable.
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    So, if that was the only thing there
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    that you are just your body-mind and that is it,
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    and beyond that there is nothing at all,
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    most people would be comfortable with this.
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    That is what they believe is there anyway,
    your body identity
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    and the fact that you are perceiving.
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    You have the senses
    and something is enjoying, or perceiving,
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    or experiencing through the senses and the mind.
    It is enough.
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    Why is it not enough?
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    Why is it not enough?
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    If there were no such thing as spirit,
    or the Self, or pure consciousness,
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    why would it not be enough
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    to simply be the idea
    you have of yourself as a person,
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    which, by the way, keeps altering and changing
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    like an ever-changing self-portrait?
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    So it is not consistent.
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    And the body itself is also not consistent.
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    This is not the body your mother gave birth to.
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    So, it is also changing.
    Everything is changing.
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    So, if everything is changing
    and it is the nature of things to change,
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    everything that exists is changing.
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    What can we do about it?
    That is the way it is.
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    And it is still the way
    it seems to be for everyone.
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    You have a life, you live your life
    and at the end ...
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    Because there is an end of life,
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    as there is the beginning of life, in our minds,
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    that we begin to exist when the body is born.
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    We say that is your first day
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    and there will be a last day also.
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    And after that? There is no after that.
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    Suppose this is the case, or even during that,
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    there is nothing else
    apart from the body-mind functioning.
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    Is that so for you? Is it what you have found?
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    There would be no need for The Invitation,
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    it would not be revealing anything
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    other than what you assume already,
    which is that you are your body,
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    and the conditioning or the programming
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    that arose for this bodily expression.
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    [Q.1] I really feel ...
    Also when I was a child,
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    I could confirm that when I die
    I will still stay here.
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    So I really feel.
    But I don't know, perhaps I expect too much.
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    [Mooji] Tell me,
    what is it that you expect that's too much?
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    [Q.1] Perhaps I really expect that
    something must happen
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    when I am with It,
    something more than this.
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    [Mooji] And 'this' is what?
    'Something more than this.'
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    Just to see what we are speaking,
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    'Something more than this must happen.'
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    So presently, 'This' represents what?
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    [Q.1] I feel it is more like
    I have to relax more into it.
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    It's like something is holding ...
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    [Mooji] All your statements
    are based on something
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    that must happen to the one
    who will discover the Self.
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    There is nothing about the Self.
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    This is about the one
    who is going to have the experience,
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    as though there is someone
    who is going to have an experience of the Self
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    and think, 'Yes, finally I got it!'
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    And if it is newly gotten it can also be lost.
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    If it is something that you gain freshly
    then also you may have to feel,
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    'Aah! I have to be careful that I don't lose it!'
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    And all of this comes
    because of the conviction you have
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    in the feeling of 'I',
    which you presently take yourself to be,
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    the one who is searching for the Self.
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    And it hasn't as yet been understood that
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    the very 'I' will collapse away
    from the sense of personhood,
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    and it will be revealed that
    the 'I' is the Self itself!
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    But while we have the memory, the habits,
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    the tendencies, the desires and the attachments,
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    it will perpetuate and strengthen
    the idea of your self as a person.
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    And the person itself who appears to be searching
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    for the ultimate Truth is tripping over itself,
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    because enlightenment or freedom
    is not for the person,
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    it is from the person!
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    It seems a strange thing,
    because we have a conviction,
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    'I have searched and I have got better,
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    I am able to meditate for longer.
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    I realise that I am a bit more quiet
    than I used to be.
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    I feel more relaxed in my life,
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    but still I have to get the 'biggy'.
    Which is sort of like,
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    'Yes! To be firmly established
    in the consciousness
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    so that no more mistakes happen,
    no more suffering happens.'
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    So there is still a desire for this person
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    to attain the highest prize
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    that it does not have to suffer any more.
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    It is a very subtle thing,
    but that is not how it is, actually.
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    The beauty of The Invitation is that,
    when I say,
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    At the end of listening to The Invitation,
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    or after putting the book away, who are you?
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    What is left at the end of The Invitation?
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    What is there?
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    [Mooji] A person with a nice experience?
    [Q.1] No.
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    Well it can be, it could still be felt,
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    'Wow, that was great! Can we do it again?'
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    But authentically, if you have followed,
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    what I hope you will come to see is that
    you know you are,
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    but there are no definitions holding onto that,
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    there is no sense of any boundary or limit.
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    Whereas before, in the state of personhood,
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    we have all these references for who we are.
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    You are in a particular context
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    and you refer to that
    for the sense of who you are.
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    In the discovery of the Is-ness
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    is that same limited identity intact?
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    I am asking you generally now,
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    at the end of The Invitation,
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    the sense of the person
    as the 'me' who has done this,
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    'I hope it works. Oh, wow!
    I really come to give everything ...'
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    Is that the one who survives The Invitation,
    and at the end says,
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    'Wow, I am really glad I experienced this'?
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    Truthfully, is that what is there? Or ...
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    Because in spite of that recognition
    of the indescribable-ness
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    of what is discovered,
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    it doesn't mean that the person
    is totally washed out.
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    From that moment, of course,
    it is a discovering moment
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    and so it can feel like,
    'Wow! This is amazing!'
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    But the sense of the person
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    cannot stand the power of the seeing
    in that moment,
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    so it retreats, or it backs away,
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    but gradually it comes back
    if it is not yet burnt up.
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    And burning up would mean that
    you are sufficiently drawn,
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    through your attention,
    to be with your discovery
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    and that there isn't really any interest
    to log in to the mind-world,
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    or to the person's life expression so much.
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    The person is not an offense,
    it is just a limitation.
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    It is also consciousness, but it is a limitation
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    which you only discover
    as you are discovering your unlimitedness.
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    Then you see the limitations of personhood.
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    And for a while the mind will oscillate.
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    Somehow the attention will go
    into the state of purity and harmony
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    and you will feel totally
    in your perfect element.
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    But it will swing back again
    into the old regime of identity
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    and again you will feel,
    'Oh my God, no, I didn't get it.
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    I am lost.
    Oh my gosh, how can I get out of this?'
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    And it will swing again and you will feel,
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    'Hallelujah! Oh, how could I doubt this?
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    How could I doubt it? It is so perfect. Perfect.
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    Oh, I got it, of course, it doesn't fade!
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    It doesn't fade! Mooji, it doesn't fade!'
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    And it swings again, 'Oh my God!
    When is this ever going to be over?'
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    Until at a certain point, something just clicks,
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    that both those extremes are themselves observed
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    from a place that is not swinging.
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    This is the natural,
    if you want to say, development,
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    or maturing that takes place.
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    But one just simply sticks with it.
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    You discover something,
    then the mind comes and says,
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    'What do I do with it? How do I use this?
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    How can I stay here? How can I not lose it?'
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    As though it possesses it.
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    And you have got to be so vigilant
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    to match the cunning-ness of the mind.
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    But I am encouraging you that you are far greater
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    than the capacity of your mind to delude you.
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    You can exist without
    this psychological voice in your head,
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    but it cannot exist without you!
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    So you have to judge which is the better,
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    because for a while you will come to see that
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    this mind behaviour, this conditioning,
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    is a bit like a parasite that lives on what?
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    On the pure Self? Not really.
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    On the idea you have of yourself.
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    We are not yet established in, first,
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    the conviction that
    you are just the consciousness.
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    That's not a belief.
    When I say conviction it is beyond belief,
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    it is not yet your confirmed
    experiential understanding
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    that you are the consciousness.
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    It still feels like it is ahead
    and is something to strive for.
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    So while that gap is still open,
    it is like you are open for business
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    and the mind will keep coming in.
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    Now, I have an overview of this,
    which is quite good I feel,
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    because even people who feel that,
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    'But my mind is killing me.
    It is just so persistent!
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    It never gives up. It doesn't go on holiday ...'
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    The mind does its work very well.
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    How can you beat it?
    This feeling comes like this.
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    And I say,
    First, don't fight it! Don't fight it.
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    Who is the mind speaking to?
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    Who is the mind speaking to?
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    If we take an example
    of a master like Jesus Christ,
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    or the Holy Prophet, or Lord Rama,
    or Lord Krishna,
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    how would the mind speak to them?
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    We know and we have heard
    that in the temptation of Christ
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    and also of the Buddha,
    in very similar kinds of stories,
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    that at the beginning,
    just before their ministry began,
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    they underwent a tremendous interrogation
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    and attack from the mind,
    in the form of the temptations of Christ etc.
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    How can you be tempted
    if you are not tempt-able?
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    So at some point,
    something must have been there,
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    a play, a scenario had to be played out
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    to actively perceive the drama,
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    the seeming enemy, so to speak, to really feel it
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    and to engage with it with clear-sightedness
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    and to overcome
    its psychological influence over you.
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    Only then could his ministry begin.
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    And it will come in whatever form
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    that the consciousness wearing this body
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    needs to experience certain things.
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    There are certain characteristics,
    certain tendencies,
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    or hidden latent tendencies,
    sometimes called vasanas, or samskaras,
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    that when they flare up,
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    they can appear to hold the beingness hostage.
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    Do you follow what I am speaking?
    So when they come up,
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    it is the time when you are
    most likely to identify personally,
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    because of these forces.
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    So when they come it is as though
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    you are experiencing at your weakest.
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    But sometimes,
    just at the point of your weakest, weakest,
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    on the flip side is your greatest strength,
    but it is not recognised.
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    Sometimes you have to almost lose everything
    that you think you have
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    to find that which is unpossessable,
    to find that.
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    So, these plays are going on so intricately,
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    so diverse is that play,
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    and each one has their own
    forty days and forty nights.
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    Well, now it's not forty days and forty nights,
    nobody has the time!
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    We are so impatient!
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    Even the unemployed don't have time
    for all this stuff.
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    So, consciousness has re-adapted itself
    for modern life.
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    It is not that you can purchase it
    over the counter,
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    but perhaps it feels much more accessible
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    that people can go online even to look up things
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    and to be with it in such a consistent way.
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    You can almost have your own teacher
    speaking to you every day.
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    Whereas in times past,
    that may not have been there,
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    the access that a student may have now.
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    [Q.1] It is like, when I was here for three months
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    in MSB (Mooji Sangha Bhavan),
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    and during that time here
    I felt so emerged in this. Emerged?
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    [Mooji] Immersed, maybe.
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    [Q.1] And there was no struggling,
    there was no burning.
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    I just felt really good!
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    I just felt, 'Is it too good?,
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    as if there must be a problem to grow.
    I don't know.
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    Then I went back home
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    and there I had situations
    that were really complicated,
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    but I was really good with the situations.
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    I really could see that interest in the person
    is really ...
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    [Mooji] Weak?
    [Q.1] Weak, yes.
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    [Q.1] But it was so strange
    how the old habits came,
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    old addictions came up in this time.
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    I began to smoke again, after a long time,
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    only for this duration, in this break.
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    I really watched like,
    'Hey, what am I doing here?'
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    I felt like something in me was so,
    how to say ...
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    Can you help me? Someone? German?
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    [Voice from sangha] Avoid.
    [Q.1] Avoiding.
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    And I was watching so much TV
    until late in the night.
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    But what was good was that
    I could still feel, it is here.
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    [Mooji] It is happening all the time like this,
    it is good.
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    The identity feels, 'I have been away now.
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    Wow! I have really soaked up
    all this spirituality.'
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    And you go back home
    and it starts to change colour.
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    Let's understand,
    you are not at the same place each time,
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    if you are in the state of personhood,
    you are not at the same place.
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    You may be in a place more advanced than that.
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    There are other things I may say about this.
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    You may be at a stage more advanced than that,
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    but which feels more chaotic.
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    You may feel that your life is crashing,
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    or it is a terrible thing;
    but it may be a good thing.
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    Maybe something needs to happen, to again ...
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    Something may have to deconstruct
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    and then appear to reconstruct,
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    or maybe not reconstruct,
    but to come in another way.
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    So, don't rely on the mind's ability
    to assess this.
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    Because sometimes you think,
    'I was better before I came here.
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    My first time here was so great.
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    When I went back
    it was like walking through the Red Sea,
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    everything was happening like this.
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    And then the big crash happened!'
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    Sometimes it could be many different reasons.
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    It could be that you begin to develop
    a kind of arrogance.
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    You think, 'I am so special now.
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    I can think of things and they happen.'
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    So, we never know how life comes,
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    crashes your excitement,
    and brings in space for greater humility,
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    which puts you back on the track again.
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    It could be so many different things.
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    The reading that comes from our mind
    is not reliable about this.
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    Sometimes you feel terrible
    and then you have to be reminded
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    that you are experiencing
    a kind of psychic detox.
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    Something is burping out,
    you feel, 'Oh, this is not what I expected.
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    I thought I was going to find peace.
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    I am all in pieces. I don't know what to do.'
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    You feel terrible, 'Oh my God.
    Maybe I made a mistake to come here.'
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    But you are detoxing
    and all this stuff is coming up
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    and it doesn't feel good.
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    If you have a lot of nastiness inside
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    and you have to vomit it out,
    it is not a nice feeling.
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    But when it's out [mimics vomiting]
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    the after-vomit state is very nice, isn't it?
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    Sometimes these things come up
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    and they are triggered just by the atmosphere
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    and the spiritual intensity of being
    in a place like Monte Sahaja.
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    It comes up very strong
    and you have to be reminded that,
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    'It is fine. Don't worry.
    You are under grace.
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    It is OK, it is just burping out
    some trapped energies,
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    or some misunderstandings are being burnt.'
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    And sometimes this burning
    is even greater than sadhana.
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    Sadhana means spiritual practice,
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    because your inner state is like
    you are in the fire.
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    You feel sick,
    you don't want to speak to anybody,
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    but you are under grace.
    Somehow it gets burnt up.
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    [Q.1] Last year I had a really burning year,
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    I was crying day and night.
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    I was really burning.
    My whole life was changed.
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    Everything is not on the same stone.
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    But at the moment I don't feel any burning
    and I feel like,
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    'Should I burn more than that?'
    It is like I feel too comfortable.
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    [Mooji] This 'I' ...
    I go straight to the 'I' all the time.
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    Who is speaking?
    Who is the reporter of this story?
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    Has it really been baptised
    in the heart of consciousness?
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    Is it consciousness speaking?
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    Or is it a cocktail of consciousness
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    and very unconscious personhood speaking?
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    And it is almost always that the person
    is still there, it has survived.
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    It has survived.
    You are not meant to come here and survive!
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    [Q.1] I don't want to.
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    [Mooji] Someone came here
    and wrote, and sent me a book.
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    In the book she wrote,
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    'I have been so fortunate in my life
    to have sat with many masters.
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    I have sat with seven masters.'
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    I said, But how the hell
    did you survive seven masters?
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    Even one! You shouldn't survive even one master!
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    To come and say,
    'Yes, I sat with seven masters'.
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    And what happened to you?
    Is your ego still there?
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    What happened?
    Were you sitting in the back row?
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    Were you hiding in the toilet? Where were you?
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    Because if you come with that earnestness,
    something must happen to you!
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    You should not survive.
    'You' meaning the egoic identity
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    which is basically a mask
    worn over your true Self.
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    You are living with this mask.
    You look in the mirror, you see the mask,
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    you put make-up on your mask.
    We are so proud of our mask.
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    We don't even know it is a mask.
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    When you start to see it is a mask,
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    you try to take it off,
    you see how stuck it can feel,
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    still you know, that it is not what I am.
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    And how can we remove this mask?
    Not by force.
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    By remembering through that inner experience
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    that has been shown to you,
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    and recognising that which cannot be seen
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    just by the eyes in your head.
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    You see in a deeper way.
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    The Invitation is a great friend to everyone,
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    because it helps you to discard,
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    to leave aside the usual engagements
    and distractions
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    and see how easy it becomes
    to come back into that recognition,
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    to that field of being in which things are seen
    with greater clarity,
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    where the unseeable is seen.
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    [Mooji] As long as we are under
    the indoctrination of the manifest life,
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    where we are predominantly feeling that,
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    'I am this person growing in personhood
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    and getting nearer and nearer to the goal',
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    to that extent, the delusion persists in us.
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    All this you must overcome.
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    And I don't see it as a big difficulty actually.
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    If there's a difficulty,
    it is to do with our loyalty to our identity.
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    And if you still have a craving,
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    a carnal craving for the things of this world,
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    then you will not be willing to give them up
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    by the strength of the attachments also,
    because they will come up.
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    And in meditation, in guided meditation,
    or in satsang,
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    you will feel where the attachments
    are feeling tight.
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    And there must be a willingness to ...
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    It is not the things themselves ...
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    The thing is not a problem,
    the issue is your relationship to it
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    and the importance you give it.
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    Because the importance you give it
    is the value you give to these things.
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    And the value you give it
    will come up when it is time to go beyond it,
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    you will want to carry it with you.
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    And if there were a choice,
    'You come single [without it], or you stay',
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    you probably would end up staying,
    because in those moments
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    your attachments will feel like it is Christmas.
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    You won't want to leave,
    'Uh, maybe later I will come'. You will do this.
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    Don't plan your route into freedom!
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    Just come and be present!
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    Just come. Just show up.
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    You don't have to have any strategies at all.
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    Have no strategies at all!
    Don't plan any escape route.
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    Just come with the desire in your heart,
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    'I am just so drawn to be free.
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    I can't bear the burden
    of my egoic identity any more.'
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    Because that is also progress
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    that you are not able to stand yourself!
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    Not even to understand yourself,
    you can't stand him at a certain point.
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    This is great progress in fact,
    because it means that
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    you are not able to sustain the egoic identity,
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    it becomes unbearable for you.
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    That is also a mark of spiritual maturity,
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    because while it seems to hide
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    in the shadows of our subconscious,
    you don't detect it,
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    and you can live for such a long time
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    under the impression that you are this person
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    and you fight for king and country ...
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    But as you begin to recognise
    and experience the truth of yourself,
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    your aggressiveness falls away.
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    A calmness replaces that,
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    a peace and a wisdom begin to emerge in you,
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    a sense of spaciousness.
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    You don't feel threatened,
    or claustrophobic in your life.
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    Everything is feeling more expansive.
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    But ultimately, the sense of expansiveness
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    is also not that important,
    because the Self is infinite.
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    Where can the infinite expand to?
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    Something is just so present.
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    Your beingness, your life is expressing
    out of this vastness.
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    This is just ...
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    It is like an infinitely faceted diamond,
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    but each facet has the total diamond behind it.
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    Each life is like one facet
    of this infinitely faceted diamond.
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    No life is just a token life.
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    Everything has its part to play
    in the great drama, until you wake up.
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    Even after waking up
    your dynamic expression still continues,
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    even more so, to bear beautiful fruit.
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    But you must come
    to the ultimate recognition of yourself,
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    not a dualistic recognition,
    but a non-phenomenal recognition.
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    Meaning that, how can one thing ...
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    It is like, how can one hand clap?
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    How can one thing recognise itself?
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    I gave an example ...
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    I have been giving this example
    for a very long time.
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    A sharp knife, however sharp,
    can cut so many things,
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    but it cannot cut itself. Why?
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    Or the eyes can see so many forms,
    but they cannot see themselves.
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    Or a scale that can weigh so many objects,
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    but it cannot weigh itself. Why?
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    Because it cannot be other than itself.
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    It is so one, it cannot perceive itself.
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    We are like that. Our true Self is one.
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    You cannot see your Self.
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    Whatever you are seeing,
    that you take to be yourself, is only imagination.
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    It is only the surface.
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    You are seeing from your Self.
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    All these things,
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    I don't have any special practice
    for each little thing.
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    You sit in the great pool
    and you are wet all over.
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    There's not one side of the water to wet the front
    and one to wet the back.
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    You sit in the pool of that
    and you are immersed all over.
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    So, I am speaking like this,
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    that even if I speak to only one of you,
    I am speaking to everybody!
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    Your approach in satsang,
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    if you come with that earnestness,
    it will be satisfied.
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    It has to be.
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    If you try to protect your identity,
    it will persist.
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    But if you come with this urge that,
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    'I am just a sponge;
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    my heart tells me to let go
    and to soak up everything',
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    then come like that.
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    [Q.1] In the last satsang
    when you asked this question,
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    'What if this day is your last day',
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    then the burning was really coming strong,
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    but afterwards it went again.
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    [Mooji] If this day were your last day,
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    actually,
    it is coming to the last five minutes or so ...
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    So if this were your last opportunity,
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    now please stay with the question
    I am going to ask you,
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    if it really were like that
    and there is a countdown,
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    the clock is ticking,
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    what can you do with five minutes?
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    What can you do with five minutes,
    in this regard?
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    Four minutes?
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    Three minutes?
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    Two minutes?
    What can you achieve in two minutes?
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    In one minute? In thirty seconds?
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    In ten seconds, what can you achieve?
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    If you are Usain Bolt,
    maybe you can break another record.
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    But what can you really achieve
    of what we are speaking about?
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    And perhaps this type of challenge
    is so powerful,
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    because you just have to give up
    on physical action.
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    You cannot do any physical action
    to be what you are.
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    It doesn't work like that.
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    What technique do you require? None.
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    So I would say, just drop all of that!
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    Just drop all of that,
    because it is not going to work for you.
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    Suppose you could just keep dropping everything!
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    Just drop it, meaning, don't engage in anything.
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    Don't combine your natural sense of self
    with anything,
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    even with an angel. Just drop everything!
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    You can do it right now also.
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    Will it take you ten seconds to drop everything?
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    Just be totally empty.
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    And yet not waiting. Be totally empty.
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    [Mooji] Drop even the one who drops.
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    [Mooji] Really do it!
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    And speak from there where you are.
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    Are you in time?
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    No. You have to do it!
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    If you drop all your associations,
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    even the most precious thing for you
    right now, in ten seconds.
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    Maybe some of you are travelling away from home,
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    if you had ten minutes, ten seconds,
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    there isn't time to even make a proper phone call
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    to say, 'Bye, bye, darling. I am going.'
    Can you bear that?
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    So, everything is going.
    You drop everything then.
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    Drop every association,
    every aspiration, everything.
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    If you drop right now,
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    what remains that cannot be dropped?
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    Because if you drop everything, you still are!
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    Can you drop you?
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    I am not talking about your person or memory,
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    or your memory of the experiences you had.
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    I am not talking about the past,
    drop that, that's already gone anyway!
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    It is only perpetuated in you,
    because of memory and sentiment.
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    It's gone, that is why it is called past.
    It's gone.
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    So drop, leave everything.
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    And don't call this any technique.
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    Just leave everything and report to me from here.
    What is here?
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    And did you create this, whatever is left,
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    that is not touched by your effort,
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    is unaffected by whatever you call your life?
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    Try it and see.
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    And is it an attainment? Whose attainment?
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    Because if you drop everything,
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    even the potential achiever
    of dropping something is gone.
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    So what remains?
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    I am not asking your head.
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    So that which remains, is it a state of mind?
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    What remains? Is it a state of mind?
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    [Sangha] No.
    [Mooji] No!
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    Does it have a birthday, or a star sign?
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    Does it have ruling planets?
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    That is your Self!
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    This is our play.
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    This is our play, this and this, and this,
  • 39:38 - 39:42
    all the things you value.
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    Largely it is gone, sustained only by memory.
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    Can you bring back a sample of yesterday
    to this moment? It is all gone.
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    And luckily, thank God you can say
    that things pass,
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    that they pass without you having to
    put them away, they pass.
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    Everything passes. Except one thing.
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    Find what that thing is that doesn't pass
  • 40:19 - 40:23
    and you have won your freedom!
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    Discover that which does not pass,
  • 40:31 - 40:38
    that is not on the radar of time.
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    And where is it? Where is it located?
  • 40:41 - 40:44
    Where is it, that which I speak of?
  • 40:44 - 40:48
    Where precisely is it?
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    All your talk about this and that,
    and your meditations,
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    is just in the theatre of consciousness,
    momentary and fleeting.
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    Discover that which carries no story, no history.
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    How far will you have to go?
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    And when your first step is taken,
    in what direction will you go?
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    So, this has to be something
    that really bites into your consciousness,
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    so much so, that you have to go
    and sit down with it
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    and just marinate your attention in that
    and be with that,
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    because that is your good fortune today!
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    As you begin to discover this
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    you will not have room for anything else
    for the moment.
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    Marinate in it.
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    It will absorb your duality.
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    There is no need to be afraid
    of these words that I tell you.
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    And thereafter when you return
    to natural functioning,
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    you will see that your actions
    are wind-assisted, in fact.
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    Something is ...
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    Your discernment will be such that,
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    previously expressed actions and intentions,
  • 42:26 - 42:32
    which were a waste of time
    and hemorrhaging your attention, will stop.
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    You would not be living life. You are life!
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    And the flow of it is perceived
    within your own being.
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    These are things that I cannot put down
    in some textbook.
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    It doesn't need to be.
    You don't need to remember any little part,
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    unless it is something that is so quintessential
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    that when you remember this,
    everything is captured in it.
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    Though I seemed to have focused on you,
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    I am speaking to all of you about it.
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    We don't need to have a separate answer.
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    I don't think there is time for this now.
    But is it worth it or not?
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    [Sangha] Yes.
    [Q.1] Thank you so much.
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    [Mooji] Yes, it's totally worth it,
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    because we can, for a time,
    be living in ignorance of our true nature,
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    and largely we seem to be doing this,
    because we can.
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    Even the ego, being consciousness, has a life,
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    and there is sweetness and bitterness,
  • 43:48 - 43:52
    and it is enough to feel,
    'It is not bad! I love being me.'
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    And you are perfectly entitled to that,
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    free to be free, and free to be bound.
    It is something like this.
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    And there is no criticism or cynicism about it.
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    But as soon as, by the grace of life
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    in whatever means or methods it comes to you,
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    your attention is turned,
    or an urge grows in you to go deeper,
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    life comes to satisfy that.
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    Something may come from inside you,
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    a tendency that we all have inherited somehow,
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    to work against your own freedom.
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    An energy is inside that is working
    against this freedom,
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    but only so long as you sustain or retain
    the sense of personhood.
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    As soon as that grip is broken,
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    there are no opponents to freedom in you.
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    The very ego that tries to protect itself,
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    and that you think you are protecting,
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    the thing you are trying to hold onto
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    is the very thing you should transcend and leave.
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    But gradually we come
    into the recognition of that.
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    And also you are so much in the arms of grace.
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    Don't think,
    'Oh, me and my little strength can't do it'.
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    It is true, you and your little strength
    can't do it. [laughter]
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    Rumi says, 'The one who brought me here,
    must take me home'.
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    Who is the one who brought you here?
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    That grace is calling you home.
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    And where is home? In which direction is home?
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    You and home are the same thing!
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    You and home are the same thing.
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    Until you discover this, your home will be bricks,
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    or boards, or something. It will be a place.
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    And life, God also,
    is using all our modern things
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    to teach us great metaphors.
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    Like once upon a time,
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    your address had to be made out of some bricks
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    and had a door and windows.
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    Now, your address can be the internet.
    You can have an email address.
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    It says, 'An address doesn't have to be
    something like that'.
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    So where is your address? This is your address.
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    If you see this body, I am quite likely in it.
    [laughter]
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    That is your address!
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    When you are coming near, and then on from this,
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    you will find something that
    you cannot speak about.
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    You cannot speak about it.
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    And it will not make you a cripple in this world!
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    Sometimes the mind itself plays this game,
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    'If you go further
    you are going to lose everything.
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    You are going to be a beggar on the street.
    Nobody will recognise you.
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    You are going to be alone,
    because who wants to marry a Buddha ...'
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    And it catches many people.
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    But freedom is not restricted in that way.
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    The outer things are not our opponents.
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    All this life is so magnificent
    in its expression.
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    It is not our natural enemy.
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    In fact, we see and derive great joy
    from our perceiving of it.
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    The enemy is inside,
    it's our way of thinking for a while,
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    and, chiefly, personal identity.
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    Everything boils down to this: mistaken identity,
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    that leaves you only in the mode of personhood.
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    And the whole world is suffering
    from person-poison,
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    too much person, and not presence.
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    So, I've got to go.
    And is it enough for the moment?
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    [Sangha] Yes.
    [Mooji] Thank you.
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    [inaudible voice in sangha]
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    [Mooji] Sure! Come, come.
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    [Mooji] Grazie, grazie. (Thank you in Italian)
    It is your birthday too?
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    OK, happy birthday!
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    [Questioner 2 speaks in Italian]
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    [M.] Si, benvenuto. (You're welcome in Italian)
    [laughter]
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Title:
Home and You Are the Same Thing
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Video Language:
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